You might not be saying that if/when someone who represents your interests gets into power. Remember, we got the ADA, Civil Rights, and more through widespread protest action. Things will continue to happen.
I don't think any amount of discussion with you on this subject is going to change either of our minds on the federal government. I'm just gonna assume you're a leftist and have your own approach to getting shit done that I'm not engaged with and wish you a good day.
Take a picture of the shit and add it to the expense report. Make sure you notate that you did not keep the gift and instead rescinded ownership to your boss.
When I worked for a major database company they made me take annual training to explain that I wasn’t allowed to buy sex workers for potential clients.
That’s true, but this directs them to the owner anyway, which is the same thing. It just goes to someone else. If this was actually anti-bribery policy, gifts should not be accepted full stop.
There is usually a common-sense bar where this is applied though. Some items on that list would for sure apply, but in that case the employee should politely decline, not hand the goods over to the owner. I'd like to think that's fake. But, I can imagine that it's very real somewhere.;
Once a user came into our office on the verge of tears. Her notebook wouldn't boot and she thought that meant her thesis was lost.
Didn't make a backup either.
But luckily it was the mainboard that quit and not the SSD. So we were able to decrypt it and get her up and running again. After we told her to make a backup next time, she was so happy that she wanted to give us money. We refused.
Come next day, she stormed in, without saying a word. Just threw a pile of candy and a handful of soft drinks on our table and ran off before we could do anything about it.
Thats a great feeling.
I did extremely low level tech support for other students while at uni. in 2003
(Think issuing user names, filling copy paper, sorting out storage space allocation on the shared drives.) Small part time job that paid for boze.
A girl came in with a 3.5" floppy disk on the verge of tears and said she couldn't get the file on it. It was her master thesis and the only place she had stored it.
We still had floppy disk drives and I slitted it in and used a dos shell to acess a: but nothing. No disk in drive.
I took the floppy out and noticed that the metal protection of the actuall disk (that soft plastic circle) didn't slide properly. To me it looked like the spring was just to worn and had no tension. Took it off and could then access the files on it. Error was that the spring wasn't able to slide the metal protector away when inserted into the reader.
Copied the files to her "home" area, sent a copy by email and gave her a new floppy with the files and told her about the importance of back ups.
The sheer look of relief and gratitude was priceless.
Obviously not. You order it to go, sit there awkwardly while the client eats, then bring the box of cold food to the manager who the gives it to the owner eventually.
We need to start recognizing corporate greed as a mental disorder. This is a company large enough that employees don't interact with the owner directly, and all the profits from the company aren't enough for the owner: they also want the pen the delivery guy gave you. It's a sickness.
Yeah the word he spelled came from Hindu meaning garden apparently. Or Africa meaning creative. No ties to America I could find. I guess they sound close
Been with several companies that have the first part in their policy. It makes sense to avoid, or at best minimize an external influencing factor in company activities. Basically they don't want to mess with lawsuits. That's what company policy is for, protect the company.
The rest is owner greed. He doesn't want the gifts to stop, he wants them all without doing anything to get them. Either enforce a 'no gifts, period' policy or let people do what they will.
When you work in certain fields there are strict laws around accepting gifts from customers or clients. None of those laws allow the business owner to steal them from you.
Myself and another guy went to a tech junket that was by invite only and they gave away a laptop to one person from each company who attended. My boss tried to take the laptop from the other guy saying "that was a gift and you need to turn it over to me"
I'd already cleared it with our corporate conflict of interest ombudsman - if I'd accepted it, it would have been an issue because I had purchasing authority, but other guy was "just" a tech who couldn't sign off on anything or even make recommendations to anyone other than me, we didn't have an existing business relationship with the vendor, and we're not obligated to conduct any business with them as a result of the gift.
I told my boss to take it up with head-of-department (whom I'd copied in on the ombudsman comms.)
Other guy kept the laptop, and boss got 'audited' for gifts received (they pulled his emails) and was demoted into a position he wasn't able to handle (more technical than he was capable of, but on paper should have been able to do) and pushed out of the company soon thereafter.
