In recent years, television personality Mike Rowe has amassed a wildly popular following due to alleged working-class straight talk about topics ranging from the affordability of college to reasserting a culture of pride in craftsmanship and labor. From his 5.2 million Facebook followers to his cable programs, his everyman schtick, on its surface, can be very appealing: after all, who doesn’t love a hard day’s work and loathe detached, ivory tower eggheads?
But hiding under his superficially appealing blue-collar façade is dangerous ideology, one funded by the Koch Brothers and other far-right, anti-labor corporate interests and specifically tailored to pick off a certain constituency of Home Depot Democrats while pushing political impotence, anti-union narratives and anti-intellectualism. Through a clever combination of working class affectation and folksy charm – often exploiting real fears about a decline in industrialization – Rowe has cultivated an image that claims to be pro-worker, but primarily exists to line the pockets of their boss.
oh yea, we knew his allegience when trump won his 1st term, he gave the interview "its not so bad, and you should accept it" yea we know your trying to surgar coat your support for him.
If I ran a grow op I’d name that strain and funnel the proceeds to help trans kids with counseling and support, just to point the middle finger directly at their latest boogeyman.
Shame since he’s been an icon for so long and helped a lot of kids with the football program, but I guess above a certain level of wealth the only religion you follow is money and everything else including morality is just an opportunity for profit.
I'm ok with people shutting the fuck up and disappearing when they get called out for being arseholes. In fact, I wish more people were capable of that.
I must have missed the latest Snoop Drama, but don't bother to update me - I don't care about Snoop. He always struck me as a dude that's just constantly baked and will say yes to pretty much anything without too much scrutiny, so he can turn up pretty much ANYWHERE. That's bound to backfire eventually.
Except the Twilight series glorified toxic relationships, normalized abuse and underage grooming, and hit an uncomfortable number of red flags in DSM-5.
I’m not sure who ever decided it was a good idea for celebrities to write their own brain garbage into social media accounts instead of having their media team handle it. It’s like how you’d never get Hollywood actors appears in a toilet roll advert until the ones they did in Japan got onto the web, and now it’s totally normalised for them to be undignified. I guess all of this coincided with the old star system being replaced by the primacy of IPs and endless “franchises”, where once the film poster used to just show Sandra Bullock and say “look, it’s Sandra Bullock you idiot” and that was enough.
Honestly even now the whole things looks so staged, almost like they were planning for it to be some kind of inside joke and it went wrong?? I just dont get it, never will.
Yep. And to think I used to admire him. I've had some modest success as a published science fiction and fantasy writer, and I specifically cited him as inspiration for one of my published stories.
Like most men in power, they use it as a way to get close to people they can assert their power or dominance over.
I think he believes he's actually a feminist. it's a subtle difference, but an important one. He genuinely believes he's a good guy and the things he does helps more women than it hurts.
That's why he's a piece of shit and so dangerous. He believes his own lies.
She's not the only one to do that. Many people precede her, including Rice and Biegel. Same within the retelling of myths and legends. Writers have been doing that for decades. There's no need to make stuff up, he's a horrible person without made up nonsense.
If you read her you'll see what I am talking about.
One good example. In her book 'Death's Master' she came up with hte idea that Death and Delusion were relatives. He expanded on that idea with The Sandman.
too bad he really 2 good series going on, the series cancelled them both, not because of his sexual harrasment/assaults, now they cant continue due to publicity anyways.
Wasn't really a fan as such, but I also though as far as billionaires go he's at least useful to humanity.
He should have kept to what he was good at - marketing big ideas. Unfortunately narcissists don't work that way.
as far as billionaires go he’s at least useful to humanity.
There's a good argument that this is still true (PS: in historical terms) despite everything. Without China the green-tech revolution would be decades behind schedule, and it took Tesla to make China move.
Really? So where are all its peer competitors? This person has obviously gone off the rails but was once extremely good at making seemingly impossible things happen.
The charismatic guy at the top may always get all the credit, but hundreds of other people played a role in Tesla's success. He wasn't even a founder of the company. All we can really say is that he bought in at the right time, but we don't know how much of Tesla's success was down to his personal decisions. If anything, it seems like Tesla's decline really started when Musk started using the company more and more for his personal pet projects (Cybertruck, Teslabots etc) rather than the cars that people actually want.
Yeah, all those losers born in Soweto in 1971 who haven't used their enormous wealth to fund a bunch of different business ventures. What are they even doing?
Tesla maybe helped boosting Chinas EV industry ... but very little for green-tech in general. And EVs are not a particular green or revolutionary technology in the first place.
So no, I don't think he did much for humanity here.
And EVs are not a particular green or revolutionary technology in the first place.
I think most agree that, at least, EVs are needed to evolve away from the CO2 generated from petroleum consumption used in cars and trucks. Yes yes, "public transportation better for moving people" but that doesn't work for all countries especially those with lower density population areas. Further "public transporation" does nothing for the "last mile" delivery of goods with regard to logistics.
In almost every situation an EV is better than an ICE vehicle in respect to being "green" and vehicles are what our current systems are designed around.
No, I really don't agree. Like, at all. The problem is largely that geometry of vehicles creates those highly-destructive, resource-intensive, low-density population areas, and that's the problem that we need to address. In that respect, EVs are just like any other vehicle. Same streets, same highways, same parking lots, same garages, same bi-weekly grocery runs to the store 5 miles away. We can start to address those problems (zoning, building codes, environmental regulations, land-use, tax structures, and such) now, and it won't be any easier after 20 years of further automobile-oriented development while we transition the fleet to EVs. It'll just be 20 years more entrenched. Yeah, EVs help somewhat, but the way we're approaching them now, they're like treating 10% of your cancer.
(I take that back if the EVs we're talking about here are e-bikes and micromobility devices.)
You're talking about trying to fix a multi-generational problem. In many places the things you're asking to change have been in place for hundreds years. The politics and land ownership laws and implications are immense! That is NOT a fast problem to fix. If you're taking EVs off the table, then that means you're committing to 30-50 years of ICE vehicles pumping out CO2 all of that time.
How can you consider non-EVs a greener solution in your scenario?
(I take that back if the EVs we’re talking about here are e-bikes and micromobility devices.)
Its simply not possible to deliver 2000kg or 2000lbs of cargo to a business for last mile delivery in a timely fashion without a much larger vehicle than an e-bike. Why on Earth would you want a belching diesel vehicle doing that for decades on end when an EV could it with zero CO2 emissions?
It's a multi-generational problem, so we should start fixing it now. Why is it going to be easier to solve 30-50 years from now? Why should we wait until we've transitioned to EVs to start the process? What is it about EVs is going to make that easier?
I agree that Ellen was significant in the race to EVs, but that is definitely in the past. As far as present tense goes, nah.
The tenses are a bit murky "I used to think 'he's useful...'" "this still true..." could kinda go either way, but it sounds like you're saying it applies today, and nah.
Just read what I write, rather than what you think I might be trying to say.
I can't find it now but there was an analysis a few days ago by a reputable source, maybe in The Atlantic, which said basically what I just said. It's not scandalous. The guy has an impressive record as a business leader. Perhaps not as a product specialist, or even an engineer, but as force for making things happen at the company level.
Anyway, apparently there's not much willingness to engage in nuanced debate here so that's all I have to say.
I'll never forget the chill that ran down my spine when that thing with these cave kids happend in Thailand, and some random guy tweeted him: pleas mr. Musk, you are the closest thing we have to tony stark, help them. I felt genuinely disgusted.
Musk losing it and calling that other dude a pedo during this event is what got me to start hopping off the musk train, so I kinda feel thankful for it?
Watching the SpaceX engineers transform those pods overnight really highlighted the fact that all he does is talk until other, more capable people actually make it happen. They probably could have been quite helpful had he not got in the way with his tantrums.
At teh end it really wasn't helpful at all and the diver who saved them explained why. That led to his tantrum. I appreciate they tried, but at the end they werre just victims of a marketing stunt.
You’d think so right? I’m a certified diver and love swimming around the bottom of the ocean but caves and climbing inside shipwrecks is a hard pass. Just going through a lava tube and scraping my tank on the rock gives me the heebie jeebies
he always seem wierd to me wasnt a good first impression, he made news, i assume many people found out who he was when announcing the sub/calling the thai seals pedos.
Yeah, that thing with the Thai soccer team really opened my eyes. Later, I saw a documentary on the situation, and there was no way that his submarine idea could have worked, it simply would not have fit.
But rather than accept that those on the scene were more knowledgeable about the situation, he immediately jumped to calling the rescuers pedos, as if the only reason they wanted to rescue them was because they were young boys, and wanted to molest them. What an unhinged take, proving that he was more interested in playing the hero and feeding his ego, than actually rescuing anyone. He saw an opportunity for global promotion, and was pissed when it was denied to him.
It showed me a side that we hadn't seen before, but turned out to be his real personality.
