Armed drones to be deployed at schools to stop mass shooters
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This is such a tricky subject.
You could go with a more strict gun regulations. Coupled with more help for vulnerable people. And free mental healthcare.
Or.
MUTHERFUDGING DRONES, bitches.
It's such a tricky subject. So tricky.
This isn't tik tok you can say Motherfucking.
In fact I'd prefer if people just used the actual cuss words. Self-censoring is such a bullshit. Social media is a plague on our species.
I need more things to have a block censorship option. Like streaming music services often have a ‘block explicit’ option. I want a ‘block censored’ option.
YouTube has a thing where if you're on data and not wifi, they will not let you watch explicit videos even if you're signed into your account, which may or may not be old enough to drink, itself.
You have to do a thing in your phone's connection settings and hook it to a specific DNS (like "dns.adguard.com", which allows you to play mobile games while connected to a network without any ads)
Why are you lying online?
It is a plague but not because you can't swear.
man I made an account just to go troll idiots and holy shit is their moderation ever so fucking bad
people can say "I would drive over them" about people crossing a bridge, but if you say, "I'd drive over you tbh", nope, not okay.
not to mention the dumb automatic word filters regardless of context
Ploppers
do we have to have this same argument every godsdamned thread?
Argument? Nah. Just trying to help someone who seems to need help in forcefully expressing themselves.
just, i'm tired boss. no one likes being the language police, no one like being language policed. just let people talk.
but which of those options will make more money for the people in charge?
Are the drones flown by AI? ...looks like there's even more money to be made!
🤢
I'm skeptical any of this would be more than a bandaid solution, a large part of the problem has got to be how highschool in the US is just inherently a miserably dehumanizing experience.
Do not accept perfection as an enemy of progress!
If "progress" here means drugging students to tolerate their circumstances, or holding the threat of pepper spray drones over them (doubt this will stay limited to active shooter scenarios), I think it might be progress in the wrong direction.
I'm pretty sure they meant that the gun regulation, help and free healthcare would be progress, not so much the drugs and the drones.
I guess that makes sense. It just frustrates me that the scope of the discussion is all solutions that would not help directly with any problems potentially murderously suicidal teens have in their lives, the growth of those problems which you might imagine is the reason this has become a trend, but instead basically just preventing them from responding destructively.
You're right there. Yes.
To me, these aren't a bad idea. Immediate response and non-ISH-lethal. They are simply the progression of enforcement technology.
What they are not, is a solution to school shootings. They are not even a bandaid. Some people (law makers) just don't seem to know what "prevention" means.
You said
and yet you also said
in the very same post.
I wouldn't want some bored trigger happy gun nutjob from Texas playing shoot the bad guys with pepper spray on a games console where my kids and their multi ethnic friends are the NPCs.
That's a fair assessment. I'm guessing it's that way because that's where the company that operates this is. Which, now that I think about it, probably is a poor way to manage the whole program.
So I'll post-edit to say: "with local pilot and oversight"
Understandable, common typo in MY GUNS! land.
So much about that sentence doesn't make sense though...
"secure boxes" but "a button can open them" also "silent panic" with "drones out within 5 seconds"
In any event, the 'nonlethal' is generally considered a bad descriptor versus 'less than lethal', unless they are talking about something merely mildly annoying rather than the usual things like rubber or bag rounds.
I am an OCP stockholder.
Didn't expect to see a Robocop meme today, but I'm all about it!
Hail Hydra?
America will do literally anything to ignore gun control and mental health.
These things are going to get hacked and start shooting kids. Wtf are these idiots thinking.
Probably "this is a completely untapped market for our killbots!"
Here's hoping it was all fraud and no drones ever are actually deployed.
Realistically its probably a ploy for peter thiel to find new blood boys to kidnap.
The measurement unit is what got me
At last, zero self awareness, wow.
I'm sure this won't have a impact on mental health
US: Mental health issue? Here, take a bullet.
next year
armed drone hacked by deranged lunatic kills 50 kids and 10 teachers
Or, armed drone kills kid holding a banana as a gun
Child Holding Gun Shaped Object Struck By Bullets Fired From Police Drone
Idk fired is still too much culpability, how about 'Struck by bullets in incident involving police drone'
Yeah you're right, it's always an "incident involving XYZ"
how about "struck by bullets leaving the gun barrel"?
