Trump signs executive order criminalizing opposition to fascism
On Monday, just one day after the Republican Party staged a Horst Wessel-style memorial for Charlie Kirk in Glendale, Arizona, President Donald Trump signed an executive order designating “antifa” a “domestic terrorist organization.”
The order claims that antifa is a “militarist, anarchist enterprise” that uses “illegal means to organize and execute a campaign of violence and terrorism nationwide.”
Antifa, as even FBI Director Christopher Wray was forced to admit in a September 2020 congressional hearing, is not an organization but a broad current of opposition to fascism. “Antifa is an ideology, not an organization,” said Wray, who also testified that the bureau had no data showing any lethal violence committed by the organization.
Since antifa as a formal organization does not exist, Trump’s executive order amounts to a blanket authorization to brand political dissent and opposition to his fascist regime as “terrorism.”
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2025/09/24/xnly-s24.htmlOpen linkView original on lemmy.dbzer0.com
One can be anti fascist whilst not being a member of Antifa. Don't forget people, these are the dumbest people in the world running this show.
I think conflating Antifa with anyone they choose is exactly the objective.
Yup, it’s just a new method to be able to kidnap people off the streets. First it was “they were an immigrant” and then “they looked like an immigrant”. And now it has progressed to “they looked like a domestic enemy of the state”.
I am NOT a member!
I would NEVER be a member of any club that would have someone like ME as a member.
True, but they have yet to utilize their new terrorist distinction on me, an anti-fascist, so I think the general layperson is safe atm
"They haven't come for me yet, so we're still safe" is not very good logic under a fascist regime.
You’re safe until you’re not, at which point, nobody will know because you’ve been disappeared.
So yes, we can hear from the people who we can still hear from. True equals true.
There are no 'members' of Antifa. There are only people that are anti-fascist.
Edit to add: The only people trying to make Antifa a thing are fascists trying to convince the dumbfuck masses that opposition to them is somehow a bad thing. And now they're trying to make that a crime.
Weren't the Portland riots committed by members of a group called "Antifa"? Also, apparently there are small sects that organize locally.
"Antifa has no official national leadership, though followers have organized themselves into small, local cells that sometimes coordinate with other movements, such as Black Lives Matter."
"Some antifa adherents keep a very low profile, while other local groups venture to give themselves a more public profile with a name and a website. One of the oldest such groups appears to be Rose City Antifa, which says it was founded in Portland, Oregon, in 2007. According to its website, its main focus is "any work that prevents fascist organizing, and when that is not possible, provides consequences to fascist organizers. This is supported by researching and tracking fascist organizations."
Source
As a Portlander:
No, yet again there are no organizations, just individuals committed to the same idea. This shit is spontaneous and if you actually knew anything about this city you would know why.
Just like black blocs are an idea and a tactic, not an organization there are no leaders in a bloc and no members, just participants.
Interesting. Thanks. Might be time for a rebrand.
No, "antifa" is, itself, the term for the position of being against fascism. There is no organization.
They also will not care as they're just going to accuse their enemies of it regardless of how left they are. They know exactly what they are doing, and they've been doing it way faster than I expected.
One can be anti fascist without being anti fascist? Are you on fucking crack M8?
I feel like you’re still thinking ‘antifa’ is an organisation, when it’s simply being opposed to fascism. It’s a concept, not a movement, and it only appears to be a movement when fascism is on the rise, which tends to cause* antifa people to group together more to oppose it. There are some groups explicitly for doing antifa action, but if you’re against fascism, you are antifa by definition. Also ‘antifa’ action can be anything from denouncing Nazis online to protecting trans rights to protesting to any number of other things.
The right has tried to make ‘antifa’ into some sort of bogeyman for a decade, and we shouldn’t allow them to frame what it means.
It’s similar to liking video games. I’m a ‘gamer’ because I like to play games, but I don’t belong to any gamer groups, I don’t go to conventions, and I don’t compete in tournaments. Some people do those things, but I’m no less a gamer because I don’t.
Yes, I am antifa. Enough that I own this book (which I actually recommend everyone read who wants to resist fascism):
No it's not, also in Europe antifa simply means anti-fascist.
Are the antifas in the room with you right now?
