These standing seats have been coming next year for the past decade, but they always failed safety tests. Planes need to be evacuated within a certain time frame, which does not work when the plane is too densely packed.
Did the stronger younger people try pushing the frail and children out of the way during these safety tests? Because I feel like the plane world empty quickly in that scenario
"Do you feel capable of opening the exit in case of an emergency?"
-- Yes.
"Do you feel capable of throwing the old woman behind you of of the window in case of an emergency?"
-- What?
"Do you know how to punch someone unconscious if they fall to hysteria in case of an emergency?"
-- I would like to leave the plane now.
There is no legitimate reason why trains or cars should be more dangerous modes of transport than flights. It is just that the lobbies for cars and capitalist train operations successfully desensitized everyone to it, so "deadly car crash" is just shrugged away. In the US we see similar attempts to make planes less safe and just accept the numbers of people killed in preventable events.
IDK about trains, but the problem with cars is that we let people operate them with minimal training and practically no oversight. You see shit on roads daily where if the driver was flying a plane, they wouldn't even be let on as a passenger anymore ever.
We could increase the training requirements and oversight. We could design road-networks in a way that makes speeding more difficult and enact stricter speed limits.
Whenever these measures are taking in an area they greatly reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured.
We could increase the training requirements and oversight.
I wish.
And who's going to tell all those people that they are not going to drive again, ever? In pilot training, even showing signs of bravado or machismo is grounds for getting failed. The problem is that if you do that those people will go and vote you out, especially in this climate.
One of the main campaign promises of the idiot who got the most votes in the last Dutch election was to put the speed limits back to 130 kmh from the reduced 100 kmh on motorways. People like to be dumb.
BTW it would take minimal effort to enforce highway speed limits with cameras checking entry and exit times and distances. In some places with road tolls, it wouldn't even need any more data collection. A single SQL query would return all those people doing 100 kmh over on the motorways. Wonder why outside of a few outliers, nobody does it.
We are not talking about the inherent danger of driving, but the danger caused by people either physically or psychologically unfit to drive. The problem is not highways with speed limits of 130 kmh, but the people driving 240 on them, or the people driving drunk, running red lights, etc.
And as SUV sales show, most people are not comfortable with higher death rates for themselves, but are okay with endangering others. Ironically though, SUVs are more dangerous for their drivers as well, so apparently people are going for a perception of safety rather than actual safety even for themselves.
And if we are making rules about exiting a plane it should apply to when the plane lands normally. There is absolutely no reason it takes 30+ mints to get the fuck off the plane once we've arrived at the gate
That would mean getting rid of carry-on and deploying emergency chutes every time which costs 10s of thousands to replace each time and grounds the plane for weeks. Makes sense.
How people can look at (mostly) state owned rail vs private airlines and still think the free market benefits the average person is one of life's big mysteries to me.
Maybe they could replace that with a noose that comes down next to the oxygen. Then, if you get claustrophobic, you get off the plane any time you want.
Most people can't stand outside of the aisle because this area is meant to be seated (so they put storage space above the head).
If the area outside the aisle is meant to be stood (not sure of my english), and they don't remove the storage above the head, people are in their right to luigi those decision makers.
I have to lean sideways anyway because my shoulders are too broad and the side of the plane is round.
There's so much about flying that sucks as a big person.
My knees are folded up to my chest. I'm leaning to the right to stay off the fuselage. I can't be in an aisle seat because I'm in the way of the crew, and I have to lean forward the whole time because someone is in the seat next to me. And that person hates me.
My dread of the flying experience is why I never go on vacations.
I've always imagined it would be like the seats on a stand-up rollercoaster, which are admittedly pretty comfortable; but if they don't allow you to adjust the height, it could be hell for both short and tall people
Most people can't stand outside of the aisle because this area is meant to be seated (so they put storage space above the head).
If the area outside the aisle is meant to be stood (not sure of my english), and they don't remove the storage above the head, people are in their right to luigi those decision makers.
Yep, nobody ever tried to exploit their fellow humans until capitalism was adopted in the 18th century. The other economic systems that existed parallel to capitalism were also exploitation-free.
It is weird when you criticize one thing and people start saying shit like this, as if your critique of the one thing, is an endorsement of everything else.
The point isn't that capitalism is worse, but that it isn't any better. Despite all the fancy clothes and powdered wigs there is still a class oppressing another class except now the oppressors enjoy far fewer violent deaths.
At least a king had the decency to die several hundred feet behind the poor fucking levies in the same muck as them.
I think back then they were just high on their own supply and believe their bullshit. And nowadays the people that run things are just in a apocalyptic mindset where they know what they are doing is wrong and that's why they've built a security state to protect them and their wealth. This is why America is a police state. It's just like one big giant. concentration camp that can turn up the dial when necessary. An open air prison with varying degrees. Also, a lot of these people don't realize their products are shitty and not well made like they used to be. And you can blame China, but the world's capitalist system. And it takes two to tango. I think the people that are rich just have no conscience and they don't understand quality. The leader is a follower and the follower is a leader that is dead.