Last company where I faced external suppliers, I had to take a training where they said we couldn't accept any item worth more than like $20, except food or alcohol during a presentation. But we could accept such items on behalf of the company, and they would be raffled off to a random employee. One time a guy in purchasing got a giant brass horse head from a Chinese supplier. I guess nobody signed up for the raffle, so it became a permanent fixture in the cafeteria.
Usually these things will just say you can't accept such items because it could be considered a bribe or at the very least unprofessional. And here we have an asshole straight up saying "give your bribes to me!"
I'm just thinking of all the times customers offered me food and drink while servicing them as an internet service installer. You gonna take all my Dr. Pepper and tacos, too, boss? How 'bout I leave 'em in a pile on your desk after I'm done?
My company forces everyone to take a training that must be repeated every year, teaching us that we have to always refuse gifts because of corruption and collision collusion laws.
Best start having takeaway cups at home next time somebody comes by to install something, just in case they need to take the gift which is my offering of coffee or tea, to their bosses...
When I'd get stuff, I'd always offer it to the employees first. My employees used to encourage vendors to show up to get free stuff. I'd let them get whatever they could. One employee got free night vision goggles.
Yeah, I’m a manager and I fully encourage my staff to take tips and gifts even though it’s against company policy. If a client offers a tip, I normally respond with something like “I don’t take tips, but if you and the part-timer want to to walk around the corner where there’s no security cameras, I’ll stay right here so I don’t see any money change hands.”
The part-timers need the money more than I do anyways. $50 won’t make a huge difference to me, but could be the determining factor in whether or not the part-timer has enough gas money to get to class next week. Plus they’re the actual boots on the ground making sure the day-to-day runs smoothly. I’m just doing paperwork and hanging out in case any big issues pop up.
This is probably one of the few places my job doesn't do it horribly.
Any gifts that aren't perishable get saved up and then before Christmas we do a grab bag type thing where we all take a number and pick a "present" from the swag we've been sent.
The only way they do it "wrong" is that the perishables (usually cookies) always go to the office and we never get them on the factory floor! I want cookies DAMNIT!! Lol
My office is bad about the cookie thing too. My office is split across two different buildings.
I have worked here for several years, and we only found out a month ago that the main building has free bagels in the break room every Monday morning. The main building never bothered to tell us, because it’s donated from the local bagel shop as a “there until they’re all gone” situation. And the office drones in the main building didn’t want to share, so they just never told any of us in the secondary building.
We only found out because the bagel shop wanted to do an event in our secondary building. The main building was extremely pushy about us making sure it went well, and offered a bunch of free shit too. We finally chatted to the bagel shop owner about how odd it was that the main building was so invested. She casually dropped the “oh that’s probably just because of all the free bagels we send y’all every week haha” type of comment.
Did some digging, and sure enough the owner sends like a hundred bagels over to the main building every Monday morning. She always assumed that they were sharing, because it’s way too many bagels for just the primary building… But it turns out the employees over there were just hungry hippo’ing the break room table and taking like six bagels home every week.
gifts are given to people who help you out and appreciate your efforts.
all this does is tells employees that customer satisfaction isn't a concern and they only have to make sure the customers are satisfied enough to not complain with zero effort to reward employees that go above and beyond the role.
if you work in a place like this, wake up. you're a cog in an orphan grinding machine.
Not saying a business/person wouldn't try to do something this shitty, but this seems like such a low effort thing to fake. Literally just a word doc printed out and duct taped to a wall.
If you're in the USA, please feel fee to photograph and submit to NLRB for review. They like it when the guilty type it up and post it.
Nlrb is dead in the trump era. Rip
State Labor boards should be largely unaffected, and are usually the ones to actually punish the offenders anyway.
Federalism for the win I guess
except for the federal part
You might not be saying that if/when someone who represents your interests gets into power. Remember, we got the ADA, Civil Rights, and more through widespread protest action. Things will continue to happen.
the US federal government is literally a bunch of nazis, how on earth do you think that's going to be helping people?
I don't think any amount of discussion with you on this subject is going to change either of our minds on the federal government. I'm just gonna assume you're a leftist and have your own approach to getting shit done that I'm not engaged with and wish you a good day.
Have vendor take you out to lunch.
Walk into bosses office and regurgitate the lunch onto their desk.
