Bolsonaro sentenced to 27 years in prison for plotting Brazil coup
The former president of Brazil, Jair Bolsonaro, has been sentenced to 27 years and three months in prison after being found guilty of plotting a military coup.
A panel of five Supreme Court justices handed down the sentence just hours after they had convicted the former leader.
They ruled he was guilty of leading a conspiracy aimed at keeping him in power after he lost the 2022 election to his left-wing rival, Luiz Inácio Lula da Silva.
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And the judges didn't bend for the US sanctions. I hope this becomes an example for the world.
That was an absolutely fucking admirable sight to behold. So fucking happy they didn’t cave, and told the regime to eat shit and fuck off.
Now do Trump
No, we needed to heal and let him run again so he could finish the job of stealing the election.
We are still trying to heal from it. Maybe we need to give him a third term. Just rip up the constitution and use it as toilet paper (the actual one in Washington)
we should let him steal the washington monument to put his name on it and use as a buttplug (i did not check the base for flaring, please remove any flaring)
PAGEant pervert, nooo
What a terrific idea
@ United States of America, that's how you fucking do it.
only beat me to the meme by, uh, 16 hours
He'll be 97 when he gets out, if he lives that long.
Good riddance.
Eh, wouldnt be hard to get it reduced tbh, I doubt he will actually stay there for 27 years. But Ill take what I can get
You'd think attempting a coup would warrant a total block of any reduction in the length of sentence, but oh well.
The only thing that should be reduced is the length of the rope.
Think positive. He could be sentenced for more crimes he definitely committed
Will still be capped so even at 40 years max, his lawyers will be trying to get him released with 20 or less years in jail for good behavior or what not
20 or less will make him up to 90 years old. It'll do.
FYI: South Korea's former president got pardoned by her successor after her impeachment & removal & imprisonment. (The one back in 2017, not the recent 2024 one)
okay i'm taking notes. when we rebuild the republic, impeachments can't be pardoned.
Another turning point, a fork stuck in the road
On the less positive side: one of the judges disagreed with everything, tens of thousands of supporter were supporting him in the street when the ruling happened, parliament allies are trying to make an amnesty law for him. I hope Brazilian people keep fighting for their democracy hard because the attacks will never stop.
I can't speak for the whole country, but at least in my city, it's notable how bolsonarism has been losing energy. I know people who were strong supporters who are not caring for him anymore and less and less people are talking about him in public places. I believe today's news will deliver another strong blow against this collective madness, and the slow improvement in the economy since last elections will bring more people back to supporting the left parties, at least the worker's party.
Once the online propaganda/psyops funding dries up, it's amazing how quickly the masses move on from a controversial figure. That's why I don't think the MAGA infection that the US has will last long without billionaires continually pumping their bullshit. There'll always be cultists, but I even remember seeing how quickly most folks moved on after 2021, only for a resurgence around late 2023 when lots of billionaires flooded his campaign coffers.
Problem is our billionaires are all in. And also, their fortune comes from the propaganda machines (social media).
It’s not great.
It would help if we become the next North Korea though.
Good to hear!
As an American I find it difficult to understand how a working justice system can convict a criminal.
As a non-american posting from one of those 3rd world shitholes Trump talked about, you guys deserve way better.
When Brazil respects democracy more than America.
We're fucked, y'all.
Sounds like a 4% of world population problem.
From my perspective: So far the best SOAP that I ever watched. The episode yesterday with the gun sidestory was insane.
regardless of how you feel the united states falling to a fascist regime affects everyone on the globe the same way the industrial power of germany falling to fascism was cause for global war.
frankly, you are espousing the one of the most ignorant opinions i’ve ever heard. i’m not saying this because in some pearl clutching american. im saying this because you seem to have no idea about how cause and effect play out on a world stage.
keep feeling safe and acting like none of it matters. your country isn’t immune to what’s happened here, and it’s certainly not immune to a fascist american military. you’re no better than the 60-ish% of americans who complacently have allowed the current status quo to come to pass.
