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Marjorie Taylor Greene Announces Bill To Tackle 'Weather Modification'

Writing on X, the Republican politician said she was creating legislation that would make "the injection, release, or dispersion of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere for the express purpose of altering weather, temperature, climate, or sunlight intensity" a felony.

"I am introducing a bill that prohibits the injection, release, or dispersion of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere for the express purpose of altering weather, temperature, climate, or sunlight intensity," she wrote. "It will be a felony offense."

She added: "We must end the dangerous and deadly practice of weather modification and geoengineering."

Marjorie Taylor Greene Announces Bill To Tackle 'Weather Modification'https://www.newsweek.com/marjorie-taylor-greene-weather-modification-bill-2095076Open linkView original on lemmy.world
lemmy.ca

I am introducing a bill that prohibits the injection, release, or dispersion of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere for the express purpose of altering weather, temperature, climate, or sunlight intensity,”

So carbon dioxide? Guess we better shut down the coal power plants. MTG says so!

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fedia.io

Alas "express purpose" is in there. Clearly the express purpose for petrol companies is profit. And CO2, other pollutants are just inadvertent things that happened on the way to (destroying the planet for) profit. I mean they only sold the petrol products, they didn't force people that purchased the gasoline to burn it. Maybe we can go after the combustion engine producers?

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So one could say they hobby at creating potassium iodide, but its expensive to pay to dispose of, so I dump it out of the back of an aircraft that was hired. There was no intention of actually seeding the clouds and making it rain, right?

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All pollution?!? Make all pollution illegal?!?!?

That’s what it is, right?

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injection, release, or dispersion of chemicals or substances into the atmosphere for the express purpose of altering weather, temperature, climate, or sunlight intensity,

I'm sure I've seen MTG breathing on her hands in cold weather, which falls into the above perfectly.

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lemmy.world

She will get reelected by the citizens of northeast Georgia because they vote.

Do you?

(More of a comment to the average reader, not an attack on OP)

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She'll be re-elected because her district is very white, very rural, and very disinformed by sources like Fox News, Newsmax, and conservative AM talk radio. On the rare occasions that the democrats bother to run someone in her district they tend to get less than 30% of the vote. And, if there were ever a danger that the seat might be close, the borders would be adjusted to ensure it stays safely Republican.

The problem goes much deeper than voting or not voting.

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tburkholreply
lemmy.world

I honestly can't tell whether her intent is to block any counter-climate change projects or if this is just a dumb chemtrails thing.

I mean, I assume it's chemtrails, given the source, but it could easily be a "I like the smell of forest fires, and you'll reduce hurricane intensity over my dead body." Given the source.

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THEY will tell you when YOU broke the law. Then "deport" you to a private funded prison in a foreign country.

They embrace the invisible. You have no defense against their claims.

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sh.itjust.works

If this unintentionally regulates greenhouse gas emissions I’m going to laugh so hard.

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Express purpose probably saves them. The express purpose is to vent externalities

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It would be beautiful if this dimwit bumbled her way into making the world a better place....but we're probably in the wrong timeline for that

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lemmy.world

This is performative ignorance, to please the home schooled bible toting cretins who vote.

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This is awesome. Do it. What’s gonna happen when the contrails don’t disappear? Who are they gonna arrest? Gonna have to stock up on popcorn because the theatre of the ignorant is about to get really interesting. Finally a piece of legislation I can get excited about.

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chiliedoggreply
lemmy.world

This is a bill to arrest people trying to prevent climate change.

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While geoengineering isn't really something that has been tried yet, it's actual purpose if done would be to address climate change. Albiet, not really prevention but more in a canceling out some of the symptoms sense.

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Geoengineering is a field dedicated to exactly that - mitigating climate change by modifying solar input and so forth.

Basically, the Republicans have been shooting the environment and now want to ban tourniquets and sutures.

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lemmy.world

All the fucking stupidest people. Every goddamn idiotic conspiracy theory is getting a pipeline straight to mainstream news outlets and a rep in government now. Instead of some stupid Bircher literature or having to stand out on the street and screech nonsense at passerby who could just ignore the crazy people...