My family had "The Best of Bill Cosby" album when I was a kid and we listened to it a lot. Some of the funniest bits on that album and I always had warm memories sitting and listening to them.
Then it comes out that he's a complete monster. All those family memories tied to that now, it really sucks.
pedos rarely instrospect or apologize, because they know its wrong. one of his victims was rapp i believe. spacey was doubling down by deflecting every chance he got.
It's not a Lemmy thread without some Star Trek references
Robert Beltran (Chakotey), Roxan Dawson (B'Elanna), and Manu Intiravmi (Icheb).
All three of these actors fell off after ST:Voyager and became vile conservative shit posters. I know Robert especially likes to respond to anti Trump or anti Trump Policy tweets the other ex cast members make with "both sides" arguments.
It's sad in my eyes, but I do hold ST on a pretty high pedestal.
It's extremely funny that she ruined her own career, including a likely spin-off starring her, because she wouldn't stop comparing the criticism of conservatives and their beliefs to the mass persecution and murder of Jews during the Holocaust.
It's also extremely funny that she went on to make a movie with The Daily Wire, no one saw it, it got called woke for being an action movie starring a woman.
To top that off, it's also extremely funny that The Daily Wire is FULL of people who couldn't cut it in Hollywood, so they kept self-financing their own shitty movies, and are now in financial trouble.
I thought the same when she’s chewing the match in Deadpool but then found that out and just kept rooting for Mando to discover she’s a spy and space her but they just wrote her out
Well, I always kind of hated Beltran as an actor. Really disappointed about the other 2 though, I had no idea.
Edit: I'm not seeing anything whatsoever on Google about Dawson related to Trump or even the Republicans, aside from one single Reddit post with a similar comment.
Look up his interview he did on Fox News last year. He basically blamed black people for there current situation in themselves and also said that Biden was a terrible president and he didn’t outright endorse Trump but he danced around it.
As part of WWE's non-partisan "Smackdown Your Vote" campaign aiming to encourage young people to vote,[405] Johnson had a speaking role at the 2000 Republican National Convention[406] and attended the 2000 Democratic National Convention less than two weeks later.[407]
Johnson voted for Barack Obama in 2008 and 2012,[276] but did not vote in 2016,[408] and was an independent voter as of 2017.[409] He endorsed Joe Biden in 2020,[410] but told Fox News in an April 2024 interview that he regretted the decision due to it causing "division" and refused to endorse anyone in 2024.[411]
Imo not good, but definitely nuanced and probably not great. I didn't see the interview though so I don't know.
He's trying to stay independent because he fantasizes about running for president one day. He even did a TV show where the framing device was him being interviewed as a presidential candidate, so they could show his life in flashbacks. It was an obvious ploy to position him as a legitimate political candidate in viewers' minds.
Every rich and/or famous person now thinks they should be president.
I believe he refused to endorse Kamala and then like a true coward said he was keeping his political views private, its was pretty sad. The pathetic coward was terrified of a maga boycott of his garbage movies.
Also of his volunteering with Oprah in Hawaii with the huge fire. Weird seeing humans that have exorbitant amount of money that can actually help, and they're just passing out water bottles to the people that lost their homes saying that "they wish they could do more to help/hope things work out for them." It was a publicity stunt at the expense of people who lost everything.
hes also a very difficult actor to work with in the industry, hes known as the "ellen degeneres" of male actors. must have as much if not more attention as the lead in a movie, or as much action or more action than other people. also hes pretty much attention seeker, and people compared him to dave bautista, dave is actor, and he only wanted the glory of a movie star.
There was a time when SpaceX and Tesla seemed like they were gonna change the world for the better, less co2, going to Mars and he even gave a few talks at astronomy events where he spoke about how carbon capture on Mars could be used to make rocket fuel (which is real and has been done btw) and bring starship rockets back, and how that same tech could be used on earth to help fight global warming. The future was gonna be amazing and I honestly believed he was gonna help make it happen
there's a real reason marvel had him in iron man 2
Yeah, I was never a true believer or fanboy, but back before he lost his mind and fired his PR department, I was cool with the electric cars, space exploration, solar roofs, trains, and even fun flamethrowers.
Honestly thought there were gonna be downvotes on this one about people saying how Elon never invented anything or founded anything and it was all a persona. I believed it though and all that climate change stuff I thought was genuine.
Honestly thought there were gonna be downvotes on this one
same but I still wanted to say it. ngl I kinda believe a lot of people base their opinion of what someone is saying just off the upvote/downvotes ratio without thinking about it as much as they could, so the upvotes on this one may have been caused by the first few people seeing it agreeing with it
Mostly how he threw Kyle Gass under the bus over his Trump joke, cancelling the entire tour as well. Just so he can keep his trashy movie career going? Also he is in way too much stuff. Jack Black just doesn't belong in Star Wars or Lord of the Rings ... even when it's just fan fiction.
Just read up on the trump comment. I understand Jack has this family friendly persona that he likes to keep. I don’t agree with cancelling the tour and putting creative plans on hold. But I can understand why he’d be instantly on damage control.
I share the same sentiment as Kyle. I really was saddened that the guy missed.
Consider his work, other than Tenacious D. His roles in movies, random guest star appearances at concerts and such. He’s crafted this lovable teddy bear image. That’s what I’m referring to. Yes, he and Kyle have cultivated a fan base for Tenacious D that is anything but wholesome. But there is more to his image than just that. Most people that only know of him from his performances in movies see him as a family friendly silly guy. That has become his bread and butter.
Again, I don’t agree with his response to Kyle’s birthday wish, but I can understand why he would be on the defensive for it.
I really don't get the family persona bit here. Yes, it's "a thing", but this happened at a Tenacious D concert. His definitively not child friendly persona singing songs like "Fuck her gently".
I still reckon his only really good non-Tenacious D work was Nacho Libre. Everything else has been a load of saccharine nonsense. Even Nacho is kinda saccharine, but it at least has a whacky style to it. "Chancho, when you are a man, sometimes you wear stretchy pants in your room. Just for fun."
His Tenacious D bandmate, Kyle Gass, made a joke about assassinating Donald Trump. Black put out a statement criticizing and distancing himself from Gass while also placing the band on hiatus, cancelling a then-ongoing world tour. People feel he threw a longtime friend under the bus in order to protect his public image.
Alternate theory: Jack understands that bad press impacts the movies he works on and that hundreds to thousands of people depend on those movies doing well. It sucks he did this but as an adult whose actions could have a negative impact on my co-workers incomes I get it
More like goota protect the returns so that the FX team that spent years on the film have stronger resumes based on a successful film rather than one that tanked because Jack Black did something stupid.
I get why someone would lose respect for him over that, but he's a celeb who's cultivated a wholesome kid-oriented image of inclusivity rather than culture warrior. He's in the "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" camp which is probably where folks like Fred Roger's would be were he here today.
So I guess I didn't expect much more from him, but I'm also not a huge fan or anything, just enjoy his work, so I'm not in a position to really be disappointed in him.
if someone handles a ball nicely, writes a book, sings a song or plays guitar, like them for that and stop assuming they must also be wise in family advice or politically savvy
You have to be incredibly good at something for me to ignore you being an asshole. There are also certain things that are unforgivable even if the art is good.
It's like Cosby was funny, but he drugged and raped people, so it's hard to laugh at him now.
Let's pretend for a moment Cosby is not a rapist; why do anyone infer that, because his comedy was good, he would be a good role model or have savvy life advice to give or know about politics, etc?
I completely agree with you that it's is almost impossible to enjoy whatever celebrities do (art, sports, etc) if they are horrible people. however, that line is subjective. Many would still like Cosby if we had found out he does not donate to charity or even if he is an absent dad or if he were a terrible driver... obviously the rapist thing goes too far
I'm gonna be the first akshually here and point out that Cosby is a bad example because he DID present himself as a guiding voice and role model and came to fame by creating a cartoon showing inner city kids how to be good to each other and handle life issues.
It really comes down to the calculus of how much I like them vs what did they actually do (with some things being truly unforgivable).
For example, Sylvester Stallone recently came out in big support of Trump. To me, that makes him a huge ass. That said, I'll still watch Rocky 4 if it comes on (all the while, in the back of my head thinking "wow, really, Trump.. that's your guy?"). So my perception of him and his movies change, but also it's his right to be an idiot.
In the same vein, Rob Schneider has recently made his whole personality a bitter old conservative "comic'. He really brings little of value to the table, so he can easily be dismissed. His value/drama ratio isn't worth giving him the time of day -- we'll outside of this example.
I can't totally divorce the person from their content, but I try when their stuff is great and what they did isn't too repulsive.
After hearing from Robs daughter how she was treated and what he was / is like as a person, I can't like anything he did, and it all comes across narcissistic and creepy from that viewpoint. It's like a game of power but with a curse. (whatever that game is really called,)
I also throw into the equation "How much time has passed?"
