Spyke

that's one thing I never truly understood about grievance culture — they are the one group of people who can ignore all this and just piss away the days doing whatever they want, whenever they want to, and instead, they spend their lives destroying their bodies with cortisol.

if I had the confidence of a mediocre white man, I'd be famous.

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WatDabneyreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

My assumption is simply that they're such complete losers - such an awful combination of ignorant, angry and stupid - that being white and heterosexual are literally the only things they have going for them - that they have nothing of any actual value to offer to anyone.

And that's why they rage against "DEI" and "woke" and "race theory" and so on - because if they were to lose the built-in cachet that comes from being white and heterosexual, they'd have nothing at all.

Because yes - if they had anything at all of any value to offer anyone, they could focus on that instead, and pursue it with the built-in advantages of being white and heterosexual. That they don't pretty strongly indicates that they can't.

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my personal experience agrees. I think this is what is powering Qanon as well — a deep, wrestling anxiety over the thought that they might have enabled really terrible things happening around them.

Like, for God's sake, this entire thing started with John Podesta supposedly emailing someone about a "cheese pizza," which is a term that is probably, unfortunately, deeply familiar to anyone who had precocious levels of Internet access in the early 2000s.

Basically, it is not a code word that a 70 year old man would use in 2014, in public email, on the campaign trail. In fact, he was ordering, literally, a fucking pizza for his staff.

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And meanwhile, their hero president is a rapist who was best friends with and a regular guest of the most high profile child sex abuser and procurer in American history.

I would think that much cognitive dissonance would actually be painful.

Maybe it is, and that helps explain their constant misdirected seething rage.

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lemmy.world

That can't be legal.

Not that it would matter under the current administration....

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TommySodareply
lemmy.world

It is illegal and literally goes against the Civil Rights Act. I'd say someone should sue but I have a feeling that it won't hold up in today's SCOTUS, which may actually be their plan.

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lemmy.world

Make them say it out loud. I want to hear all the bigots sing their approval full throated so I know who they are.

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They definitely don't care anymore since they feel there are no real consequences to their actions.

Until they are made to fear for their lives, this will only get worse

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ChicoSuavereply
lemmy.world

SCOTUS is full of DEI hires like that Italian, that black guy, and the drunk.

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shalafireply
lemmy.world

SCOTUS is conservative, not partisan. They've made dozens of surprising, dare I say woke, decisions the last couple of years. I'm certain they would smack this down, and likely never hear it by supporting a lower court who already quashed it.

No one seems to notice, but they do that a lot. They simply refuse to here a case and the vote against is often unanimous, or maybe only those assholes Thomas and Alito holding out.

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lemmy.zip

They've made many others that are blatantly rewriting the letter of the law to mean someone completely different just to give power to their despot

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Yeah, they’re definitely corrupt but the legal world is a weird one in which they sometimes do the right thing for legal reasons.

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shalafireply
lemmy.world

They've ruled against Trump and made so many surprisingly sane decisions many times. It was so weird I started a favorites folder. (That's all I could capture with a screen shot.)

After they kicked Roe vs. Wade, yeah, seemed to get worse. But they owe Trump nothing. They have zero fear of him. FFS, Trump can't fire the Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board, even though it's well within his rights and he hates the fucker. Think he'll openly fuck with SCOTUS?

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And yet they've gone out of their way to either avoid ruling on things they know they'd have to role against him on, it pull out bafflingly corrupt decisions out of thin air on many other issues. Them picking and choosing which laws they're choosing to break isn't that much of a relief

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lemmy.world

It is illegal. But TBF, what non-racist/non-white person wants to fight to live an a town of institutionally racist, toothless, cousin fucking Hicks in Arkansas.

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lemmy.world

I'm just worried about any kids who are forced to grow up in a place like that. The few who wake up and manage to leave will probably have stories akin to those who ran from a cult.

That is, if they manage to leave. :(

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For sure. I just meant who is going to actually bring a challenge to that policy/law in reality. Who has any interest in hiring and paying for legal representation, court fees, etc. to make a judge rule on it?