I am seriously wondering when the moon landing denialists and the flat earth morons and the HIV-denialists will get their day of representation, too.

We already have the anti-vaxxer dumbfucks, the Qanon loons, the evolution-denying dipshits, what else is missing...? How about David Icke level bullshit about lizard people?

JFC.

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mercreply
sh.itjust.works

I am seriously wondering when the moon landing denialists and the flat earth morons and the HIV-denialists will get their day of representation, too.

What is it about this current admin, and the secretary of HHS that makes you think that today isn't already that day?

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Well, I mean, literally getting that representation on that particular issue. Like when Marge is repping the HAARP and chemtrail type of nuts.

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lemmy.world

So go after the bullshit corpos releasing megatons of co2 into the atmosphere

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That's not for the express purpose of altering the weather. That's just a lucky happenstance for ol' Marge.

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lemmy.world

It's that psudo-science anyway? And I think only done in the rich parts of the middle east.

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You can totally blast a cloud to make it drop out of the sky. I'm pretty sure we figured that out before airplanes

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It's not pseudo-science. The science behind it is solid. But, weather is very chaotic. It's known to work to a certain extent, but it has relatively minor effects, it's very unpredictable, has unpredictable side effects, and is fairly expensive. All you're really doing is slightly boosting the formation of ice crystals in the clouds by adding a material that will hopefully produce more nucleation sites. It works in a lab, but how well it works up in the atmosphere is unknown. It probably does something, but it's very hard to get an estimate of your "bang for the buck".

For example, Beijing tried it during the 2008 Olympics to reduce the chances of rain during the Olympic opening and closing ceremonies. There was a moderate chance of rain predicted to happen during the opening ceremony. The government launched more than 1000 rain dispersal rockets, and it didn't rain during the opening ceremony. Did the rockets disperse the rain? Or did it simply not rain because that's not how the clouds developed. Who can say?

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I mean, technically we’ve been playing around with cloud seeding and such which is about the only thing I can think of that would even come close to what she is talking about. But it’s by no means a common occurrence.

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feddit.nl

I'll rotfl my mao off when this law will turn out to accidentally punish fossil fuel and chemical companies dispersing chemicals or substances into the atmosphere and altering weather, also known as climate change.

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lemmy.zip

You just know they won't touch those companies because how else are they gonna get their bribe money?

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I bet some megaMAGAmorons will embark on a quest to prove their nonsense right... and in the end find out it was the same companies that polluted the air, water and soil whos CEOs are buddybuddy with their beloved leader...

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Laws aren't auto-enforcing magic. Any time that fossil fuel companies violate this stupid law (written for purely performative reasons) it simply wouldn't be enforced.

Similarly, if the law allows for civil action, a multitude of reasons would be conjured on demand explaining why the lawsuit couldn't move forward against fossil fuel companies. If it managed to move through district courts, it would simply wind up on the supreme court docket and they would again conjure up some reasons why the suit was invalid.

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lemmy.ml

I thought she'd prioritize dealing with sharknado attacks but there we have it.

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You're a genious. That is hilarious and my only upset is that I didn't think of it myself.

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lemmy.world

Maybe they'll unintentionally outlaw pollution like when the Republicans accidentally legalized cannabis in 2018

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Sadly, all it will take is some CEO to publicly state "I didn't intend to pollute the environment. I dumped dangerous chemicals into nature because I wanted more money. Yes, I knew my actions would modify the weather, as this legislation states. But that was not my express purpose. My purpose was to be able to afford my 17th yacht so my peers would accept me."

Perfectly legal.

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lemmy.world

Marjorie Taylor Green is such a waste of resources.

Ugly, dumb and vile.

And I bet she stinks.

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I can see how people in the future could turn this one around on to oil and plastic companies. We should probably not stop this one.

