Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Danny Danon calls on Security Council to stand by his country.
“This is a moment to make moral decisions. Stand by Israel - or you will be partners in a dangerous silence", He said.
Israel is threatening nuclear Holocaust for the entire world if you do not support their genocidal warmongering. Which will likely end in nuclear genocide. That’s what I’m seeing here. Fucking great. Awesome. Love that for us.
This is all part of the very real Evangelical/Zionist rapture prophecy. Israel and all our western leaders are literally trying to bring about the apocalypse, they want it with religious furvor, so yes a nuclear genocide is to be expected from these people.
If the rapture is real and God will ascend anyone true to the word, then by definition they would be sent straight to hell since they literally killed millions/billions of people.
The CIA under the Dulles brothers also stated several times in their documents that they’d rather have the world suffer nuclear annihilation than let a non capitalist or fascist system take hold of world hegemony. So I would add anyone who supports the CIA to that list.
but if you're going to do this, this is the way to do it. War is hell, and the objective should be to do whatever is necessary to bring your opponent to the table for surrender or negotiation as quickly as possible and avoid a prolonged engagement. In any other era we wouldn't even be discussing this.
Again, though, for those in the back- fuck Israel.
That type of flawed logic is exactly what led to atomic bombs being used to kill hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, and is Israel's supposed justification for their barbaric campaign against Palestinians.
Do you not think that deciding to commit a war crime by intentionally targeting and murdering over 200,000 civilians, was perhaps a bad call?
Or perhaps intentionally targeting journalists, doctors, first responders, schools, hospitals, entire apartment buildings, is actually acceptable because the conflict will supposedly end sooner?
As for your second point- in this situation is it acceptable or justified? Fuck no. Is it tactically the correct move, given what these pieces of shit are trying to accomplish? Yes.
What led to the rather tragic decision was the fact that the Japanese did not consider surrendering. Japanese high-ups used their elite pilots like one-off missiles rather than to surrender, and hoped that 100 million Japanese people would 'shatter like a jewel'(一億玉砕), rather than, you know, be alive.
Landing option the US had, Operation Downfall, also included bombing the coastal defense with nuclear bombs and literally obliterating Japan as a whole, so I'm not sure if that would have caused fewer casualties, not to mention it would have been a painstakingly long fight, ultimately leading to more painful exploitation for the victims like Korea and Southeast Asia. Even after the first bomb was dropped, they did not consider surrendering.
I am not saying that the bomb was the only way the war could have ended(although that was something I implied jokingly), and I'm not ignoring the fact that countless civilians died from it. But I don't think any other options would have had fewer casualties, especially from the viewpoint of one of their many colonies that was brutally exploited and suffered.
The Soviets were about to invade the Japanese empire when the US dropped the atomic bombs. They did this just to prevent Japan from falling in USSR's sphere of influence.
However, you might still be thankful as South Korea likely wouldn't exist otherwise, being instead merely the agrarian South of a juche unified Korea.
Well, I never said they were. They aren’t the only ones being targeted. The kind of pedantic excuse crafting that you’re doing right here, is the kind of nonsensical rationalization that is always deployed when that vicious, violent, predatory nation does what it always does.
I hate to sound like I'm defending Israel, but it's possible Iran shot down some of their missiles, which have to go somewhere. It's looking like the vast majority of the strikes were aiming for military targets.
If you shoot down a missle it shouldn't explode on impact and cause massive building damage like we are seeing in the photos. The largest thing you should see is like a street sign sticking into a building wall. It's more likely the missiles missed if we are giving credit, but I doubt it. We'll see when 3 days of this shit ends and what targets ended up being hit
If a missile, ballistic or otherwise, is intercepted no the missile will not simply be diverted it will be compromised by the interceptor.
The more complex the warhead the more likelihood an interception will neutralize it.
Even a JDAM or other simple bomb if it is intercepted in the air, is now set upon a path where the explosive potential is dismantled and exploited over time.... in a great rushing of empty air... not a single, mighty bang at the instant the warhead touches the roof of a school or home.
The most extreme example is a nuclear bomb, which is usually treated in pop culture as a type of bomb you have to be VERY careful not to bump into too hard.. but that actually totally misunderstands the terror of a nuclear bomb, the detonation sequence of a nuclear bomb has to go off like a finely tuned wristwratch starting up, something smashing into a nuclear bomb with great velocity and momentum will simply dismantle the wristwratch into possibly radioactive pieces, but they are harmless relative to the careful orchestrated opening to a show that was thankfully permanently cancelled by the interception.