Okay fedbot5000, you did good here but maybe reddit needs your FUD more.
I would argue there is no organization known as "antifa". Certainly nothing with structure or presence like tpusa or the proud boys, ya know the organization that terrorized the seat of our nation 5 years ago...
Reread their comment, they know.
They knew about it because they implied in the second that that the first would pass in the current administration because they are that dumb. They know.
Sending gif trying to look smart while missing the obvious point is kinda embarrassing ngl.
You steel manning and imposing your own assumptions is kinda embarrassing (ngl). You don't know their mind yet you insist on reading past their words. You just look like a dork who wants there to be more than there is to a thing.
How does one become a “member” of antifa?
Annoy Trump and he'll declare you one.
Gotta get recruited by George Soros.
Attend the planning meetings of any anti-fascist group that uses 'antifa' in their name, of which there are many; in my experience the 'membership' is almost identical to the 'membership' of the local Anarchist Book Fair planning committee.
Or show up to an anti-fascist rally, even as a bystander, get arrested for nothing, and now your name is on a 'known members' list in some pig's office :P
explain how so? consider that there is no way to “be” a member of a group that does not exist in that manner. being of the cohort of people who are antifascist is not the same as being a “member.” I suppose we are saying the same thing. :)
Yeah but the more you read up on the Nazis the more you find out they were pretty dumb too. Still killed millions of people.
It's crazy the amount of people that didn't get your comment. You might want to clarify... XD
Trump is leaving office in a casket tbh. There's even a decent chance it happens before his term is up.
I'll be mildly surprised if he sees 2026.
Since that name is now burned, maybe we could start a new organization to fight fascism. And to let the world know that we've reached a point of fascism we can't turn back from, we can call it Turning Point.
It'd be fun to let them wrestle with calling brand Turning Point a terrorist group.
I'm still going to protest, because I'm not the coward that these fascists are hoping for.
Getting arrested for holding a sign on public property will be a slam dunk lawsuit.
Executive Orders cover the federal executive branch. They aren't federal law, they aren't state law & the certainly don't override the Constitution.
Grow a fucking spine.
^^^ Look at this guy with his...
"I'll be protected by the law" attitude....
I get what you guys are saying but this idealogy is what makes this a reality. People must continue to protest in large numbers. Only once the numbers dwindle will they sweep in and start charging people with terrorism. There is safety in numbers.
We need to protest even if we’re not protected. We need to protest even if we wind up hanging for it, like Sofie Scholl.
In a sane world, yeah, it would be a slam-dunk lawsuit, but we’re in uncharted territory now, so who knows if that will remain true. The direction we’re moving in will be so much worse. If we don’t protest now, when we might possibly have some protection, we’ll wind up in a world where our protest will absolutely cost us our life.
Much like what folks in the UK are doing right now
That's why you've got guns.
Not for long.
Shit news source generally (tankie as all hell), but in this specific case the article seems solid.
Fuck fascism. Fuck this entire administration. Fuck Charlie Kirk and every other nazi like him.
Historically the War Dept was anti fascist.... Which means Trump just declared the U.S. military a crimanl terrorist organization... Time to go arrested those serving in the military. Let's start at the top: The
goodold commander in chief.I had a horrible stepgrandfather. He's done two good things: first, die, second, instill in us the value of fighting fascism. He fought nazis in europe. He went off about Constant Vigilance or something. Fighting fascists is a traditional united states value.
Don't suppose he had signs of PTSD? Not defending him for any horrible actions but WWII messed with a lot of men's heads and gave lasting repercussions generations down the line. Helps to identify toxic traits that flow from it to stop it in your family and community.
Men of america were known to weep in the streets prior to WWI. Being open to showing emotion was robbed from men due to war.
oh definitely had that. he got ptsd after the war. it's a very long story that would probably identify me. short version, he served in a different theater than just about everyone from where he lived and thus felt ostracized by the veterans groups. because of that he never got the support he needed, which was partly a self-inflicted wound. as one of his favorite targets, i find i'm more able to empathize/sympathize with other folk who've been in his position than him.
Under which president? Not Jackson. Not McKinley. Not Hoover.
Roosevelt.
Not the first one
Idk historically the war department was used to push fascism on people outside the country. Go ahead and ask the Vietnamese or the Iraqis how they feel about the US military.