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She's attempting to ban Geoengineering. From Wikipedia:

Geoengineering (also known as climate engineering or climate intervention) is the deliberate large-scale interventions in the Earth’s climate system intended to counteract human-caused climate change.[1] The term commonly encompasses two broad categories: large-scale carbon dioxide removal (CDR) and solar radiation modification (SRM). CDR involves techniques to remove carbon dioxide from the atmosphere and is generally considered a form of climate change mitigation. SRM aims to reduce global warming by reflecting a small portion of sunlight (solar radiation) away from Earth and back into space. Although historically grouped together, these approaches differ substantially in mechanisms, timelines, and risk profiles, and are now typically discussed separately.[2]: 168 [3] Some other large-scale engineering proposals—such as interventions to slow the melting of polar and alpine ice—are also sometimes classified as forms of geoengineering.

Some types of geoengineering present political, social and ethical issues. One common objection is that focusing on these technologies could undermine efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Effective governance and international oversight are widely regarded as essential.

Major scientific organizations have examined the potential, risks, and governance needs of geoengineering, including the US National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine,[4][5][6] the Royal Society,[7] the UN Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization (UNESCO),[8] and the World Climate Research Programme.[1]

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All this is gonna stop is cloud seeding, since that is literally the only way in which we manipulate the weather.

Well... On purpose, I mean. If this has the side effect of outlawing all greenhouse emissions because it's altering the weather in form of making shit hotter, that's a win.

Edit: Also I am reminded of the time some PR lady for HAARP said the array can manipulate the weather because, technically, it could punch a hole in clouds directly above it. Which I thought was just stupid, even as a joke, because they were trying to squash the rumors that it was some kind of hurricane machine.

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You know it ain't. This is her trying to ban some conspiracy theory non existent weather device, just like the space laser she was crying about a couple years ago.

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What's the worst that can happen, farmers face droughts and companies can't allow relief due to legality so the crops just die and we have food shortages? I mean that just hurts the farmers and the non-rich... So no fucks they will give

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lemmy.zip

I haven’t read the article or comments yet. Just the post title. I am afraid of the amount of brain cells I am about to lose. I’m going in, will update in a moment.

Edit: what the fuck did I just read. A new bill to stop a conspiracy theory? MTG is dumb as a stone and I can’t comprehend how she is still in office

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Kickforcereply
lemmy.wtf

Could the bill be used to base measures on that help combat climate change? Sometimes idiots are actually useful.

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Could it? Possibly. Would it? Probably not. At least not with big daddi T/ republicans in office. They deny the effects of pollutants in the atmosphere so there is no weather modification taking place (according to them). Considering that trump is taking away tax credits for solar and wind and is increasing leasing and tax credits for oil, gas, and coal industries I don’t think this bill will provide much benefit for the climate

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MTG is dumb as a stone and I can’t comprehend how she is still in office

Her voters are dumber than she is.

That's how she is still in office.

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lemmy.world

Oh for fucks sake…. How can one woman be some incredibly dense?

She probably heard somewhere that is why there were flash floods in Texas because some evil genius is punishing “real Americans”.

The ironic thing is the GOP constant bashing of clean, renewable energy and promoting fossil fuels and coal really is affecting the weather, just not in a very predictable or controlled way.

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This is the same moron that has long believed that the Jews control space lasers that manipulate the weather.

I am surprised it took her this long to make a move.

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I mean who else wants to hurt God loving Texans other than the radical left? No one that's who. The radical left is lying to you about climate change so they can hide their secret Jewish space lasers and punish anyone on the right for speaking out. Like, if you're on the right you're not even allowed to speak anymore, at all, about anything. It's always the left agenda this, or left agenda that, bo one listens to the right anymore. The radical left terrorists have bullied the right with fake climate change so now when there's a national disaster the left can come out with their conspiracy theories about climate change when we really know what they're doing. The left terrorists hate America and want to destroy it by making more natural disasters, and making them more serious then lie to your face and call it climate change when it's really them who are causing natural disasters to change in our climate to silence the right.

Hopefully obvious that is parody

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Are they literally just laying the groundwork to frame Democrats for weather modifications so they can blame all of climate change on us and create a modern day witch hunt? Seriously? How the fuck is anyone stupid enough to believe this shit?