No. When a military attacks a civilian structure like that they have to prove they acted proportionally, and that they acted to minimize casualties of innocents. Israel never provides that proof and they do this all the time, so absent that poof they are legally war crimes. Its well established law. There is no "of a sort" -- theres war crimes and not war crimes. Israel commits war crimes and this was yet another war crime. They cant just pretend any amount of dead civilians near a "target" is just fine. Thats not how any of this works. It'd be the same war crime if they blew up a stadium full of people to kill one man.
They don’t need to publish proof according to international law and it’s uncommon for any country to provide that. Operational security usually precludes that anyway. Proof and such come into play in a trial or Knesset parliamentary inquiry. Both of which have brought clarity in the past on Israeli action.
Proportionality assessment is done by IDF officers and lawyers. They want their asses covered, because war crimes are also crimes under Israeli law and they want to continue traveling abroad. Proportionality is always judged by if the action is conducive to reach the military objective, while at the same time minimizing civilian casualties and damages. Zero civilian casualties is not required according to international humanitarian law.
Anything Israel does is immediately labeled a war crime by some parties, regardless of what’s actually going on.
It'd be the same war crime if they blew up a stadium full of people to kill one man.
That would only be proportional under special circumstances, like if that man was extremely important, time was critical, and there was no other feasible way to target and get him. If that one man is a combatant and legitimate military target, he is also committing a war crime by hiding among civilians using them as human shields.
So in the case of man in a stadium it would have to be literally Hitler about to launch another world war to justify blowing up the whole building. You can only get him there, because he‘s in the bunker connected to the stadium at all other times. In that case the stadium would also be filled with high ranking officers and party officials, but you said only one man. If you have a precision guided missile able to blow up only the VIP lodge, that would change the proportionality assessment of course. Proportionality depends on the objective.
Israel‘s attacks on the apartment buildings only took out specific apartments, not destroy the whole building. This can be seen on footage from Iranian tv.
So no, it’s not the same war crime, if it’s even a war crime.
Great. Israel proves once again that Iran needs a nuke to protect itself. Iran now has all the reason to quickly develop a nuke, which Israel will take as a pretext to demand the US to invade Iran for them.
An Iranian nuke will make Saudi want one, and then Turkiye will also want one.
Israel is doing everything it can to keep the region in perpetual war, justifying its imperialist and genocidal regime as "self defense".
They definitely did provide support, what they are saying is that they had no say in Israel decision making process. I can believe that, Netanyahu is a fucking psychopath.
Presumably it is to discourage Iran from attacking US assets in the region, knowing that the US have weapons that they can use to counter-attack. Any counter-attack needs to be against Israel alone, not the US. That's what the US wants.
When your kid start installing his agents in the very foundation of western countries to ensure no one oppose him for when he start murdering innocents and raging wars, please just shoot him in the face and rid the world of him.
Oh the story of Israel's nonsense over the past 60 plus years is so messed up. I made the comparison in jest, but it's crazy.
They really are the worst ride or die ally of all time. And the geopolitical math hasn't made any sense since the cold war ended. Unless you have a secret religious need for the end of days.
I don’t see how Israel can lose this war, they are miles ahead in terms of military technology thanks to the US and parts of Europe and if anything goes seriously wrong they will be bailed out by a US invasion force.
The IDF has a very advanced military in terms of hardware, but the only doctrine they appear to practice is genocide against an enclosed much weaker enemy, which among other attrocities is an awful, counter-productive way to keep a military trained enough to function.
Israel has more of a hyper militarized police force than a military at this point, and the consequences will be severe if Israel is successful in trying to start a regional war... as police are in my estimation are by far the most enthusiastically wrong demographic of people who think they are good at war without having ever actually experienced it (rather they have experienced the mental rush of having lethal power over others... which is not the experience of war at least beyond the first 5 minutes).....
yeah, agreed. I hate to say it, but maybe the worlds only hope here is that the US is as fickle in its support of zionism as it is in every other middle eastern alliance it enters in.
Hopefully Trump will be distracted by some mcdonalds production glitch or a burning need to nuke antarctica so he can mine some mineral he needs for syphillis medicine. Thats about our only hope. The dems are warming up a list of nothing but zionists to run for the next election, so theres no hope anytime soon otherwise. No word yet on giant meteor, but climate change is coming on fast so maybe we dont need meteor. I still have #hope.
The us isn't invincible and Iran has shown that the iron dome can be cheaply over powered. Ukraine showed military technology isn't that important on modern battle fields, and I doubt Israel is really prepared for a 10+ front war. The us isnt.
