I totally missed the point when PeerTube got so good
When I tried it in the past, I kinda didn't take it seriously because everything was confined to its instance, but now, there's full-featured global search and proper federation everywhere? Wow, I thought I heard there were some technical obstacles making it very unlikely, but now it's just there and works great! I asked ChatGPT and it says this feature was added 5 years ago! Really? I'm not sure how I didn't notice this sooner. Was it really there for so long? With flairs showing original instance where video comes from and everything?
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Why do people bring this up every fucking time?
Because they know it's not accurate and explicitly mention it so you know where this information comes from.
Then why post it at all?
Because they'd still like to know? it's generally expected to do some research on your own before asking other people, and inform them of what you've already tried
Asking ChatGPT isn’t research.
ChatGPT is a moderately useful tertiary source. Quoting Wikipedia isn't research, but using Wikipedia to find primary sources and reading those is a good faith effort. Likewise, asking ChatGPT in and of itself isn't research, but it can be a valid research aid if you use it to find relevant primary sources.
At least some editor will usually make sure Wikipedia is correct. There’s nobody ensuring chatGPT is correct.
Just using the "information" it regurgitates isn't very useful, which is why I didn't recommend doing that. Whether the information summarized by Wikipedia and ChatGPT is accurate really isn't important, you use those tools to find primary sources.
AI seems to think it’s always right but in reality it is seldom correct.
Sounds like every human it's been trained on
No, it sounds like a mindless statistics machine because that’s what it is. Even stupid people have reasons for saying and doing things.
If those people are inaccurately spouting 'facts' from some article they can barely remember, yeah that's pretty much exactly the same output.
Yes, stupid people's reason is because Trump said so, so it must be true
Why post anything? Because they wanted to, the same way you posted something that you felt was worth adding. For me it wasn't adding anything. Nonetheless I answer you. Because I wanted to.
Buddy, it's nap time. Catch you in a couple hours when you're feeling better.
A nap does sound good.
It makes idiots whine
People also say they googled, unfortunately
Not the same thing.
google allows for the possibility that the user was able to think critically about sources that a search returned
chapGPT is drunk uncle confidently stating a thing they heard third hand from Janet in accounting and then taking him at his word
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John Smith wrote at 12:28 on Friday
At this point, ad blocker is pretty much mandatory for me, just like how antivirus software used to be a decade ago (probably more)
PLEASE DISABLE YOUR AD BLOCKER! We use the revenue from annoying you to feed our starving CEO!
Can't wait for them to be starved. Does installing two adblockers speed up the process?
They are? This is why you use a pop up blocker…
I love that fair and balanced opinion. I hope he is running for an office I can vote for. /s
but at least your drunk uncle won't boil the oceans in the process too
How dare you, my drunk uncle is completely capable of boiling the oceans! He was even boasting about it at our last family dinner!
noone boils the ocean with using chatgpt
one transatlantic flight produces the same amount of CO2 as 600000 ChatGPT requests; if you use Quen 2.5, you need to make nearly 2 mio. requests.
To set this in relation, transport only for Bezos wedding in Venice equals about 54000000 ChatGPT requests.
Using a LLM once in a while is negligible.
You’re giving people using google too much credit.
Unfortunately now Google is ChatGPT. It provides its own shitty AI answers, and its search results have been corrupted by an ocean of slop.
I assumed it was bwing used the current common usage for using a web search, like how kleenex is used for any facial tittle, not literally Google the search engine.
Speaking of literal, Google is putting Gemini results before search results, not using chatGPT.
People before ChatGPT thought critically of things on Google as much as they do ChatGPT today.
People before facebook thought critically of what they saw on the news as much as they do facebook today.
Sure, people didn't think about things too much at any point in time and sources aren't always perfectly reliable, but some sources are worse than others,
Also you: "why do people bother to mention when information comes from ChatGPT"
Ai's provide you with links so you can use your critical thinking
Do you click on the links?
If they are links from the search, isn't that just the same thing as doing a regular search and verifying the results?
What does this extra layer add other than an unreliable middleman who is extremely inefficient?
But don't you see? It allows the corporations to insert their opinion into the answer and bias you before you click that link. That's better right?