I'm no massive fan but Mark Wahlberg is a good example, dude was a straight up violent racist asshole when he was young but the last thing was in 1992. I just cant bring myself to be mad at a 54yo for something he did 23 years ago.
seinfeld is like rob,"why arnt you laughing at my jokes, are you all woke" no because you support israel government, and your wife is currently funding state side groups.
The audience can make up their mind on how to enjoy entertainment without your approval of their thoughts and experiences . That’s how free will works.
You don’t need to seek approval and apologize for having free will. Nor does anyone owe you an apology for their own. And they don’t owe you an explanation for having it.
jackien chan, he went SHILLING FOR THE CCP sometime ago, and was ousted from HK film industry for that, and he couldnt even make it as a party member. i saw him making news again because he was in cobra kai, that isnt going to save his fame. also abandoned one of his daughters in canada with no money,.
Same deal with Steven Seagal, used to think he was a badass. Now the shitbag is clinking glasses with Putin and can totally still beat up multiple stuntmen.
You know who actually was a badass and didn’t say a goddamn word about it? Bob Ross. Most people don’t even know he spent years in an Air Force uniform before painting those happy little trees and trying to bring some joy to people.
I can’t even remember the last time someone said a chuck Norris joke…oh yeah it all died suddenly when he came out as an ultra Christian and revealed he didn’t understand how jokes work. He started correcting people that his tears do not actually cure cancer.
Yup, he turned into a dick as he got old. A lot of celebs do that, or they cant afford that PR team anymore that used to make the look like they werent aholes.
his early podcast with kevin smith was hilarious because at one point kevin smith stands up to stretch his legs and he was so high he forgot to sit back down
Seems to me his shtick got old right around the time "Lifes too Short" came out, that show started out with a few funny gags but by the end of it I was seriously stuck that this entire show was them making fun of a little person for no good reason.
At some point I realised his "ironic" depictions aren't ironic at all, he genuinely is just an average bigot who likes punching down.
The only difference between him and some racist sexist ableist playground bully from the 1950s is Gervais has managed to convince a swathe of people that is ironic and edgy somehow.
There's a fine line between poking fun at everything and being insufferably smug, and I reckon he's crossed it a bit. The difference is forgetting to include yourself in 'everything'.
I was a big fan of the superman portrayal of Dean Cain. Turns out the shit bag is as far away from the ethos of superman as you can be. Fuck him for staining a childhood favorite portrayal of one of my favo characters.
so many actors became looney christians and or right wing after series of strokes. sorbo is another, and jim cavaziel. Mel became one after he made real antisemitic remarks(and apologized ina condescending way).
i think another one is the shazam guy, the actor hes a scientologist?
Ugh, don't remind me. Zachary Levi broke my heart. Arcade Gannon was one of my favorite F:NV companions, too. At least there's still Felicia Day and Danny Trejo.
Another disappointment to hear about was Michael Peña (Luis from Ant Man).
also the barts VA, she became a wierdo trying to convince people into scientology in her bart voice. Cartright. remember pat kilbaine of madtv? if you follow SEALs, he had a wierd jealousy issue he wasnt getting paid by the SEAL podcast 10years ago, if you know who chris kyle is the famous sniper. they had an issue with him. pat decided to sue them for breaching "his contract".
gary sinese is another one, he conveniently came out as republican(even though we already suspected he was one, come on your taking on roles the same as pratt, always authotarian roles in movies/shows), and at the same time virtue signalling for vets just because 1 time he visited a vet hospital and he feels like part of the vet community, as if you actually care for them, your just a republican version of bill gates for vets. last year before the election, in order to drum up support for trump and i suspect because the anti-VA stance is hurting the gop. people were calling him out why he isnt denoucing the gop for slashing va funds. unlike jon stewart who has been calling them out for quite some time and supporting the vets. he was overtaking certain subs he was posting in(gary). gary gave an interview why he left acting, no we know why, not because it was your son. but because your republican beliefs wouldve rubbed people the wrong way down the line your just saving face.
and i saw gary doing AMA and pics on a strangely regular schedule on reddit recently. a comparison would ALec baldwins wife, hilaria(who acts like shes been spanish because she lived for a few years).
Roger Taylor and Brian May from Queen. Not due to them being overt assholes, but about how the treated the cinematic legacy of Freddy Mercury.
The blocked a movie idea with Sasha Baron Cohen playing Freddie in his flamboyant, over the top lifestyle as they wanted it to be 'more about the band' and they wanted Freddies death to be the middle part of the story, where the last half was them two (as Roger Deacon had walked away from them) protecting Freddies legacy.
I mean, the reason people loved Freddie was over his larger than life persona, and I'm convinced Cohen could've struck the note between the over-the-top, the fabulous and the pesonal Freddie.
Instead we got BoRep, which was an awful movie with a polished up storyline and danger free scenes. Also it was horribly edited.
I must say, they haven't done horrible stuff, they are decent individuals. But they got their succes out of working with Freddie yet they fail to see why everybody was so enchanted by Freddie and not so much by themselves.
Members of one of the most famous bands in the world, yeah they fit the thread, and you took the extra time to detail why. I dislike them for the same reason, and it was a well written post 👍
Ashamed to admit I was once (pre-Sachs phone call) at least intrigued and open to the idea of liking the noted sex pest and abuser Russell Brad. Stuff has continued to get worse.
Had been a fan of Kevin Spacey, too.
Gaga and P!nk have also gone done in my estimations somewhat, but unlike everyone else no serious reason for it.
Obligatory Gaiman and JK Rowling, too.
Edit: oh, and Luis Scott Vargas. Abandoned his pregnant wife for someone else, and started shilling crypto. 😵🤷🏼🙆🏾♂️
cringey how miley kunis and asthon kutcher were shilling for him, and then fleeing to the europe, because they are facing criticism or connection to him/ SA. Ellen did the same thing with diddy.
I kind of feel for people who were close with people who were outed as sex offenders, because they didnt come in on monday "Hey, Danny! How was your weekend?" "Bro I spiked a girls drink and raped her in my car, it was awesome." I worked with a guy for years, his daughter had "issues" and then one day it came out that he was a sexual abuser of his own daughter. Which explained her mental health issues. In that case he quit his job, got his affairs in order and pled guilty. But I still remember thinking he was a great guy, until he wasnt... now I'm going to find it really hard to not pop his nose out the back of his fucking head if I ever run into him again.
Now throw in the potential "attention seeking" behaviors that could happen with famous people, people hoping for a payout, jilted exes and someone you have known for years swearing up and down they didnt do it... Id want to support my friend too.
Yeah, its rare that its definitively proven either way. I'm saying that I dont blame people for wanting to believe their friends and family are innocent when accused of rape famous or not.
For me Bill Cosby was not surprising. Danny Masterson was disappointing. I havent yet heard what Steven Tyler or Kevin Spacey did and now I'm afraid to Google it. I have no idea who Anthony Kiedis is.
...just looked them all up...sigh, yeah. I'm with you. It does make it impossible to appreciate the art with that knowledge.
I used to like Katy Perry's music in high-school. Now shes super cringe hanging out with basically our version of Lex Luthor so I dont listen to her music anymore.
Went to space with Jeff Bezos. It was a tone deaf "omg were women going into space" when everyone cringed and saw it as "look what I can do when I befriend a billionaire".
Don’t leave out how weird she started acting. Like it was 10 minutes but she acted like she was on shrooms and then her music got fucking weird as did her dancing and videos.
It’s like she forgot how to be an artist and started acting like an amateur romping around in some basement.
I still can't believe he's riding the Trump train, and is returning as Beast for the new Marvel films at the same time. The cognitive dissonance is confounding me.
Adding Louis CK to the list. I used to like his shows, and genuinely found the writing and his takes to be thoughtful and helpful. Finding out he was gross and shitty the whole time sucked.
I never understood this take. Like, did you not actually listen to the shit he said when you "liked" his shows? Did you not see the skit where he went on a morning interview and told his female interviewer that he was going to jerk off to her later and there was nothing she could do about it? If so, how was it actually surprising to hear he jerked off infront of a female coworker after he told her he was going to do it? You can separate the art from the artist all you want, but at some point you have to realize that all that art came from somewhere.
A lot of his humor was based on things you want to do but don't. So exploring dark desires that you should not act on is reasonable for comedy. Then it comes out that he did some of that stuff and it's not funny anymore.
hes it disappointing he had the foreknowledge to shield his "cancellation" by moving it all online shows. he pratically came back amonsgt conservatives people and men who dint know his past history.
Throughout that entire article, only the poker stuff had anything to actually fault Maguire with, and it appears to depend entirely on what Molly Bloom said.
Sarah Silverman, said the palestinian babies need to die because theyll grow up to be terrorists then turned off comments for a year on ig, she said more than that had a whole tirade, ruined her. Shes back now pretending she didnt say anything, pr team put in work. My post on her reddit got deleted so I stopped caring about telling ppl, but this made me remember.