Any non-car related spending is a "war on motorists".
Seemingly half the country think that millionaire man-of-the-people Nigel Farage will be the one to lead us to the sunlit uplands, and the only position he's never flip-flopped on is bringing back smoking in pubs.
The serious non-joke answer is the same as the one for these standing seats: emergency exit speed. When an airplane crash lands you have like less than 2 minutes to get everyone out before the huge inferno happens and roasts people. So for standing seats that pack even more people into an airplane, they have to prove that they can still get everyone out before the deadline. For laying-down seats they would have to prove the same thing.
Not only that, but also the mess it would make. Airlines make good money off of selling food and drinks, how are you going to consume those laying down? Very messily, that's how. More mess = more time spent cleaning the plane = less time in the air = less ticket sales. Not to mention the loss in drink and food sales from people who don't want to do that laying down. It's a lose lose for the airline.
I would pay a premium ticket price to get a lay down seat at the back of the plane and have no food service in that zone. That gets rid of the food sales loss, for which I have never paid for anyway, as I'd be paying a higher ticket price. I guess at that point there is still a concern regarding a mess, since I can bring my own snacks, but it's not like I would be getting some memory foam mattress with Egyptian cotton sheets with the way airlines would implement this anyway. I'd get a long pleather vinyl cushion with maybe a standard pillow.
It would be worse than what I got in the Navy, slightly, but still better than any shit airplane seat I've sat in.
I hate to burst your bubble but almost no air disasters happen instantaneously. It takes many minutes to fall out of the sky. Also most air disasters still involve a mostly-controlled descent.
Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
But it's all shit regardless. Boeing can barely even make planes that don't fall apart on the runway. The American airline industry's fleet is increasingly defunct. The FAA is gutted. Airports are falling into disrepare due to mismanagement. You'll be lucky to get any kind of air travel in another decade.
Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
Wouldn't the same group have trouble standing for an entire flight?
If only there was some sort of halfway point between lying down and standing up, something which would be easier to than lying down, but wouldn't be as physically demanding as standing up.
Well that's one thing I can't really complain about in Finland, access to physically disabled people. Its honestly pretty great, it's been in the infra-design and all design mentality for decades.
Anywhere there is public access, you'll probably also find disabled access.
Like just today, I felt a little bit proud, as I spotted an outhouse built to specifications allowing wheelchair access.
We aren't the utopia people seem to think we are, but if you're in a wheelchair, you'll still get access to nice nature paths on which to be depressed on. So that's nice.
Now, it would be pretty reactionary for me to say that you are wrong, especially when speaking about Americans or even the UK. But we are all a byproduct of our environment and I still have empathy and I don't want a fat shame But I definitely don't want to glorify it and I want to find the source of the problem Because people don't necessarily choose to be overweight shit, I'm a little chunky. I'm a poor Yankee. Oh, also, very interesting, China is a capitalist country and it has an obese problem. This is all just shit on top of shit. Like, we gotta go down this rabbit hole of causation. But people don't have the attention span. One day at a time, I suppose.
Yeah, since this is a shit post, why don't they wrap the passengers like a piece of luggage and store them on a shelf? Save so much room.. Just give them diapers! /S
I am super torn here because pre-back-surgery me looks at these and says "the NERVE of these fuckers" and post-back-surgery me is like "Well that WOULD be nice yes"
Honestly I didn't even realize until now how good the cropping is on lemmy compared to redd*t. holy shit the number of memes that came from screenshots of twitter screenshotted on insta screenshotted on whatever the fuck but this one was profile.
For what it's worth: this was apparently a concept created by an airline seat company called Aviointeriors who showed the idea off at trade shows in 2010 (as the "SkyRider") and 2018 (as the "SkyRider 2.0" pictured here.) Pretty much all the news articles about it are about Aviointeriors claiming vague unsourced "plans" for them to be adopted by some future date, steeped in Aviointeriors' corporate PR speak, but the articles mostly end up being about the intense public backlash to the idea. No airlines have announced any plans to buy and use these seats, not even those lunatics at RyanAir, and in the years since all SkyRider mentions have been quietly removed from Aviointeriors' own site.
The fact this company is still around makes me think someone with a lot of money is trying to promote the concept every so often just to see if the public might finally accept this ludicrous idea. A company being around for 15 years with 0 sales and just a concept means someone wants this to happen but thinks the only problem is that they haven't figured out the right pitch.
The company sells normal airplane seats and has been around for a long time. This pitch seems to have been an unsuccessful attempt to create a new market they could rule with their crappy invention.
People are often advised to not lock their knees for a long time while standing (ex: marching band, or standing at attention in the military), and you cannot force anyone to have healthy posture. The ergonomics of these seats appear to take some of the load off the legs and feet, but it's something to consider for patrons with more sedentary lifestyles. Many people believe themselves to be fit individuals until they are placed in uncomfortable conditions for a long time or experience unexpected stress. They could manage to injure themselves in some way, then find some reason to litigate.
I don't know about how much fat it might take, but my 2 knee surgeries and both my deteriorating hip joints, (been searching eBay for a good used hip joint for cheap), tell me that standing for 2 hours is a painful idea.
