I do love when this happens. I could probably think of more examples if I took the time, but the first that immediately springs to mind is Buffy the Vampire Slayer pulling a rocket launcher on a vampire.
Well, if it's a shaped explosion round, aka HEAT, then it 'forges' a jet of molten copper upon detonation, that is what 'cuts' though armor plate. Pedantic, yes. Technically not forged by human hands, also yes.
Yeah, he was sick from drinking the local water, and was trying not to shit his pants from the diarrhea. He was also running an awful fever; Indy looks so sweaty in this scene because Harrison was running like a 103 fever.
Just had the same thought. I don't think I've watched it since I was a kid and saw it in the theater. When I stumble on an old movie like this, I always like to check who was in it. It's fun to see who was in old stuff who really hit it big.
Wizards came out in February 1977. Three months before Star Wars: A New Hope came out. Mark Hamill actually voiced one of the fairies in Wizards! I'm kind of geeking out a little bit.
Literally a plot point in Dresden Files. MC is a wizard who lives in Chicago doing private eye work. Regularly carries a blasting rod (wand) and a revolver. One big wizard gets taken out by a sniper rifle fired by a demon. He has semi-regular backup from non magical friends who are just well armed.
A regular human mafioso who is just so good at being a conniving and ruthless piece of shit that he can hold his own with the magic folk is a recurring character. Your spells don't mean too much if four goons get the drop on you with a metal pipe when you weren't prepared.
What makes dresden files so good is that dresden knows this, and he abuses the hell out of that. Time and time again he gets the jump of his enemies because he thinks outside of the box like that haha.
And same for marcone, he knows that with the right bullets and tools, common items can hurt the supernatural. Its also what imo makes the supernatural in the series so real, they are extremely powerful, should be feared but all of them have a weakness. You just need to know it. And like dresden said so much, knowledge is power!
I mean, the dude is just efficient. He shot the girl who was basically powerless (being the target host for a godlike being is not a power). Using the right tool for the job really.
Everyone is a magician, except for Mashle who just hits stuff really fucking hard. And most wizards aren’t used to getting hit by a dude who can bench press a house.
Especially if there exist loads of versions of the joke that were made pre-AI. Who hasn't seen the gandalf with an AK-47 meme that was made 20 years ago?
Something about the big bad in the first MHA movie whipping out a gun and shooting somebody just hit hard. Like this is a world where people can whip out black holes and use their skin to create anything they want, yet a pistol made everyone stop immediately and collectively shit themselves.
The fictional world I’m building is at an interesting point. For decades, a few people have held most of the magical power and control, thus dominating entire battlefields. But firearms have just been refined to precision, meaning a good sniper can take down one of these mages in a surprise shot in one go. No sudden “spider sense” escape buttons.
Writing, or rather written, a book, but it’s hard to find interested literary agents. So, I’m working on a complicated plan to leverage an audience for self publishing.
I suppose I’m implying such an assassination is how the book opens, but it mostly just translates to a shift in the way warfare is conducted - fewer battle lines, more war of information.
One of my school friends was close to Sarah Maas. I hung out with her a few times, and we played online games together for years. The secret to her success was her parents' money; they poured funding into her editing and publishing, and so she became a "self-made" literary success. I have mixed feelings about her.
I'd be curious about your work if you're willing to share an excerpt? Lemmy might be a suitable test audience if you're into it
I like how we can see into the character's head. We get his senses (darkness and snowflakes from his vision, blood on his hands from touch) and his memories (the priest). It makes him very human (Klyskin?). I dig it
I really appreciate that there's one character in Demon Hunter that has a gun. It works, and is incredibly effective... against lower-level demons. The world-ending upper-rank variety need at least a decapitation, and half the time, a secondary decapitation or dismemberment of some kind. Simply asploding demon parts with one or two shotgun slugs is not enough in that case.
As a storytelling device, it really grounds the entire power-system in both the supernatural and super-human. We get periodically reminded that a gun absolutely holds its own in raw firepower, but the situation is just a bit more of a problem than it can handle.
My protagonist has the ability to wield a franction (a word for a small amount in my verse) of the vitael energies of potential offspring ("poffspring") they decide not to have, so like if they date someone of the opposite sex and things are going well and they're thinking of moving in together, and then they ghost them my protag gets the power of the potential unborn babies (well some of it). They have made enemies of pretty much everyone in their hammelit (small village in my world), but have grown that much stronger with each jilted partner.