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Simple! Help them build a wall to keep everyone out (and in). Let them live in their racist dreamland, while you advance to the space age.

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lemmy.world

I'm sure there has to be at least one woke POC somewhere on Earth that has a cousin they really want to fuck.

2

They are using a private organization structure to try to loophole the civil rights act. Of course, it's a violation none the less, just with extra steps.

IANAL, so I don't really know how you'd build a case against them, let alone one that the current supreme court would actually hear (if that case would even get that far). The Supreme Court can absolutely say the quiet part out loud without saying anything, simply by refusing to hear the case. It's also entirely possible that this organization could get struck down by courts at such a low level that the ruling has no substantive effect outside their county or the state.

Fighting bigots has always required grassroots efforts in conjunction with federal support. Remember, the last time a president deployed the National Guard to a state without the governor's (of that state) approval before the recent California incident was when Lyndon Johnson sent the National Guard in to protect the civil rights of students against this kind of institutional racism at the local level. But, as you say, this administration has obviously abdicated their responsibility the rule of law and the rights of most of the population.

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lemmy.ca

It's not a town, it's a chunk of private land that a bunch of racists are going to turn into a whites only trailer park.

This entire comment section is commenting based on a headline only.

Half of you people believe that there is an actual town that is turning whites only. You're falling for fake news as bad as the hunter Biden laptop crowd.

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Juicereply
midwest.social

Oh well as long as we are being racist on private property, its fine. Theres a global housing shortage created by the failure of private property to be a stable basis of a free, rational, and equitable society, but the fomo is too great on a local millionaire car dealership owner giving me a nod of approval for not expressing racist enough views

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lemmy.ca

If you think it's fine, that's your opinion. It has nothing to do with anything that I said.

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Sorry I was doing a bit. I'm not challenging your views because that seems boring, but I am making fun a little.

My point is that stating it is private property, as if that disproves anything, is very funny because it is ironic. It demonstrates the ideological preference for private property over some kind of state-run incorporation, an ideological preference expressed by many people who own no land, nor political influence. Its your happy place where you go while being fucked by the system.

If I'm going to challenge your views, I would ask if you thought about how towns are begun? Can a group of racists just walk up to a piece of land and be like "this is the rock upon which we will build a Chik fil a"? Things take time, organization, risk and political effort. What starts out as some temporary housing on a chunk of farmland ends up incorporated, and looking for investors. Unfortunately for many people, doing actual political analysis requires a concept of time and change.

I would think that someone taking a chunk of private property and turning it into Racismville would be an argument against private property, but instead you made it into dismissal of the risks. Which is about as wrong headed as someone could be since racism is a function of private property relations.

"Don't make a big deal about it" is what racist apologists say to justify racism. I don't think you're racist, you just have some wires crossed most likely, but the lack of understanding of the deeper problems imo disqualifies your views because it shows you haven't really thought about any of this in a meaningful way that connects abstractly defined social forces to peoples lived experience of racism.

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discuss.online

When my husband and I travel through certain towns in Northwest AR, one of us takes our matching wedding rings off, and we're brothers, in case the car breaks down - you want to plan your story ahead.

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Reannleggereply
lemmy.ca

That is sad that you have to do that to feel safe.

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ouRKaoSreply
lemmy.today

Imagine Traveling While Black™, and wondering if it's safe to even stop for food or gas in whatever tiny little area you're in.

It's a lot harder to take off skin than it is a ring.

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MP Diane Abbott has said it "is obvious this Labour leadership wants me out" after the party suspended her for a second time over comments she made about racism.

Labour has launched an investigation into Abbott's defence of a 2023 letter to a newspaper in which she said people of colour experienced racism "all their lives", which was different from the "prejudice" experienced by Jewish people, Irish people and Travellers.

She apologised for those remarks at the time following criticism from Jewish and Traveller groups and was readmitted to the party after a lengthy suspension.

Asked by the BBC's James Naughtie if she looked back on the whole incident with regret, she said: "No, not at all."

In a brief statement issued to BBC Newsnight, Abbott said: "My comments in the interview with James Naughtie were factually correct, as any fair-minded person would accept."