Not to diminish the other grave consequences of this strike, but because of Trump's tariffs and other erratic behavior, the U.S. economy is teetering on the edge of recession. This strike has already caused oil prices to jump significantly, which will almost certainly speed the onset and deepen the depth of the coming recession.
"Following the pre-emptive strike by the State of Israel against Iran, a missile and UAV (drone) attack against the State of Israel and its civilian population is expected in the immediate time frame," Defence Minister Israel Katz said in a statement.
Amazing how Israel was able to figure out when the unprovoked Iranian attack was going to occur that they managed to get their preemptive strike done in the nick of time.
This Apartheid regime, like that Apartheid regime needs to end. It needs to be crushed and reformed.
When Barghouti is the president of the post-Apartheid State of Israel and Palestine, we can start having peace. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one etc etc etc.
Bullshit! Who in the hell supplied the satellite intelligence and targeting data. You MAGA fucks better do your "patriotic" duty, sign up for 11 Bravo (Grunt Infanttry) and gear up to invade Iran.
just in time as a distraction from all the nationwide protests going in the US, trump desperately needed the news off the protests, as its starting to snowball. so the msm complied and switch off to international news. someone made tha tpoint on reddit too.
It happened: strikes on Irans capital and nuclear facilities 🇮🇱. Here follows my analysis and the consequences for involved nearby countries.
The main difference between this war and the Russia Ukraine war: Buffer states like Syria and Iraq are between the 2 countries at war, as Iran and Israel have no direct land borders. Furthermore it is insanely hard to to march Infantry masses across these flat desert buffer countries landscape without being spotted by satellites or drones. Syria and Iraq will sustain some damage, as they host pro Iran militia forces and some IS terror cells. This war will cost a lot of rocket-fuel, as the distance between Iran and Israel cities are bigger than those from Ukraine to Russia.
So I predict this will be mostly a war of long range strike- and special forces secret service commando assets in which Israel has an advantage in my assessment. Iran might enrich Uranium further, but only as a gesture, not really a useful outcome for them ☢.
🇸🇦 Saudi-Arabia will profit from this: Its sales of oil will grow, while Iran refinery capacity will be destroyed 🛢 . Russia might benefit indirectly from this with its oil sales to Asia (India and China) and a growing oil price. NATO countries will divert some long range strike assets and artillery munitions to Israel at first to strengthen it, as the US has already sent air defense assets purposed for Ukraine to the middle east theater. But with a defeated Iran Russia will loose power in the middle east and the Caspian-Sea. Azerbaijan and Afghanistan might profit from this as well, their borders with the isolationist mullah regime might become more brittle enabling more sanction avoiding smuggling and small export industry.
The US will benefit from this war in 2 ways: growing oil prices make their fracking industry more competitive and defense contractors like Ratheon stocks will grow 🗽 📈. Israel as a key to the region will strengthen for the US.
🇹🇷 Turkey will stay neutral, they are amassing military forces and industry and neither Iran nor Israel have interest to mess things up with them and divert resources, though Turkey might use this to justify deeper operations inside Syria against PKK forces in the north-east.
Also I expect North Korea to send "secret" observers and assets into Iran as they have done in the Ukraine war, keep looking for them.
First of all Israel wants Russia in the region to hinder an increase of Turkish presence. Also Israel has a very different stance to Russia than NATO. This includes Israel having demanded Ukraine to surrender to Russia as well as Israel providing military drones to Russia between the occupation of Crimea and the full scale invasion.
Second of all, Iran isnt some small country that can be pushed around easily. This will lead to a prolonged war, which is Israels goal, to drag its "Allies" or rather its bitches into a long and bloody war against Iran, so that they can do the dirty work for Israel, while Israel can finish the genocide. This means Ukraine will have less support for the following months if not years.
Third of all the resulting spike in Oil and Gas prices will replenish the Russian war chest.
Fourth of all, Iran has provided production licencses to Russia, China and recently allegedly North Korea. So the weapons can continue to flow to Russia, while Ukraine will suffer.
This is Putins dreams and Israel is once again undermining the security of its supposed allies.
I guess long sequences of text nowadays get you flagged as a bot. But which sentence in my analysis makes you believe I am one in particular, I thought I just wrote about the countries in the region and effects?
Pretty good analysis, but focuses too much on oil. It will be a mix of Israeli air strikes and special operations in one direction and long range missiles, drones, and proxy forces in the other.
Israel‘s ability to defend against Iranian drones and missiles was very good last time around. Jordan shoots down anything Iranian in their airspace they can, supporting Israel‘s defense in effect.
Saudi Arabia, Turkey
And most other countries in the region are very happy Israel fights Iran‘s ability to build nuclear weapons. That way they can keep their hand clean.