Anyway, they pulled this with the shire riff's (reeve of a shire in my lore) daughter and got shot with a pepper shot blunderbuss and exiled from town, but they are able to carry approx a handful of extra sticks using the strength from their poffspring, which they use to heat the abandoned hut they live in upwind of the hammelit's middens.
Maybe you can do that they will get a "bad power" that is more a problem than something useful because the children had that power and so that would explain why no one ever wanted to adopt him
Ooo yeah like a curse and at first you think it's the children's fault, but then at the halfway point you find out they're the victims. Would also provide some good tension since it's the only way for the protag to get more power after the pepper shot removed their ability to make more poffspring.
I mean I was joking in my original comment, but you could tweak it a bit and maybe obscure some of the details to make the story halfway evocative.
I was thinking that this was a relatively bullshit example, but the movie "The One" featuring Jet Li makes this an awesome example. On it's face the impacts of one person likely aren't even enough for one person to notice, but if you had someone with the knowledge and means to take advantage of this they could be incredibly powerful.
“If you hold a gun and I hold a gun, we can talk about the law. If you hold a knife and I hold a knife, we can talk about rules. If you come empty-handed, and I come empty-handed, we can talk about reason. But if you hold a gun and I only have a knife, then the truth lies in your hand. If you have a gun and I have nothing, then what you hold in your hands isn’t just a weapon, it's my life."
Sometimes they did. It's not like nobody got shot in the Rwandan genocide. Lots of people did, and when it happened, it went like it almost always does, the people with guns killed a bunch of people with impunity unless the people they were shooting at also happened to have guns.
I'm hearing a lot of things that are true but I'm getting confused as to why they were said. Like what does the Rwandan genocide have to do with the post other than the almost unnerving lack of firearms involved? Ik you aren't the one who brought it up but just had to ask.
The Rwanda genocide wasn’t carried out with guns as the primary weapon. It was machetes and fire.
It was volumes of people, primarily. An oppressed underclass poisoned with fascist ideology who overwhelmed they're wealthier tribal neighbors not unlike how the French ended up butchering their aristocracy at the end of the 18th century.
Had the Tutsis been more heavily armed, they might have given as well as they took.
This is only true for exactly as long as the weapons are held, though. Unless you plan on holding someone at weapons -point for life, the power eventually reverts.
I think it's the 'equalizer' aspect. A knight would have to train for years to be proficient in swordplay, horse riding, and usage of a lance. Longbowman had to train from childhood. A wizard has to study magic for years.
A peasant could pick up a gun and theoretically kill any of them.
Americans in general are also more familiar with guns than swords or bows, so the "effectiveness" is more intuitive for our minds.
With guns, the mightiest general can still be killed by a lucky private. In most fantasy worlds, that would be near impossible for a basic untrained person to be a threat to a skilled warrior or mage.
And you are right, in the US there are an insane amount of gun deaths from murder, suicides, and accidents. Too many of us treat them like toys or emotional support Glocks, use them to be their masculinity.
Yes, but also that doesn't really mean anything in relation to what's being talked about. Americans have more exposure to firearms on average I'm sure the folks of Svalbard would have a similar thing going on, same with basically any country with mandatory enlistment. Whoopty fucken doo folks can be controlled with words this observation was first made in writing in the fucking early bronze age when mammoths were still extent.
The Nazis built the gas chambers because shooting crowds of women and children was giving their low end grunts PTSD, even the hardcore SS. They needed something where you didn't have to watch them die.
I'm afraid I have to ban you. Your original comment is hateful and toxic towards a particular group of people, millions of whom are innocent. My users deserve better than to be threatened and insulted by the likes of you.
You'll be left with this:
many Americans campaign for gun control, meaning we want fewer guns available
citizens of countries other than the USA think guns are powerful
wishing nuking or genocide on anyone is evil
there's so much wrong with your statement that I don't have time today to scrutinize it all. I wish you the best of luck in your personal growth journey. Goodbye.
I do love when this happens. I could probably think of more examples if I took the time, but the first that immediately springs to mind is Buffy the Vampire Slayer pulling a rocket launcher on a vampire.
Every weapon is assebled, even the forged ones.
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kunai knives i guess too
It's kind of assembled from pig iron?