The didn't get to vote on it
Well I'm just leaning back and grabbing my popcorn because I already watched this shitshow for over 4 years and I have to deal with it for another few years.
Trying to tackle this situation with logic or realism is clearly not working and just drives people insane so I'm doing this approach which is at least funny and not constantly depressing ^^
i don't fault you for feeling this way, there are a lot of people feeling the same right now. like all of the establishment-politicians here in the US.
fhey think MAGA will die with Trump, and Trump's days are numbered, i'll be surprised myself if he makes it to the end of the year. they're banking on a "return to normalcy" where they can go back to ratfucking the country in peace with their brothers across the chamber...
...this...won't happen, imo. MAGA is here to stay, and a lot of people are in for a rude awakening when things don't "return to normal". after trump dies, slowly but surely people are gonna look around and wonder wtf happened to their county/state/country...
the big what-if here is how establishment-dems act (where they don't just continue to lose elections), do they give even the pretense of caring about this country and bend the knee to facism all in the name of that all-mighty dollar (then, the far-right leopards start eating evermore faces), or do they make way for the progressives who just want the 1% to pay their fair share in taxes...
HyperNormalisation
See, America? That's how you do it. Learn from Brazil.
apparently brazil's government is more functional than USA's
"More functional than the USA" is a low bar, though. And rapidly getting lower.
Bolsonaro has been sentenced to 27 years and three months, Trump was elected for his second term. Now who is bigger democracy? Maybe because Brazil plays REAL football?
Brazil showing the U.S. how it's done.
If the US had done this after Jan 6, they would have saved themselves a lot of trouble.
Americans:
Life in prison effectively. If only we could start putting our leaders in jail for their crimes.
Brazil gets to sit at the table with Iceland on the list of countries who jailed the people responsible for almost torpedoing thier own country. (In Icelands case, it was the bankers involved in 2008s financial crisis)
The right wing is still powerful over there. The Supreme court judge who voted to acquit bolsanaro is still a member of the court. All it takes is a broken judiciary to enable fascism. And Brazil could easily go in that direction again if the fascists win control again.
It's nice to see traitors held accountable for their actions. Maybe one day the US will take note.
MORE OF THIS!
Meanwhile Merrick Garland somewhere is sitting happy as a pig in shit.
I remember all the people on reddit in 2020 who were loudly insisting that Garland was just biding his time and making sure that the case against Trump was ironclad before moving against him. I'd say lol but it's obviously not funny.
If he was American, he would've just gotten another term
So basically Brazil is less of a banana republic than the USA.
If only The Big Short ended like this. Well done Brazil!
27 years seems pretty lenient given what he was convicted of. I realise that he'll probably never be free given his age but I don't think that the defendent's age should affect the sentence, especially when they still have their supporters like Bolsonaro.
The age was taken into account.
never be free
Sweet summer child...
I thought he was in his 70s? Maybe you know more about the Brazillian justice system tho.
I'm not saying anything about his age. I'm assuming, which I maybe should not, about the politics of many political systems. I'll give it 3 years, plus/minus 3 years.
You think they will parole him or convert it to house arrest?
Jupp.
Idk either tbf. Maybe being pessimistic is the smart move here.
How delicious.
mfw corrupt as hell Brazil is less corrupt than the USA.
Hahahahaha!
Basically a death sentence. He won't live long enough to serve his full sentence.
A life sentence. Not a death sentence.
What I mean is he is no longer going to be a threat and he will die in prison.
I hope not.
And nothing of value was lost.
Infuriating
Seems really low
Now do Donny 2 Inches !!
He's 70, most likely way out for him is a casket.
60 days to file, 5 to appeal after the filing, yadayadayada.
He's still basically out on bail, don't act like he was remanded into custody today, people.
Give the Brazilian Supreme Court judges US passports ASAP!