If Iran gets nukes, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, and others would want nukes very urgently as well.
The Saudis especially are glad Israel degraded Iran‘s proxy forces in the region. Even the new Syrian government owes its success in part to Israel clapping Hezbollah hard.
The only ones mad at Israel in this case are the ones who hate Israel‘s existence and everything they do out of principle.
The only ones mad at Israel in this case are the ones who hate Israel‘s existence and everything they do out of principle.
Literally anyone with a functioning heart right now is already existentially mad with Israel... everywhere.. ALL OVER THE WORLD.
Nothing you speculate about will change that, the only thing that can happen is a massive rise in genuine anti-semitism because centrists and neolibs like you won't have an honest discussion about being complicit in the silence surrounding a genocide and crazy batshit rightwing conservatives then get to dominate the conversation... which is extremely dangerous.
Pinning this as it's HUGE.
Live updates here:
https://apnews.com/live/israel-iran-attack
CNN is reporting a 2nd wave of attacks is ongoing right now.
https://www.cnn.com/world/live-news/israel-iran-strikes-news-06-12-25-hnk-intl
That's a threat not a warning
Israel is threatening nuclear Holocaust for the entire world if you do not support their genocidal warmongering. Which will likely end in nuclear genocide. That’s what I’m seeing here. Fucking great. Awesome. Love that for us.
This is all part of the very real Evangelical/Zionist rapture prophecy. Israel and all our western leaders are literally trying to bring about the apocalypse, they want it with religious furvor, so yes a nuclear genocide is to be expected from these people.
Yeah but it just seems so batshit insane to me that it’s hard to fully fathom.
Not only that, it makes zero sense.
If the rapture is real and God will ascend anyone true to the word, then by definition they would be sent straight to hell since they literally killed millions/billions of people.
Yeah like I don’t get it. You can’t force the rapture, and even if you could, doing so would force you to not be getting raptured. It’s so stupid.
Everyone keep in mind, Israel would rather destroy the entire planet with nukes than lose their sovereignty as a state.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option
Zionists are scum and not meant to be trusted or reasoned with.
You know how it's okay to punch Nazis? We can add Zionists to that list as well. They are both equally shit and should be treated accordingly.
The CIA under the Dulles brothers also stated several times in their documents that they’d rather have the world suffer nuclear annihilation than let a non capitalist or fascist system take hold of world hegemony. So I would add anyone who supports the CIA to that list.
The moral decision is blindingly obvious and it's not to threaten nuclear war to shield your rabid pit bull of an ally from retaliation, motherfucker.
The “dangerous silence” part rings alarmingly true, but not for the reasons protected.
Yeah this isn't a small strike. They went after the leaders of Iran and their nuclear sites all at once.
Looks like they got the head of the Revolutionary Guard too.
To be clear, FUCK Israel-
but if you're going to do this, this is the way to do it. War is hell, and the objective should be to do whatever is necessary to bring your opponent to the table for surrender or negotiation as quickly as possible and avoid a prolonged engagement. In any other era we wouldn't even be discussing this.
Again, though, for those in the back- fuck Israel.
That type of flawed logic is exactly what led to atomic bombs being used to kill hundreds of thousands of Japanese civilians, and is Israel's supposed justification for their barbaric campaign against Palestinians.
Flawed?
Do you not think that deciding to commit a war crime by intentionally targeting and murdering over 200,000 civilians, was perhaps a bad call?
Or perhaps intentionally targeting journalists, doctors, first responders, schools, hospitals, entire apartment buildings, is actually acceptable because the conflict will supposedly end sooner?
Hiroshima and Nagasaki were not a bad call.
As for your second point- in this situation is it acceptable or justified? Fuck no. Is it tactically the correct move, given what these pieces of shit are trying to accomplish? Yes.
Well without that nuke us South Koreans would still be one of many Japanese colony so I'm very much all for it.
No you would not be, USA had the resources to commit to a landing in japan and have less casualties over all
You're not immune to propaganda, do not believe that nukes were ever necessary
What led to the rather tragic decision was the fact that the Japanese did not consider surrendering. Japanese high-ups used their elite pilots like one-off missiles rather than to surrender, and hoped that 100 million Japanese people would 'shatter like a jewel'(一億玉砕), rather than, you know, be alive.
Landing option the US had, Operation Downfall, also included bombing the coastal defense with nuclear bombs and literally obliterating Japan as a whole, so I'm not sure if that would have caused fewer casualties, not to mention it would have been a painstakingly long fight, ultimately leading to more painful exploitation for the victims like Korea and Southeast Asia. Even after the first bomb was dropped, they did not consider surrendering.