Right? And we should just take all the unfit people and just put them in camps and create a perfect society, right? Like, I get angry at America for being so fat, but not because they're fat. I get angry at how far down the pipeline we have gone of lowest common denominator thinking. To the point where we just eat poisonous food that our body doesn't know how to process and just stores as fat. Also, capitalism is in crisis. With lowest common denominator thinking add a little slippery slope and the power in the hands of the few with a sprinkling of toxic positive optimism with the cherry of Hopeium and now we've got out of touch shithead sundae. I mean, people are claustrophobic and, you know, I think the claustrophobic element makes it even worse when you're crammed with other people. Some of the outbursts that we see on planes is not just people losing their minds, but it's also that people are crampacked in a plane. I can see a lot more mental episodes with this type of seating Structure. And I get angry at society cheering on diminishing returns for the working class, while the billionaires are making money over hand over fist. They justify rich people to be in charge of things and to profit, but they still have yet to innovate and give us the future that they said they were going to. We're being lied to and this is just an example of you getting dominated.
I'm skinny and I'll pass out in less than an hour. Have severe POTS from EDS, heart went into asystole after 35 minutes into a tilt table test and they had to put me back down. I've passed out several times in other settings.
There's sci-fi show (I think it's "Foundation") where passengers have to be sedated for their high-speed space travel. Not teleportation, but I think it's approaching light speed.
Some alien race can handle it, so they are used as pilots and crew of the ships.
Currently my strategy is to attempt to fold my legs under the seat and essentially kneel because it's not physically possible for my thighs to fit. Between kneeling and praying to the God of capitalism to not give me a dvt vs crouching like the subhuman ogre I am: I'll crouch.
Oh man, I (also 2 m) can relate. For me it's always one of the emergency exit seats, that fit not too bad. But that luxury to be able to sit decently costs extra.
Next step - put bicycle seats, reducent material for backs. Then add bicycle pedals for engines, to reduce fuel usage. None said anything about actually reducing ticket price by that, high prices stays forever.
None said anything about actually reducing ticket price by that, high prices stays forever.
Standard ticket if you generate at least 1KW, otherwise the price goes up if you generate less, with a fine for less then 50W generated during the flight
You must be a wizard. Of course the savings aren't transferred to you. When they fuck up. They put it on the consumer. Time is unwinding. The poor pay more.
Standing still in place for a few hours is waaay more uncomfortable than pacing and walking around. Shifting the weight on our feet really helps
I can't imagine how awful these would be, especially with how cramped they'd be packed in (otherwise they're no smaller than chairs). God, you couldn't even bend down to scratch your knee.
I remember seeing pictures like this a looking time ago so I'm pretty sure they're fake bait. At best it's an idea somebody prototyped but won't use.
Too much skill and engineering involved. The people that run our societies, specifically capitalist societies, because that's the only thing that's left, are too obsessed with the profit motive to actually even attain something like this. Unless you're just being flown around like meat and your survivability is not guaranteed.
It can even be dangerous for some people to be in a standing position for too long. I have a severe case of POTS caused by a genetic disorder. My heart stopped during a tilt table test, which is where I was forced to remain in a standing position. If I'm expected to pay more for a normal seat just because I'm disabled, that's ableism.
It sounds quiet ridiculous, but I also had some flights that were so short (~50 min) that it almost took more time to seat everybody. Anyway, I would love to read those safety reports. Not only is sitting better on impact, but also cramping more people in the same machine, means more people (which trend to not comprehend the idea of leaving their luggage behind) share the exit routes.
I don’t get it. Why not just have bunk beds and everyone gets to lay down like those sleeper busses in Asia. They get way more people on those busses than with just seats
I am sure boarding and deplaning takes longer if everyone is getting into or out of a prone position. The idea might have been standing seats for short flights where turnaround time between flights was a large percent of each trip leg.
Thats outdated thing, Polish trains now require You to play tetris, stack layers, that somehow doesn't disappear. It's like first person do sit on floor, then 2nd person sit on 1st, then 3rd sit on 2nd, and so on. Lucky ones who sit on toilet instead.
That's right, girls. Start packing on those pounds because the only airline seat that poops, then lies about it doesn't have farts in the headrest anymore.
What about people like myself who have POTS and can't be in a standing position for too long? My heart can legit stop causing me to pass out if I'm standing for too long.
Why should I have to be forced to pay more for sitting seats just because I have a disability? What if all the sitting seats are fully booked or the plane has no sitting seats for passengers? It's like intentionally designing a shop with several tall steps at the entrance that would make it impossible for wheelchair users to enter, and the wheelchair users have to pay each time they shop there to have a ramp extended at the entrance so they can enter. It's an example of ablest design.
This extreme capitalism is absurd and needs to end. People like to pretend that the state taking over industry is some radical thing, but it’s the only way to make it function correctly. Capitalists have not demonstrated an ability to handle anything, they’re like toddlers.
What? What does union organising have to do with consumer responsibility?