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How the fuck is anyone stupid enough to believe this shit?

The American "education" system... that's how. Conservatives paid good money over the decades to build this level of general stupidity.

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These people are dumb as rocks. There are also similar elements in GA like Kandiss Taylor(stupid name) beginning their political careers also proclaiming that Climate Change is fake but also suggesting that unprecedented weather conditions must be the work of external forces presumably also blaming the jews.

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lemmy.world

Thats what I'm understanding. Finally someone willing to take on the Fossil Fuel Industry

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I’m half considering drafting a thank you letter for her efforts to take on Big Oil and friends.

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Seriously fuck this idiot and the idiots who voted for her. Just a disgraceful embarrassment. Then again so is work, so I get it, but have some dignity.

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Geoengineering… like fracking?

Or like building man-made lakes and tunnels? What about digging a pool in my backyard?

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Wonder if this could be used against fossil fuel or chemical companies. The only words that would need to be dropped is "express purpose"

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lemmy.ca

It's because MAGA is spreading conspiracies that geoengineering is to blame for the Texas flood.

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This is sadly the correct answer. Performative legislation for Alex Jones droolers.

The real thing it actually does 'ban' in practice, is where after having done absolutely nothing about CO2 emissions, we would turn the sky white forever to keep the temperature from going to +3.5°C to +10°C so that it's still possible to grow some crops outdoors somewhere and everybody doesn't die. That's still a couple of decades in the future; China and Australia will probably agree to do it and whatever's left of the US by then will have no say in the matter.

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lemmy.world

It doesn't make sense, they should just say those people angered some God and leave it at that, they're followers are fucking morons.

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At this point she is trolling with legislation, this is not even legislation for financial profit, she is just doing it to fuck with the minds of people that support green energy transition against climate change. Pure malicious glee. I hope she faces mob justice at this point.

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lemmy.world

There is a nugget of 'truth' here:

https://csl.noaa.gov/news/2023/390_1107.html

I can't find my good source on tis, but there are very real proposals to seed the arctic or antarctic with aerosols to stem a runaway greenhouse gas effect.

It's horrific. It would basically rain down sulfiric acid onto the terrain; even worse than it sounds. But it would only cost billions, not trillions of other geoengineering schemes I've scene.

...And the worst part is it's arctic/climate researchers proposing this. They intimately know exactly how awful it would be, which shows how desperate they are to even publish such a thing.

But I can totally understand how a layman (maybe vaguley familiar with chemtrail conspiracies) would come across this and be appalled, and how conservative influencers pounce on it cause they can't help themselves.

Thanks to people like MTG, geoengineering efforts will never even be considered. :(


TL;DR Scientists really are proposing truly horrific geoengineering schemes "injecting chemicals into the atmosphere" out of airplanes. But it's because of how desperate they are to head off something apocalyptic, and it's not even close to being implemented. They're just theories and plans.

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lemmy.zip

"Scientists." I wonder how many are sponsored by fossil fuel extractors?

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No, you misunderstand; it’s a sound scheme. I wouldn’t be against it.

…Which just underscores how horrific of a situation we are in. It’s an akin to “okay, a meteor is coming; what about this plan to deflect it into the arctic?”

Fossil fuel companies are lobbying for the “everything is fine” propaganda, not geoengineering schemes that indirectly reinforce how dangerously unstable the planet could be.

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Nobody wanted that. She thawed naturally with global temperatures rise.

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And thus more time and money is wasted...

Wasn't there some doge tip site where Americans could post this?

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lemmy.world

Can you guys please try to elect some people that will actually do the job they are voted on to do instead of waste everyone's time and accomplish nothing. Tearing shit down is incredibly easy, building shit up takes decades. You ha e severely fucked yourselves over and destroyed all the work of the past 50-75 years of being a country in the modern world. Y'all are fucked and still talking about the next vote like it even fucking matters anymore. America is fucking gone man, you just don't realize it yet.

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Grassreply
sh.itjust.works

gotta shoot them. there's no other way. they have tried all the peaceful options already multiple times each.

