This guy sold fake vaccine cards and injected kids with saline so they thought they were vaccinated.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/13/doj-utah-doctor-covid-vaccines
https://edition.cnn.com/2025/07/12/politics/doj-drops-charges-against-utah-doctor
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So that's either assault if the patients didn't know it wasn't the vaccine and/or forgery of health documents. So once again covering for criminals
It's so fucked up. Imagine you went to vaccinate your kid and the doctor lied to you, injected them with saline. Then you go out believing your kid is immunized.
Those people should definitely sue the fucker and his employer in civil court for child endangerment. If you can't get justice then at least take everything he has. Also that way Trump and his cronies can't let him get away with it again.
I think this was in collusion with the parents. But you don't want the kids to spill beans so they still get an injection (and are kept in the dark about things that are important for their health).
Its fraud. In many cases this would be insurance fraud. Why health insurance companies aren't going after him is beyond me.
In the US, the ACA limits insurance company expenses and profits to a fraction of their actual, delivered care. They get paid more for providing more care, and it doesn't matter whether that "care" actually reaches or benefits a patient. They're fine with fraud, as long as it doesn't grow so fast that they outspend their revenues. Gotta ride the wave of costs rising fast enough to justify next year's raise, but slow enough to hold on to this year's bonus.
These guys claim that as much as 20% of private insurance payments are fraudulent.
If they complain for that one, then they won't get to use AI to deny treatments. Small cost for bigger profits
No it's not, it's actually completely legal.
Apparently
All Americans should be quarantined for 2 weeks when they enter another country until they get their shit together regarding vaccines. Especially the oligarchs.
But we don't get guaranteed sick days or vacation, so our time off is generally too short for that and possibly unpaid! AND we don't have healthcare, so how are we supposed to get vaccinated! It's like you value your own lives and well-being above my right to visit your country, and I don't think you understand that you're speaking to an American right now. You people should be worshipping the ground I walk on because the money I spend there as a tourist is singlehandedly keeping your way of life afloat!
/s if that wasn't clear.
And he never said thank you! Not even once!
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Criminals gonna criminal
Exactly what should be expected from electing someone convicted of 34 felony counts of fraud
Also: How 'bout those Epstein files Pam?
What Epstein? There is no Epstein, that person has never existed and all his files have never existed either. Come, comrade, you need some reeducation
Gave them a choice? Is that how we are spinning his crime? America is a a joke.
I gave them a choice between shooting or stabbing, so all charges should be dropped your honour.
Laws (like medical ethics, apparently) do not exist.
It's no hyperbole that we're witnessing the dismantling of a (however flawed it was until now) democracy and Rechtsstaat.
But of course the people who helped usher it in dismiss us as "libs panicking, lol" and will once again complain bitterly in one, two or three years from now that "nobody told them it was going to be that bad".
Only for the select few.
This is what you voted for protest-non-voters.
But there's peace in Gaza and Russia went back to their original border...
Trump admin when they actually find medicare and medicaid fraud.
In cases others, like me, thought he was acting alone when reading the post.
Let me get this straight... While MAGA was talking about the vax hoax, some people got saline and probably honestly though "shit maybe it doesn't work" because of him??? Ya fuck that guy and Pam and anyone else involved.
JFC, US, WTAF.
When sentences just aren't sufficient anymore.
I'm efficient in expressing my flabbergasted disgust!
Did any of the people getting water shots die of covid? If so, state charges of murder should apply.
I thought this was about abortion until I opened the post
Bruh :(
I think we just need to convince Trump that this is the filmmaker Michael Moore and he's back in trouble
No fraud charges? Medical malpractice? Fabricating official records? Endangerment of those people's families and coworkers and other people in public spaces (where was their choice?)
Im sorry(not sorry) but we were all supposed to believe that multi billion dollar pharmaceutical industrial corporations all of a susden cared about the health and well being of working class people and were benevolently giving us these life saving vaccines for free out of the goodness of their hearts when on any other day outside of the covid-19 pandemic they would be just as happy to lay back and roll around on a bed with millions of dollars in hundred dollar bills strewn across the top and let the working class and poor die from inability to afford and access proper medical care?, I am far from rightwing, but i didnt get vaccinated I haven't even gotten a Flu vaccine In probably 15 years now and I haven’t had the flue in those 15 years once but the last time I took an influenza vaccine shot I definitely got the flu soon after.