After WWII the war department became the department of defense (and still is,just this year it has a nickname of war depart.) So Vietnam and both the gulf war and war on terror was a different department. However the war on terror and this year for Venezuela the DoD actions are very much like terrorism. The nickname executive order and the antifa executive order lays out the return of the historical war dept which the last war was WWII against Nazis (and against racism) as such the 2nd executive order rightly names the DoD as a terroristic organization
Is Antifa even an organization, and not just a general term for people who oppose fascism, which should be the majority of the population?
Antifa released a statement on this EO.
www.antifa.org
I love that this is their sole response, hosted on a .org domain and that there's nothing else there. No Contact Us page, no upcoming events, nothing to indicate they actually do anything or are even a group. Just that dumbass tweet and BLM support.
I almost clicked that.
Nice try FBI
It’s ok, I clicked it for you. Here is a screen shot:
There is no general "antifa", but there are many individual (often regional) organizations with some form of "anti-fascist" or "antifa" in the name, like "rose city antifa".
In addition, there are many organizations that are not specifically antifascist, but would describe an opposition to fascism as part of their core beliefs. This includes a lot of media organizations.
Lastly, anyone with political views that do not support fascism are automatically anti-fascist.
The goal is to oppress all 3 categories of people.
The post answers that mate
Antifa is a concept (anti-fascism) people can support or not. Antifa isn’t people.
America used to be antifa.
Not really though. They were just anti German-Nazi. Just look at all the lynchings, the Jim Crow laws, segregation etc.
The fact that our govt didn't really give a shit about the nazis until Pearl Harbor forced our entry into the war.
Looks like we're all terrorists.
Everyone arm up.
CPAC is finally correct now!
I armed up back in 2018. Not sure why anyone else wouldn't have by now. Maybe just extreme naivete.
Suicidal tendencies, mostly. As much as I wish I could buy a gun, I'd probably be most likely to turn it towards myself.
But there are so many billionaires just loitering about.
They are not even hiding that they are fascist now, wow.
🌍 👩🚀 🔫 👨🚀
I don't support fascism. I'm wholly against it. I guess that makes me antifascist.
Get um, boys.
😲
I think I've figured out Trump's Reichstag moment.
It'll be the White House burning down, because of something going wrong with the ballroom construction. Then he'll get to move the presidential residence to Mar-A-Lardo like he's always wanted, and charge the American taxpayers for renovations and rent forever.
Kirk was the reichstag fire
I normally don't want hurricanes to hit Florida since I live there but that scenario would change my mind.
Its all the smoke screen for the epstein files.
Epstein files or no, this motherfucker is making it very easy to jail his critics so maybe consider giving this threat a little more weight.
You think making opposition to fascism a criminal offense is a distraction from releasing the files that we already know the man is in?
This is why we are fucking doomed. Get a grip.
The birthday book is the List. People have the thing they demanded and they're still just repeating the line and nauseum to themselves.
It's terminal brainrot. Nobody knows how to resist a fascist government. All they know how to do is shitpost
Its like your mind cant consider more than one thing.
Time to start mailing antifa membership cards to all your favorite republicans.
A-fascist-says-what?
The far right which has taken over ICE and the Federal government under Trump is terrorizing many, many people in this country. JD Vance, Noem, and Trump know it (the cruelty is the point) and yet all cast any criticism of this fact as "terrorist rhetoric." That kind of table-turning projection is foundational in the authoritarian playbook.
But what I don't understand is - why does the American public discourse seem to tolerate all these tactics?
Because most people aren't very smart and will only care about something once it directly affects them, which is too late.
Which is why this is probably going to get a whole lot worse and everyone that is smart should be preparing themselves for that.
Because allowing these tactics let's them "hurt the people he needs to be hurting." They're authoritarian themselves.
The right has complete control of the media outrage apparatus.
Well it's a good thing America has a stellar track record on wars against ideas, e.g. drugs, terror, and Christmas. Let's declare war on Opposition, there's no way to lose that one
I am a terrorist now I guess.
If you're a terrorist to a fascist regime, you're one of the good guys.
The next big protest is going to be interesting for sure...
October 18th.
We need everyone that can walk & hold a sign to turn out.