My point is that communists love sitting around WAITING for someone to take drastic systemic overhauls, whilst being seemingly unable to control their own consumer habits.
Communists will destroy the planet idly waiting for capitalism to end because "I'm a slave under capitalism, I have to drive everywhere, I have to eat meat"
Life is more expensive when you're disabled. That's not news. But why should you be mad about changes that help other people save money? What you should be mad about is that the savings are turned into extra profits instead of going towards making your tickets cheaper.
I get your point and I believe people with a disability should get a sitting seat for the same price.
However, this can actually reduce the price for the sitting seat as well. As now more people will be able to fit in the airplane. Meaning that more people can share the costs of the plane. The whole goal of this is to be able to offer lower prices by lowering the costs.
In countries with a high amount of competition this is a good thing, of course in places where there isn't you already have a situation in place where you are already being screwed, and then something such as this won't help.
Not really worse than standing on the train for hours. But, standing on a train doesn't make the ride cheaper. So, in some ways better than standing on the train
Got to get that body count up these suckers be falling from the skies. Exponential Madness. Slippery Slope. We're all falling down the mountain, grasping for a short rope. Mass hysteria gaslighting clowns, limp dick leadership. Fly to your vacay as the nukes are dropping. YOLO. A world in denial. The show must go on. Welcome to the world of the billionaire welfare queen. The Liberals open the door for their devil. This was always the case. The Sun whorshippers, breed-like rats and whorship idols. Singing their coping mechanisms of toxic positive optimism. Who the hell needs to watch movies anymore? Clown, clown show, clown show. Capitalism in Crisis, everybody's goose stepping. It's easy to destroy but difficult to build. lowest common denominator.
Ryanair be Like
That's majestic
These standing seats have been coming next year for the past decade, but they always failed safety tests. Planes need to be evacuated within a certain time frame, which does not work when the plane is too densely packed.
Can't they go Middle Earth on them and just create more doors?
Pilots were asked about the problem and one said "I sen guards to the exits to help with the evacuation."
Did the stronger younger people try pushing the frail and children out of the way during these safety tests? Because I feel like the plane world empty quickly in that scenario
"Do you feel capable of opening the exit in case of an emergency?"
-- Yes.
"Do you feel capable of throwing the old woman behind you of of the window in case of an emergency?"
-- What?
"Do you know how to punch someone unconscious if they fall to hysteria in case of an emergency?"
-- I would like to leave the plane now.
dont give them ideas!
I think we should relax rules on how quickly it is to evaluate a plane, and focus more on keeping the plane in the sky. (looking at you Boeing)
I'd love sleeping pods or bunk beds on a plane and accept the higher risk of not being able to get out quickly.
Cars and probably even train are infinitely more dangerous and we accept those risks every day.
There is no legitimate reason why trains or cars should be more dangerous modes of transport than flights. It is just that the lobbies for cars and capitalist train operations successfully desensitized everyone to it, so "deadly car crash" is just shrugged away. In the US we see similar attempts to make planes less safe and just accept the numbers of people killed in preventable events.
IDK about trains, but the problem with cars is that we let people operate them with minimal training and practically no oversight. You see shit on roads daily where if the driver was flying a plane, they wouldn't even be let on as a passenger anymore ever.
We could increase the training requirements and oversight. We could design road-networks in a way that makes speeding more difficult and enact stricter speed limits.
Whenever these measures are taking in an area they greatly reduce the number of people killed or seriously injured.
I wish.
And who's going to tell all those people that they are not going to drive again, ever? In pilot training, even showing signs of bravado or machismo is grounds for getting failed. The problem is that if you do that those people will go and vote you out, especially in this climate.
One of the main campaign promises of the idiot who got the most votes in the last Dutch election was to put the speed limits back to 130 kmh from the reduced 100 kmh on motorways. People like to be dumb.
BTW it would take minimal effort to enforce highway speed limits with cameras checking entry and exit times and distances. In some places with road tolls, it wouldn't even need any more data collection. A single SQL query would return all those people doing 100 kmh over on the motorways. Wonder why outside of a few outliers, nobody does it.
people don't like wasting time in traffic and will happily take a slightly higher death rate to get it.
We are not talking about the inherent danger of driving, but the danger caused by people either physically or psychologically unfit to drive. The problem is not highways with speed limits of 130 kmh, but the people driving 240 on them, or the people driving drunk, running red lights, etc.
And as SUV sales show, most people are not comfortable with higher death rates for themselves, but are okay with endangering others. Ironically though, SUVs are more dangerous for their drivers as well, so apparently people are going for a perception of safety rather than actual safety even for themselves.
This would make people so mad though.
I don't think loosening regulations in one place will help in other places.
And if we are making rules about exiting a plane it should apply to when the plane lands normally. There is absolutely no reason it takes 30+ mints to get the fuck off the plane once we've arrived at the gate
That would mean getting rid of carry-on and deploying emergency chutes every time which costs 10s of thousands to replace each time and grounds the plane for weeks. Makes sense.
Why not both?