I am not saying that the bomb was the only way the war could have ended(although that was something I implied jokingly), and I'm not ignoring the fact that countless civilians died from it. But I don't think any other options would have had fewer casualties, especially from the viewpoint of one of their many colonies that was brutally exploited and suffered.
The Soviets were about to invade the Japanese empire when the US dropped the atomic bombs. They did this just to prevent Japan from falling in USSR's sphere of influence.
However, you might still be thankful as South Korea likely wouldn't exist otherwise, being instead merely the agrarian South of a juche unified Korea.
Iran was barely doing anything the last few years? the sudden attack seems likes its distraction from all those protests.
Lots of news recently about Iran enriching their uranium. It’s not a big surprise.
They were manufacturing consent
Don’t they always
Oh, it absolutely is. I’m not saying the attack is by any means justified.
Nukes have entered the chat
You know when you make a statement, then say “but” it negates the statement, yeah?
"I'm for euthanasia but I think we need to introduce it in a way that doesn't reduce access to healthcare"
What part was negated?
OK, it works in this example, but...
Wait, shit.
"The clock is broken, but it's currently right."
Something can be wrong 99% of the time. Pointing out the 1% doesn't make the other 99% good, or that 1% wrong as well.
You talk just like a zionist under cover
I would take enormous offense if this comment wasn’t dumb as hell
Not everyone who hates Iran is a zionist
You can hate iran. You can't justify the terrorist state of israel starting a war with iran wherr ton of civilians are dying though
Fascism is a death cult.
Also, does anyone actually believe this shit, re: the US lmao. They're using our arms.
Trump is already attempting to use this attack as leverage to force the Iranians into accepting his nuclear deal.
Trump warns Iran to agree to nuclear deal before "even more brutal" attack
Trump is slimy and always willing to kick someone when they’re down, but he’s not that quick on the uptake. Strategy coordination, minimally.
I thought the vote happened before the strike?
edit: Yeah, I definitely think it happened before the strike. It wasn't off by 2 votes either.
61-53. That's closer than I expected if I read that right.
I wonder how those red heiffers are doing.
Plump and ripe for the slaughter.
Keep in mind, these people all have families.
Even when they're long dead, we will still have no shortage of people who profited off of their exploitation to hold accountable.
Targetted military installations, Israel said. But seems they instead hit residential apartment complexes. So, yet another war crime.
Well this is Israel’s big skillset. They are a culture organized around the oppression and murder of innocents.
Iranian revolutionary guard generals are not innocent and actually quite good at oppression.
Well, I never said they were. They aren’t the only ones being targeted. The kind of pedantic excuse crafting that you’re doing right here, is the kind of nonsensical rationalization that is always deployed when that vicious, violent, predatory nation does what it always does.
But like, did you see how menacing the curtains looked?!?
I sent a screenshot of that to my people earlier - highlighting the discrepancy. It’s astounding how blatantly the media carries water for them.
I hate to sound like I'm defending Israel, but it's possible Iran shot down some of their missiles, which have to go somewhere. It's looking like the vast majority of the strikes were aiming for military targets.
Israel admitted they targetted apartment buildings where leaders lived. Its not a missile shootdown.
If you shoot down a missle it shouldn't explode on impact and cause massive building damage like we are seeing in the photos. The largest thing you should see is like a street sign sticking into a building wall. It's more likely the missiles missed if we are giving credit, but I doubt it. We'll see when 3 days of this shit ends and what targets ended up being hit
Eh not necessarily tbh, we see that in Ukraine daily - debris of shot down rockets and drones doing substantial damage to whatever is below.
If a missile, ballistic or otherwise, is intercepted no the missile will not simply be diverted it will be compromised by the interceptor.
The more complex the warhead the more likelihood an interception will neutralize it.
Even a JDAM or other simple bomb if it is intercepted in the air, is now set upon a path where the explosive potential is dismantled and exploited over time.... in a great rushing of empty air... not a single, mighty bang at the instant the warhead touches the roof of a school or home.
The most extreme example is a nuclear bomb, which is usually treated in pop culture as a type of bomb you have to be VERY careful not to bump into too hard.. but that actually totally misunderstands the terror of a nuclear bomb, the detonation sequence of a nuclear bomb has to go off like a finely tuned wristwratch starting up, something smashing into a nuclear bomb with great velocity and momentum will simply dismantle the wristwratch into possibly radioactive pieces, but they are harmless relative to the careful orchestrated opening to a show that was thankfully permanently cancelled by the interception.
They targeted military leaders in those apartments. So still military targets of some sort.