... in case you weren't sure what he stands for
Where does one go to find a clown wig and a plastic red nose combo large enough to fit a continent?
This HAS to be satirical, right?
Does this mean that Trump and his followers are fascists?
All this really does make me wonder about that Fourth Turning theory....it's like 80 years since the end of WWII, almost to the day.
We fought a war to end fascism.
@[email protected] hey, so now that it’s a criminal offense, is .world going to force mods to remove any dissent?
.world already operates like it's run by fascists so it wouldn't be a stretch. Just reddit 2.0 with the mods wills dictating discourse across its communities.
I just wanted to hear Jordan not answer a direct question like the wimp he is
Dunno, our server is in Finland so it's up to the Admins.
Will you moderate anti-fascist comments if the admins say that anything anti-fascist must be moderated?
I can't address a hypothetical like that.
I can say that the Admins I know aren't inclined to go along with anything Trump says, and the guidance they operate under isn't American.
I've also stated before that Trump's noise about Antifa is just that, noise. There's no group to go after and it's likely just his attempt to go after "their" imaginary funding, specifically the tinfoil hat allegations against George Soros. I expect that angle from Trump any day now.
https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/soros-conspiracy-theories-and-protests-gateway-antisemitism
You are not able to say whether or not you would support fascism or not support fascism because the idea of choosing between the two makes you feel uncomfortable in a hypothetical situation that is not so hypothetical that it could not actually happen in the near future?
I'm saying my opinion in an extemely unlikely hypothetical is irrelevant.
The Admins aren't likely to side with Trump, and legally, they have no requirement to side with Trump. If they do, my opinion will be based on how they do it, not a "what if?"
I've quit platforms over lesser things, Fark->Digg->Reddit, but I'm not going to engage in hypotheticals.
Same vibe as putin declaring LGBTQ an "extremist organization".
I'm starting to think executive branch having power to name enemies of the state is a bad idea.
WSWS tend to be sensationalist in its articles, but I agree with them for once on this matter.
I prefer the term freedom fighter.
this order doesn't really do anything. it declares that "Antifa" is a domestic terrorist organization, and directs executive agencies to prioritize investigating and preventing illegal actions done by, or on behalf of, "Antifa."
it doesn't criminalize "Antifa," define what that is, impose any sanctions, suspend any rights etc. there's no statutory authority invoked. it's just an order telling Federal law enforcement to focus on crimes by "Antifa" first.
why? probably because there's jack shit they can do. there's no magical war powers to invoke against domestic terrorists.
it's just a tweet on fancy letterhead.
And that’s the beauty of these orders… with no definitions, ANONE can be “Antifa”.
Therefore, anyone can be jailed under these new orders with zero effort needed aside from publicly branding them as an “Antifa member”.
It’s a jail-whomever-you-want-for-any-reason card. It’s the perfect tool for the ambitious fascist.
The vagueness IS THE POINT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9NnQt_eQ0I
IT IS DANGEROUS to laugh off their declarations as meaningless. Its is dangerous to call him an idiot. The vagueness is the point! THATS why fascism can take hold so quickly, because NO ONE KNOWS WHERE THE LINE IS.
So, as far as Im concerned, the line is way the fuck over - Go fuck yourself Trump. This executive order pretty much outs you as a fascist. - there.
no, that's the thing. a group could literally call itself Antifa, apply for a permit to hold a demonstration and burn American flags holding "DOWN WITH FASCISM" signs, and there's nothing the Administration could do. it's all protected speech. they can't jail someone for being Antifa. not even the EO claims this.
Have you been conscious and actually aware of your surroundings over the last eight months?
Because there is a shitton of “protected” things that the current administration has been shattering with few to no consequences. Violation of due process rights, blatant kidnapping of naturalized citizens or permanent residents, military occupations of entire cities, deporting full American citizens, open corruption, de-platforming comedians, the works.
At this point, the constitution is two incidents away from being wholly irrelevant and not worth the paper it is written upon.
yes. I've personally read most of the Supreme Court decisions from 2025 in their entirety. I've consumed a truly unhealthy amount of news.