You are correct. AI can give an a completely different answer than its source and they can just blame it on AI. This is true but Google has sway the results given depending on the individual. Obama talks about this and how it contributes to the extreme divide of people of the US.
It steals content from creators while being worse for the environment at the same time. Not the same thing, it is worse.
I worked in education in computer science and basic usage in nearly every age group. When you realize how bad people are at using search engines, you can see why people think they accomplished something using AI. It's like giving a child a calculator saying he can do math now.
Creating search prompts itself is a skill. You wouldn't think so until trying to teach some one logic through search prompts. It is hell, literally my hell. Some people just don't get it like 0 percent.
Differentiating what is a good source and what is a bad source is an even harder skill. People will believe what they want to believe. Google search adapts to the bias of individuals because it keeps people searching. This is why, even though it isn't perfect, engines like duckduckgo are important.
"I used chatgpt"
Honest answer? It's easy and it won't judge you for asking stupid questions.
Edit - people are replying as if I said I do this. I'm sorry for the confusion. I don't. This is why I see other people do it. When it comes to the general population, most people don't care, they just want easy.
Search engines and Wikipedia don't judge you for asking stupid questions either.
You're right, but they take actual thought and effort. People who use chat gpt don't wanna do that.
Almost all content has been hyper-optimized to rank well on Google, not to provide good answers for humans
No it'll just hallucinate shit that'll make you look dumb when you go and state it as fact.
Yep, agree. That's why I don't personally use it.
Because people are dumber than chatgpt.
It also proves we don't have a 50/50 split in intelligence. We need to look at the mean, then we'll see most people are just plain fucking dumb
Also, lazier. I'm more likely to stick with information from the first 1-3 search results I decided to click, while AI will parse and summarize dozens in fraction of time I spend reading just one.
I asked Gemini, and my browser crashed, so, idk, man I guess it's knowledge too powerful for human minds to contain.
I think it's because it causes all of Lemmy to have a collective ragegasm. It's kind of funny in a trollish way. I support OP in this endeavour.
Even the small local AI niche hates ChatGPT, heh.
How would you phrase this differently?
"It looks like this feature was added 5 years ago."
If asking for confirmation, just ask for confirmation.
So, your solution is for the user to provide less information and then respond to people to inform them if they used chatgpt if asked?
It just seems like much less reps are used if they say they used ChatGPT.
Additionally, if they don’t say it and no one asks, in the future people might look for a source, at least this way there is a warning there might be misinformation.
I know what your going to say next, they should research the thing themselves independently of ChatGPT, but honestly, they probably don’t care/have the time to look up released notes over the past few years.
Why would anyone ask where they got the info if it is accurate?
The point Is that it might not be accurate. It’s like saying, “a friend told me…”
It lets the reader know that the information being shared was presented as truthful, but wasn’t verified by the commenter themselves.
Apparently the feature was added 5 years ago.
So, your solution is for the user to provide less information and then respond to people to inform them if they used chatgpt if asked?
It just seems like much less reps are used if they say they used ChatGPT.
Additionally, if they don’t say it and no one asks, in the future people might look for a source, at least this way there is a warning there might be misinformation.
I know what your going to say next, they should research the thing themselves independently of ChatGPT, but honestly, they probably don’t care/have the time to look up released notes over the past few years.
My partner describes her bowel movements to me when she returns from her daily ablutions.
This is the golden age of misinformation and you are bitching about citations?
what do you mean? it's like being angry that people bring up I googled something
Googling at least until fairly recently meant „I consulted an index of Internet”. It is a means to get to the bit of information.
Asking ChatGPT is like asking a well-behaved parrot in the library and believing every word it says instead of reading the actual book the librarian would point you towards.
Well now it's as if half of the books in the library are written by the parrot. The librarian doesn't know the difference, and keeps trying to make you speak with the parrot anyway.
I use it instead of search most of the time nowadays. Why? Because it does proceed to google it for me, parse search results, read the pages behind those links, summarize everything from there, present it to me in short condensed form and also provide the links where it got the info from. This feature been here for a while.
And it still gets shit wrong.
It's all good, Lemmy users are strongly anti-ai and are genuinely learning right now that chatgpt, mistral, perplexity etc can search the web
Let's just keep adding more and more layers like a game of telephone!