Really enjoyed the sarah silverman show, learning this and the cop in her show who was jimmy in bobs burgers went to the jan 6th riots really ruined it for me.
I don't follow other people's private activities, but this one hurt a lot. He remains one of my favourite authors, and having him disappear from publishing leaves holes in my library (Trees and Injection, in particular).
Carlos Sobera, a really great TV host in Spain, with the boom of sport betting websites and almost no regulations on the ads, he became the face of one of those websites with very aggressive tactics.
He also started to appear on ads for a payday loan company.
So he was promoting gambling and high interest small loans that are used by gambling adicts.
In the wake of his divorce there were a handful of comments from Jennifer Anniston that suggested he was abusive. This has since been backed up by his last wife and several of his kids.
Oh god damn it, what did he do? I'm assuming something to do with Palestine. I had just gotten back into Disturbed after just kind of forgetting they existed for ~10 years…
He's hardly a celebrity but I'd say Van Neistat (Casey's brother)
I was all in when he started his YouTube channel and found him really relatabe and interesting but it took less than half a year and it became painfully obvious that he's only doing it for the money and it shows. That's about the fastest I've gone from discovering a new interesting person to losing my respect for them.
there is something about celebrity worship to be inferred from the fact that there is only 1 non-american celebrity listed in this tgread (spanish news anchor).
I think people here are taking OPs question a little bit to seriously and Kevin Smith is 100% a valid answer. The question was about someone you "liked" and don't "like" now. Not, who turned out to be a horrible person.
Kevin Smith hasn't done anything controversial and genuinely seems like a nice man enjoying life and good for him. But, artisticly his movies have fallen off considerably in my opinion and lack any effort/message. Personality wise he's also made a major shift. Previously being more thoughtful and critical of things to now kind of just gone full "happy stoner shill".
As someone who grew up in 90s New Jersey Kevin Smiths and his early work will always hold a special place in my heart but I'll probably never watch anything new he'll ever make the rest of my life.
I've gotten into arguments with friends about this, but decades ago I stayed home from work sick and watched his Netflix special about how he got kicked off a Southwest flight for being too fat. I was raised religious and have evolved my thoughts over the years, but his parents were in a audience, and he said some of the most crass shit I've ever heard. My parents would've washed my mouth out with soap if I said what he said. I understand overall he's very generous, but seeing his special left a bad taste in my mouth.
Mike Rowe.
Had a really good following when he did Dirty Jobs and then did a hard pivot to conservative, anti-union, pro-profiteering talking head.
Anyone who does a "buy gold" commercial is instantaneously persona non grata for me. Such a remarkable litmus test. Mike Rowe is one of them.
Or the "Reverse Mortgage" scam. Looking at you Tom Selleck!
No mustache can save you now
https://dts.podtrac.com/redirect.mp3/traffic.libsyn.com/secure/citationsneeded/CN64_20190130_rowe_quinby2.mp3?dest-id=542191
of course the Koch brothers involved, its either Koch, OR putin funded.
Thats why EVERY SINGLE MENTION of "Soros!" has to be immediately responded with "Kochs"
Edit: fick thus gpddamn jryboard
doubt conservatives know who koch brothers are, they dont read too deep.
It makes them feel funny to say the word 'Koch'.
I have to agree with this. He has become such an asshole.
oh yea, we knew his allegience when trump won his 1st term, he gave the interview "its not so bad, and you should accept it" yea we know your trying to surgar coat your support for him.
proven in court by the way
I like him. He feels like one of the only podcast guests out there who actually acknowledges that not everyone works in an office or a startup.
Robert Evans from Behind the Bastards has the same attitude but with a political ideology that actually supports blue collar workers.
*Robert Evans.
Thank you. Corrected.
Evan?
Snoop Dogg. Black man playing songs at an orange man’s klan rally, at this point Martha Stewart is more gangster than he is.
By the same token, my respect for Kendrick went up 1000% after his halftime show.
Yup, coward has been in hiding since the first negative articles came out. Just another sad human showing his greed over what is right.
Hmm maybe there should be a new strain out there sold as Snoop Sellout Kush.
If I ran a grow op I’d name that strain and funnel the proceeds to help trans kids with counseling and support, just to point the middle finger directly at their latest boogeyman.
Shame since he’s been an icon for so long and helped a lot of kids with the football program, but I guess above a certain level of wealth the only religion you follow is money and everything else including morality is just an opportunity for profit.
I'm ok with people shutting the fuck up and disappearing when they get called out for being arseholes. In fact, I wish more people were capable of that.
I must have missed the latest Snoop Drama, but don't bother to update me - I don't care about Snoop. He always struck me as a dude that's just constantly baked and will say yes to pretty much anything without too much scrutiny, so he can turn up pretty much ANYWHERE. That's bound to backfire eventually.
JK Rowling. Why can't she just shut up and write kids books?
In that regard I have to praise Stephanie Meyer: she made her money and then fucked off, never to be heard from again.
I'm pretty sure she still writes books.
Though she's been writing some Netflix animated series lately.
Except the Twilight series glorified toxic relationships, normalized abuse and underage grooming, and hit an uncomfortable number of red flags in DSM-5.
That's why I started with "in that regard"
mormon propaganda
I’m not sure who ever decided it was a good idea for celebrities to write their own brain garbage into social media accounts instead of having their media team handle it. It’s like how you’d never get Hollywood actors appears in a toilet roll advert until the ones they did in Japan got onto the web, and now it’s totally normalised for them to be undignified. I guess all of this coincided with the old star system being replaced by the primacy of IPs and endless “franchises”, where once the film poster used to just show Sandra Bullock and say “look, it’s Sandra Bullock you idiot” and that was enough.
Will Smith because of what he did to Chris Rock. Guy isn't a genuine role model anymore.
Yeah. He got slappy wid' it.
Na-na na-na na na-na!
Will smith was a role model?
90s will Smith was the shit.
He didn’t have to curse in his raps to sell records.
We'll fuck him, and fuck you, too!
Well, I do. So fuck him, and fuck you too!
.....and he used to be well respected, it's so weird to see what has become of him lately.
I is and was pretti insane in every interview i have ever seen after the prince of bel air, so idk.
Pussy can make man crazy.
I think Scientology is also somewhat involved
Honestly even now the whole things looks so staged, almost like they were planning for it to be some kind of inside joke and it went wrong?? I just dont get it, never will.
Neil Gaiman
Came here for this one. Fuck "separate the art from the artist." I will never read one of his books again.
If he wasn't preachy/performative about his "feminism" it wouldn't be as awful
Feminism is in quotes because IMO he doesn't believe what he preaches
Yep. And to think I used to admire him. I've had some modest success as a published science fiction and fantasy writer, and I specifically cited him as inspiration for one of my published stories.
Wish I could take it back.
He believes it, he just doesn't practice it.
Like most men in power, they use it as a way to get close to people they can assert their power or dominance over.
I think he believes he's actually a feminist. it's a subtle difference, but an important one. He genuinely believes he's a good guy and the things he does helps more women than it hurts.
That's why he's a piece of shit and so dangerous. He believes his own lies.
Gaiman stole all his best stuff from Tanith Lee.
https://bookshop.org/p/books/red-as-blood-tales-of-the-sisters-grimmer-tanith-lee/14214058?ean=9781479447473&next=t
She takes all the Disney princesses and rewrites them as evil; Cinderella is a witch who drives the Prince insane and Snow White is a vampire.
She's not the only one to do that. Many people precede her, including Rice and Biegel. Same within the retelling of myths and legends. Writers have been doing that for decades. There's no need to make stuff up, he's a horrible person without made up nonsense.
If you read her you'll see what I am talking about.
One good example. In her book 'Death's Master' she came up with hte idea that Death and Delusion were relatives. He expanded on that idea with The Sandman.
Same
too bad he really 2 good series going on, the series cancelled them both, not because of his sexual harrasment/assaults, now they cant continue due to publicity anyways.
Wasn't really a fan as such, but I also though as far as billionaires go he's at least useful to humanity.
He should have kept to what he was good at - marketing big ideas. Unfortunately narcissists don't work that way.
There's a good argument that this is still true (PS: in historical terms) despite everything. Without China the green-tech revolution would be decades behind schedule, and it took Tesla to make China move.
Maybe so, but I'm not sure whether Tesla really needed Elon Musk.
Really? So where are all its peer competitors? This person has obviously gone off the rails but was once extremely good at making seemingly impossible things happen.
The charismatic guy at the top may always get all the credit, but hundreds of other people played a role in Tesla's success. He wasn't even a founder of the company. All we can really say is that he bought in at the right time, but we don't know how much of Tesla's success was down to his personal decisions. If anything, it seems like Tesla's decline really started when Musk started using the company more and more for his personal pet projects (Cybertruck, Teslabots etc) rather than the cars that people actually want.