Should be longer considering it's a crime against the entire population of the nation.
20 years in many jurisdictions is a life sentence. The reason is, after 20 years, the world has changed so much, you got no idea what to do with your life.
He's 70, so this sentence is likely life in prison for him, unless he gets parole or some other bullshit like that, which he does not deserve. Make an example out of those who try to fuck with the democratic process or you end up like US today.
It must be nice.
Yaassss!! Rot in there!
Ooo Brazilian prison
Weird that judges decide the verdict instead of a jury. Is that normal in Brazil? Seems very abusable.
Brazil uses Civil Law, as many other countries do, not Common Law as in the USA.
Brazil does have the concept of Jury, but this case fits a different criterion.
There are some conditions for a jury in USA as well.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juries_in_the_United_States
Woah, crazy, all of the sea people fall under the system of Halakha? TIL
/c/mapswithoutgreenland
Your pedophile insurrectionary ex-president is free and president again.
Ours was just condemned to 27 years in prison.
Are you really in a position to comment on our judiciary system?
Not because of juries lol. The issue is the corrupt political actors. If citizens had that power instead I believe it would have been different.
Normal in most countries. I wouldn't trust jury of inept people to understand evidence provided to them.
I trust them more than corrupt politicians.
Are judges in the US elected? I know some are appointed. In some countries they are career public servants. They pass an exam and dispute with other candidates, so they are experts in their field that went in a public selection process.
Some are elected, yes. But at a certain level of power everyone becomes a politician.
Isn't it the case of every Supreme Court? Which one has a jury?
The Supreme Court doesn’t usually decide people’s sentences though. They might rule on a technical issue arising in a trial but not decide the verdict or sentence. At least, that’s how it works in the US.
i love how you're correct and people are downvoting you because they listened to a podcast
Lemmy seems to have interpreted my comment as some kind of pro-US nationalist position. Which is ridiculous but whatever I don’t even try to figure out or worry about what will anger people here anymore.
I'd say we need to be friends but it seems we already are
In Brazil, only murder cases go to jury trial, but even then, it's very different from the US. Here, jurors can interview witnesses and there's no deliberations between them, they go one at a time to a room with the presiding judge and cast a secret ballot, simple majority convicts or not. All other crimes are decided by the judge from the bench.
Oh, and our judges don't use gavels...
Good protection against Banksy ...
Interesting, thanks for the information. I’m a big fan of jury trial personally but I hope that system works well for you.
How's that working out for you?
Why do you assume that if it's how it's done in the USA then it's the best way?
Fucking USAians and their arrogance.
lol people are so hostile. The US definitely doesn’t do things well most of the time but juries do work pretty well in my experience.
That's rich. A USAian saying people are hostile. In the days after a major hostile motherfucker got a sudden fountain open in his neck.
Get out of here. Fucking having the audacity to question the justice system in other countries because "in my experience". Loser.
I was literally asking for people’s input because I don’t have experience with their legal system. But I guess you’re so intent on making everyone your enemy that you had to interpret it in the most negative light.
Questioning things in a polite, inquisitive way is good. Going off on people for questioning things is deranged behavior.
Also, I wonder if you are aware that people from other countries are individual humans with different opinions and behaviors on things? It seems not. What a very sad and myopic outlook.
Yes, very polite. Starting with calling how it's done in other places weird and finishing with accusing it of being just plain corruption.
Face it asshole. You're just a regular USAian thinking the world is that poor excuse of a country and everything else is worse.
Nope. You don’t know shit about me. Fuck off.
Is this how you treat everyone from other countries? I’ve heard tell that many Europeans are xenophobic but I didn’t realize it was this bad.
No, just arrogant USAians.
We're not trying to build walls and ICE acts over there. Saying Europeans are xenophobic. Do you have the faintest seed of an idea of how fucking idiotic that is?
Brazil uses civil law system like Europe... no need for juries