What do you mean?
Go ask chatGPT
We aren't any a. I. We just ain't lemmings.
I use a I as an inspiration. That's all it is. A fancy fucking writing prompt.
You use AI for writing prompts? That's pretty cool, a lot of people use AI for writing prompts, a lot of writers say it's great for getting rid of writers block
google: I checked the listing of news sites to find information about a world event directly from professionals who double check their sources
chatGPT: I asked my hairstylist their uninformed opinion on a world event based on overheard conversations
I mean a moron could find the wrong information from google and your hairstylist could get lucky and be right, but odds are one source provides the opportunity for reliable results and the other is random and has a massive shit ton of downsides.
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John Smith wrote at 12:28 on Friday
Lots of legitimate concerns and issues with AI, but if you're going to criticize someone saying they used it you should at least understand how it works so your criticism is applicable.
It is useful. Chatgpt performs web searches, then summarizes the results in a way customized to what you asked it. It skips the step where you have to sift through a bunch of results and determine "is this what I was looking for?" and "how does this apply to my specific context?"
Of course it can and does still get things wrong. It's crazy to market it as a new electronic god. But it's not random, and it's right the majority of the time.
Right: it skips the part where human intelligence and critical thinking is applied. Do you not understand how that's a fucking problem‽
Could you try to understand what I'm saying instead of jumping down my throat?
If I want to turn off a certain type of notification in a program I'm using, I don't need to sift through three forum threads to learn how to do that. I'm fine taking the AI route and don't think I've lost my humanity.
It might be wrong more often than you think
https://futurism.com/study-ai-search-wrong
IS wrong
Ftfy
Besides the other commenter highlighting the specific nature of the linked study, I will say I'm generally doing technical queries where if the answer is wrong, it's apparent because the AI suggestion doesn't work. Think "how do I change this setting" or "what's wrong with the syntax in this line of code". If I try the AI's advice and it doesn't work, then I ask again or try something else.
I would be more concerned about subjects where I don't have any domain knowledge whatsoever, and not working on a specific application of knowledge, because then it could be a long while before I realize the response was wrong.
In this study they asked to replicate 1:1 headline publisher and date. So for example if AI rephrased headline as something synonymous it would be considered at least partially incorrect. Summarization doesn't require accurate citation, so it needs a separate study.
OK but google (or ask your AI?) about AI accuracy. This isn't the only source saying theres a problem with the answers.
LLM's have been able to search the web for a few years now
The main one outside of ChatGPT is https://www.perplexity.ai/
You can also look at hosting your version with Local LLM's:
https://olares.medium.com/building-a-local-perplexity-alternative-with-perplexica-ollama-and-searxng-71602523e256
Looking up a list of resources that you then evaluate yourself is very categorically different from getting an "answer" from a bot.
Wanted to say: No, according to Wikipedia global search launched in 2020.
But that actually was 5 years ago, damn.
Getting older... There's a creaking in my bones... 2020 was 5 years ago...
Don't listen to them 2020 was like last year. Also the 90s was ten years ago don't let anyone tell you different.
I never experienced the 90s...
You're only 10 years old?!
I see the delusion takes precedence. I respect it.
When I hit the mid-40s, I realized I was running into at least five things a day that turned me into the "man ages 50 years in five seconds" meme from the end of Saving Private Ryan.
My kid turns 17 next year. I can still feel him as a baby snuggling and sleeping on my chest, he was so tiny.
Nothing drives home the march of time like seeing that.
Wow! I can't even imagine that... It sounds a little depressing, but also really awesome and a true privilege to witness someone grow up.
2018 is 7 years ago is fact that haunts me everytime I come across any "7 years ago" YouTube video
I have to say I think Peertube itself is good, but the content still isn't there yet. Of course we all know that's because there isn't cash to be made on Peertube
Counter point: I dont want to watch content that has a monetary incentive behind it.
Why exactly do you think people create content for you to consume in the first place?
Sharing knowledge. Lots of people are not primarily motivated by greed.
That’s great to aspire for but there’s still an almost total lack of content in many genres I enjoy on YouTube. I don’t even think PeerTube has progressed as far as the Lemmy community in terms of content availability. Admittedly this is probably because text and image content is much easier to create, but as a user I don’t find much reason to spend time there yet.