You can now do school shootings from the comfort of your own home. . . That's progress!
Kids just need to be more inventive, guns are so passé but bombs are the bomb.
Article says there's a pepper ball launcher and a glass hammer, so this thing is mainly for surveillance and mild distractions, which is much better than I was prepared to read.
If this actually encourages them to do their jobs, great. If this is just a kickback to private industry and further militarizing schools while police still sit cowering, than I know where they can dock those drones...
It is a massive invasion of privacy (like everything public school)
It's a foot in the door because of that attitude. No one jumps straight to Gatling guns on drones at the elementary school they might however do pepper ball, then tazer, then hard markers, rubber bullets, actual bullets.
That's a lie, they don't run toward gunfire at all. And they'll wait until they have at least three departments of officers before doing anything.
If they want to break glass as a distraction they can do that already, they don't need a drone. And their plan to break glass will startle an already on edge and unstable shooter, instead of using tactics to de-esecalate the situation. Also, isn't this what swat is for? They have no qualms about flashbanging babies in cribs but when it comes to an actual situation all of a sudden they need drones so no cops are in any iota of danger.
It's absolutely number 2... They leaving the parking lot.
It is funny how americans think that more guns will prevent gun violence. Then again, they think that more pills will prevent drug problem.
Fucking hilarious quote here:
Oh yeah so it's kinda like the terrifying dystopian surveillance nightmare where people are oppressed at all times by an omnipresent, invincible, untouchable outer force that compels them to unquestionably follow the path laid out for them in life by their masters. But like, in a good way!
What actually happens to people who's body is taken by the agent in the matrix? They can't be not dead, right? This makes it even better.
Fantastic. Remote controlled school shootings.
I wonder when the first one will happen?
Too many guns leads to weekly school shootings.
US: We need more guns!
How long before one of these shoots a regular kid?
I give it two weeks.
Yeah so we tried nothing and nothing worked!
Then we tried arming the teachers but they accidentally shot themselves and the students!
So now we're trying armed drones with AI doing the triggering because there just ain't any other solution to this problem!
I mean the entire world has this problem, every day we read about multiple countries facing multiple school shootings per day, every single day, and nobody found any solution ever!
So AI killer drones are the only way to move education forward, there is no other solution available Right?
i'm not sure these are AI drones, these might be remote sniper drones. which is still terrifying as fuck, considering how easy it is to find default logins for all the ALPRs everywhere and then see how many have not been changed [note for legal reasons i am not encouraging you to do this, definitely not without a good trusted VPN]
There are sites that will literally just connect you to random cameras all over the world that are hooked up to the internet with no security except obscurity and hope. Wouldn't be surprised if these drones start showing up on them.
maybe it's all the weed, but those feel like a honeypot to me
The fuck guys…you’ll try everything but actually fixing the problem.
Many of us are trying to leave as quickly as possible. You can't fix a society of deeply fucking stupid as this one has become.
No wait, they got thought listening devices! What if they set them up in schools to listen to everyone's thoughts! Everyone would be safe because you can listen to all teenager's thoughts!
OK let's start...listening to the guy over there..... Wow! Jessica has tits! .....hmmm okay moving on to another kid's thoughts...
Oh shit, nevermind! Nevermind!
because fixing a problem in the United States won't line anyones pockets with dollar bills.
Someone saw a problem, figured HOW to financially gain from said problem, not solve the problem in order to financially gain from it. So some company has scored a contract to patrol schools with drones in order to "prevent" school shootings and we know they won't and the US tax payer will pay for it.
Problems in the United States are never fixed, they're handled.
The only way it will be fixed is when people stop going after random public school kids and start going after the rich.
This is a joke, right?
I thought it was an Onion article at first
America, just throw more guns at the problem!
Its apparently the only profitable way to solve the problem. Pure bullshit insanity.