Profit?
Make sure the vendor buys you a nice boozy drink. Some top shelf whiskey or something. Bosses love top shelf whiskey.
And make sure you get something that looks absolutely repulsive after you vomit it back up. I'd recommend a Greek Salad, extra feta.
Take long enough and you can just shit on the boss's desk, slap down the paper, and ask for a "thank you" for bringing back some lunch.
Take a picture of the shit and add it to the expense report. Make sure you notate that you did not keep the gift and instead rescinded ownership to your boss.
Take a picture? How are they going to smell or taste it? Either shit at work and don't flush or shit on the floor at work if you want to flush.
For good measure, you should skip breakfast and make sure you have a big lunch.
No reason to give your boss any of your breakfast tho. That's on your time.
Let's be fair: by that stage you should probably also draw some blood and leave it there.
Wouldn't want to unwittingly be keeping from the boss the nutrients from that free meal.
Some companies would tell you not to take gifts in case they look like bribes
When I worked for a major database company they made me take annual training to explain that I wasn’t allowed to buy sex workers for potential clients.
Ootl...did the catapult incident involve a sex worker?
I'm even more ootl. What happened?
Were there multiple catapults, as well?
Oh, so only one sex worker was involved in the catapult incident. The rest were no incident.
My handbook at work specifically bans buying illicit drugs for customers with the company card.
It doesn't say anything about buying it with my card and getting reimbursed though...
Make sure the dealer gives you a receipt.
Duh, buying them would be capex. No one wants to do depreciation. Short term lease with a damage clause.
This guy businesses.
"buy"
So renting is not an issue! Or as a Service....
So many options left. Next time I talk to big red I'll ask the rep about his interpretation of this training.
;)
...it feels like they told you whixh sex workers not to hire.
That’s true, but this directs them to the owner anyway, which is the same thing. It just goes to someone else. If this was actually anti-bribery policy, gifts should not be accepted full stop.
One place i worked at collected all gifts and had a lottery at Christmas, where employees could win them. I feel that's a fair way to deal with this.
Oh that's neat! I bet it could get out of hand though at a particularly high dollar company
There is usually a common-sense bar where this is applied though. Some items on that list would for sure apply, but in that case the employee should politely decline, not hand the goods over to the owner. I'd like to think that's fake. But, I can imagine that it's very real somewhere.;
In some type of job it is even illegal
Pretty sure I just got
anti-briberyethics and compliance training that said no one in my company is allowed to accept such gifts lolYeah we had that training. Not that anyone ever offers me bribes anyway.
It's like all the lies about the drug dealers giving kids free drugs. Never happens.
Same
usually, you're supposed to turn down the gift, this is just wrong
I've heard stories of clients giving gifts getting pissed when the wrong person claims them, so it's risky for not just legal reasons
The only time I've ever had to agree to anything like this in writing was when I worked for a publicly-traded company.
Once a user came into our office on the verge of tears. Her notebook wouldn't boot and she thought that meant her thesis was lost.
Didn't make a backup either.
But luckily it was the mainboard that quit and not the SSD. So we were able to decrypt it and get her up and running again. After we told her to make a backup next time, she was so happy that she wanted to give us money. We refused.
Come next day, she stormed in, without saying a word. Just threw a pile of candy and a handful of soft drinks on our table and ran off before we could do anything about it.
Fuck you, boss. That's our candy now.
Thats a great feeling. I did extremely low level tech support for other students while at uni. in 2003 (Think issuing user names, filling copy paper, sorting out storage space allocation on the shared drives.) Small part time job that paid for boze. A girl came in with a 3.5" floppy disk on the verge of tears and said she couldn't get the file on it. It was her master thesis and the only place she had stored it. We still had floppy disk drives and I slitted it in and used a dos shell to acess a: but nothing. No disk in drive. I took the floppy out and noticed that the metal protection of the actuall disk (that soft plastic circle) didn't slide properly. To me it looked like the spring was just to worn and had no tension. Took it off and could then access the files on it. Error was that the spring wasn't able to slide the metal protector away when inserted into the reader.
Copied the files to her "home" area, sent a copy by email and gave her a new floppy with the files and told her about the importance of back ups.