So if you don’t want a monetized model, there is still a need to have another solution to the lack of content, and I haven’t seen one yet.
What kinda stuff do you like on youtube?
https://lemmy.wtf/post/15810205
(thanks again to @[email protected] for maintaining this awesome list)
Not the person you're asking, but I mostly watch craft stuff, particularly 1:12 scale dollhouse miniatures and sewing. The most recent video I could find that was even remotely relevant is several months old and about a different kind of miniature.
Best you can do is ask some of these content creators to also post their videos to PeerTube.
PeerTube has built-in syncing of YouTube channels, so it’s fairly easy once it’s set up.
What content have you produced for free? Do you consider yourself greedy when you cash your work paychecks?
I know first hand that making content is a lot of work
I've made and shared plenty of 3d models for the 3D printing community. People can certainly make it a job, and that's perfectly reasonable. But, I will never be interested in a community of for-profit model makers. If their goal is to make money off me, it's not a community, I'm just a customer. The point of the community is to learn and share information, to help people and be helped in return. If that time is 'work' for you, don't do it. Or make content and sell it on YouTube, do what you want, I'm just not interested in it.
of course... but plenty are. When you see kids at school saying they want to be content creators as a job you know it is only going to get worse. I never said it was right or wrong but it is exactly what it is for a large percentage of people. Also can't get past the fact that like googling something, watching a video on youtube is literally in peoples vocabulary
I don't want to watch the people who aspire to do it as a job. They saw some influences online who are profit driven and think they can get similarly rich. Many see it as an easy job (it's not).
I want to watch people motivated by their thirst for creativity and sharing knowledge, and if money comes their way they will see it as secondary. I would prefer them to do something else as a job.
Wanting to get paid for your work, so that you can keep making stuff, is in fact not the same thing as greed. We have this assumption that everything on the Web should be free, or at least helped along by donations, but it's not sustainable.
Should teachers stop making money too?
Of course not but some may do free workshops just because they feel it may help their community.
I don't work for free either but if my neighbor needs a new alternator or cabinet door fixed I will help/ show them how to fix it.
Most creators just ask voluntary donations for very few exclusive or temporary exclusivity
Makes sense
Humans love sharing new things with each other, its part of our social structure and how we ensure our own survival. Its as natural as hunger or thirst.
Same, and it's weird to me that so many people now believe that they deserve to be paid for participating in their hobbies.
Got me thinking about how YouTubers get money. According to a quick web search, YT pays $0.01 to $0.03 per view. So if you release 10 videos a month, you made $0.10 per viewer. But Patreon memberships are typically around $5.00 a month, equivalent to $0.50 per view in the same scenario. Of course Patreon will take a cut, but it is still a lot more money.
So, if a lot of your viewers think your channel is good enough to donate to, ad money basically becomes an afterthought. In this case, the only advantage of YT over PT is discovery, i.e. the number of viewers likely to find your videos in the first place (but there's also more competition on YT, so...)
Some good points I hadn't considered!
I don't think this is realistic, most people will not open their wallets, especially since they can't just go around paying a monthly subscription to everyone they watch. Even if their Patreon earnings were higher, I doubt their YouTube earnings would be insignificant.
Dead Meat starts at $1 per month not $5, they have 23,300 paid members. But their YouTube looks like it gets millions of views per month (you don't only get views on new videos like you suggested, but old videos can get lots of views too as you build up a back catalog). And this is a channel that I found by doing a Google search for most successful YouTube Patreons.
Wow their YouTube has 2.97 billion views
I think 1 cent per view is on the high end for YouTube
Some instances have different ways of making money. TILVids for example shares money from donations with the creators. Theres also support buttons that help creators out. As well as ads on some instances as themes. Most are just nonprofits trying to do good in the world.
Its not as popular for the same reason your on fediverse, the interface allows anyone without ads to see your videos. The insentive does not always need to be $$, it most cases, its community building.
Also the iOS app is pure shit. Can’t even filter by language.
If ChatGPT said it was added five years ago, that means it was added anywhere between 13.8 billions years ago and never.