I feel like someone is going to hack one of these and then do a school shooting
You bet your ass. You think with Big Balls storing millions of people's data on unsecure servers and Las Vegas being slammed with a hack that would make Hollywood claim is unrealistic means there will be script kiddies ready with pre-made hacks that would make them kill people. This is cyberpunk 2077 level shit.
WFH
Next headline reads "armed drones were hacked and lead to worst systematic school shooting in history"
I think we know what the next step is here. Mass shooters start using armed drones.
The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a drone is a good guy with a drone.
I get more and more grateful to be born in Europe. The US is a real life satire fever dream at this point.
You know how most school shootings can be stopped in the US? Safe storage laws. Most of the time the shooter is an underage kid who got access to their parents' guns and went to shoot up the school. Obviously it wouldn't stop shit like Uvalde and Sandy Hook. But it would still stop a fuckload of smaller shootings we don't hear about because they are background noise at this point.
Next mass shooting headline: Bullied nerd hacks armed drones in school to extract bloody revenge.
How would you enforce such a law? Sounds like all they would do would be to allow you to prosecute people after the fact.
Yes, and when people realize it is being enforced they will do it more.
Also add the cavet that if a gun is stolen and misused by a member of the household, they would be liable for whatever actions were taken. This putting them on the hook for the shooting, too.
Honestly I'm not sure about that. Most people don't want their kids to be murderers in the first place, yet here we are. They never think their kid would do it.
That's wishful thinking. We've seen time and time again that parents are (willfully) ignorant about their kids mental health issues and will look their other way while their precious sketching hallways and figures out the choke points.
You're responsible for the people your gun kills is a pretty simple fix and would probably lead to lots of people buying gun safes overnight.
Wait, that isn't a thing as of now?
Safe storage laws, licenses and responsibility for anything that happens with your gun. No public carry laws. Removal of gun owning rights for people that commit violent or drug related crime. These are like the bare minimum needed to have a society with guns.
Police vists for people acting unhinged online and check they dont have any illegal weapons. Different classes of licenses with increased scruity.
As always, the American answer is more guns!
It’s funny how much they do just to circumvent gun control.
Some of these jackasses are so brainwashed they're still worried about the thing the masters told them to worry about for decades.
Pick up that can. Now. Put it the trash.
The US government loooves to kill unarmed kids
Right? We're gonna use drones to kill unarmed kids, without the expense of having to ship stuff to a different country. It's like a 60% off coupon for your favorite hobby, Uncle Sam is creaming himself in anticipation.
They shoot pepper balls.
Having said that, they might get kids killed when they're trying to hide from a gunman but can't stop coughing because the room is filled with pepperball dust.
Innocent children will die to trigger happy drone cops. It's going to be a remote controlled Uvalde.
No. No you haven't because every mindless idiot can fix this problem within a minute, had they have the interest to do so
BAN GUNS!
Aaaaaand problem solved.
Right! In Florida, they don't have an excuse as many of them witness how quick and efficient it can be to pass through a security checkpoint with Disney World right there scanning thousands of people every day.
Ban the guns and put up a security point to make sure nothing is making its way onto campus.
You can't ban guns. The right to have firearms is literally in our constitution.
It says bear arms, not own them. It's all in the interpretation
Also, it doesn't specify what sorts of arms. It also specifies it being as part of a well regulated militia...
Yes, as a part of a well regulated militia. How many of these gunmen were party to a well regulated militiia?
You may be shocked to hear about amendments
Amendments take 3/4s of the states to ratify them. that isn't going to happen. i doubt even 1/3 of blue states would ratify such an amendment.
So, you CAN ban guns! Whoda thunk
you can also build a space elevator.
good luck actually trying to do it.
Mmmm false equivalences
So here is a question:
Would YOU be okay with banning guns?
I think we've arrived at the point where it's fair to say that if you are against banning guns, that you're okay with children being shot to death on a daily basis. At this point, you can't just pretend anymore that one doesn't equate the other.
There is ONLY one country in the world where this problem exists. Any other country where this happens once, gun laws immediately are tightened and it doesn't happen anymore. In the US this has happened hundreds of times and people just can't find the solution that the rest of the world has implemented since decades ago.
So are you pro gun or pro alive kids?
Really now?