What did he do?
Yeah, all those losers born in Soweto in 1971 who haven't used their enormous wealth to fund a bunch of different business ventures. What are they even doing?
Seeing them land the Starship booster on the chopsticks - I'd say that he still is.
Tesla maybe helped boosting Chinas EV industry ... but very little for green-tech in general. And EVs are not a particular green or revolutionary technology in the first place.
So no, I don't think he did much for humanity here.
I think most agree that, at least, EVs are needed to evolve away from the CO2 generated from petroleum consumption used in cars and trucks. Yes yes, "public transportation better for moving people" but that doesn't work for all countries especially those with lower density population areas. Further "public transporation" does nothing for the "last mile" delivery of goods with regard to logistics.
In almost every situation an EV is better than an ICE vehicle in respect to being "green" and vehicles are what our current systems are designed around.
No, I really don't agree. Like, at all. The problem is largely that geometry of vehicles creates those highly-destructive, resource-intensive, low-density population areas, and that's the problem that we need to address. In that respect, EVs are just like any other vehicle. Same streets, same highways, same parking lots, same garages, same bi-weekly grocery runs to the store 5 miles away. We can start to address those problems (zoning, building codes, environmental regulations, land-use, tax structures, and such) now, and it won't be any easier after 20 years of further automobile-oriented development while we transition the fleet to EVs. It'll just be 20 years more entrenched. Yeah, EVs help somewhat, but the way we're approaching them now, they're like treating 10% of your cancer.
(I take that back if the EVs we're talking about here are e-bikes and micromobility devices.)
You're talking about trying to fix a multi-generational problem. In many places the things you're asking to change have been in place for hundreds years. The politics and land ownership laws and implications are immense! That is NOT a fast problem to fix. If you're taking EVs off the table, then that means you're committing to 30-50 years of ICE vehicles pumping out CO2 all of that time.
How can you consider non-EVs a greener solution in your scenario?
Its simply not possible to deliver 2000kg or 2000lbs of cargo to a business for last mile delivery in a timely fashion without a much larger vehicle than an e-bike. Why on Earth would you want a belching diesel vehicle doing that for decades on end when an EV could it with zero CO2 emissions?
It's a multi-generational problem, so we should start fixing it now. Why is it going to be easier to solve 30-50 years from now? Why should we wait until we've transitioned to EVs to start the process? What is it about EVs is going to make that easier?
in fact EVS uses rare earth metals which are not mined in a ecofriendly way. the best way is to ride buses and fund mass transportation.
I agree that Ellen was significant in the race to EVs, but that is definitely in the past. As far as present tense goes, nah.
The tenses are a bit murky "I used to think 'he's useful...'" "this still true..." could kinda go either way, but it sounds like you're saying it applies today, and nah.
Just read what I write, rather than what you think I might be trying to say.
I can't find it now but there was an analysis a few days ago by a reputable source, maybe in The Atlantic, which said basically what I just said. It's not scandalous. The guy has an impressive record as a business leader. Perhaps not as a product specialist, or even an engineer, but as force for making things happen at the company level.
Anyway, apparently there's not much willingness to engage in nuanced debate here so that's all I have to say.
Never been a Musk fan but I remember on Reddit everyone was calling him the "nerd king" who would change the world
And he did change the world. To the worse.
fr with how much stuff he's fucked up so fast it has to be a record of some sort
I'll never forget the chill that ran down my spine when that thing with these cave kids happend in Thailand, and some random guy tweeted him: pleas mr. Musk, you are the closest thing we have to tony stark, help them. I felt genuinely disgusted.
Musk losing it and calling that other dude a pedo during this event is what got me to start hopping off the musk train, so I kinda feel thankful for it?
Watching the SpaceX engineers transform those pods overnight really highlighted the fact that all he does is talk until other, more capable people actually make it happen. They probably could have been quite helpful had he not got in the way with his tantrums.
At teh end it really wasn't helpful at all and the diver who saved them explained why. That led to his tantrum. I appreciate they tried, but at the end they werre just victims of a marketing stunt.
Side note: wondering if humans will ever figure out that they are not designed to be in caves
are they design for cardboard box in the middle of a lake?
Some, yes. With anvils.
You’d think so right? I’m a certified diver and love swimming around the bottom of the ocean but caves and climbing inside shipwrecks is a hard pass. Just going through a lava tube and scraping my tank on the rock gives me the heebie jeebies
OMG yeah you got dark, tight space AND filled with water?? You got a 50/50 chance of getting Darwinized
We had hope then
he always seem wierd to me wasnt a good first impression, he made news, i assume many people found out who he was when announcing the sub/calling the thai seals pedos.
Yeah, that thing with the Thai soccer team really opened my eyes. Later, I saw a documentary on the situation, and there was no way that his submarine idea could have worked, it simply would not have fit.
But rather than accept that those on the scene were more knowledgeable about the situation, he immediately jumped to calling the rescuers pedos, as if the only reason they wanted to rescue them was because they were young boys, and wanted to molest them. What an unhinged take, proving that he was more interested in playing the hero and feeding his ego, than actually rescuing anyone. He saw an opportunity for global promotion, and was pissed when it was denied to him.
It showed me a side that we hadn't seen before, but turned out to be his real personality.
Worse, it showed he couldn't get his head around anyone else genuinely wanting to save children from dying. That was mask-off for his sociopathy.
Bill Cosby. I was raised on Bill Cosby albums and TV shows. I can't listen to him any more.
My family had "The Best of Bill Cosby" album when I was a kid and we listened to it a lot. Some of the funniest bits on that album and I always had warm memories sitting and listening to them.
Then it comes out that he's a complete monster. All those family memories tied to that now, it really sucks.
He's one of the few people who's work I can separate from the monster, but only because it was my first comedy album as a kid
American Beauty got me to like Kevin Spacey. Kevin Spacey got me to stop liking Kevin Spacey.
E: mother ducking autocorrupt
Damned shame as he was one of the finest actors working.
Swimming With Sharks is such an under-rated gem.
hes also gross how he continue to deflect even after all it came out, pedos usually stay quiet.
If he'd handled it like an adult, owned up to his past behavior, and done something to show that he's sorry, he might still be working
pedos rarely instrospect or apologize, because they know its wrong. one of his victims was rapp i believe. spacey was doubling down by deflecting every chance he got.
It's not a Lemmy thread without some Star Trek references
Robert Beltran (Chakotey), Roxan Dawson (B'Elanna), and Manu Intiravmi (Icheb).
All three of these actors fell off after ST:Voyager and became vile conservative shit posters. I know Robert especially likes to respond to anti Trump or anti Trump Policy tweets the other ex cast members make with "both sides" arguments.
It's sad in my eyes, but I do hold ST on a pretty high pedestal.
Aw I didn't know about Roxan. That's honestly really sad
Add the chick from season 1 of the mandelorian. She's super gross and trumpy.
It's extremely funny that she ruined her own career, including a likely spin-off starring her, because she wouldn't stop comparing the criticism of conservatives and their beliefs to the mass persecution and murder of Jews during the Holocaust.
It's also extremely funny that she went on to make a movie with The Daily Wire, no one saw it, it got called woke for being an action movie starring a woman.
To top that off, it's also extremely funny that The Daily Wire is FULL of people who couldn't cut it in Hollywood, so they kept self-financing their own shitty movies, and are now in financial trouble.
Her movie grossed $7.00
That's SEVEN DOLLARS
And nobody in this thread remembers her name lol
Critical Drinker and his entourage can fuck off
The buff one? I thought she was hot until I found out. Was very sad.
Same
She's still hot. And I bet some people find her hotter because she is clearly stupid too. Lol.
I thought the same when she’s chewing the match in Deadpool but then found that out and just kept rooting for Mando to discover she’s a spy and space her but they just wrote her out
gina carano? the former mma laday, ? who was also in ra3.
Chakotey AND B'Elanna?! My disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined 😫
Well they were Maquis after all..
Well, I always kind of hated Beltran as an actor. Really disappointed about the other 2 though, I had no idea.
Edit: I'm not seeing anything whatsoever on Google about Dawson related to Trump or even the Republicans, aside from one single Reddit post with a similar comment.
Weird. There used to be screen shot receipts I saw years ago.
Maybe she scrubbed it and turned a leaf? I hope so at least because B'Elanna was my favorite character.
Dave Chappelle and Dwayne Johnson.
Why the rock?
Look up his interview he did on Fox News last year. He basically blamed black people for there current situation in themselves and also said that Biden was a terrible president and he didn’t outright endorse Trump but he danced around it.
go figures since hes still with ASSOCIATED with the WWE fanbase, and in general vince who is a trump donor.
Awww maaaaaannnn..... Tsk really? That sucks.
Edit, from Wikipedia:
Imo not good, but definitely nuanced and probably not great. I didn't see the interview though so I don't know.