Well, if it's a shaped explosion round, aka HEAT, then it 'forges' a jet of molten copper upon detonation, that is what 'cuts' though armor plate. Pedantic, yes. Technically not forged by human hands, also yes.
I love BtVS, but bruh she just fired an AT4 at a demon inside a mall. Backblast Whedon wtf. The wall is literally right behind her.
Wasn’t that supposed to be a big fight scene but Harrison Ford was sick? So they audibled to this?
That's the story anyways... That they repeated consistently throughout many, many interviews
Yeah, he was sick from drinking the local water, and was trying not to shit his pants from the diarrhea. He was also running an awful fever; Indy looks so sweaty in this scene because Harrison was running like a 103 fever.
Watching that clip he looks sick
*adlibbedAudible is a term for changing from a designed play to a new one on the fly.
Oh, TIL.
If I understood that correctly, a game play, as a specific term for US Football. And gets that name by people screaming the new play.
Audible is something you can hear.
oh right, that would explain why so many people in this thread, including me, had no idea what they were on about.
He had the shits iirc
Yeah, this is the first / most widely known instance of this trope that I am aware of, call it the Indiana Jones manuever maybe?
i should rewatch wizards 1977
Just had the same thought. I don't think I've watched it since I was a kid and saw it in the theater. When I stumble on an old movie like this, I always like to check who was in it. It's fun to see who was in old stuff who really hit it big.
Wizards came out in February 1977. Three months before Star Wars: A New Hope came out. Mark Hamill actually voiced one of the fairies in Wizards! I'm kind of geeking out a little bit.
love him as luke but he's always shined as a voice actor. have you seen him in the venture bros? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=49P3aj4wbz8
Immediately thought of this because of It's Just Cinema's series on weird 70/80/90s animated films.
Literally a plot point in Dresden Files. MC is a wizard who lives in Chicago doing private eye work. Regularly carries a blasting rod (wand) and a revolver. One big wizard gets taken out by a sniper rifle fired by a demon. He has semi-regular backup from non magical friends who are just well armed.
A regular human mafioso who is just so good at being a conniving and ruthless piece of shit that he can hold his own with the magic folk is a recurring character. Your spells don't mean too much if four goons get the drop on you with a metal pipe when you weren't prepared.
What makes dresden files so good is that dresden knows this, and he abuses the hell out of that. Time and time again he gets the jump of his enemies because he thinks outside of the box like that haha.
And same for marcone, he knows that with the right bullets and tools, common items can hurt the supernatural. Its also what imo makes the supernatural in the series so real, they are extremely powerful, should be feared but all of them have a weakness. You just need to know it. And like dresden said so much, knowledge is power!
I like the scene when he gets accosted by some low skill mages who give the line "prepare to defend yourself, wizard" and he just pulls out his gun.
2 of the strongest sorcerer's in JJK school vs this guy and his gun lol
I mean, the dude is just efficient. He shot the girl who was basically powerless (being the target host for a godlike being is not a power). Using the right tool for the job really.
Jjk,?
I think it's Jujutsu Kaisen
Jewy jewy kaisanewy
What in the fuck is that pokemon one though
It's how Ash got all Dem Taurus
its from a "banned" pokemon episode - https://archive.org/download/pokemon-the-banned-episodes-collection/Pok%C3%A9mon%20-%20035%20-%20The%20Legend%20of%20Dratini%20%20%20%5BDarkDream%5D.mp4
in case you want to check other such episodes - https://archive.org/details/pokemon-the-banned-episodes-collection
Absolute legend, thank you so much!
at your service, kind sire
That’s pretty much the plot of Mashle
Everyone is a magician, except for Mashle who just hits stuff really fucking hard. And most wizards aren’t used to getting hit by a dude who can bench press a house.
What are you talking about. Muscles are the most magical thing ever XD.
Fuck it, I haven't watched any anime in like a decade and a half. Where can I stream or download this with English subtitles?
Edit: That website links to Crunchyroll which I hear is controversial, but it has the episodes, so I'mma watch it
Dunno, I just put my shows on Radarr and they appear on my NAS 😅
This is one of the most commonly used images on my D&D party’s Discord channel:
AI generated memes are so wild
Especially if there exist loads of versions of the joke that were made pre-AI. Who hasn't seen the gandalf with an AK-47 meme that was made 20 years ago?
Like this?
American magic.
my favorite example
I cast BULLET!