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This reminds me - repulsively - of what Blacks went through in the mid-20th century. I'm sorry for you.

(And as an aside, "Lovecraft Country" by Matt Ruff is a fantastic supernatural horror set during Jim Crow laws.)

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I'm both sad that you have to think that way, but also impressed by the clever thinking; just a ring off and a quick line, and suddenly you are completely different entities in the minds of some other party. Kinda makes ya think how much we construct of someone's identity off of so little information.

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renrenPDXreply
lemmy.world

You didn’t know this? I thought this applied to anybody not cis gendered.

5

Or any white folks who disagree with bigotry, based on my experience being a straight white guy who doesn’t understand why what colour your skin is, or who you love makes you somehow less human.

9

These never stopped being a thing. They're called "Sundown" Towns; if you ain't welcome you'd better be gone by sundown.

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glimsereply
lemmy.world

Texans don't fuck their family. You're thinking Alabama.

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glimsereply
lemmy.world

I offer no explanation for their idiocy, just want to get the stereotypes right. Texans are too busy fucking each other over to fuck their cousins

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lemmy.world

It's wild, because almost every Texan I've met in-person has had a lot of pride in Texas. At college events that included students from most of the states, the Texans were the only ones who started cheering and clapping whenever they heard someone on stage casually say the name of their state. It caught the first presenter completely off-guard. The rest of the presenters quickly learned to leave a pause whenever they said it.

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I didn't really understand it much myself but it's definitely taught to us from an early age and then it just kinda sticks

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Hardly. Texas is "the south", but the real cousin fuckers are to the north and east of it in states like Oklahoma, Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama.

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Vik
lemmy.world

anyone wanna tell this guy that they're not native to america?

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cecilkorikreply
lemmy.ca

The name of the group is "return to the land" they should therefore be hopping on the first flight back to Europe if they're planning on returning to their land. This land isn't theirs to return to.

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Kirp123reply
lemmy.world

"return to the land"

Isn't that just dying? When you die you return to the land.

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Vikreply
lemmy.world

happen to catch what they said? was deleted when I got back here.

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cecilkorikreply
lemmy.ca

The comment I was replying to is basically just asking "why should they care [that they're not native to this land]?"

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Dalereply
lemmy.world

These people think white is Native American

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Unfortunately I didn’t pull this out of thin air. It’s their rhetoric and it matters to them because it justifies kicking everyone else out. If being white means you’re native, then everyone else is invading your land. If being white is part of being truly American, then people of color are not truly American.

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sh.itjust.works

Gross.

And if black folks had a town where they said "no whites", the Pedo Party would be sending the military in there...

Though I do like the idea of towns with zero tolerance of MAGAt morons/ aka republikkkans. Imagine how nice that'd be.

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The tantrum would be epic. Fox would be melting down 24 hours a day until that town was nuked out of existence.

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lemmy.sdf.org

David, a member of the community, told Sky News, “It wouldn’t be controversial for any other racial group to do the same thing.” Similarly, Niki, said people have a “large misunderstanding” about the community, claiming it’s “a loving movement.”

Exclusion is all about love. Didn't you know? I love you so much that I don't want you near me.

Csere also accepted that some would call him and the group racist saying, “I don’t really know or care if that term applies to me or not.”

The only people who don't care if they're called racist are racists. I care if I'm called racist. I know that much.

Let's ask him if he knows or if he cares if the term pedophile is applied to him and see how he reacts. Bet he won't care one bit!

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lemmy.today

there are also white people love to call other POC more racist than they are too.

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To be fair, when have CIS white men ever had power in this country? They're just fighting to get a fair shot, which they've never had. /s

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Aaronreply
lemmy.nz

The Lovings are turning in their graves. This is more of a Virginia movement.

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lemmy.today

We should just call all right-wingers pedophiles. And whenever they voice an opinion, just say "shut the fuck up, pedophile!"