The sheer look of relief and gratitude was priceless.
The whole story just warms my heart.
Heroes definitelly don't always wear capes!
I would simply refuse all gifts rather than give them to the owner.
Better to just accept the gifts for yourself and let them fire you. I imagine a juicy wrongful termination suit would be appropriate.
Explain to the client that your refusing because of the policy that all gifts must go to the owner.
Even better. Make clients look for better companies.
Food? So if a client takes me for a meal I have to make sure to vomit it onto my boss' desk when I get back to the office?
Obviously not. You order it to go, sit there awkwardly while the client eats, then bring the box of cold food to the manager who the gives it to the owner eventually.
Vomiting is not as much fun as waiting for it to be ready for you to deposit on the boss' desk the other way.
True, but it’s good to have options.
You can generally wait 2 or 3 days before giving him the food. Of course by then it's been processed.
Yes. Malicious compliance.
It's all about the proper regurgitating technique
We need to start recognizing corporate greed as a mental disorder. This is a company large enough that employees don't interact with the owner directly, and all the profits from the company aren't enough for the owner: they also want the pen the delivery guy gave you. It's a sickness.
The Native Americans recognized a greed sickness in white men. They called it watiko, IIRC.
Edit: I spelled incorrectly. It is watiko, not watika.
https://www.innertraditions.com/blog/wetiko-in-a-nutshell
Thanks for this! Watiko look like an interesting rabbit hole to explore.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wasi%27chu
Yeah the word he spelled came from Hindu meaning garden apparently. Or Africa meaning creative. No ties to America I could find. I guess they sound close
Broken link
That link worked for me.
I spelled incorrectly. It's watiko, but it could very well be related to the word you found.
Try this link: watiko
Yeah, that company has red flags.
Red flag number 1: the contents of the note
Red flag number 2: using duct tape to attach the note to the wall. Hints at a huge managerial Skill Issue.
A proper company would instead be talking about compliance and how gifts of really any meaningful value have to be rejected outright.
Been with several companies that have the first part in their policy. It makes sense to avoid, or at best minimize an external influencing factor in company activities. Basically they don't want to mess with lawsuits. That's what company policy is for, protect the company.
The rest is owner greed. He doesn't want the gifts to stop, he wants them all without doing anything to get them. Either enforce a 'no gifts, period' policy or let people do what they will.
When you work in certain fields there are strict laws around accepting gifts from customers or clients. None of those laws allow the business owner to steal them from you.
In the US, there is a legal precedent from corps stealing tips meant for employees.
That's not actually legal anywhere in the US. However, it requires being reported so it's hardly ever enforced.
"Oh, thanks! What I'd like is some extremely hot sauce in a bottle labelled 'ketchup'".
That lovely aged fish in a can from Scandinavia called Surströmming. Make sure to ask for that.
or mayo in a pudding glass
This is illegal most places. Might want to look into that.
In our company this is a bribe and we don't accept bribes.
Same in ours.
Myself and another guy went to a tech junket that was by invite only and they gave away a laptop to one person from each company who attended. My boss tried to take the laptop from the other guy saying "that was a gift and you need to turn it over to me"
I'd already cleared it with our corporate conflict of interest ombudsman - if I'd accepted it, it would have been an issue because I had purchasing authority, but other guy was "just" a tech who couldn't sign off on anything or even make recommendations to anyone other than me, we didn't have an existing business relationship with the vendor, and we're not obligated to conduct any business with them as a result of the gift.
I told my boss to take it up with head-of-department (whom I'd copied in on the ombudsman comms.)
Other guy kept the laptop, and boss got 'audited' for gifts received (they pulled his emails) and was demoted into a position he wasn't able to handle (more technical than he was capable of, but on paper should have been able to do) and pushed out of the company soon thereafter.
What are you, a cop?
Not if they don't accept bribes, they aren't.
Wait, if I am, do I have to tell you?
If you are one, no. I think you get in trouble if you don't lie and/or kick my shit in, actually
I'll have to carry unnecessary violence with me wherever I go. Will a bat be OK?
A bat is fine too.