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You don't shoot them. You gather in large mobs and take them out of their houses and burn them or hang them or decapitate them in public. There has to be "due process" by the law of the land, otherwise it's just nutsos with guns killing people. Mob justice is rarely the answer, but in cases like this it's the only thing that will work. You also can't bank on your compromised justice system to punish these people, they built the system so they can't be.

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AlexLostreply
lemmy.world

It would have helped to not elect complete idiots, but I digress. Not worth having a conversation with an imbecile.

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They are coming after your 'chemtrails'. What a whacky weirdo bunch. Nothing better to do than chase imaginary windmills. MTG really needs counseling, perhaps meds, as she appears to be living in a made up world with little to no relationship to the actual world we all live in.

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Nothing better to do than chase imaginary windmills

And Taco is going to try to kill any real ones, too.

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jlai.lu

Could MTG accidentally tackle climate change ? that would be amazing

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Voroxpetereply
sh.itjust.works

Unfortunately, this bill would actually do the opposite. While expert opinion seems to vary on the subject of geoengineering and its attendant risks, it might become a necessary tool for tackling climate change. The standard theory is that we could disperse aresolized materials at high altitudes that would increase atmospheric albedo (reflectivity) to reduce the amount of sunlight absorbed by the atmosphere. This wouldn't be permanent, but it could buy us time as we work on decarbonizing.

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lemmy.ml

Here's a head full of sailboat fuel. It’s amazing she can even remember to how to breathe.

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Perhaps she is powered entirely by her parasympathetic nervous system, brain included

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God I hope she goes out riding a MAGA weather balloon into the sunset, never to be seen again

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Oh goodie, more we get to suffer more of Marjorie Karen Green's delusional stupidity. I love living in the Fascist States of America.

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I goes the water misters to lower temperature at the likes of Disneyland would be illegal under that wording. They’re emitting a chemical (water) to explicitly lower the temperature via evaporative cooling.

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lemmy.ca

Cool

Injection of sulfuric acid into the atmosphere (and maybe other solutions) may, at some point, be a requirement for humans and the entire biodome to survive global warming. It won't fix it, but it may delay it enough for us to apply other solutions.

But fucked up mtg of course wants humanity to die out so here we are

It's amazing to see how many stupid people are out there

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Tbf, if it comes to that, any nation or cooperative group of nations can do this without US law doing a damn thing.

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Depending on how climate change turns out for some regions, they will definitely come back to the topic of weather engineering. No rain for a year or two will do this for you.

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Would this... proposed legislation... mean that SpaceX will now be prohibited from flooding LEO with Starlink comsats?

Loading the upper atmosphere with ozone-destroying aluminum and other heavy metals as those things fall out of orbit, not to mention rapidly increasing light and RF pollution, definitely qualify as an uncontrolled geoengineering experiment, albeit one whose effects were known before launch. I could go on about the deleterious effects of these orbiting swarms, but - the ball's in your court, Congresswoman Greene.

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They will be happy to ban space exploration actually. Half of them believe there is a firmament there anyway.

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So if I pray to God, and ask him to send a hurricane to Mar-a-Lago, and he actually does, that's allowed?

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fedia.io

Holy shit, the broken clock and I agree on something for once! Contrails are water vapor and CO2, both of which alter temperature. If she wants to ban them, then by all means.

I am curious how she expects to control for lake and sea evaporation, but I’m interested in hearing her ideas.

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It's in her phrasing of it.

"for the express purpose". In other words... we can turn the world into a hellscape to power cars, data centers",

you can build a machine that causes a category 5 hurricain in the middle of the desert for the purpose of producing 1 ice cream cone, so long as you describe the "express purpose" to make the ice cream cone. But if you make a machine that's primary purpose is to stop a hurricane, that's where it becomes "geoengineering", so yeah in short this is basically to prevent all the hypothetical solutions to climate change.

Hell it wouldn't shock me if they were then to argue say carbon filters in coal plants, or things to mitigate polution, could be "geoengineering" because the whole point of the filters is to prevent climate change, while the actual polution is to make products or power to sell.

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