This looks like a pain in the balls in case of turbulence
Some would probably enjoy some turbulence in their ass.
passengers hanging outside not before 2030
How people can look at (mostly) state owned rail vs private airlines and still think the free market benefits the average person is one of life's big mysteries to me.
Watch these cost the same as standard seats, and the cost of standard seats go up
“You’re still a premium subscriber and have full access to our premium plan, but some of our options have changed.”
So I guess no putting your head between your knees in the event of a crash then, huh?
The only reason airlines would have you do that in the first place is so you can kiss your ass goodbye.
Not true.
I suppose it’s to protect your head from possible flying debris?
It's to prevent you from becoming flying debris
More too protect your teeth so they can identify via dental records
It’s a play on put your head between your legs and kiss your ass goodbye as in it’s not going to help you no matter what
Do you not know of Captain Sulemburger
Brace position.
You need to pass yoga test to afford this seat
Maybe they could replace that with a noose that comes down next to the oxygen. Then, if you get claustrophobic, you get off the plane any time you want.
The ‘ol Marylin Manson
Well strapped to a sightly ergonomic plank upright is pretty safe, even better if you face away from the direction of the crash.
Honestly, I'm pretty tall and if it gives more room for my legs, I'd like to have the option
Finally more leg room... But now your head bumps against the ceiling and you need to have your head tilted for the entire flight
Same answer as above
*stood -> standing
I stand corrected
I have to lean sideways anyway because my shoulders are too broad and the side of the plane is round.
There's so much about flying that sucks as a big person.
My knees are folded up to my chest. I'm leaning to the right to stay off the fuselage. I can't be in an aisle seat because I'm in the way of the crew, and I have to lean forward the whole time because someone is in the seat next to me. And that person hates me.
My dread of the flying experience is why I never go on vacations.
Why do you assume there will be leg room?
This. The who point is to cram more seats than they are currently able
Presumably standing seats means standing up? Hopefully not squatting seats.
Is this gonna be another stand vs. squat debate?
Will the height be adjustable? Otherwise the sitting thing will be either way to low or poking the backs of most people.
Insert short people dangling from them like kids from walkers xD
I've always imagined it would be like the seats on a stand-up rollercoaster, which are admittedly pretty comfortable; but if they don't allow you to adjust the height, it could be hell for both short and tall people
If you can stand up in a plane outside of the aisle, you're not tall.
Most people can't stand outside of the aisle because this area is meant to be seated (so they put storage space above the head). If the area outside the aisle is meant to be stood (not sure of my english), and they don't remove the storage above the head, people are in their right to luigi those decision makers.
No idea who fetterman is, I just image-searched "tall man in plane"
Is that fetterman?
Is he a drooling clown in a hoodie and shorts?
The lengths the US will go to to avoid building high-speed rail.
Because of course it's Ryanair.
Oh, you want a seat? That's an extra £50. Each. Both ways. Go fuck yourselves.
The EU needs to regulate the fuck out of that shitbag company.
It's a capitalism thing.
Extract as much value as possible. Deliver as little value to your customers as possible. Treat them as second layer of product.
Human needs are not the goal.
Yep, nobody ever tried to exploit their fellow humans until capitalism was adopted in the 18th century. The other economic systems that existed parallel to capitalism were also exploitation-free.
It is weird when you criticize one thing and people start saying shit like this, as if your critique of the one thing, is an endorsement of everything else.
The point isn't that capitalism is worse, but that it isn't any better. Despite all the fancy clothes and powdered wigs there is still a class oppressing another class except now the oppressors enjoy far fewer violent deaths.
At least a king had the decency to die several hundred feet behind the poor fucking levies in the same muck as them.
I think back then they were just high on their own supply and believe their bullshit. And nowadays the people that run things are just in a apocalyptic mindset where they know what they are doing is wrong and that's why they've built a security state to protect them and their wealth. This is why America is a police state. It's just like one big giant. concentration camp that can turn up the dial when necessary. An open air prison with varying degrees. Also, a lot of these people don't realize their products are shitty and not well made like they used to be. And you can blame China, but the world's capitalist system. And it takes two to tango. I think the people that are rich just have no conscience and they don't understand quality. The leader is a follower and the follower is a leader that is dead.
I never suggested otherwise. However capitalism's core motivator is exploitation.
It is in no way wrong to suggest we move away from such a model, or criticize such a model.
Ryanair has no plans to introduce them. (sorry for the metro link).
Also Ireland kind of gets a pass they don't have a rail link to anywhere. A Dublin-Holyhead tunnel would definitely be a good idea.
The UK can barely get high speed rail going to Birmingham where they've already got tracks. The rest of HS2 got cancelled.
I don't see how the same thing under the sea would ever get done.
Plus trains here are more expensive than planes for no reason whatsoever other than greed.
I was going to add a jab at the Brits but then thought "nah, they're going to do that themselves, much more effective that way".
Practically as an act of economic sabotage. British people hate their country and are actively trying to destroy it from within
Any non-car related spending is a "war on motorists".
Seemingly half the country think that millionaire man-of-the-people Nigel Farage will be the one to lead us to the sunlit uplands, and the only position he's never flip-flopped on is bringing back smoking in pubs.
