Spyke

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lemmy.ca

It's funny that you think America isn't pulling the strings from the start.

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lemmus.org

There's little difference between the two at this point. They are intertwined. Fuck both administrations.

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greenfirereply
lemmings.world

Trunk & Netanyahu teaming up for Operation Jailbreak against Iran

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Zombiereply
feddit.uk

Trump's only on board because he thought it was Operation Jailbait

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sh.itjust.works

The people that oppress women and gay people? Good for those people? Jesus, dude... Fuck you.

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lemmus.org

Get off your stupid high horse, America doesn't get to bomb and decide who gets to be president. In fact, America is opressing people of colour right now so lets bomb them?

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P1k1ereply
lemmy.world

Oh right uh...hang on...it's just like....hostilities?

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I heard it was a special military operation, only meant to last 3 days.

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Tronn4reply
lemmy.world

Sned in the Kardashian with the Pepsi can

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Do Israel and Iran realize how bad this looks for Trump? Did they think about him at all? Did they even say thank you?

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Reports indicate it was a muted response to indicate an intention to deescalate. They had to do something but they didn't go crazy. We'll see, I guess.

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PaulBunyanreply
lemm.ee

I heard they fired six missiles - the same amount the US used - intentionally. Targeted non-civilian locations. Weren’t complete dicks about it.

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SkyezOpenreply
lemmy.world

Same thing when trump assassinated soleimani. They rattle a saber a little bit and call it even. Trump announced a ceasefire agreement 3 hours ago so it looks like business as usual.

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Evidently it's an imaginary ceasefire agreement and nobody even asked Iran, so... We'll see. The token retaliation suggests they aren't trying to escalate with the US specifically.

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D_Creply

I'm pretty sure we will find out...in about 15 years when the big budget all starred Hollywood propaganda movie comes out.

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lemmy.world

Totally expected. What would be unexpected is firing at the country itself.

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How could the Iranian's do such a thing! Won’t someone please think of poor Israel who shot first, or the idiotic American president who just wants to drop a nuke to satisfy his ego.

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What!?!? We can't just randomly fire on other nations without them retaliating? Outrageous!

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So far, reports state “fired at” but come up short of saying “hit”.

Sounds like air defenses may have intercepted all of them? At least to the extent we can trust reporting at this stage.

ngl, it’d be more satisfying to read about a successful counterstrike…

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lemmy.world

Why not attack the U.S. directly? There are plenty of coastal bases in the U.S.

I feel like it would hurt a whole lot more if they were to go after something on U.S. soil...not that I exactly want that. Being bombed at home sounds terrifying.

Im just curious what the logic was behind this.

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ghurabreply
lemmy.world

Even if they wanted to, how would they accomplish that?

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They do technically have orbital launch capability, which implies they in theory have the capacity to construct an ICBM, even if not with a nuclear warhead necessarily. Granted, the results of such a strike almost certainly would not be worth the costs to them so I've no expectation they'll do such a thing, but they probably could if they wanted to badly enough.

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LillyPipreply
lemmy.ca

Perhaps because if they did that, there’s a very high chance trump would nuke them. He’s been itching for a reason to use nukes since his first term, and that would give him the excuse he wants.

e: I think the fact I got 2 opposing comments (he’d do it without justification and he’d be stopped by the CoC even with justification) might be telling here. He’s a monkey with a machine gun, and who knows if justification would work on others in the chain of command? Perhaps they’d rather not risk that.

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If Trump wants to nuke them, he nukes them. He doesn't need a reason, he is a demented megalomaniac with a cult following. There will be some more finger-waggling in congress and pearl clutching for the midterms after the fact and that's it. So why appease him or try not to upset him?

Iran probably just thought hitting these targets was easier.

I fucking hate the world we live in.

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Maybe, there are a lot of people who would probably not be too keen on doing that through the chain of command. Nukes aren't something you just pull out a brief case and push a button with.

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lemm.ee

This seems performative. Only a handful of missiles and apparently Iranian state TV is reporting successful strikes, but I can't find anything reputable that confirms that. Sounds like all missiles were intercepted. Iran gets to show their people that they've responded without risking a true escalation.

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lemmy.world

That would make sense. I guess from my point of view, I'd be pretty pissed if I was Iran right now. At least 9 of their nuclear scientists were assassinated last week, and now their nuclear sites have been all bombed. That's as good of a declaration of war as youre going to get. But I can understand why they wouldn't want to wage an all put war if they dont think they're prepared for one.

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There's no way they come out on top in an all-out war with the US. Terrorists working unofficially are their best best. Not like there's any lack of people who (justifiably) hate the US.

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Yeah from the footage I saw in this thread it seems like they were all intercepted by Patriot missiles and if any did hit they did minimal damage. Russia just launched hundreds of drones and missiles into Kyiv. Iran certainly could have done more, so I absolutely agree it’s performative

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lemmy.world

I have no idea. They have a nuclear program, so I assumed they have a somewhat sophisticated and modern military.

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That's a bad assumption, North Korea has nukes.

It's just a bigger stick.

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You are getting downvoted but i agree with you its obvious they dont really try to hurt the US.

Even the missiles they did fire, ALL of them were intercepted by US missile defence and not a single person was hurt.

Its just to show that they hit back a little symbolically.

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The ONLY good point to this would be that it would draw the US public into action. A base in the Middle East got hit? People shrug it off, it's nothing new and doesn't affect them. A naval or army base on the East Coast gets a missile hit? At least if there was disagreement on what to do, we'd be arguing about it. Assuming that Iran can even get that far...

And to be clear, it's only a good point in that it would wake people up that shit isn't right, and maybe they'd feel threatened enough for their own welfare to do something.

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It's pretty straightforward, they have to do something, but they really don't want a war with the US despite any public comments. An attack that can be directly traced to Iran that even targeted the mainland would be a great way to ensure the US escalates.

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NatakuNoxreply
lemmy.world

There will be a "terrorist" attack in the near future. The something with guns during a crowded event. My money is on a 4th of July event shooting. Sadly that's the only way Iran and other poor nations have to fight back. Until Iran and poor nations get nukes they will be taken advantage of. I'm pro Iran nukes simple because them not having them is obviously not working for anyone

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lemmy.world

There hasn't been a war on U.S. mainland in 150 years. If a misil hits it it could trigger easily WWIII. Last attack on U.S. was 9/11 and that started multiple wars.

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What is the metric of success. Iran wants the US to stay out of the region. Nothing about our response to 9/11 suggests that that is how we would respond to an attack on our soil.

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evenglowreply
lemmy.world

Have you tried using logic to answer your question?

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lemmy.world

Apparently not. since its so obvious to you, why dont you use your big brain and share with the class?

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