Expecto parabellum!
You fool, I expected you to expect to prepare for war!
:: dies of gunshot ::
https://outlawstar.fandom.com/wiki/Caster
Outlaw Star had magic and magic bullets.
And a rather unfortunate navigation system
Something about the big bad in the first MHA movie whipping out a gun and shooting somebody just hit hard. Like this is a world where people can whip out black holes and use their skin to create anything they want, yet a pistol made everyone stop immediately and collectively shit themselves.
The fictional world I’m building is at an interesting point. For decades, a few people have held most of the magical power and control, thus dominating entire battlefields. But firearms have just been refined to precision, meaning a good sniper can take down one of these mages in a surprise shot in one go. No sudden “spider sense” escape buttons.
Pretty sure that's the base of the 1970 movie wizards.
"I'm glad you changed your last name you son of a bitch!" (Wizards spoilers, but it'll probably make you want to watch to whole movie to figure out how it got here)
Wow kudos man of culture I see
Very cool, is this for a tabletop campaign?
Writing, or rather written, a book, but it’s hard to find interested literary agents. So, I’m working on a complicated plan to leverage an audience for self publishing.
I suppose I’m implying such an assassination is how the book opens, but it mostly just translates to a shift in the way warfare is conducted - fewer battle lines, more war of information.
One of my school friends was close to Sarah Maas. I hung out with her a few times, and we played online games together for years. The secret to her success was her parents' money; they poured funding into her editing and publishing, and so she became a "self-made" literary success. I have mixed feelings about her.
I'd be curious about your work if you're willing to share an excerpt? Lemmy might be a suitable test audience if you're into it
I uploaded some now slightly-outdated versions of the first few chapters to Royal Road.
https://www.royalroad.com/fiction/100178/rangers-of-the-frostscape
This is really good
I like how we can see into the character's head. We get his senses (darkness and snowflakes from his vision, blood on his hands from touch) and his memories (the priest). It makes him very human (Klyskin?). I dig it
we got there in Worm early and often
What if guns are part of the power system.
This is a meme where the source of its illustration perfectly portray the meme, even within its own context.
This guy uses some thing that works because it isn't the type of media to ignore the obvious.
makes me think of the wizard with gun skit, makes me laugh every time
Basically this guy: https://youtube.com/shorts/NhQcqqMAdTI
I cast gun, prepare to meet god
clown dude is really clever with the jokes
Yeah they are a hilarious group. The monotone dude who let's go went to clown school.
I really appreciate that there's one character in Demon Hunter that has a gun. It works, and is incredibly effective... against lower-level demons. The world-ending upper-rank variety need at least a decapitation, and half the time, a secondary decapitation or dismemberment of some kind. Simply asploding demon parts with one or two shotgun slugs is not enough in that case.
As a storytelling device, it really grounds the entire power-system in both the supernatural and super-human. We get periodically reminded that a gun absolutely holds its own in raw firepower, but the situation is just a bit more of a problem than it can handle.
What about magic-operated guns?
My protagonist has the ability to wield a franction (a word for a small amount in my verse) of the vitael energies of potential offspring ("poffspring") they decide not to have, so like if they date someone of the opposite sex and things are going well and they're thinking of moving in together, and then they ghost them my protag gets the power of the potential unborn babies (well some of it). They have made enemies of pretty much everyone in their hammelit (small village in my world), but have grown that much stronger with each jilted partner.
Anyway, they pulled this with the shire riff's (reeve of a shire in my lore) daughter and got shot with a pepper shot blunderbuss and exiled from town, but they are able to carry approx a handful of extra sticks using the strength from their poffspring, which they use to heat the abandoned hut they live in upwind of the hammelit's middens.
Wait, but if they think to adopt a child but not do it then they get a power?
I think so, yes, that feels right. OK, this is powerful... I think I've got the hook for my second book
Maybe you can do that they will get a "bad power" that is more a problem than something useful because the children had that power and so that would explain why no one ever wanted to adopt him
Ooo yeah like a curse and at first you think it's the children's fault, but then at the halfway point you find out they're the victims. Would also provide some good tension since it's the only way for the protag to get more power after the pepper shot removed their ability to make more poffspring.
I mean I was joking in my original comment, but you could tweak it a bit and maybe obscure some of the details to make the story halfway evocative.