No. When a military attacks a civilian structure like that they have to prove they acted proportionally, and that they acted to minimize casualties of innocents. Israel never provides that proof and they do this all the time, so absent that poof they are legally war crimes. Its well established law. There is no "of a sort" -- theres war crimes and not war crimes. Israel commits war crimes and this was yet another war crime. They cant just pretend any amount of dead civilians near a "target" is just fine. Thats not how any of this works. It'd be the same war crime if they blew up a stadium full of people to kill one man.
They don’t need to publish proof according to international law and it’s uncommon for any country to provide that. Operational security usually precludes that anyway. Proof and such come into play in a trial or Knesset parliamentary inquiry. Both of which have brought clarity in the past on Israeli action.
Proportionality assessment is done by IDF officers and lawyers. They want their asses covered, because war crimes are also crimes under Israeli law and they want to continue traveling abroad. Proportionality is always judged by if the action is conducive to reach the military objective, while at the same time minimizing civilian casualties and damages. Zero civilian casualties is not required according to international humanitarian law.
Anything Israel does is immediately labeled a war crime by some parties, regardless of what’s actually going on.
That would only be proportional under special circumstances, like if that man was extremely important, time was critical, and there was no other feasible way to target and get him. If that one man is a combatant and legitimate military target, he is also committing a war crime by hiding among civilians using them as human shields.
So in the case of man in a stadium it would have to be literally Hitler about to launch another world war to justify blowing up the whole building. You can only get him there, because he‘s in the bunker connected to the stadium at all other times. In that case the stadium would also be filled with high ranking officers and party officials, but you said only one man. If you have a precision guided missile able to blow up only the VIP lodge, that would change the proportionality assessment of course. Proportionality depends on the objective.
Israel‘s attacks on the apartment buildings only took out specific apartments, not destroy the whole building. This can be seen on footage from Iranian tv.
So no, it’s not the same war crime, if it’s even a war crime.
You don't have a clue, do you?
I very much do, I live here.
Except for the weapons we sold them, the intel reports we provided, etc, etc.
Great. Israel proves once again that Iran needs a nuke to protect itself. Iran now has all the reason to quickly develop a nuke, which Israel will take as a pretext to demand the US to invade Iran for them.
An Iranian nuke will make Saudi want one, and then Turkiye will also want one.
Israel is doing everything it can to keep the region in perpetual war, justifying its imperialist and genocidal regime as "self defense".
Funny how the US diverted 20k drones from Ukraine to the Middle East recently, wonder where they will end up…
And funny how the US embassy there was emptied a few days ago, citing "tensions in the region." Almost looks like they knew, doesn't it?
They did know… it has been explicitly stated that they did. They're just saying that they don't take part in it.
Which is also bullshit. At the very least they provided refuelling and intelligence.
They definitely did provide support, what they are saying is that they had no say in Israel decision making process. I can believe that, Netanyahu is a fucking psychopath.
Presumably it is to discourage Iran from attacking US assets in the region, knowing that the US have weapons that they can use to counter-attack. Any counter-attack needs to be against Israel alone, not the US. That's what the US wants.
Times of Israel is reporting a different story on the level of US involvement
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/report-us-helped-lull-iran-into-belief-no-attack-imminent/
Israel want the US to go to war with Iran, while they get to watch.
This. Everything which starts with "Israel says" is inevitably followed by a lie.
You've been drinking some weird koolaid
Taking into account that Israeli regime after murdering women and children always claims it is Hamas fault, I think it is you who is on something.
its called Empathy juice, try some
Chuck Schumer is working as hard as he can to ensure Trump does that
OK, I get that Israel has the right to exist but for fucking once can it please just exist for 5 fucking minutes?
Ever heard the saying, "spare the rod, spoil the child"?
This is what happens. Your kid turns into a fuckin bully that punches above his weight because his dad is a cop and no one wants to stand up to him.
And now he's brought a Glock to school.
When your kid start installing his agents in the very foundation of western countries to ensure no one oppose him for when he start murdering innocents and raging wars, please just shoot him in the face and rid the world of him.
Oh the story of Israel's nonsense over the past 60 plus years is so messed up. I made the comparison in jest, but it's crazy.
They really are the worst ride or die ally of all time. And the geopolitical math hasn't made any sense since the cold war ended. Unless you have a secret religious need for the end of days.
It's trying to not stop existing.
By starting a war it's destined to lose?
I don’t see how Israel can lose this war, they are miles ahead in terms of military technology thanks to the US and parts of Europe and if anything goes seriously wrong they will be bailed out by a US invasion force.
"Israel won't drag us into a war with Iran, but if they do we'll go willingly!" - Trump within the last like two weeks
All of these assumptions are not assured.
