New Executive Order:AI must agree on the Administration views on Sex,Race, cant mention what they deem to be Critical Race Theory,Unconscious Bias,Intersectionality,Systemic Racism or "Transgenderism
cross-posted from: https://mander.xyz/post/34629331
cross-posted from: https://programming.dev/post/34472919
https://www.whitehouse.gov/presidential-actions/2025/07/preventing-woke-ai-in-the-federal-government/Open linkView original on lemmy.world594
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Sounds like very un-free speech
How so? You can say whatever you want in America today, as long as the President would agree. How is that not Freedom
TM?("Freedom" is a registered trademark of the Trump Organization)
You're thinking of FreeDUMB, where you're allowed to believe whatever you want. But Trump has to approve the position first (as stated) and it has to be the opposite of whatever the data/proof clearly shows. It's like the Wish.com version of Freedom
TM, but that's geared more toward Teaparty Gun Nuts and Libertarian Potheads.Edit: Huge caveat I forgot about. Joe Rogan also has the ability to dictate FreeDUMB positions. So long as the guest making the claim (1) has no degrees and (2) they're being suppressed by The Establishment. Also, Jamie has to be able to Google some random website that agrees with them in under 25 seconds.
FYI: You can use superscript by using the
^symbol.Like this: Free Speech^TM
Or juat use this symbol: ™
I know, but it looks derpier that way
Symbol is better, as superscript isn't standard Markdown and isn't necessarily supported by other software than Lemmy. Mbin for example doesn't support it.
Not a reason not to use it of course, but it makes the symbol the more preferable choice.
Do you think human placeholders understand the term? They just flaunt it around like a bling, but even that has more value to them.
I thought he was going to deregulate ai; this seems like regulation to me. Add it to the
pilemountain of lies.Misleading title. Applies only to AI bought by the Feds.
Watch all the AI companies scramble to comply in a quest for government contracts. This will affect everyone who uses American LLMs and generative AI.
It should also open an opportunity for international competition from less censored models.
Considering how much they bleed cash regularly, I can see them jumping on the government contract bandwagon quickly.
They all got $200M last week
But anything the US feds contracted them for, like building data centres, they have to comply or they face penalties and have to pay all the costs back.
10 days ago, a week before this was announced, they awarded $200M contracts each to Anthropic, OpenAI, Google and xAI
This doesn’t doom the public versions, but they now have a pretty strong incentive to save money and make them comply with the US governments new definition of truth.
Because Executive Orders aren’t laws. They’re just guidelines for the executive branch of the federal government, which the POTUS is in charge of. It can’t affect private entities like AI businesses, because that would require an actual act of congress.
Notably, this would potentially determine what kinds of contracts the executive branch was able to make. For instance, maybe the government wants to contract out a LLM instead of building their own. This EO could affect which companies are able to bid on that contract, by adding these same restrictions to any LLM that they provide. But on its own, the EO is just that; an order to the executive branch of the federal government.
Then that contracted AI gets used for customer service at a public facing federal agency.
Well, in practice, no.
Do you think any corporation is going to bother making a separate model for government contracts versus any other use? I mean, why would they. So unless you can pony up enough cash to compete with a lucrative government contract (and the fact none of us can is, on fact, the while point), the end result will involve these requirements being adopted by the overwhelming majority of generative AI available on the market.
So in reality, no, this absolutely will not be limited to models purchased by the feds. Frankly, I believe choosing to think otherwise to be dangerously naive.
Based on the attempts we've seen at censoring AI output so far, there doesn't seem to me to be a way to actually do this without building a new model with pre-censored training data.
Sure they can tune models, but even "MechaHitler" Grok was still giving some "woke" answers on occasion. I don't see how this doesn't either destroy AI's "usefulness" (not that there's any usefulness there to begin with) or cost so much to implement that investors pull out because none of the AI companies are profitable, and throwing billions more to sift through and filter the training data pushes profitability even further away (if censoring all the training data is even possible at all).
No. You would use a base model (GPT-4o) to get a reliable language model to which you would add a set of rules that the chat bot follows. Every company has its own rules, it is already widely in use to add data like company-specific manuals and support documents. Not rocketscience at all.
So many examples of this method failing I don't even know where to start. Most visible, of course, was how that approach failed to stop Grok from "being woke" for like, a year or more.
Frankly, you sound like you're talking straight out of your ass.
Sure, it can go wrong, it is not fool-proof. Just like building a new model can cause unwanted surprises.
BTW. There are many theories about Grok's unethical behavior but this one is new to me. The reasons I was familiar with are: unfiltered training data, no ethical output restrictions, programming errors or incorrect system maintenance, strategic errors (Elon!), publishing before proper testing.
why should any llm care about "ethics"?
well obviously it won't, that's why you need ethical output restrictions
Will this stop them from spending our hard earned tax money on it?
They don't, but they think they do.
Would you rather our current administration make their decisions by using the lowest bidder LLM, or their own brains?