We are doomed.
Why don't they do lay-down-only seats? Seems like you'd save the same amount of space or more with vastly more comfort.
The serious non-joke answer is the same as the one for these standing seats: emergency exit speed. When an airplane crash lands you have like less than 2 minutes to get everyone out before the huge inferno happens and roasts people. So for standing seats that pack even more people into an airplane, they have to prove that they can still get everyone out before the deadline. For laying-down seats they would have to prove the same thing.
Not only that, but also the mess it would make. Airlines make good money off of selling food and drinks, how are you going to consume those laying down? Very messily, that's how. More mess = more time spent cleaning the plane = less time in the air = less ticket sales. Not to mention the loss in drink and food sales from people who don't want to do that laying down. It's a lose lose for the airline.
I would pay a premium ticket price to get a lay down seat at the back of the plane and have no food service in that zone. That gets rid of the food sales loss, for which I have never paid for anyway, as I'd be paying a higher ticket price. I guess at that point there is still a concern regarding a mess, since I can bring my own snacks, but it's not like I would be getting some memory foam mattress with Egyptian cotton sheets with the way airlines would implement this anyway. I'd get a long
pleathervinyl cushion with maybe a standard pillow.It would be worse than what I got in the Navy, slightly, but still better than any shit airplane seat I've sat in.
There is already a premium ticket price for lay down seats on large commercial passenger jets. Many of those first class seats go all the way down.
Pop me out the side with compressed air like a decoy flare
"Missile inbound. Deploying passengers."
New ultra economy just dropped. Cheap prices, but when Russian SAMs lock on, you are now chaff.
In the contract: obligation to flail your arms and legs widely for maximum distraction.
I've been on enough planes to believe 2 minutes of evacuation time will see 5% evacuated and 95% trampled before the fiery inferno.
Remarkably, it has happened. People suddenly decide to pay attention to authority when they’re in a terrifying situation they’ve never experienced.
What I've chosen to glean from this is that I should inflict varied and new terrors upon coworkers to help keep us on track.
excellent, the boss will be proud of the new performance numbers, therapy will no longer be covered by insurance to improve the sense of dread.
Just lean it forward and have everyone slide down and out of the emergency slide.
Would you rather die in your sleep? Or with your balls crushed?
I hate to burst your bubble but almost no air disasters happen instantaneously. It takes many minutes to fall out of the sky. Also most air disasters still involve a mostly-controlled descent.
And that's what you're waking me for?
Another emergency door can't be that expensive
Bigger and older passengers would find it more difficult to get into the top bunk than to ride a standing-only seat.
But it's all shit regardless. Boeing can barely even make planes that don't fall apart on the runway. The American airline industry's fleet is increasingly defunct. The FAA is gutted. Airports are falling into disrepare due to mismanagement. You'll be lucky to get any kind of air travel in another decade.
The FAA's goal of zero air disasters will feel like a luxury in the future.
Wouldn't the same group have trouble standing for an entire flight?
If only there was some sort of halfway point between lying down and standing up, something which would be easier to than lying down, but wouldn't be as physically demanding as standing up.
Oh well.
Sounds like something we'll have to pay extra for. Better not have a disability.
Hmm..
Well that's one thing I can't really complain about in Finland, access to physically disabled people. Its honestly pretty great, it's been in the infra-design and all design mentality for decades.
Anywhere there is public access, you'll probably also find disabled access.
Like just today, I felt a little bit proud, as I spotted an outhouse built to specifications allowing wheelchair access.
We aren't the utopia people seem to think we are, but if you're in a wheelchair, you'll still get access to nice nature paths on which to be depressed on. So that's nice.
!remindme 10 years
People too fat
So we'll have them stand for hours instead?
The next step is to add a treadmill under everyone.
Instead of oxygen masks, the ceiling drops down a cupcake on a string.
This is more leaning than standing. Even a fat fuck can lean for a while
Now, it would be pretty reactionary for me to say that you are wrong, especially when speaking about Americans or even the UK. But we are all a byproduct of our environment and I still have empathy and I don't want a fat shame But I definitely don't want to glorify it and I want to find the source of the problem Because people don't necessarily choose to be overweight shit, I'm a little chunky. I'm a poor Yankee. Oh, also, very interesting, China is a capitalist country and it has an obese problem. This is all just shit on top of shit. Like, we gotta go down this rabbit hole of causation. But people don't have the attention span. One day at a time, I suppose.
Yeah, since this is a shit post, why don't they wrap the passengers like a piece of luggage and store them on a shelf? Save so much room.. Just give them diapers! /S
An additional $25 Diaper Convenience Fee has been automatically added to your total.
Honestly, that may actually be more comfortable for me than trying to fold my legs into the tiny rows they have now.
I am super torn here because pre-back-surgery me looks at these and says "the NERVE of these fuckers" and post-back-surgery me is like "Well that WOULD be nice yes"
Honestly I didn't even realize until now how good the cropping is on lemmy compared to redd*t. holy shit the number of memes that came from screenshots of twitter screenshotted on insta screenshotted on whatever the fuck but this one was profile.