The IDF has a very advanced military in terms of hardware, but the only doctrine they appear to practice is genocide against an enclosed much weaker enemy, which among other attrocities is an awful, counter-productive way to keep a military trained enough to function.
Israel has more of a hyper militarized police force than a military at this point, and the consequences will be severe if Israel is successful in trying to start a regional war... as police are in my estimation are by far the most enthusiastically wrong demographic of people who think they are good at war without having ever actually experienced it (rather they have experienced the mental rush of having lethal power over others... which is not the experience of war at least beyond the first 5 minutes).....
yeah, agreed. I hate to say it, but maybe the worlds only hope here is that the US is as fickle in its support of zionism as it is in every other middle eastern alliance it enters in.
Hopefully Trump will be distracted by some mcdonalds production glitch or a burning need to nuke antarctica so he can mine some mineral he needs for syphillis medicine. Thats about our only hope. The dems are warming up a list of nothing but zionists to run for the next election, so theres no hope anytime soon otherwise. No word yet on giant meteor, but climate change is coming on fast so maybe we dont need meteor. I still have #hope.
They have by far the strongest and most advanced airforce in the Middle East. Nobody else there is flying F35s
lol
The us isn't invincible and Iran has shown that the iron dome can be cheaply over powered. Ukraine showed military technology isn't that important on modern battle fields, and I doubt Israel is really prepared for a 10+ front war. The us isnt.
If you really believe that then I have a bridge to sell you.
How about now that tel Aviv has been hit through the dome and us assistance?
Yeah, best way to do that is always attack your neighbors.
brutal racist colonization is not "trying to not stop existing".
By murdering everyone around?
That's the opposite of what I'm seeing.
Not to diminish the other grave consequences of this strike, but because of Trump's tariffs and other erratic behavior, the U.S. economy is teetering on the edge of recession. This strike has already caused oil prices to jump significantly, which will almost certainly speed the onset and deepen the depth of the coming recession.
Beyond the billions upon billions in weapons and sales that we've sent them, and keep sending them, of course
I've heard enough, let's send 3 trillion dollars to Israel to help them fight the oppression they're facing 😞😞😞
Well, I’m glad I started that garden.
DUDE, can we just like, stop, for a moment?
Just one day without "unprecedented times" would be great, tbh
These Zionist criminals are going to kill us all
Israel is digging its own grave. Sadly with other people's blood.
Amazing how Israel was able to figure out when the unprovoked Iranian attack was going to occur that they managed to get their preemptive strike done in the nick of time.
/s
Israel doesn’t say unprovoked.
I am not sure that word is in their vocabulary anymore.
Israel's war with fucking everyone around it, is like the bullshit wars South Africa fought with all its neighbours.
This Apartheid regime, like that Apartheid regime needs to end. It needs to be crushed and reformed.
When Barghouti is the president of the post-Apartheid State of Israel and Palestine, we can start having peace. You may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one etc etc etc.
Bullshit! Who in the hell supplied the satellite intelligence and targeting data. You MAGA fucks better do your "patriotic" duty, sign up for 11 Bravo (Grunt Infanttry) and gear up to invade Iran.
WW3 speedrun any%
If you want a run down on why this is significant and the potential consequences. I would recommend watching the attached vid.
I know this streamer is not favored by everyone, but the information is what matters.
https://youtu.be/llC-tSCf6W4
Meh, I will defend every single intellectual point Hasan has made at least that I have seen. He is smart af and funny as hell to boot.
Watch this to get a better idea who Hasan is and what he thinks and does.
He is very entertaining, but otherwise a political extremist narcissist of the worst kind.
What exactly makes his opinions and views extremist?
Define your terms precisely and back them up with evidence please.
Watch the linked videos.
They are hours long and skipping around I literally can't find any accusations of actual substance.
How about you put it into your own specific words and help me out?
no thank you :)
8hr watch, but if you love the Ethan/Hasan drama, this is for you.
https://youtu.be/aOYPKY_48HE
Here is a shorter one if you just want to see the difference of how Hasan presents his points and information and how Ethan does.
https://youtu.be/4PocFleMhUs
Regardless, like I said in the main comment, the information is what matters and not as much his takes on it.
When the US says it wasn’t invoked, it means “yes, we are involved”
If the USA government says it's not involved, that means it's involved, right? Every lie from them is a truth these days.
Did Israel use American produced F-35s?
Hey Israel, do you know the definition of "getting pounded" ??
Because you're about to be. Imagine if Iran takes out their Airbases.