Well since trump has wiped his ass with the constitution so far, I'd say you're dead wrong.
Also, who gives a fuck?
Guns are the #1 cause of death in your country. Normal counties look at situations like that and fix it. This is why this shit doesn't happen daily in any other country in the world, as people there use their brain and don't go "well this 200 year old paper says kids need to be shot, there is nothing we can do!"
My gut says when you have to say you are "the good guy" you are in fact "the bad guy."
That's still terrible to be at a school but I bet it would be a hell of a lot of fun to play around with. Like aerial battle bots.
How is there not a drone version of battle bots yet
Aerial combat vehicles don't take hit that well.
I bet they look cool when they do though
Rapid unscheduled disassembly while in operation is definitely something people like to watch especially if it has an energetic catalyst.
But it would most likely just end in both aerial vehicles being unable to take flight without repairs, after very few hits if they are still in the air after the first.
Someone will absolutely take this as a challenge.
I bet my ass those drones will have more backdors and vulnerabilities than a public square camera. This shit will be hacked by a kid with kali linux and a hoodie in no time.
I meant some idiot would provoke them with a gun and try to shoot them down, but indeed their security will be absolute shit.
Yay! Bullied tech nerds no longer have to bring their own gun! That's convenient for them.
I'm so glad I'm not a young person in school
Gen Alpha is screwed even more than gen Z
I'm not surprised. The only thing we're good at in this country is making weapons.
That's a bald faced lie. We're also good at producing food with a lot of calories and no nutritional value.
and choosing presidents with no real value.
That's not fair, trump has a lot of value to Putin
and Winnie the Ping!
Challenge any nation in the world to match our advances in deep frying technology. We invented ways of deep frying foods no one else could have ever imagined.
this could only be stupider if they said AI would be used to deploy the drones
While getting into an arms race with school shooters is kind of a ridiculous path, I do wish we would take this opportunity to develop personal force field/shield technology like they have in Dune.
So will these drones be paid for by a gun sales tax or will they just cut more social services?
Let me guess. They also use AI?
it's like the Onion. it's really like the Onion. some of these you go, "hah ! could be the onion !" but this one, it really ought to be the Onion
I'm sure this will solve the problem. And, no chance at all it will be abused, somehow.
/s
Make it make sense. "OH. What's that? You have pneumonia? Here's a bit of cough medicine!" Like brother... that doesn't fucking help shit....
LOL they’re using the DJI Video system on those drones. The antennas are DJI.
And that is the absolute worst thing they could have used. DJIs wall penetration sucks ass and since schools are typically built sturdier than regular houses, they’ll have 2 rooms of nice image that turn into a blocky Minecraft mess right after. They should have gone with a high power analog system since that would give the best wall penetration.
Also, they only recently allowed BVLOS flights in the USA - might be for these things only.
To add to that: those drones can be hacked, but only if you press the WiFi button on the drone itself, since it deactivates that when powered on normally; or if you connect it via USB. Also, if they control it via remote - the DJI remote is worse than ELRS. A 868 ELRS module would be better penetration wise but worse for latency. You can’t hack ELRS remotely, since they are secured via passphrase. If your passphrase is "I don’t like where this is going", you need to install that on the drone and the controller. Any drone with that phrase can be controlled with any controller using that phrase.
Also, the drone in the picture is likely a 3“ cinewhoop. Those are made for lift, not for speed. But even then, the maximum weight of one of those would be 1200 grams. Looking at the pictures, 600 grams could be the battery and about 200 the drone, that leaves 400 grams for deadly things.
I was always terrified of Robocop when I was a kid. What a strange world we live in..
"to stop mass shooters"
hey that guy is posting marx quotes on his facebook! he's a future mass shooter! get his ass!
Lol wasn't that like a I did a thing video?
Honestly there are aspects about this that I like. In the vein of bomb defusal robots being obviously good. But with, you know, current politics and our chronic issues, it just feels sinister.
I guess good since cops would rather all the children be shot than face a threat.
Gonna be some ED-209 moments.
Too bad about Kenny, eh?
I saw Chopping Mall! I know how this ends.
"New Challenge Unlocked!"