That made me exhale. But using the age of the universe as lower bound is already giving chatgpt too much credit
Chatgpt is wrong BTW. But yeah its been there for a long time.
Why the fuck do people ask ChatGPT for shit like this? ChatGPT doesn't know facts. It's a magic 8-ball with more words.
Asking chatgpt can be super useful to get info. I just don't understand why people don't try to verify what it says before just re-posting like fact.
For basic fact checking like this, it's basically useless. You'd have to go look it up to verify anyway, so it's just an extra step. There's use cases for it, but this isn't it
Explain AI in 10 words or less:
It depends on what info you're trying to find.
I was recently trying to figure out the name of a particular uncommon type of pipe fitting. I could describe what it looked like, but had no idea what it was called. I described it to chatgpt, which gave me a name, which I could then search for with a normal search engine to confirm that the name was correct. Sure enough, search results took me to plumbing supply companies selling it, with pictures that matched what I described.
But, asking it when a particular feature got added to a piece of software? There's no additional information one would get from the answer to help them confirm that the answer is correct.
ETA: The above strategy has also failed me many times, though, where chatgpt gives me information that follow-up searches only confirmed that chatgpt hallucinated the answer. Just wanted to say that to reinforce that you have to assume it's hallucinating until you get independent confirmation.
You should use something like perplexity instead that actually provides links to where it found the information. It will still make shit up but at least it's easier to tell when it is.
Sometimes it's nice to know where you even start, then verify from there.
Why bother even using CGPT when you have to go elsewhere to verify everything it says anyway?
It depends on the type of facts, but sometimes it's much easier to verify an answer than to get the answer in the first place. For example sometimes the LLM will mention a keyword that you didn't know or didn't remember and that makes googling much easier.
The only thing it's useful at is shit that isn't necessary.
We had a P&Z member at the city I work at get butthurt because we corrected him at a meeting, so the city manager asked me to write an apology letter to him.
That was the one time I loved ChatGPT. It was bullshit that didn't need to happen that I didn't care about and achieved nothing, so I let the fucking bot write it.
https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/releases/tag/v2.3.0
ChatGPT is correct? The irony of people confidently asserting that ChatGPT is wrong, while being wrong, seems to be lost on the crowd here. Kinda makes you understand why ChatGPT is often so confident even when wrong.
LOL at this point I just assume that anytime someone cites it. It's infuriating that people seem to think it knows dick about shit. Just mass disinformation, I guess.
I asked chat gpt
Lol
The spirit is there
I asked ChatGPT and it thinks OP made a humorous comment
"I asked ChatGPT" and my post got 180 replies 🔥
We used to post pictures of beans on Lemmy and get five hundred replies
Doing the Lord's work!
I must be doing something wrong or using a shit instance cause I can't find one at all but everytime I go to peertube (and I"m not searching just locally) I see like 3 videos get posted a day, most of which are videos about Lies of P or car videos. LIke there's no content.
so...what am I doing wrong?
Either poorly-federated instance, or you look in the wrong place? Here's a good one: https://peertube.wtf/videos/browse?live=false
thank you! yeah I was using peertube.tv and thinking "this can't be it" other than that I tried Dalek Zone and got frustrated with finding anything on that. This is much better thanks.
PeerTube is essentially a whitelist. If the instance admin has not enabled automated federation, you probably won't find much. That's why I recommend using a third party interface like GrayJay or Pipeline. Although unfortunately neither one supports signing in at this time, so you can't interact.
Same. Can't find shit to watch. Can't figure out how to add any instances, either. The "add an instance" button appears to be missing in the app or I'm just retarded and doing it wrong.
You asked ChatGPT and thought it gave you a correct answer…? 🤣
For real though, Peertube is awesome now. Live streaming works a treat, so many plugins and add ons that make it great. Not to mention it now has its own app which is great.
It did give the right answer...
It did not, it was added 4 months ago, not 5 years ago:
https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/releases/tag/v7.1.0
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/PeerTube
https://github.com/Chocobozzz/PeerTube/releases/tag/v2.3.0
Sepia search is a cross-instance search engine, but it was never integrated into the actual Peertube UI until recently. Which made is extremely inconvenient. Pretty sure that is what OP was talking about.