Yes, the Administration has pulled shady shit, especially their shell game with original jurisdiction and habeas petitions. The worst has been CECOT. Trump v. JGG and Trump v. AARP did smack down some of this, though DHS v. DVD was unconscionable in shirking the requirements for CAT hearings.
I'm aware of a few cases of naturalized citizens being stripped of citizenship, ostensibly due to mistakes or omissions in their applications. This has always been a thing, legally, but courts have held that it mistakes must have material significance. I'm not aware that they've deported anyone for typos.
Many more permanent residents have been detained, usually due to some prior conviction on their record. Again, this is legal, though terribly wrong. All permanent residents should be getting naturalized asap because the protections are much stronger.
Legal for DC, due to its special status as a Federal city. Forbidden in States without invitation by their Governors, except in cases of Rebellion, per the Posse Comitatus Act. Troops can be deployed to protect Federal buildings or workers, which was the excuse Trump used in LA. As a result, the Marines mostly stood around doing nothing, since they weren't allowed to police. A judge found this unlawful and enjoined the order, and the troops were removed.
As for Memphis, the Governor of Tennessee invited Trump to deploy the National Guard, so it was legal.
As for Chicago, despite Trump's cringe Apocalypse Now meme, he backed down because Pritzker opposed, so he would have violated Posse Comitatus.
A few children who were US citizens left the Country with their undocumented parents, when they were deported. Legally, they can't deport the kids, but they can offer the parents a horrible choice: bring them with you, or put them in the foster system. If they weren't offered a choice, this is an easy suit to win, but my understanding is that the parents decided to bring their kids with them.
ha, yep. Trump and his cronies are laughably corrupt. don't get me started on the memecoin..
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so yes, the Constitution is in trouble. a couple months ago the Administration was skirting being held in contempt, in particular with deportations. but the judicial system is holding up surprisingly decently, with the exception of the absolutely disgraceful shadow docket orders SCOTUS has handed down.
but it's not at a point yet where Trump can write EO that says "grr Antifa bad" and round up people who've committed no crimes.
So you have been completely asleep and unaware of current events!
Because that has been happening in spades over the last 8 months.
Like, gratuitously. Or didn’t you hear about that person who was forcibly deported to El Salvador simply for having an Autism awareness tattoo? No crime. No danger to society. A solid, upstanding immigrant deported as a “violent member of a gang” because of a tattoo.
And that’s just the tip of the iceberg. Turns out that over 94% of current deportees would never have been forcibly deported under normal conditions, because they have either no criminal record in he first place, or no convictions. After all, you cannot deport on a suspicion of criminality.
94%. That’s one insane jump. Sure looks like “guilty until proven innocent” to me!
Dude, you need to wake up and smell the fascism. Because it seems to me you have zero clue of just how far things have gone. Hell, when even experts in fascism have been fleeing America, that shit is happening.
That's the fucking point.
Wait a minute.....I'm starting to think this Trump guy might be a fascist.
It’s gonna be like nailing jelly to a wall.
Good luck with that, orange loser
Shit tier site.
A recent article:
Escalation in the Baltics: NATO exploits alleged airspace violation by Russian jets for new war escalation
Why post about such an important using content from degenerate tankie roaches?
can we sign an order claiming trump is a terrorist organization?
Come on Trump, you can do better. Here in The Netherlands the government has signed a motion banning antifa already last week! Try to keep up, will ya? /s
It's so unfortunate that journalism is dead, otherwise we could've had some interesting discussions on this topic. For instance, I would like really like to know what would happen if a WWII veteran would speak out against fascism. Will we (The Netherlands or in this case the US) lock that person up?
How do they tell the difference between "opposition to fascism" and the "opposition to stupidity"?
They don't need to, it's the same thing.
How is this even an allowed source for "news"?
Yeah... Welcome to Lemmy.
It's the same game Bush played with The War on Terror or Reagan with the War on Drugs. Write orders so vague and all-encompassing that virtually anyone could qualify based on a police officer or prosecutor having bad vibes.
Trump's running on a very time tested playbook
Holy shit you're dumb.
Both the "war on drugs" and Trump's Antifa move use intentionally wide nets so they can catch whatever they want and spin it however they want.
Now, the "war on drugs" is far enough in hindsight that we know it was a failure and we know it was a ploy by the Reagan admin to make it look like they were accomplishing something and gain support. What Trump is doing is the same, but far, far more dangerous.