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rozodrureply
lemmy.world

I mean aren't they already? pedophiles and/or sex fiends? it's almost a daily thing where you read a story where "such and such conservative found with computer full of child porn or was found rubbing one out in their church/state office"

if someone tells you who they are, believe them. If someone's entire personality/live is based around "fighting" this stuff be it anti-gay, anti-porn, anti-abortion chances are they've already and routinely do it all.

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Now we should tell it to their faces. Break them down, and crush them. Let them know you have zero respect or regard for them.

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I bet they do feel loving if you're straight, white, christian, and uncomfortable being around anyone who isn't.

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RaivoKullireply
sopuli.xyz

I could see someone trying to spin black etc. only community as "excluding the oppressors" or saying that people are rightfully threatened and stuff like that. And that it isn't racist since it targets whites and racism is only when white people do it.

I've seen some of that in a more wacky communities but would be pretty bold to try that out irl instead of some online community

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dandelionreply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

you mentioned it would be bold for a Black-only community to try to exist IRL, and that's accurate - those communities even when just majority Black without exclusion policies have historically been oppressed and met with physical violence... Same with indigenous communities and so on, turns out white settler-colonial culture is intolerant and violent.

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RaivoKullireply
sopuli.xyz

No I mentioned it would be bold to try to excuse the racism with the mentioned stuff

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dandelionreply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

ah, didn't realize you meant "racism" as meaning anti-white. To be honest I do think the relevant aspect of what makes something racist is the direction of the flow of power.

When a marginalized group is persecuted or oppressed by a dominant group, it's the oppression and power difference that is relevant even more than the narrow sense in which group categories are used to make decisions. This is why affirmative action is not racist, for example.

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slrpnk.net

Look, whoever gets filthy rich doing what I'm about to suggest doesn't even have to pay me. Maybe name a street Octopus Ink Lane and I'll know we have an understanding. That's enough for me.

Here's your money maker:

If there can be a city that isn't going to allow nonwhites or queer folks, then there absofuckinglutely can be a city that doesn't allow magas or registered Republicans.

And all but 77 million of us would love nothing more than to live in just such a city.

There you go, just remember the little folks when you are rolling around in your swimming pool full of cash.

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Their town exists for one reason: to oppress others. The residents of that town will quickly learn that once there are no minorities, they will become the minority.

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its like the liberterian experiment, they soon will find out they have no economy or public services going to the town.

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SirSamuelreply
lemmy.world

So, when someone gets divorced in Arkansas, are they still siblings?

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lemmy.world

I imagine there’s more gay people than they think in their community..

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And if there aren't now, new gay people can be born there. What then?

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IninewCrowreply
lemmy.ca

Just what I was thinking ..... how do you know someone is gay? Unless they tell you, you'd never know.

Sure some gay people are obvious but about half the gay people I've ever known, I would have never known if they hadn't admitted it to me.

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And there are also plenty of people who are gay, but in denial because their religion says it's a sin. Most of the ones who screech the loudest about gay people seem to be in this category.

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Bassman27reply
lemmy.world

It’s always the most vocal homophobes who turn out to be gay.

Or the most adamant about child safety that turn out to be the pedos.

Or the those claiming to be the most successful turning out to be the conman.

Some people be doing to much..

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One of my neighbors is the biggest fucking closet case I've met in decades.

I have literally never heard him talk about anything except gay this, fag that, penis here & there.

No straight man concerns himself with where other men put their penises the way this guy does.

I got so fed up with him one day I said "look just come out of the closet and suck a dick already, everybody knows you want to". He is not spoken to me a single time since then.

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Oh man it's going to be like the reboot of Battlestar Galactica over there except instead of murderous cyborg robots its going to be The Gays.

I'd watch that show. Especially if Edward James Olmos is lead.

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When in doubt, assume anything and everything is a sign of Gayness.
That's how you end up with men too scared to wipe their ass properly.

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lemmy.ml

Eyes too close together. Dumbo ears sticking out. Losing his hair. Behold, the master race!!!

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feddit.nl

Trump administration:

"We hear there's a Wonderful Community starting up in Arkansas, really great stuff, it should be a model for the rest of the country! We're denying all federal aid to any state that refuses to follow the lead of this Wonderful Community!"