Turning the mistrust of pharmaceutical corporations and the ultra rich into a right wing partisan issue was some really low effort media narrative manipulation to skirt around the reality that the pandemic was caused by right wing politicians trying to ignore that covid existed and do nothing about it to maintain the profit margins and keep the wheels of capitalism moving at all costs when even a small amount of prophylactic measures taken early could have worked wonders and prevented the majority of the deaths we saw and even any need for a vaccine at all. And then we were supposed to believe the virus came from a bat at a wet market near a lab that was specifically working on corona virus mutations and not the lab. But now the CIA even admits that the wuhan Lab origin is the most likely scenario as to covid 19’s origin. But sure lets rush this vaccine out and blame anyone that didn't want to take it for the continuation of its spread instead of those in power who were obviously the most culpable for this fiasco. What a quick and easy way to manipulate the narrative and shift blame from those in power who obviously mishandled this pandemic to the working class who were always powerless and at the mercy of the whims of those in power making the decisions that resulted in things going the way they did.
Let the downvotes come.
Covid 19 affected old people the most.
Most rich people are old.
Covid 19 was new and didn't have established treatments, making it deadlier even if you were rich.
Therefore, it was very much in the self interest of said rich old people for the general population to be vaccinated and the virus kept under control from spreading, as even they have to interact with humans.
Oh, and this?
Has the same energy as "I've never worn a seatbelt and never gotten into a car accident" energy.
The flu vaccines are also against the deadliest flu strains, not all of them. If you got the flu, you got a regular kind because eventually you were going to get the fucking flu one day.
I'm summary, you're an idiot who doesn't know how vaccines work, and can't even conspiracy right - that's why you're going to be downvoted.
Did I ever make this into a conspiracy? No, I just don't trust rich people, and yeah the government paid so they still profit and if we got student loan debt relief the government would pay too out of the same tax dollars. So it’s just funny what they prioritize and how they shift blame. It was literally the greed of the rich and capitalism that caused the covid pandemic to blow out of proportion the way it did but as soon as they rolled out the vaccines (which were not even that effective and phizer scientists said were less effective than natural antibodies) they shifted blame from those in charge to poor people who didn't want to get the vaccine for whatever reason. Fuck rich people I don't trust them one bit they have destroyed the us dollar to the point where most millennials and every subsequent generation will have to work till we die besides the few of us who get an inheritance large enough to cover the remainder of our existence.
And saying that “i havent taken the flu shot in 15 years and the last time i took the flu shot i got the flu” does not give off the same energy as “ive never worn a seatbelt and i haven't gotten into a car accident” because as i said I had the flu, when i was a kid I used to get it at least once a year and then when i became an adult i stopped getting influenza vaccines and I haven’t has the flue ever since.
As far as vaccines In general go there is a difference between the polio tetanus, and other long standing vaccines that went through rigorous testing and met high standards and the covid vaccine which was definitely rushed and even though we were told whatever they did to make us feel safe taking it I think people have legitimate reason not to trust rich people who literally profit off of the death of the poor. And on top of all that there were phizer scientists who said that natural Immunity was much more effective than the covid vaccines. And also how many boosters are we on now? Are they going to just roll out daily boosters for covid? And I noticed you didn’t say anything about the wuhan lab covid origin being more likely than the infected wet market bat meat.
Cool story, so idiotic, mostly.
Like I already mentioned, it's not relevant whether the virus was a lab leak, natural, an alien attack, or engineered by lizard people. It doesn't matter that the rich me it worse because of greed, or that a fascist regime downplayed it at first.
What matters is the disease ended up spreading and killing people, and a vaccine was made to reduce the chance of death. The rich funded it even further because it interests them to not die either, or cause mass civil unrest from a ton of people dying. Not that complicated.
And you still don't know how vaccines work. You just clarified it further with your flu commentary. Your immune system apparently reacts very well to vaccines is the irony of it all.
The reason I won't discuss with you further after this comment, is because, and I'm quoting, it's like "playing chess with a pigeon". In that it'll result in the pigeon knocking over the board, and then cooing like it won.
My understanding is that the US government bought the initial batch of covid vaccines and paid to have them administered. Then it switched to insurers paying for it with no out of pocket cost while the uninsured have other programs subsidizing it. It's a similar situation for other vaccines like the flu. The source company isn't eager to administer it out of some sense of altruism. They are getting paid, it's just not by the recipient (or at least very indirectly).
And the ones paying don't have to be acting altruistically either. For the insurance companies, they are motivated to incentivise preventative care because it's a fairly cheap known cost compared to the risk of a members catching the disease. For the government, it pays to have healthy citizens working and paying taxes. And representatives get to tell voters they care about their health to the point of offering vaccines for free.