If OP asked when global search was implemented the answer is 5 years ago. If they asked when SepiaSearch became the default index then sure, ChatGPT was wrong, but I'd bet they asked the first question
No one said anything about the default URL. It's the default search engine, as opposed to only searching locally.
Agree to disagree, I suppose.
I updated my weird wording but.. you and they said something about the default [index] URL
How are PeerTube instances funded? I'd imagine that the cost of running an instance is significantly higher than a Lemmy instance.
Depends on the instance and activity levels. I run a very small one on my own, and it costs ~$10 each month for server rental and b2 storage.
If I was running it on a broader scale, it would start to add up, but I mostly wanted to help with federation and reliability, and that’s fairly inexpensive.
Itd be nice if there was a way for ppl to rent their own channels off an instance rather than a whole instance, since that instance gets expensive hosting it by yourself, built in way like a 1$ a month a channel could cover hosting costs maybe
Depending on the size of your uploads, that could cost a whole lot more than $1.
Depends entirely on the instance. Mine runs on the same server with a bunch of other stuff so virtually nothing.
GrayJay also supports adding PeerTube instances:
https://pluginhost.grayjay.app/peertube?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpeertube.futo.org
Not my experience, still hard to me to find good quality and interesting contents on it. A problem i don't have on pixelfed, so it's not about the lack of algorithm
Yeah, it's not really all that deep in content yet.
Looks promising though
Yeah I finally made an account and there is more than enough here to satisfy my mealtime watching needs. Still not a lot of content when compared to the mainstream platforms, but that reminds me of all the fediverse offerings a few years ago.
I feel like it's only a matter of time before there's enough on peertubes to keep me off the mainstreams almost entirely.
Take a look sometime at the top videos of ![email protected] or https://piefed.social/f/fediversevideos to see some great videos! Creators all over the fediverse.
One of my favorite videos on fedi: https://videos.elenarossini.com/videos/watch/2909e4a0-6424-4a74-a936-d15812268a3c
I myself host a peertube instance and its pretty easy to use.
Any interesting video recommendations?
I think some urbanism/public transit-related channels are in the PeerTube, like RMTransit for example.
https://video.canadiancivil.com/c/transit/videos
RMTransit will stop making videos though, he and NJB talked on the Urbanist Agenda podcast about it.
My experience hasn't been as smooth. The global search seems dependent on instances, some are better than others. And playback across instances is hit or miss.
With that said, usage entirely local to the instance is flawless and speedy, which is nice.
I don't even remember a time when PeerTube wasn't federated. For as long as I've been using it, that's been kind of the point.
Is peertube compatible with owncast. Like can you see owncast streams on peertube
No.
Just wondering how can you earn money on peertube? There seems to be one channel dominating the site Transport Evolved.
Not everything has to be about earning money.
Early youtube was beautiful precisely because it was normal people making videos as a hobby, not trying to earn money.
True, but in order to make it a healthy viable alternative to centralised platforms then there needs to be a financial incentive for creators to use peertube. I guess any creators who give a shit about this kind of thing could upload their content to both platforms, but doing so could have an impact on their YouTube earnings.
It was also a novelty as it as very new, but the quality of content being put out now is significantly higher than it was in 2005.
Youtube doesn't pay shit except if you're uber consensual anyway. Most youtuber I follow earn their money with sponsorship.
I would say the production values are significantly higher, but the quality is significantly lower.
Most people have Patreon or Kofi or any other external donations system
With sponsorships, like on YouTube?
but after youtube has taken it's cut and share of the creators there isn't much left. This is the chicken and egg situation
YouTube doesn't/can't take a cut from sponsorships. which is the point they were making. That's where the money actually gets made. That or Patreon / streams.
you can't really.... being federated and no ads kinda ruins that idea as it is hated by many
PeerTube is not a site. It's software. Much like lemmy. Different PeerTube instances will feature different channels.
All the same ways you earn money on YouTube, minus AdSense. But obviously a lot of people aren't in it entirely for the money. I upload videos there just for fun.
I tried it about a year ago and instantly dismissed it, not one video that I found slightly interesting.
Even after reading this Im not going to try it again because it was just that bad.
I missed the part where that's my problem.
::: spoiler spoiler Sorry I just wanted to say that. :::