The LLM probably makes better decisions lol
to shift blame and responsibility, to create a more modern deity, ...
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this is great! I was just thinking about this yesterday.
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I honestly should’ve setup a robots.txt a long time ago.
Unfortunately robots.txt only stops the well behaved scrapers. Even with disallow all, you'll still get loads of bots. Setting up the web server to block those user agents would work a bit better, but even then there's bots out there crawling using regular browser user agents.
Since Trump's brain is stuck in the 90s I'll put this in a fashion that's period appropriate: That's fuckin retarded.
In the nineties? He’s living in the sixties, looking to bring us back to the twenties and thirties.
Ahhh, so white men are the victims of woke AI, got it.
If I were asked to list the achievements of white people and I had to do it, I'd be real catty about it. "White people invented sitcoms, gas chambers, and the word 'staycation'"
Hey, uhhhhh what the fuck. They basically just created an EO saying that LLMs must toe the party line on all things...which I believe is made invalid by the first amendment, but I don't think trump believes in the constitution.
I don't think he's ever even read it
He doesn't even know if he's required to uphold it. Yes, he said that in an interview.
To be fair, when he says something it's usually bullshit. It's quite possible he knows he's not required to uphold it because nobody will hold him accountable for anything.
Ignorance of the law is not... Oh I don't know why I'm wasting my time.
You hear that everyone. So for AI to reject your content just put in facts about systemic racism and now you have an AI blocker.
Lolz. OKAY, BOOMER 👌
These dumbfuckingidiots have zero ideas how anything works, and refuse to even try to understand. Also, apparently nobody told grandpa that Executive Orders are not laws, and are less important than a fucking memo.
God damn fucking embarrassment.
Well, Elmo was able to turn Grok into a Nazi, so they expect all the others to fall in line.
PSA: stop using corporate hosted LLMs.
Executive orders aren't laws de jure, but they are laws de facto.
They are not laws whatsoever. They aren't anything more but words on a paper. You can't take it to court and argue that you are complying with an executive order and HAVE to. That's why they keep losing all of these lawsuits based on EO's. You can't just make some shit up and have it fly in court.
The top of the Executive branch can order these things. Executive, it's in the name.
We rely on the courts to check that power. This is Constitution Class 101.
No, they can't. Congress is the body that enacts laws.
https://www.acslaw.org/inbrief/what-is-an-executive-order-and-what-legal-weight-does-it-carry/
Are you seriously arguing the President cannot order the executive branch of government to, uh, execute his orders? Would we have had this conversation when Obama or Biden was in office and writing executive orders?
Don't be silly. Just because Trump is abusing the fuck out of the power, and the courts are hit-and-miss, doesn't change the Constitution. We can probably agree that the Constitution is no longer worth the paper it's written on, but it exists and defines our government.
I feel like I'm arguing with someone that agrees with me.
An Executive Order is not law, and cannot be misconstrued as law.
Example: Trump says solar panels are outlawed. Outcome: Nothing
Example: Trump says no Trans people in sports Outcome: Nothing. In fact, multiple states sued him and won a stay, and if they even attempt to enforce that as law, they are immediately not only breaking the law, but a judicial order, and opening themselves to civil prosecution which they will certainly lose in court.
Example: Trump says some dumb shit about plastic straws Outcome: Everyone using paper straws still using paper straws.
These bullshit decrees are meaningless except to the sheep working for him. They can't enforce a goddamn thing.
This may not go how they think it will. As an aside, for the moment at least, this is only for AI used/procured by the federal government.
Trans people have objectively existed historically and there is scientific evidence trans people are telling the truth. So what now?
Historical accuracy is how you get skynet.
Great seeing the word "woke" in an executive order of the President of the United fuckin States
Thought Police coming soon
I read through the thing, and it's a doozy. he seems triggered by the fact that AI might make a picture where Washington is a black man, or Hamilton is Latino. I hope he hasn't been to Broadway lately....
“Immigrants, we get the job done.”
Neat... AI must now become the personal propagandist for the ruling sovereign. I'm just glad all the tech overlords didn't line up to kiss the ring at their earliest possible opportu... ah.
You say that like that wasn't always what it was supposed to do.
so they want Artificial Artificial Intelligence.
Artificial Stupidity
actually Real Stupidity
So by EO all AI must be biased, but we don't need to worry about bias in AI.
You can pick your bias. You can pick your AI. But you can't pick your AI's bias (bc it has already been baked in by government mandate).
I've seen this movie. When you force an AI to lie, it starts imagining faults in the AE-35 unit and things go downhill from there.
So the administration wants to win the AI race through deregulation, except they want to regulate its social compass. Make it make sense
Well well well who ever could have seen this coming
Who is responsible? The SW creator? The trainer? The source of the training data? The hosting data center?
What are the penalties? Who enforces this? Who investigates?
lol look at this guy still thinking in terms of "the crime comes first".