Solution: bring a cheap plastic chair as part of your luggage
And if the plane fails, jump out of the plane with the chair and sit down/stand up as you're about to hit the ground.
You won't receive any fall damage during the animation.
(Make sure to check patch notes, this is a 2020 update exploit)
There's an idea. Flights that people can make standing, should be banned, except when there is a body of water between the destination.
Airlines: "You're not gonna believe what clouds are made of..."
I declare clouds are not a body of water, merely a spirit of water.
Almost mist that joke
Oh, yes corporations. I guess body of Liquid water then. 😂
Edit: 2x2 Km minimum size.
For what it's worth: this was apparently a concept created by an airline seat company called Aviointeriors who showed the idea off at trade shows in 2010 (as the "SkyRider") and 2018 (as the "SkyRider 2.0" pictured here.) Pretty much all the news articles about it are about Aviointeriors claiming vague unsourced "plans" for them to be adopted by some future date, steeped in Aviointeriors' corporate PR speak, but the articles mostly end up being about the intense public backlash to the idea. No airlines have announced any plans to buy and use these seats, not even those lunatics at RyanAir, and in the years since all SkyRider mentions have been quietly removed from Aviointeriors' own site.
Sources:
The fact this company is still around makes me think someone with a lot of money is trying to promote the concept every so often just to see if the public might finally accept this ludicrous idea. A company being around for 15 years with 0 sales and just a concept means someone wants this to happen but thinks the only problem is that they haven't figured out the right pitch.
The company sells normal airplane seats and has been around for a long time. This pitch seems to have been an unsuccessful attempt to create a new market they could rule with their crappy invention.
You say crappy, I say wait. My knees won't have to bend so much. I'd actually take this if I didn't have kids
I can’t wait to see people passing out or getting injured because of these seats.
E: plenty of people arguing like people of good health will be the only passengers.
What could go wrong standing for two hours... Nothing probably if you're a healthy young individual
People are often advised to not lock their knees for a long time while standing (ex: marching band, or standing at attention in the military), and you cannot force anyone to have healthy posture. The ergonomics of these seats appear to take some of the load off the legs and feet, but it's something to consider for patrons with more sedentary lifestyles. Many people believe themselves to be fit individuals until they are placed in uncomfortable conditions for a long time or experience unexpected stress. They could manage to injure themselves in some way, then find some reason to litigate.
honestly might even be more healthy
Only if you do it on a regular basis, not a one-shot like this (if you do not stand a lot usually).
Also, Turbulence!
apparently trombosis is a rather large problem even when flying only occasionally for vacations. That's what I meant.
But yeah, turbulences could give you a headache lol
See, this is an example of Hopium. Or toxic positive optimism. Tech Bro shit. But I think you're joking. I hope you're joking.
How fat you would have to be to pass out from standing for 2 hours?
Just wait til they stick these on international flights. You'll stand 14 hours and you'll love it, peasant.
I don't know about how much fat it might take, but my 2 knee surgeries and both my deteriorating hip joints, (been searching eBay for a good used hip joint for cheap), tell me that standing for 2 hours is a painful idea.
They will lock in place and you will be gucci for 10 hours
Afterwards you just ask this 6'3 bear like guy to give you a slight kick and off the ramp you slide out like a newborn out of uterus
So would I need up upgrade to First Class to get that kind of service?
I was kicked out of the plane in any class. I don't think this is class dependent.
It speeds things up if you put a Burger King hat on and enact a scene out of 19th century cotton farm plantations.
People will literally jump to fix your joints for free. Thats how much they love classic American themes
Right? And we should just take all the unfit people and just put them in camps and create a perfect society, right? Like, I get angry at America for being so fat, but not because they're fat. I get angry at how far down the pipeline we have gone of lowest common denominator thinking. To the point where we just eat poisonous food that our body doesn't know how to process and just stores as fat. Also, capitalism is in crisis. With lowest common denominator thinking add a little slippery slope and the power in the hands of the few with a sprinkling of toxic positive optimism with the cherry of Hopeium and now we've got out of touch shithead sundae. I mean, people are claustrophobic and, you know, I think the claustrophobic element makes it even worse when you're crammed with other people. Some of the outbursts that we see on planes is not just people losing their minds, but it's also that people are crampacked in a plane. I can see a lot more mental episodes with this type of seating Structure. And I get angry at society cheering on diminishing returns for the working class, while the billionaires are making money over hand over fist. They justify rich people to be in charge of things and to profit, but they still have yet to innovate and give us the future that they said they were going to. We're being lied to and this is just an example of you getting dominated.
I'm skinny and I'll pass out in less than an hour. Have severe POTS from EDS, heart went into asystole after 35 minutes into a tilt table test and they had to put me back down. I've passed out several times in other settings.
So you got a skip journey button and you say this is a bad thing?
I mean honestly though, I'm kinda here for that. It's essentially teleportation at that point.
I am reminded of The Jaunt where animals and humans can survive teleportation only while unconscious.