He's trying to stay independent because he fantasizes about running for president one day. He even did a TV show where the framing device was him being interviewed as a presidential candidate, so they could show his life in flashbacks. It was an obvious ploy to position him as a legitimate political candidate in viewers' minds.
Every rich and/or famous person now thinks they should be president.
Grumpy Harrison Ford For President!
Gotta protect the brand.
I believe he refused to endorse Kamala and then like a true coward said he was keeping his political views private, its was pretty sad. The pathetic coward was terrified of a maga boycott of his garbage movies.
Also of his volunteering with Oprah in Hawaii with the huge fire. Weird seeing humans that have exorbitant amount of money that can actually help, and they're just passing out water bottles to the people that lost their homes saying that "they wish they could do more to help/hope things work out for them." It was a publicity stunt at the expense of people who lost everything.
hes also a very difficult actor to work with in the industry, hes known as the "ellen degeneres" of male actors. must have as much if not more attention as the lead in a movie, or as much action or more action than other people. also hes pretty much attention seeker, and people compared him to dave bautista, dave is actor, and he only wanted the glory of a movie star.
Dave jumped off the cliff into the asshole abyss
musk
There was a time when SpaceX and Tesla seemed like they were gonna change the world for the better, less co2, going to Mars and he even gave a few talks at astronomy events where he spoke about how carbon capture on Mars could be used to make rocket fuel (which is real and has been done btw) and bring starship rockets back, and how that same tech could be used on earth to help fight global warming. The future was gonna be amazing and I honestly believed he was gonna help make it happen
there's a real reason marvel had him in iron man 2
Yeah, I was never a true believer or fanboy, but back before he lost his mind and fired his PR department, I was cool with the electric cars, space exploration, solar roofs, trains, and even fun flamethrowers.
Honestly thought there were gonna be downvotes on this one about people saying how Elon never invented anything or founded anything and it was all a persona. I believed it though and all that climate change stuff I thought was genuine.
same but I still wanted to say it. ngl I kinda believe a lot of people base their opinion of what someone is saying just off the upvote/downvotes ratio without thinking about it as much as they could, so the upvotes on this one may have been caused by the first few people seeing it agreeing with it
Will Smith. More so for his inauthenticity than the slap.
It goes back aways, but Dennis Miller went from borderline "edgy" to complete wimp and GW simp after 9/11.
Total 180
Jack Black.
What’s wrong with Jack Black?
Mostly how he threw Kyle Gass under the bus over his Trump joke, cancelling the entire tour as well. Just so he can keep his trashy movie career going? Also he is in way too much stuff. Jack Black just doesn't belong in Star Wars or Lord of the Rings ... even when it's just fan fiction.
Just read up on the trump comment. I understand Jack has this family friendly persona that he likes to keep. I don’t agree with cancelling the tour and putting creative plans on hold. But I can understand why he’d be instantly on damage control.
I share the same sentiment as Kyle. I really was saddened that the guy missed.
Hard to reconcile “family friendly” when you’ve got a song called “Fuck Her Gently” but ok
Consider his work, other than Tenacious D. His roles in movies, random guest star appearances at concerts and such. He’s crafted this lovable teddy bear image. That’s what I’m referring to. Yes, he and Kyle have cultivated a fan base for Tenacious D that is anything but wholesome. But there is more to his image than just that. Most people that only know of him from his performances in movies see him as a family friendly silly guy. That has become his bread and butter.
Again, I don’t agree with his response to Kyle’s birthday wish, but I can understand why he would be on the defensive for it.
Yeah, and the band is called Tenacious D
No.."gently", not "gentile".
I really don't get the family persona bit here. Yes, it's "a thing", but this happened at a Tenacious D concert. His definitively not child friendly persona singing songs like "Fuck her gently".
Very true! But bigger picture, this gets reported on and causes harm to his “family friendly” schtick. I don’t agree with it, but I understand it.
Wasn't there an imminent release of some movie he was going to be starring in or something?
He basically defended trump when his music partner made a joke.
jack black has always been a cringey loser, I'm glad the rest of the world is finally waking up to it.
Fucking THANK YOU. I never got the hype.
The only thing I ever liked him in was The Jackal that scene was so cathartic.
If he got violently dismembered more often, i might like him more. I usually think of him kicking Baxter off an overpass in Anchorman, as a default.
I could only tolerate him in Airborne (1993), one of my all time favorite movies. I'm not gay, but Shane McDermott...
And the girl, Brittney Powell, pretty hot. Movie had a lot of younger actors before they went big. Seth green, Alanna ubach, jack black.
Orange county (2002) also, kinda forgot he was in that.
Nacho libre is sort of tolerable, but not because of him.
I still reckon his only really good non-Tenacious D work was Nacho Libre. Everything else has been a load of saccharine nonsense. Even Nacho is kinda saccharine, but it at least has a whacky style to it. "Chancho, when you are a man, sometimes you wear stretchy pants in your room. Just for fun."
Came here to say that.
why he isn't liked anymore?
His Tenacious D bandmate, Kyle Gass, made a joke about assassinating Donald Trump. Black put out a statement criticizing and distancing himself from Gass while also placing the band on hiatus, cancelling a then-ongoing world tour. People feel he threw a longtime friend under the bus in order to protect his public image.
Alternate theory: Jack understands that bad press impacts the movies he works on and that hundreds to thousands of people depend on those movies doing well. It sucks he did this but as an adult whose actions could have a negative impact on my co-workers incomes I get it
Maybe, but I don't agree fully. He made a huge deal about it while singing his distasteful songs. the joke was par for the audience course.
Gotta protect those Video Game movie deals.
Don't wanna risk that Ganon cast in the Zelda Movie
More like goota protect the returns so that the FX team that spent years on the film have stronger resumes based on a successful film rather than one that tanked because Jack Black did something stupid.
Something stupid, like be in it?
I get why someone would lose respect for him over that, but he's a celeb who's cultivated a wholesome kid-oriented image of inclusivity rather than culture warrior. He's in the "you catch more flies with honey than vinegar" camp which is probably where folks like Fred Roger's would be were he here today.
So I guess I didn't expect much more from him, but I'm also not a huge fan or anything, just enjoy his work, so I'm not in a position to really be disappointed in him.
Damn dude just say you don't know anything about Tenacious D. Lol.
Because he killed the metal
I never liked him. Not for any particular reason really. It's just the vibe I'm getting from him. He doesn't seem authentic.
Same, loved him when i was little
why do you people love celebrities so much?
if someone handles a ball nicely, writes a book, sings a song or plays guitar, like them for that and stop assuming they must also be wise in family advice or politically savvy
You have to be incredibly good at something for me to ignore you being an asshole. There are also certain things that are unforgivable even if the art is good.
It's like Cosby was funny, but he drugged and raped people, so it's hard to laugh at him now.
Absolutely, but I think you misunderstood me...
Let's pretend for a moment Cosby is not a rapist; why do anyone infer that, because his comedy was good, he would be a good role model or have savvy life advice to give or know about politics, etc?
I completely agree with you that it's is almost impossible to enjoy whatever celebrities do (art, sports, etc) if they are horrible people. however, that line is subjective. Many would still like Cosby if we had found out he does not donate to charity or even if he is an absent dad or if he were a terrible driver... obviously the rapist thing goes too far
I'm gonna be the first akshually here and point out that Cosby is a bad example because he DID present himself as a guiding voice and role model and came to fame by creating a cartoon showing inner city kids how to be good to each other and handle life issues.
and then theres people say the only way he could actually do that was getting inspiration from his rapes and SA.
It really comes down to the calculus of how much I like them vs what did they actually do (with some things being truly unforgivable).
For example, Sylvester Stallone recently came out in big support of Trump. To me, that makes him a huge ass. That said, I'll still watch Rocky 4 if it comes on (all the while, in the back of my head thinking "wow, really, Trump.. that's your guy?"). So my perception of him and his movies change, but also it's his right to be an idiot.
In the same vein, Rob Schneider has recently made his whole personality a bitter old conservative "comic'. He really brings little of value to the table, so he can easily be dismissed. His value/drama ratio isn't worth giving him the time of day -- we'll outside of this example.
I can't totally divorce the person from their content, but I try when their stuff is great and what they did isn't too repulsive.
After hearing from Robs daughter how she was treated and what he was / is like as a person, I can't like anything he did, and it all comes across narcissistic and creepy from that viewpoint. It's like a game of power but with a curse. (whatever that game is really called,)
he was never that good in the movies without his co-stars.
I also throw into the equation "How much time has passed?"
I'm no massive fan but Mark Wahlberg is a good example, dude was a straight up violent racist asshole when he was young but the last thing was in 1992. I just cant bring myself to be mad at a 54yo for something he did 23 years ago.
seinfeld is like rob,"why arnt you laughing at my jokes, are you all woke" no because you support israel government, and your wife is currently funding state side groups.