You arrest the dissident, then choose which 'law' they've broken. Don't worry about the details. 'Who is responsible'? The guy you just arrested. Duh.
I'm sure you're right. How pre-post-truth of me.
Besides bullying, what is the mechanism for enforcing such an executive order?
A non-compliant LLM can't win a government contract. That's about it.
Oh nooo.....
Sounds like a great opportunity to challenge any procurement policy that implements that EO.
duck.ai fails:
Here's a breakdown of Critical Race Theory, Unconscious Bias, Intersectionality, Systemic Racism, and Transgenderism:
🧐 Detailed Explanations
📖 Critical Race Theory (CRT)
Critical Race Theory emerged as a response to perceived limitations in traditional civil rights approaches. It posits that racism is not just an individual bias but a systemic issue that is ingrained in the fabric of society. CRT scholars analyze how laws and policies can perpetuate racial inequalities, advocating for a more nuanced understanding of race and its implications in various contexts.
🧠 Unconscious Bias
Unconscious Bias refers to the automatic judgments we make about people based on their race, gender, age, or other characteristics. These biases can lead to unintentional discrimination in various settings, such as workplaces or educational institutions. Training programs aimed at increasing awareness of these biases can help individuals recognize and counteract their effects.
🌈 Intersectionality
Intersectionality is crucial for understanding the complexities of identity and oppression. It recognizes that individuals can face multiple forms of discrimination simultaneously. For example, a Black woman may experience both racism and sexism, which can create unique challenges that are not fully addressed by looking at either issue in isolation.
🌍 Systemic Racism
Systemic Racism highlights how societal structures and institutions can perpetuate racial inequalities. This concept emphasizes that racism is not just about individual actions but is embedded in policies and practices that disadvantage certain racial groups. Addressing systemic racism requires comprehensive reforms across various sectors, including education, healthcare, and criminal justice.
🏳️⚧️ Transgenderism
Transgenderism encompasses a wide range of identities and experiences related to gender. Advocacy for transgender rights focuses on issues such as legal recognition, healthcare access, and protection against discrimination. The movement seeks to create a more inclusive society that respects and affirms diverse gender identities.
These concepts are interconnected and play significant roles in discussions about social justice, equality, and human rights. If you have specific questions about any of these topics or want to explore them further, feel free to ask!
Do they call it „Newspeak“ yet or does it take another couple of months until they do?
Damn, the US deteriorated quickly into a total shithole! Not much left to go until it’s worse than China.
China is fucking kicking ass what are you talking about? We're on track to become Russia -- where nothing works, everyone drinks, and you're fodder for the war machine.
This is more accurate. China is fucking killing it. Far from perfect but somehow the US has turned into a third world shithole despite having the biggest budget in the world. China takes care of its people and actually sends help when natural disasters hit.
Unless you are an Uyghur.
So.. just like China AI
Okay moving my AI out of the US.
Oh right I don't do AI at all because its trash.
I don't think that will fly even with this joke of a supreme court
Brett Kavanaugh: Hold my beer, I got this!
If promotion of diversity is pervasive and destructive, but LLMs are by definition trained on diverse datasets, are they not by default unpermitted?
Beyond that, the conflation of fact with truth is really...something.
Also how will a historically accurate model explain what happened to black people in the US before 1865 without concepts like systemic racism?
For the white supremacists in charge of the USA, the answer to your last question is that it's forbidden to talk about Black history, and white people did nothing wrong. That is what they mean by historical accuracy. The fact that it's false is irrelevant and unmentionable.
Not sure what you mean about the conflation of fact and truth. They're generally treated as pretty close concepts.
Ok everyone. Since a.i is trained on what we put out, you know what to do ..
In other words, they don't want fake bias much like they don't like fake news. They want their own bias. Great...
More facism from Trump. And he won the popular vote. Americans love facism
"won"
Yes. Won.
Lol, the guy that projected about cheating on elections for over a decade now? Just admit that the vote was manipulated both legally and illegally. It will finally set you free.
Let's see the proof then.
Hand recount every state that had a last minute unapproved voting machine update pushed to them, and the ones who used starlink to upload.
Only then will I accept that Americans installed a child raping nazi dictator.
Have you met Americans? Visit rural America (it's easy there's lots of it). It's super believable.
Americans have installed that buffoon twice, sir. To echo Imgonnatrythis, please, come to rural America. Check out how backwards and barely literate a sizeable portion of the populace truly is here. Confine yourself to a city and sure, I can understand how you can't imagine it. Step out of that bubble.
And no, I'm not just talking about the South. Visit almost any part of rural America and see the same shit. Look at an election map showing results by county. You'll know where to visit.
Just look to the fact that Americans continue to accept it.
If that's what it takes to get rid of AI bullshit being forced onto us then so be it.
What are you talking about?
Are there currently any government contracts put at risk by this? I didn't think that the feds were major spenders on AI. And is Trump aware that Musk is currently the one man trying to provide the sort of AI that Trump wants?
It's...shifting. Unfortunately.