Last company where I faced external suppliers, I had to take a training where they said we couldn't accept any item worth more than like $20, except food or alcohol during a presentation. But we could accept such items on behalf of the company, and they would be raffled off to a random employee. One time a guy in purchasing got a giant brass horse head from a Chinese supplier. I guess nobody signed up for the raffle, so it became a permanent fixture in the cafeteria.
lol
Usually these things will just say you can't accept such items because it could be considered a bribe or at the very least unprofessional. And here we have an asshole straight up saying "give your bribes to me!"
I'm just thinking of all the times customers offered me food and drink while servicing them as an internet service installer. You gonna take all my Dr. Pepper and tacos, too, boss? How 'bout I leave 'em in a pile on your desk after I'm done?
My company forces everyone to take a training that must be repeated every year, teaching us that we have to always refuse gifts because of corruption and
collisioncollusion laws.I can only hope that was an autocorrect, otherwise you'd better retake that training. Or maybe full-contact corrupting is a thing now...
I meant collusion 😅
Best start having takeaway cups at home next time somebody comes by to install something, just in case they need to take the gift which is my offering of coffee or tea, to their bosses...
i would just consider those not property of the owner considering anyone can consider anything to be anything
Time to update you CV and head elsewhere.
No.
"the beatings will continue until morale improves."
When I'd get stuff, I'd always offer it to the employees first. My employees used to encourage vendors to show up to get free stuff. I'd let them get whatever they could. One employee got free night vision goggles.
Yeah, I’m a manager and I fully encourage my staff to take tips and gifts even though it’s against company policy. If a client offers a tip, I normally respond with something like “I don’t take tips, but if you and the part-timer want to to walk around the corner where there’s no security cameras, I’ll stay right here so I don’t see any money change hands.”
The part-timers need the money more than I do anyways. $50 won’t make a huge difference to me, but could be the determining factor in whether or not the part-timer has enough gas money to get to class next week. Plus they’re the actual boots on the ground making sure the day-to-day runs smoothly. I’m just doing paperwork and hanging out in case any big issues pop up.
Why does HE get to make a unilateral decision on a subject of legal ownership. When did he get elected to the Legislature?
I dont know how to read
Client gifted me a truck load of manure
Oh the second hand embarrassment...
This is probably one of the few places my job doesn't do it horribly.
Any gifts that aren't perishable get saved up and then before Christmas we do a grab bag type thing where we all take a number and pick a "present" from the swag we've been sent.
The only way they do it "wrong" is that the perishables (usually cookies) always go to the office and we never get them on the factory floor! I want cookies DAMNIT!! Lol
My office is bad about the cookie thing too. My office is split across two different buildings.
I have worked here for several years, and we only found out a month ago that the main building has free bagels in the break room every Monday morning. The main building never bothered to tell us, because it’s donated from the local bagel shop as a “there until they’re all gone” situation. And the office drones in the main building didn’t want to share, so they just never told any of us in the secondary building.
We only found out because the bagel shop wanted to do an event in our secondary building. The main building was extremely pushy about us making sure it went well, and offered a bunch of free shit too. We finally chatted to the bagel shop owner about how odd it was that the main building was so invested. She casually dropped the “oh that’s probably just because of all the free bagels we send y’all every week haha” type of comment.
Did some digging, and sure enough the owner sends like a hundred bagels over to the main building every Monday morning. She always assumed that they were sharing, because it’s way too many bagels for just the primary building… But it turns out the employees over there were just hungry hippo’ing the break room table and taking like six bagels home every week.
Isn't that a bribe?
bribes are for preferential treatment.
gifts are given to people who help you out and appreciate your efforts.
all this does is tells employees that customer satisfaction isn't a concern and they only have to make sure the customers are satisfied enough to not complain with zero effort to reward employees that go above and beyond the role.
if you work in a place like this, wake up. you're a cog in an orphan grinding machine.
make me
This is because the gifts must be tossed in the hole. The hole that runs the company. Because the company is run by a hole.
Once the hole is filled the company dies and you are free.
Source: I fill holes.
Not saying a business/person wouldn't try to do something this shitty, but this seems like such a low effort thing to fake. Literally just a word doc printed out and duct taped to a wall.
Do these people work for the government 🤔