Spyke
lemmy.today

How about a North/South Korea, and an East/West Korea? All four quadrants meet at Panmunjom. You can cross on the diagonal, but never a row or column.

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lemmy.world

We should simply send Japan in to take over the island

That's not a problematic thing to say, right? No historical reason why it would make Koreans incredibly angry?

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We should simply send Japan in to take over the island

Already done. Tho idk how that helps the peninsula.

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An unorthodox way to correct the geographical travesty of Botswana, Namibia, Zambia, and Zimbabwe being less than 200 metres from creating the world's only international quadripoint

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lemmy.world

What if it's upper and lower Korea? Everything above the average elevation of Korea is upper, the rest is lower

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sopuli.xyz

These lines are not straight enough, they appear to follow already established administrative borders. I propose a straight line that completely ignores all this. I think that is the only sensible solution.

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Let's split the difference and have some Brits redraw the lines at random, they're great at it!

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Wtf is that second map?! Krefeld?! Mühlacker?! Eilenburg?! Bad Düben?!

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Let's leave the border the same. But just to spice things up, we'll move all the South Koreans to North Korea and all the North Koreans to South Korea. Then they'll just swap places every ten years. It will so whimsical!

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TheFririshreply
jlai.lu

Man I wish we could have had your input during peace deals.

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Every 10 years the Israelis have to all move to Gaza, and the Gazans get to move into Israel. They trade places every ten years.

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IninewCrowreply
lemmy.ca

lol ... Polka Dot Korea

Then again ... isn't that known as electoral districts in the United States

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slrpnk.net

No we do fractal districts. They get ever more detailed as you zoom in to them. Their border length is theoretically infinite.

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The gerrymandered border slicing through an American's house to isolate its occupants into different districts

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It would surely be much more peaceful. Let's just re-draw the borders and leave everything else. Just look at them spooning lovingly.

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lemmy.world

Israel/Palestine isn't working either, your thoughts?

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Gorkreply
sopuli.xyz

Is-Raël (of the Raëliens) and East Palestine, Ohio

That way everybody is only mildly miserable like the rest of us instead of fully miserable.

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Gorkreply
sopuli.xyz

Yes the lizard god has so decreed it.

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The Raëlians seem fun. Supposedly they have big orgy where you wear colored bracelets indicated what genders you’d like to have sex with. I’m sure there’s some dark and evil shit, like all religions, but that sounds hella fun as long as everyone is of age.

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Get rid of the billionaire financiers running the West Bank. Henceforth, it's the West Credit Union.

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Stop the geonicide by force if necessary. Send all the Europeans, Americans, and Canadians back home. Have trials, then hangings. Return all stolen land/property to the victims (or their descendants) of the colonizers. You know, post geonicide things.

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English chap here: this looks like a fine idea. Nothing could go wrong.

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We're stuck in a rut with cardinal directions

Let's try intercardinal directions,

Northeast Korea and Southwest Korea

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What about all? South-east Korea, South-west Korea, North-east Korea, North-west Korea.

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No joke, I think hypothetically this would disturbance of, and conflict with, wildlife that have come to occupy the DMZ, most troublingly, tigers.

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Let's go Roman with Ciskorea and Transkorea. Maybe it'll give Ms Rowling a stroke.

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A united Korea may be one of the positive side effects of America pooping its pants and deteriorating into a has-been world power. China will have to become World Police, unless it autocrats its way into wasteland as well, but if China can set an example and take a few steps elevating liberty, it could then unseat the Kim family, and allow Korea to just be a nice high-tech industrialized nation littered with chibi animal avatars.

Because DPRK is just a mess. There's also the possibility that China facilitates an invasion of South Korea by North Korea, but Kim Il Sung's grandchildren are unlikely to be as pro-Chinese culture as he was, and zombie rulers can only have so much influence.

Or China can just annex the whole thing, which would be a dick move and expensive and result IRA like troubles (e.g. a decades long sabotage and terror campaign from an internal pro-Korea resistance.) The Daughters of Queen Min, if I were writing the story.

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China has as great a chance (and as little chance) as anyone else. Kingmakers and would be emperors have to make some serious decisions as their nation grows and develops: Do they go the autocratic dictator route and withhold civil liberties, or do they extend civil liberties outward, so that satellite colonies and conquered territories are more tolerant of imperial rule? History teems with examples of both, often from the same empire in different eras.

It's not new, from the tolerance of other religions and customs by Xerxes I to the republic of SPQR. Heck, even France tried constitutional monarchy with the Bourbon restoration, so long as the Napoleonic code (defining civil rights and the rule of law) was preserved. Charlie X decided to stop that civil liberties nonsense and the people of France rolled out the guillotines once again.

This is something I bring up as a difference between the Islamic State as a hypothetical to which Islamists aspire to, and the Islamic State as it is practiced in the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant; the latter clings harshly to Shariah law. Contrast the Iran during the Pahlavi era (the result of famine and revolution forming a new imperial republic) which established a code of civil rights (only US oil interests had to meddle)

China is about to have an opportunity to become the world superpower, or an eastern adversary to Post-NATO Europe, and right now, democracy in the EU and UK are weakened by the same long-term reign of corporatist neoliberal parties (King Log) that are opposed by far-right nationalist movements which are gaining traction... or were until Trump reminded everyone of what fascist autocracy looks like.

If China decides not to develop its humanity and civil liberties game, then those neoliberal parties will last a while longer while drifting to the right, until the nationalist take hold and they have a Big Fat War (not to be confused with WWIII or Nuclear War). But by then, the climate crisis will be extreme enough to make the future too chaotic to predict. This is why China is leading the sustainable energy race (and because Trump kisses the feet of Koch and big oil, the US is reversing course).

This is all backed by the ethics theory of the social contract: So long as the public is comfortable they'll adhere to the laws of the land and play by the king's rules. Suffering breeds discontent and organized resistance.

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The only real way to divide Korea is into Goguryeo, Baekje, and Silla. We can call them North, West, and East Korea though

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Does this mean Busan gets upgraded to capital city status? I think I could get behind that.

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lemmy.sdf.org

only north korea isn't working (but it's not because of the communism ofc, it's... something completely else, okay? and it isn't teh rEaL cOmMuNiSm™ anyways, because that would've definitely worked)

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Logicalreply
lemmy.world

Tbf South Korea has plenty of economic, demographic, and social problems as well. Still miles better than North, but saying that only the North doesn't work is not really accurate.

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Acinonyxreply
lemmy.sdf.org

of course south korea has problems as well, but that doesn't mean it doesn't work. but I think one can objectively state that the north doesn't work, no matter which metric you choose to measure its "success" with. the contrast between those countries is too stark

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mander.xyz

A country competing with Japan for the highest suicide rate cant be described as working for a lot of its inhabitants.

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yeah it's better to live in north korea were you starve to death before you get a chance to commit suicide

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ayyyreply
sh.itjust.works

North Korea doesn’t even claim to be communist. Are you mixing them up with China?

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Acinonyxreply
lemmy.sdf.org

north korea also claims to be democratic, that doesn't mean it's true

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ayyyreply
sh.itjust.works

It’s just really weird that you came up with a reason to spout your pet bogeyman when it wasn’t even relevant.

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