US officials lied, again.
just in time as a distraction from all the nationwide protests going in the US, trump desperately needed the news off the protests, as its starting to snowball. so the msm complied and switch off to international news. someone made tha tpoint on reddit too.
However I think the protests are very good for Trump
lol ok neolib
It happened: strikes on Irans capital and nuclear facilities 🇮🇱. Here follows my analysis and the consequences for involved nearby countries. The main difference between this war and the Russia Ukraine war: Buffer states like Syria and Iraq are between the 2 countries at war, as Iran and Israel have no direct land borders. Furthermore it is insanely hard to to march Infantry masses across these flat desert buffer countries landscape without being spotted by satellites or drones. Syria and Iraq will sustain some damage, as they host pro Iran militia forces and some IS terror cells. This war will cost a lot of rocket-fuel, as the distance between Iran and Israel cities are bigger than those from Ukraine to Russia.
So I predict this will be mostly a war of long range strike- and special forces secret service commando assets in which Israel has an advantage in my assessment. Iran might enrich Uranium further, but only as a gesture, not really a useful outcome for them ☢.
🇸🇦 Saudi-Arabia will profit from this: Its sales of oil will grow, while Iran refinery capacity will be destroyed 🛢 . Russia might benefit indirectly from this with its oil sales to Asia (India and China) and a growing oil price. NATO countries will divert some long range strike assets and artillery munitions to Israel at first to strengthen it, as the US has already sent air defense assets purposed for Ukraine to the middle east theater. But with a defeated Iran Russia will loose power in the middle east and the Caspian-Sea. Azerbaijan and Afghanistan might profit from this as well, their borders with the isolationist mullah regime might become more brittle enabling more sanction avoiding smuggling and small export industry.
The US will benefit from this war in 2 ways: growing oil prices make their fracking industry more competitive and defense contractors like Ratheon stocks will grow 🗽 📈. Israel as a key to the region will strengthen for the US.
🇹🇷 Turkey will stay neutral, they are amassing military forces and industry and neither Iran nor Israel have interest to mess things up with them and divert resources, though Turkey might use this to justify deeper operations inside Syria against PKK forces in the north-east.
Also I expect North Korea to send "secret" observers and assets into Iran as they have done in the Ukraine war, keep looking for them.
First of all Israel wants Russia in the region to hinder an increase of Turkish presence. Also Israel has a very different stance to Russia than NATO. This includes Israel having demanded Ukraine to surrender to Russia as well as Israel providing military drones to Russia between the occupation of Crimea and the full scale invasion.
Second of all, Iran isnt some small country that can be pushed around easily. This will lead to a prolonged war, which is Israels goal, to drag its "Allies" or rather its bitches into a long and bloody war against Iran, so that they can do the dirty work for Israel, while Israel can finish the genocide. This means Ukraine will have less support for the following months if not years.
Third of all the resulting spike in Oil and Gas prices will replenish the Russian war chest.
Fourth of all, Iran has provided production licencses to Russia, China and recently allegedly North Korea. So the weapons can continue to flow to Russia, while Ukraine will suffer.
This is Putins dreams and Israel is once again undermining the security of its supposed allies.
I do not know much about the Status of Russia military bases in Syria (Tartus). Where can I find updates on this?
Are you a bot?
I guess long sequences of text nowadays get you flagged as a bot. But which sentence in my analysis makes you believe I am one in particular, I thought I just wrote about the countries in the region and effects?
Most of it. It reads like AI generated.
Pretty good analysis, but focuses too much on oil. It will be a mix of Israeli air strikes and special operations in one direction and long range missiles, drones, and proxy forces in the other.
Israel‘s ability to defend against Iranian drones and missiles was very good last time around. Jordan shoots down anything Iranian in their airspace they can, supporting Israel‘s defense in effect.
And most other countries in the region are very happy Israel fights Iran‘s ability to build nuclear weapons. That way they can keep their hand clean.
If Iran gets nukes, Saudi Arabia, Turkey, Egypt, and others would want nukes very urgently as well.
The Saudis especially are glad Israel degraded Iran‘s proxy forces in the region. Even the new Syrian government owes its success in part to Israel clapping Hezbollah hard.
The only ones mad at Israel in this case are the ones who hate Israel‘s existence and everything they do out of principle.
Literally anyone with a functioning heart right now is already existentially mad with Israel... everywhere.. ALL OVER THE WORLD.
Nothing you speculate about will change that, the only thing that can happen is a massive rise in genuine anti-semitism because centrists and neolibs like you won't have an honest discussion about being complicit in the silence surrounding a genocide and crazy batshit rightwing conservatives then get to dominate the conversation... which is extremely dangerous.