I was thinking that this was a relatively bullshit example, but the movie "The One" featuring Jet Li makes this an awesome example. On it's face the impacts of one person likely aren't even enough for one person to notice, but if you had someone with the knowledge and means to take advantage of this they could be incredibly powerful.
At first I thought it's about political power.
Still tracks though.
I cast fist.
why do americans think guns are so powerful? they act like people who haven't been nuked or genocided
“If you hold a gun and I hold a gun, we can talk about the law. If you hold a knife and I hold a knife, we can talk about rules. If you come empty-handed, and I come empty-handed, we can talk about reason. But if you hold a gun and I only have a knife, then the truth lies in your hand. If you have a gun and I have nothing, then what you hold in your hands isn’t just a weapon, it's my life."
The Rwanda genocide wasn't carried out with guns as the primary weapon. It was machetes and fire.
It's only very rarely one-on-one like a movie gunfight.
Now imagine if someone came in there with a gun. That would change things. In which direction, I couldn't say.
Sometimes they did. It's not like nobody got shot in the Rwandan genocide. Lots of people did, and when it happened, it went like it almost always does, the people with guns killed a bunch of people with impunity unless the people they were shooting at also happened to have guns.
I'm hearing a lot of things that are true but I'm getting confused as to why they were said. Like what does the Rwandan genocide have to do with the post other than the almost unnerving lack of firearms involved? Ik you aren't the one who brought it up but just had to ask.
It was volumes of people, primarily. An oppressed underclass poisoned with fascist ideology who overwhelmed they're wealthier tribal neighbors not unlike how the French ended up butchering their aristocracy at the end of the 18th century.
Had the Tutsis been more heavily armed, they might have given as well as they took.
The genocide ended with the victory of the rebels led by Kagame. They were mostly Tutsis.
The armed Tutsis did indeed hit back.
This is only true for exactly as long as the weapons are held, though. Unless you plan on holding someone at weapons -point for life, the power eventually reverts.
That's why weaponizing ideas is such an insidious practice. Give a man a gun he carries around in his mind and you have a never sleeping army.
I think it's the 'equalizer' aspect. A knight would have to train for years to be proficient in swordplay, horse riding, and usage of a lance. Longbowman had to train from childhood. A wizard has to study magic for years.
A peasant could pick up a gun and theoretically kill any of them.
Americans in general are also more familiar with guns than swords or bows, so the "effectiveness" is more intuitive for our minds.
that's what i think is so perplexing
modern war completely negates your individuality, i mean unless you count your individually starved ass, but uhhh the world won't
maybe if you're lucky your incineration shadow on a wall will become part of an artistic photograph
there's nothing to equalize but Americans think a glock and sunglasses mean something other than your suicide or a childhood gun accident
It absolutely does, cogs in the meat grinder.
That said, It brings everyone down to that level.
With guns, the mightiest general can still be killed by a lucky private. In most fantasy worlds, that would be near impossible for a basic untrained person to be a threat to a skilled warrior or mage.
And you are right, in the US there are an insane amount of gun deaths from murder, suicides, and accidents. Too many of us treat them like toys or emotional support Glocks, use them to be their masculinity.
Is this the same America where words controlled the people who controlled the guns on 6January?
Yes, but also that doesn't really mean anything in relation to what's being talked about. Americans have more exposure to firearms on average I'm sure the folks of Svalbard would have a similar thing going on, same with basically any country with mandatory enlistment. Whoopty fucken doo folks can be controlled with words this observation was first made in writing in the fucking early bronze age when mammoths were still extent.
What do you think people use to commit genocide?
Oh that's right, guns!
The Nazis built the gas chambers because shooting crowds of women and children was giving their low end grunts PTSD, even the hardcore SS. They needed something where you didn't have to watch them die.
Do you think they can get anyone into the chambers without guns?
Using guns to move people into the chambers was less traumatic than lining them against the wall and shooting them.
what?
try asking your mom
I'm afraid I have to ban you. Your original comment is hateful and toxic towards a particular group of people, millions of whom are innocent. My users deserve better than to be threatened and insulted by the likes of you.
You'll be left with this:
there's so much wrong with your statement that I don't have time today to scrutinize it all. I wish you the best of luck in your personal growth journey. Goodbye.
Stinky of Redlemmy
Why do you think nukes and genocide are such a big deal? It's like you've never been hit by a gamma ray burst before smh