Greg Abbott faces more backlash as migrant child dies on bus: "Barbaric"
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Actually, he'll walk with slightly more pep in his step. He's making a difference. He got what he wanted most.
He won't stop because the cruelty is the point
That's disingenuous.
The point is to seem like he's got a plan for the migrant crisis by bussing them out of state.
And if he sends them to Blue states where services are better for undocumented migrants, isn't that better for the individuals? Or would they really be better off in Texas?
Regardless, my point is, if you don't try to understand why your political opponent is doing something, you'll never be able to fix anything.
this is disingenuous.
if abbot wanted to reduce the suffering of migrants he would coordinate with sanctuary cities to better allocate resources.
suffering is the goal.
Yes, his plan is to be cruel.
Hitler had a plan to solve the financial crisis by oppressing jews. Is it disingenuous to say the cruelty was the point? Should we actually be talking about Hitler's terrible economic ideas?
To be fair, it WAS a pretty terrible long term economic plan to attempt to systematically murder huge swaths of your citizenry.
It is just that the moral, ethical, humane, etc horrors of that direction are much more important.
I agree, but there’s not much more “understanding” necessary when we’re dealing with child death. If nothing gets fixed after this, then what’s left to try to understand?
Why won't anybody think of poor Greg!!!
I don’t understand why the federal government allows these buses (or chartered planes, or whatever) to continue. Since it involves crossing state borders, don’t the feds have jurisdiction?
I don’t know what the passengers were told in this instance, but in other cases, people were lied to. They agreed to go because were told they would be getting jobs and homes. I don’t think they would have voluntarily gone if they were told the truth - “we’re going to dump you somewhere as a political stunt. We’re not giving them any prior notice, so it’s anyone’s guess as to how you and your family will be taken care of. We don’t care, because to us, you’re not people. You’re just tools we’ll use to own the libs.”
When some creep lures a kid into a van with the promise of candy, and then drives them halfway across the country, we call it kidnapping. Why hasn’t anyone been prosecuted?
IIRC it's being worked on. I think they're working on builing a case.
I certainly hope so! Thanks!
A child died while he was trafficking immigrants. Why is he not in a federal prison?
Enough republicans support this and many republicans coming from out of state are keeping Texas red.
Because he's a Republican and the DOJ would have to care
As the conservatives cheer...
I don’t think the online backlash matters. The real question is if Abbott is receiving any backlash in Texas and it appears probably not much, if any. Texans need to step up here and they don’t seem to be doing that.
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This but unironically
Not.All.Texans.
But most of their voters sadly.
Blue areas tend to be disgusted with his actions, red don't care at best or think, "well that's what they get trying to cross illegally". The problem however, is that the districts are gerrymandered like crazy and the actual polling places tend to disproportionately be in Republican areas, which makes it hard for Democrats to get a real hold anywhere they don't already have control of. Additionally, the Democrats really feel like they aren't sending their best. Iirc Beto didn't originally want to run for governor, but he did because all the other options were so bad that very few people even knew who they were.
Mission accomplished from his voters' perspective.
@HLMenckenFan
That's a murder charge if the parents did it so it should be the same for Abbott.
Jayzuz America. What in the fuck are you doing???
Murder??? What are you basing that on?
The dead child, I would wager.
In a perfect world no child would ever die, but in our world children die sometimes. Medical problems do not discriminate.
If only there were some sort of way to ensure children don't have any serious medical problems before you lie to them to illegally transport them over state lines...
We have no information to say that they were lied to or that the transport method is illegal.
Except for, you know, how that's how they keep doing it.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/jun/04/migrants-california-left-outside-church
https://www.npr.org/2022/09/15/1123109768/migrants-sent-to-marthas-vineyard
https://www.wusa9.com/article/news/local/dc/a-lie-some-migrants-say-theyre-being-bused-to-district-under-false-pretenses/65-9e0cda60-5f12-4649-af5b-b8810a20345c
But I'm sure they were honest this time.
Completely agree with you. It's probably involuntary manslaughter due to gross negligence.
Or just happenstance. People have medical issues sometimes, it's unlikely that there's any criminality involved in my opinion.
Depends on the criminality of government entities coercing migrant families into cross-state bus rides to be dropped off on the street...Unfortunately, you seem to be right.
Texas: Dead migrant children are a feature, not a bug.
I know it's not the whole State. But holy crap, the optics are not good. Looking at Florida as well.
Big pro life energy
Jail.
Ah but this is for the "pro-life" crowd, they'll eat it up.
Probably not literally.
Oh, no! Backlash? Whatever shall he do?
(Hint: the same thing he always does due to lack of consequences)
I'm pretty sure he won't be walking anywhere any time soon.
He doesn't do a whole lot of walking
It is sad what has happened to the migrants. Not surprised Greg Abbott is facing backlash.
I don't see the problem. No one presented with symptoms before getting on, and as soon as there was a medical issue, they stopped and 911 was called. Everyone acted the way they were supposed to. Kid was going to die no matter what.
@Blamemeta @HLMenckenFan
When authorities have lied so often before why would you believe, without quesion, what they say happened here?
I'll wait for the investigation to be completed first.
Explain what medical history checks were made before loading these people on the bus, and how thorough they are.
What exact thing did this kid die of? You must know to make such an absolute statement about a pre-existing condition. What do you know about this child that you can be so sure they were going to die regardless?
Finally, why is it you seem more concerned with defending Abbott than you are that a child died at all?
Article didn't say.
And yet you're speaking as if you know definitively. Why is that?
If it's not because you know for sure, it seems like it's because this is the outcome you prefer: dead migrants and migrant children.
I would not call this sufficient testing, but again, there is only so much that can be done and this sort of transport should not even be occurring. I however do know the process in and out.
Having said that, the process is that before letting them on the bus, TDEM does a temperature check for COVID or other ILI symptoms, and also ask the adults if they have any symptoms. There is also a medical review that CBP does prior to even having that release from time in custody.
Once on the bus, there is the driver, and the security guard, neither of which have medical responsibility.
Source: I know the person that created this process very well.
How many times have you punched them in the face for being a monster? Because if it's less than one, you're complicit.
We moved away from Texas and that job due to exactly this actually. Put principle ahead of anything else.
A child dies on a bus where they shouldn't have even been in the first place due to lying politicians.
You: I don't see the problem.
Really?
According to the article, everyone did what they could as soon as the problem was known. Are busses dangerous?
Maybe I could've worded it better, but Im not sure how.
Maybe they could have checked the kid out before putting him on the bus rather than as soon as there was a problem. I mean if you're going to illegally deport people from a state, something that states absolutely do not have the right to do, the least you could do is give them a physical before doing it.
They are not forced to get on the bus, they are just given the option. Common myth.
https://www.texastribune.org/2023/05/11/texas-abbott-migrant-buses-washington-kamala-harris-title-42/
They are lied to. You can't seriously be arguing that lying to someone is a valid option.
Got a source?
Keep those undocumented people down there, don't ship em up here!!!
Ignorant mf