You can't be this stupid. I mean you can, and are, but goddamn.
Same subjects - the poor, the marginalized, the minorities.
And "different time" is such a fucking cop out. It's always a "different time". What difference is that supposed to make? It's the same policy.
This is just one more step in labeling anything opposed to the Trump administration as enemies of the state. If you don't see that you are either ignorant or complicit. The fact that it's so badly defined is why it makes the perfect boogeyman. They can attribute any characteristics they want to "Antifa" and then anyone who espouses those characteristics is under suspicion of being a terrorist.
We should still get our facts straight and not rely on hyperbole, which just opens us up to being corrected and looking like idiots who don't bother to verify what they spout.
If it really is as bad as you say, then we shouldn't need to embellish it. Stick to the facts and let people form their own opinions.
::: spoiler spoiler It's sad this needs to be spelled out for so many of you, but it just goes to show how few of you paid attention in social studies or had extremely poor teachers. :::
Look at this pseudo-intellectual telling us to educate ourselves while ignoring an extremely bright neon red flag that looks a whole hell of a lot like a common tactic used by fascist regimes to label anyone they want an enemy of the state.
How about you stop trying to educate us and educate yourself, champ.
Most of them react like you when faced with their incompetence.
Sorry bud. Everyone doesn't get a gold star this time.
I have hated rage bait and click bait ny entire life. I know what you are saying. But this, no this is just truthful.
If there was an organization,sure. But since antifa does not exist, and just stands for "anti fashist" there is exactly no misunderstanding. It's their psychosis bulging out of their pores and it's very dangerous
https://www.antifa.org/
Ha ha ha ha, what a twat.
Hey, respect to ya for owning it tho. No worries, I've had plenty of my own twat days too.
there's no way this person isn't trolling, right? right?
They are, unfortunately, very stupid. Also a troll though.
dude, you lose the right to have opinions about any of this shit ever again. You were so confident in your ignorance. Sit down, shut up.
Turn on your autocorrect, fascist. Fucking moron.
God I hope they come for you first.
When this order gets interpreted and implemented, will they be reading Trump's mind (ugh, sick thought) or will they be reading the order?
Trump is like King Tommen, happily banging the seal of the King on whatever mommy puts in front of him. Whether or not he has the faintest idea of what he is signing is entirely irrelevant. The people who wrote the order know what they want it to mean, and they won't be interpreting it any other way. What Trump thinks is far less relevant than what Stephen Miller thinks.
What are you even talking about...? Seriously i didn't understand that, it may be my fault.
Which part did you not understand?
I'll come at it from another direction. The executive order is nonsense from a legal perspective for any number of reasons, but that's assuming the Trump administration intends to follow the rule of law. I hope it's pretty obvious by now that we can't make that assumption.
Lets say you are an ideological enemy of Trump that the administration want's to railroad. They use this executive order to prompt the FBI to start digging. The FBI isn't going to push back and say that antifa isn't an organization, and they will never have to prove such a thing in court. They still have to find something to charge you with though, but you are a model citizen with no criminal record, and you have never said anything online that could possibly be twisted to sound like a threat. So, you are safe, except...
Since you have been implicated as a domestic terrorist, the intelligence agencies get roped in. Independent of the FBI, these agencies are the top experts in the entire world at finding your secrets and even at fabricating pretty much any document or other piece of evidence they want. As a terrorist (yeah, they drop the "implicated" part pretty quickly) you are a risk to national security. Suddenly the FBI is getting tips that lead them to whatever they need to put you away for whatever crime is most useful.
This is exactly how fascist governments operate.
I mean, we think the same of you.
Found the tankie.
Found the idiot
Don't you have boots to lick?
Goddamn son. You need to pick up a fucking history book and get back to us.
Well, at least you're accidentally correct about this one
Just today Stephen Miller claimed that calling the Trump regime "authoritarian" was terrorism.
I don't know what you are smoking but you should stop, it is damaging your brain.
Thanks for this sanity check.
I looked at the source and noticed, well, it wasn't anything reputable that I recognized like AP. That usually means they have very little journalistic integrity and have no problem sensationalizing headlines to get clicks.