The audience can make up their mind on how to enjoy entertainment without your approval of their thoughts and experiences . That’s how free will works.
I'm not granting or denying approval to anyone... I simply wonder why people do certain stuff
Go back to reddit to pick fights with strangers there!
You gave way too hard of an opinion to call that leading question ‘curiosity’.
Go back to truth social where you can live in your little echo chamber and maybe stop baiting. You’re too fragile to be playing that game.
LOL sorry for not having an opinion that agrees with your world view?
You don’t need to seek approval and apologize for having free will. Nor does anyone owe you an apology for their own. And they don’t owe you an explanation for having it.
Lesson 1, little grasshopper.
Speak for yourself.
People can decide for themselves on what their standards are and what integrity means.
As it should. It’s part of how a person learns independent thought and critical thinking.
You’ve made your choice. Now Leave people to their’s.
Chuck Norris.
As a kid growing up in Texas in the 90s, Walker Texas Ranger was cool. Early internet memes about him were hilarious.
Then he said if he were elected president he would "Tattoo an American flag with the words, "In God we trust," on the forehead of every atheist."
Ever since I've been the killjoy, saying "fuck Chuck Norris" to anyone making a Chuck Norris is tough joke.
jackien chan, he went SHILLING FOR THE CCP sometime ago, and was ousted from HK film industry for that, and he couldnt even make it as a party member. i saw him making news again because he was in cobra kai, that isnt going to save his fame. also abandoned one of his daughters in canada with no money,.
Same deal with Steven Seagal, used to think he was a badass. Now the shitbag is clinking glasses with Putin and can totally still beat up multiple stuntmen.
You know who actually was a badass and didn’t say a goddamn word about it? Bob Ross. Most people don’t even know he spent years in an Air Force uniform before painting those happy little trees and trying to bring some joy to people.
I can’t even remember the last time someone said a chuck Norris joke…oh yeah it all died suddenly when he came out as an ultra Christian and revealed he didn’t understand how jokes work. He started correcting people that his tears do not actually cure cancer.
I think MySpace was still a thing back then.
What a bizarre moment that was.
Dave Chapelle
Yup, he turned into a dick as he got old. A lot of celebs do that, or they cant afford that PR team anymore that used to make the look like they werent aholes.
hes basically, why is everyone getting upset about my transphobic jokes. and then all the conservatives start flocking to his show.
Neil Gaiman amongst many others named here.
Hulk Hogan, anyone?
Terry Bolea sucks so bad.
hot dog skin, and hair of a china doll.
Whenever I hear his theme song, all I can think of is trailer trash rednecks
Joe Rogan!
Yeah early podcasts of hearing a dude talk about scouring the jungle so he can lick a frog for DMT was awesome.
his early podcast with kevin smith was hilarious because at one point kevin smith stands up to stretch his legs and he was so high he forgot to sit back down
Dick pills and Fleshlights forever!
Ricky Gervais.
Liked him ~ The Office, Extras, podcast period, even some of his Golden Globes hosting, but now I find his "edginess" and mugging grating.
Tooooo CHALLENGING for you?!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=UHqma3rx-xI
:)
Saw that whole special a few year ago. Love him.
Seems to me his shtick got old right around the time "Lifes too Short" came out, that show started out with a few funny gags but by the end of it I was seriously stuck that this entire show was them making fun of a little person for no good reason.
At some point I realised his "ironic" depictions aren't ironic at all, he genuinely is just an average bigot who likes punching down.
The only difference between him and some racist sexist ableist playground bully from the 1950s is Gervais has managed to convince a swathe of people that is ironic and edgy somehow.
There's a fine line between poking fun at everything and being insufferably smug, and I reckon he's crossed it a bit. The difference is forgetting to include yourself in 'everything'.
I was a big fan of the superman portrayal of Dean Cain. Turns out the shit bag is as far away from the ethos of superman as you can be. Fuck him for staining a childhood favorite portrayal of one of my favo characters.
so many actors became looney christians and or right wing after series of strokes. sorbo is another, and jim cavaziel. Mel became one after he made real antisemitic remarks(and apologized ina condescending way).
i think another one is the shazam guy, the actor hes a scientologist?
Ugh, don't remind me. Zachary Levi broke my heart. Arcade Gannon was one of my favorite F:NV companions, too. At least there's still Felicia Day and Danny Trejo.
Another disappointment to hear about was Michael Peña (Luis from Ant Man).
also the barts VA, she became a wierdo trying to convince people into scientology in her bart voice. Cartright. remember pat kilbaine of madtv? if you follow SEALs, he had a wierd jealousy issue he wasnt getting paid by the SEAL podcast 10years ago, if you know who chris kyle is the famous sniper. they had an issue with him. pat decided to sue them for breaching "his contract".
gary sinese is another one, he conveniently came out as republican(even though we already suspected he was one, come on your taking on roles the same as pratt, always authotarian roles in movies/shows), and at the same time virtue signalling for vets just because 1 time he visited a vet hospital and he feels like part of the vet community, as if you actually care for them, your just a republican version of bill gates for vets. last year before the election, in order to drum up support for trump and i suspect because the anti-VA stance is hurting the gop. people were calling him out why he isnt denoucing the gop for slashing va funds. unlike jon stewart who has been calling them out for quite some time and supporting the vets. he was overtaking certain subs he was posting in(gary). gary gave an interview why he left acting, no we know why, not because it was your son. but because your republican beliefs wouldve rubbed people the wrong way down the line your just saving face.
and i saw gary doing AMA and pics on a strangely regular schedule on reddit recently. a comparison would ALec baldwins wife, hilaria(who acts like shes been spanish because she lived for a few years).
Roger Taylor and Brian May from Queen. Not due to them being overt assholes, but about how the treated the cinematic legacy of Freddy Mercury.
The blocked a movie idea with Sasha Baron Cohen playing Freddie in his flamboyant, over the top lifestyle as they wanted it to be 'more about the band' and they wanted Freddies death to be the middle part of the story, where the last half was them two (as Roger Deacon had walked away from them) protecting Freddies legacy.
I mean, the reason people loved Freddie was over his larger than life persona, and I'm convinced Cohen could've struck the note between the over-the-top, the fabulous and the pesonal Freddie.
Instead we got BoRep, which was an awful movie with a polished up storyline and danger free scenes. Also it was horribly edited.
I must say, they haven't done horrible stuff, they are decent individuals. But they got their succes out of working with Freddie yet they fail to see why everybody was so enchanted by Freddie and not so much by themselves.
Roger Taylor and Brian May. John Deacon was the bass player and he retired when Freddie died.
Shit mixed those up, I wrote Deacons' name further down in the comment too...
fixed
They do not fit this thread.
Well I used to like them, but I dont anymore. So that fits the thread imho.
It doesn't say why you don't like them anymore or that they must have done something horrid..
Members of one of the most famous bands in the world, yeah they fit the thread, and you took the extra time to detail why. I dislike them for the same reason, and it was a well written post 👍
Jim Carrey
What'd he do?
Anti-vaxxer.
But he despises trump, so at the moment, enemy of my enemy...
Aw fuck are you serious??? Shitty.
Yeah, he's super best buddies with Jenny McCarthy, and spouts the same nonsense she does.
Ashamed to admit I was once (pre-Sachs phone call) at least intrigued and open to the idea of liking the noted sex pest and abuser Russell Brad. Stuff has continued to get worse.
Had been a fan of Kevin Spacey, too.
Gaga and P!nk have also gone done in my estimations somewhat, but unlike everyone else no serious reason for it.
Obligatory Gaiman and JK Rowling, too.
Edit: oh, and Luis Scott Vargas. Abandoned his pregnant wife for someone else, and started shilling crypto. 😵🤷🏼🙆🏾♂️
A comedian called Brendan Burns said “he looks like the personification of hepatitis” in a special and I hear that every time I see Russell
Kevin Spacey. Bill Cosby. Danny Masterson. Steven Tyler. Anthony Kedis.
They are all gross now that I know more about them; some moreso than others.
To be fair, RHCP has never been more than 75% awesome
Yeah honestly I debated putting that one in. Under the Bridge is a solid song, and flea and the drummer are independently good.
Honestly just wanted to remind people he admitted to dating a 16 year old when he was 24.
cringey how miley kunis and asthon kutcher were shilling for him, and then fleeing to the europe, because they are facing criticism or connection to him/ SA. Ellen did the same thing with diddy.
I kind of feel for people who were close with people who were outed as sex offenders, because they didnt come in on monday "Hey, Danny! How was your weekend?" "Bro I spiked a girls drink and raped her in my car, it was awesome." I worked with a guy for years, his daughter had "issues" and then one day it came out that he was a sexual abuser of his own daughter. Which explained her mental health issues. In that case he quit his job, got his affairs in order and pled guilty. But I still remember thinking he was a great guy, until he wasnt... now I'm going to find it really hard to not pop his nose out the back of his fucking head if I ever run into him again.