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lemmy.world

a private membership association (PMA) for individuals and families with traditional views and European ancestry

tf why are we europeans catching strays again

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lemmy.world

The union is pretty liberal. DW thats THIER view of what a European is. Racist white Christianity. A caricature.

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KeenFlamereply
feddit.nu

Psst, hey, mister, they came from Europe Indians are native to this land, remember? Keep it down

0

I saw an interview with an ex white supremacist. He said most who join will leave, as it's mainly a big sausage fest.

It's nice all these racist homophobe men are all going to live together in the woods, free from women, having fun with their all male (but certainly not gay!) orgies.

Certainly cleans up society a bit :) I wish all nazis would start to live together, isolated from the rest of the world.

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Yeah it's not like anyone in that club was not a racist before they joined. They just got easier to spot, hope this club has an app with a public (user) database...

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wax
feddit.nu

Tell me about your dream mosque

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Horseyreply
lemmy.world

Holy shit, that’s one of the best episodes of television ever lol.

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Seeing the title, "it's in Harrison, isn't it?" Reading the article, "it doesn't say where." Feeling dirty and clicking on the link to their site, "It says Ozarks... And North East Arkansas. Not quite Harrison."

Harrison is well known for being incredibly racist and the K³ capital of Arkansas.

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canajacreply
lemmy.ca

He looks like an ayrian cunt. Inbred for sure. How else can they keep their blood pure? lol

4

That's kinda sad, they legit look mentally retarded. Bet there's legitimate correlation between racism and mental disorder.

2

They keep saying ‘European ancestry’ like they don’t actually mean white only, but that describes a huge portion of people in the US who wouldn’t be considered and don’t consider themselves white. Three guesses on how quick that ‘European ancestry’ interest and solidarity evaporates around anyone who isn’t white, first two guesses don’t count.

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are they even descended from the caucuses in Europe, im pretty sure white russians are. or they want to refer to northern white English or german descent of the UK.

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Good, put all these assholes in these places. Leave the rest of the country to those of us who think both POC, immigrants, and LGBTQ+ are an asset, not a detriment.

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lemmy.ml

I had already seen the article and a video about It. Good let them stay there, then you trap them in their community with no way out. No outside world, no outside food, no outside other tyan their stupid community. See how they like it

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Now they just need to build some tall fences. Not the inhabitants, the people outside the town. put up warning signs and lock the gates

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MrSulureply
lemmy.ml

Who will do the work they don't want to do? I suspect they'll find a societal preference there. How long will it take for Stamford like behavior towards these future "new blacks / Irish / Asians etc. in this phew-topia.

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South Africa already has communities like this. Poor white people do the crap jobs.

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lemmy.world

Are they too dumb to realize that there are Jewish and gay people that are white?

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djsoren19reply
lemmy.blahaj.zone

No, you're too dumb if you think their discrimination stops at skin color.

If you let white supremacists fester for long enough, they'll start attacking each other for being the wrong denomination of Christianity. People who know nothing but hate never stop.

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The boundary that defines the in-group will always shrink unless you push it outwards.

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webadictreply
lemmy.world

Fascists don't consider all white people to be white.

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Fascists dgaf about anything other than preserving their own power. Racism, Sexism, Ableism, they're all flimsy excuses for a means to an end.

5

As a someone with lots of Mc and mac in his ancestory I can tell you it's rather amusing being counter racist to them. Oh you consider us to be the same race? Sorry to break it to ya but according to your WASP predecessors wouldve lynched ya if they knew and frankly speaking I concur.

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It'll be sad when they discover that gay people are coming from inside the house. Was gonna say interesting, but, it probably won't be be the dominant emotion

3

Fucking insane. I wish I could say "Of course it's Arkansas", but I'd suspect this of almost any rural area anymore.

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lemmy.world

At least we can count on getting our pizza delivered in 30m or less. One way or another.

3

Members of the group have rejected accusations of racism, arguing that the group is “not trying to keep other people down.”