Now throw in the potential "attention seeking" behaviors that could happen with famous people, people hoping for a payout, jilted exes and someone you have known for years swearing up and down they didnt do it... Id want to support my friend too.
manipulators can be either party though. You have the manipulators swearing they didnt do it and you have the manipulators trying to extort.
You also have people who don’t understand what they did was rape and while they claim they didnt rape: the details are exactly that.
And often rapists are more believed over a rape victim.
Hence why it often takes multiple victims for a rape charge.
Also false accusation is not the same as inconclusive.
Lots of nuance.
Yeah, its rare that its definitively proven either way. I'm saying that I dont blame people for wanting to believe their friends and family are innocent when accused of rape famous or not.
For me Bill Cosby was not surprising. Danny Masterson was disappointing. I havent yet heard what Steven Tyler or Kevin Spacey did and now I'm afraid to Google it. I have no idea who Anthony Kiedis is.
...just looked them all up...sigh, yeah. I'm with you. It does make it impossible to appreciate the art with that knowledge.
I feel like I'm the only one who was always creeper out by Kevin Spacey. American Beauty just seemed like blatant confirmation he was no good to me.
I got about a dozen YouTubers and streamers that fit in this box.
It seems to be inevitable. They either stop posting or streaming, or they reveal themselves to be kind of messed up.
Anyone with colored hair that screams at the camera in their face is banned from my network. Can't subject my kid to that trash.
Iskall85 for me.
I used to like Katy Perry's music in high-school. Now shes super cringe hanging out with basically our version of Lex Luthor so I dont listen to her music anymore.
Went to space with Jeff Bezos. It was a tone deaf "omg were women going into space" when everyone cringed and saw it as "look what I can do when I befriend a billionaire".
Don’t leave out how weird she started acting. Like it was 10 minutes but she acted like she was on shrooms and then her music got fucking weird as did her dancing and videos.
It’s like she forgot how to be an artist and started acting like an amateur romping around in some basement.
Maybe she’s dug into Elon’s stash.
THE Transphobe
I hate that I'm pretty sure I know who you're referring to.
Can't go back to loving Harry Potter anymore. 🙃
Sad indeed, it really sours it.
Kevin Spacey
Katy Perry. She got brain rot from dating Russel Brand.
Kelsey Grammer.
I still can't believe he's riding the Trump train, and is returning as Beast for the new Marvel films at the same time. The cognitive dissonance is confounding me.
Adding Louis CK to the list. I used to like his shows, and genuinely found the writing and his takes to be thoughtful and helpful. Finding out he was gross and shitty the whole time sucked.
I never understood this take. Like, did you not actually listen to the shit he said when you "liked" his shows? Did you not see the skit where he went on a morning interview and told his female interviewer that he was going to jerk off to her later and there was nothing she could do about it? If so, how was it actually surprising to hear he jerked off infront of a female coworker after he told her he was going to do it? You can separate the art from the artist all you want, but at some point you have to realize that all that art came from somewhere.
I believe that skit was about christofascist suppression of masturbation so it was appropriate at the time. The interviewer was surnamed "Fapper".
A lot of his humor was based on things you want to do but don't. So exploring dark desires that you should not act on is reasonable for comedy. Then it comes out that he did some of that stuff and it's not funny anymore.
I didn't see that skit.
Him and every celebrity flying monkey that rushed to his side to defend him.
hes it disappointing he had the foreknowledge to shield his "cancellation" by moving it all online shows. he pratically came back amonsgt conservatives people and men who dint know his past history.
Tobey Maguire, "the worst tipper, the best player, and the absolute worst loser."
Read More: https://www.looper.com/10857/hollywood-wont-cast-tobey-maguire-anymore/
Throughout that entire article, only the poker stuff had anything to actually fault Maguire with, and it appears to depend entirely on what Molly Bloom said.
Sarah Silverman, said the palestinian babies need to die because theyll grow up to be terrorists then turned off comments for a year on ig, she said more than that had a whole tirade, ruined her. Shes back now pretending she didnt say anything, pr team put in work. My post on her reddit got deleted so I stopped caring about telling ppl, but this made me remember.
Really enjoyed the sarah silverman show, learning this and the cop in her show who was jimmy in bobs burgers went to the jan 6th riots really ruined it for me.
Warren Ellis, though his forum looked super cult-like even at the time. He seemed like one of the good guys.
I don't follow other people's private activities, but this one hurt a lot. He remains one of my favourite authors, and having him disappear from publishing leaves holes in my library (Trees and Injection, in particular).
Billy Corgan!
he has always been a bit of a tosser. What did he do to lose you?
He got researched by me.
Shit talk his band after the second album?
He's also a self-described "free-market libertarian capitalist" who has been willingly interviewed on InfoWars.
Lol. Hadn't heard this yet. What a dropkick.
Carlos Sobera, a really great TV host in Spain, with the boom of sport betting websites and almost no regulations on the ads, he became the face of one of those websites with very aggressive tactics.
He also started to appear on ads for a payday loan company.
So he was promoting gambling and high interest small loans that are used by gambling adicts.
Mamet went full MAGA
Kind of makes you wonder if he understood his own plays, right?
Brad Pitt seemed cool at one point then he got his first divorce.
A divorce is grounds for disliking somebody?
He divorced the posters mom, so yeah, in this case it makes sense. He’d also come home late and eat all of the posters yogurts. That’s fucked up.
Brad Pitt is an abusive partner. Jennifer Anniston suggested as much quietly post-divorce and Jolie and their children have clearly stated as much.
I want Brad Pitt to eat my yogurts, and I’m not even gay :(
In the wake of his divorce there were a handful of comments from Jennifer Anniston that suggested he was abusive. This has since been backed up by his last wife and several of his kids.
I wouldn't be surprised if he turns out to be insufferable in real life, but he got too long of a list of movies I love!
Oh, Garrett Borns. Such fantastic pop music, got accused of grooming, retired.
Came back, years with a whiny track about that, not even good, so bad, I guess it broke him.
Too long a list.
David Draiman. Sadly I can’t listen to the guy sing anymore without my brain thinking of the horrors he is actively supporting.
Oh god damn it, what did he do? I'm assuming something to do with Palestine. I had just gotten back into Disturbed after just kind of forgetting they existed for ~10 years…
He autographed bombs the IDF were planning to drop on Palestine. He even posted a photo of himself doing it.
Wow I really wish I didn't know that, but thanks for the info
I have to give him his due. I just saw him playing a rich asshole in three different shows and he played them all differently. That's good acting.
Why?
Does his last name really need two 'm's?
Yes. Otherwise, it would be such a Ham.
He's hardly a celebrity but I'd say Van Neistat (Casey's brother)
I was all in when he started his YouTube channel and found him really relatabe and interesting but it took less than half a year and it became painfully obvious that he's only doing it for the money and it shows. That's about the fastest I've gone from discovering a new interesting person to losing my respect for them.
there is something about celebrity worship to be inferred from the fact that there is only 1 non-american celebrity listed in this tgread (spanish news anchor).
that or it is selection bias
Kevin Smith.
I don't exactly follow him but why? I've never heard anything controversial he did.
Not OP, but mildly controversial was his movie Red State. It was a not-so-subtle take on the Westboro Baptist Church and their stance on gays.
Or maybe they're still upset about Jersey Girl, which was way too common and wholesome for the guy behind Jay and Silent Bob.
(Hot take: if Jersey Girl didn't have Smith or Carlin, it would've been mildly praised at the time and then mostly forgotten)
I think people here are taking OPs question a little bit to seriously and Kevin Smith is 100% a valid answer. The question was about someone you "liked" and don't "like" now. Not, who turned out to be a horrible person.
Kevin Smith hasn't done anything controversial and genuinely seems like a nice man enjoying life and good for him. But, artisticly his movies have fallen off considerably in my opinion and lack any effort/message. Personality wise he's also made a major shift. Previously being more thoughtful and critical of things to now kind of just gone full "happy stoner shill".
As someone who grew up in 90s New Jersey Kevin Smiths and his early work will always hold a special place in my heart but I'll probably never watch anything new he'll ever make the rest of my life.
Patrick (H) Willems actually did a great video essay on basically this exact subject that's worth a watch lol
I've gotten into arguments with friends about this, but decades ago I stayed home from work sick and watched his Netflix special about how he got kicked off a Southwest flight for being too fat. I was raised religious and have evolved my thoughts over the years, but his parents were in a audience, and he said some of the most crass shit I've ever heard. My parents would've washed my mouth out with soap if I said what he said. I understand overall he's very generous, but seeing his special left a bad taste in my mouth.
Plus, jorts.
They’re not jorts anymore if they go to the ankle. Whatever they are, they’re a sartorial disaster.
Ok, so it's just the usual Kevin.