Oh sure, you're just securing the existence of your people and a future for white children. Why is everyone assuming you're a racist?

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lemmy.world

Oh. Oh this is a good thing. This actually a great thing!

Like, you're going to have a lot of white supremacists pooled together in an easy to find spot.

I'll let you fill in the rest with your imagination. :)

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aussie.zone

Yeah, I thought we'd have to spend resources to put them in camps but they're putting themselves into camps that can be easily cut off.

4

Who needs camps when napalm and cluster munitions exist? If your indiscriminate enough with it you can even make an area unlivable, I propose we strike Salt Lake City first.

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HugeNerdreply
lemmy.ca

It makes for a Star Trek TNG episode? The one where everyone looks the same because they're clones?

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From their about page:

Goals:

  • To create many independent and fully-functioning parallel societies.

If they could create even one functioning society, i'd be amazed. If it was that simple, it would already be done. Society overall is failing, alright, in the US, but i don't think it will be "easy" to create fully-functioning societies, be they parallel or mainstream.

If they really manage to build a fully-functioning society, i'd be amazed. Such a thing is in high demand nowadays.

1

Worthless shits and their number two must be another Ernst Röhm. WTF, their compound would make a perfect live-fire range for a squadron of AH-64 Apache attack helicopters or A-10 Thunderbolt II.

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DickFiascoreply
sh.itjust.works

That's because you guys control Hollywood and have space lasers or something idk.

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discuss.tchncs.de

mind explaining how?

sigh i know it sounds like ragebait, but if anybody takes the time to actually think about it, would you point out where exactly the logical fallacy lies? you can't convince people by downvoting alone, at least not me. if you think you're right, i guess there's a proper argument to be formulated. i'd like to hear it.

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yeah but i feel like that's not the reason

if a group of women demanded a private space for themselves in a public area, i guess people would be ok with that. why so? why wouldn't the same be accepted if it was instead a group of white people asking that no person of color intrude? isn't both discrimination?

or have we merely adopted a habit of granting women special rights, as a habit of culture? if so, it should be explicitely mentioned somewhere, otherwise our speech doesn't reflect our thoughts.

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The more used to privilege you become, the more that equality looks like discrimination.

Get over yourself.

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as somebody who participates on that community, i agree with you.

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dude i asked a straightforward question for the sake of understanding the logical structure of the argument one might bring up to defeat my point, and you're responding with a knee-jerk insult. not mature of you.

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lemmy.world

That link doesn't work. Also, What's the problem with a women only community? I just won't go there, no big deal.

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discuss.tchncs.de

yeah the post was taken down, apparently

i'm playing devil's advocate and asking what is the difference between a community that is women-only and one that is white-only. aren't both discrimination? and if people can just declare a community for themselves, can't they both do so?

i.e., where is the "law is blind" principle in this?

Edit: JUST TO BE CLEAR, i'm not advocating for white-only communities or anything like it. i'd merely like to understand what arguments one might bring up to counter it?

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lemmy.world

I think both women only communities and whites only communities are okay, so long as they're not bothering anyone else what's the stress? I wouldn't go to a women only community because I'm not one and I wouldn't go to a whites only community because it sounds fucking horrible. But if they're not harming anyone I don't see the problem

Edit Ah yeah sorry you were doing the devil's advocate thing anyway. I should go to bed! G'night

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fwiw, whites-only communities are illegal in my country :canada: (true for any race actually). I don't know if there is a law against women-only communities.

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bitjunkiereply
lemmy.world

Because white isn't a group people typically virtue-signal about.

2

wdym? white supremacists virtue-signal about it. And regardless, I don't think that whether or not one virtue signals should affect policy.

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jsomaereply
lemmy.ml

DM me the banger of the comment and I will comment it for you (assuming it doesn't break the other rules on the sub.) Pretty sure this doesn't break rule 1, since women are allowed to quote men. I'll add a > and ping you to make it clear it's a quote.

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oh the post wasn't about my comment on /c/WomensStuff, it was merely a broader discussion about what kind of exclusion is possible/ethical/appropriate on a public forum.

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