There's sci-fi show (I think it's "Foundation") where passengers have to be sedated for their high-speed space travel. Not teleportation, but I think it's approaching light speed.
Some alien race can handle it, so they are used as pilots and crew of the ships.
Lowest common denominator...capitalism in crisis. It's not a joke, man. If they can get away with it, they will.
I'm 6'6". Standing only seats would be preferable to me.
I'm 5'5" and I just know my legs would dangle like a child on their first roller coaster.
5'4" here. Yeah, I wouldn't be able to reach the floor and would hang there like a rag doll. 🤣
Yeah, crouching like a gremlin under the hand luggage chutes? Fuck that.
Currently my strategy is to attempt to fold my legs under the seat and essentially kneel because it's not physically possible for my thighs to fit. Between kneeling and praying to the God of capitalism to not give me a dvt vs crouching like the subhuman ogre I am: I'll crouch.
Oh man, I (also 2 m) can relate. For me it's always one of the emergency exit seats, that fit not too bad. But that luxury to be able to sit decently costs extra.
Next step - put bicycle seats, reducent material for backs. Then add bicycle pedals for engines, to reduce fuel usage. None said anything about actually reducing ticket price by that, high prices stays forever.
Standard ticket if you generate at least 1KW, otherwise the price goes up if you generate less, with a fine for less then 50W generated during the flight
Bet You will have to pay max price front. For security reason.
Possible overpaid (in case You return some electricity), are returned in form of credit points for next purchase!
I mean, I'm broke as shit. So if it halved the cost of the tickets I'd do it, but I'm 99% sure I'd be paying close to the same.
You must be a wizard. Of course the savings aren't transferred to you. When they fuck up. They put it on the consumer. Time is unwinding. The poor pay more.
Standing still in place for a few hours is waaay more uncomfortable than pacing and walking around. Shifting the weight on our feet really helps
I can't imagine how awful these would be, especially with how cramped they'd be packed in (otherwise they're no smaller than chairs). God, you couldn't even bend down to scratch your knee.
I remember seeing pictures like this a looking time ago so I'm pretty sure they're fake bait. At best it's an idea somebody prototyped but won't use.
Cowards just need to go all in and hang us under the plane like an overhead roller coaster.
Too much skill and engineering involved. The people that run our societies, specifically capitalist societies, because that's the only thing that's left, are too obsessed with the profit motive to actually even attain something like this. Unless you're just being flown around like meat and your survivability is not guaranteed.
This is why some people use wobble boards with standing desks. Makes a big difference.
It can even be dangerous for some people to be in a standing position for too long. I have a severe case of POTS caused by a genetic disorder. My heart stopped during a tilt table test, which is where I was forced to remain in a standing position. If I'm expected to pay more for a normal seat just because I'm disabled, that's ableism.
It sounds quiet ridiculous, but I also had some flights that were so short (~50 min) that it almost took more time to seat everybody. Anyway, I would love to read those safety reports. Not only is sitting better on impact, but also cramping more people in the same machine, means more people (which trend to not comprehend the idea of leaving their luggage behind) share the exit routes.
I don’t get it. Why not just have bunk beds and everyone gets to lay down like those sleeper busses in Asia. They get way more people on those busses than with just seats
Velcro them to the walls!
I am sure boarding and deplaning takes longer if everyone is getting into or out of a prone position. The idea might have been standing seats for short flights where turnaround time between flights was a large percent of each trip leg.
Tilt the beds so they fall down a tube onto the tarmac
If people actually pay for this it’s on them
If it catches on, these seats will be the base price and seated places will become premium. It will impact everyone that travels by plane.
And so the enshitiffication of air travel continues!
Of course. How else are they going to advertise $10 tickets to Florida?
Can I just sit on the floor like on a train in Poland?
Thats outdated thing, Polish trains now require You to play tetris, stack layers, that somehow doesn't disappear. It's like first person do sit on floor, then 2nd person sit on 1st, then 3rd sit on 2nd, and so on. Lucky ones who sit on toilet instead.
If you do not sit on the toilet, you become the toilet.
You need to fly somewhere? Okay, fuck you.
Edit: wasn't there just a story about how they are going to offer first class seats with five windows? I guess it is just gods and slobs now.
That's right, girls. Start packing on those pounds because the only airline seat that poops, then lies about it doesn't have farts in the headrest anymore.
I’ve read this repeatedly without any concept of what you’re saying but goddamn is it provocative and gets me going.
Don't put rocks in your pockets to fly
… idk if I preferred ignorance BUT the 3 seconds of that video that made it all make sense was a beautiful insight into your mind.
yeah, that show is pretty weird. it grows on you tho
First it'll be the seats. Next they will remove the floor. Now it's one of those dangling roller coaster rides without rails! 😃
Apart from the deadly practicalities, and the boring route, that does sound kinda fun ngl.
I'm over 40 and I usually stand up about half of my working day. But I wouldn't want to stand in an airplane because it's cramped.
I'm tall enough I can't stand up on any plane I've been on in the last several years....
I'd pay extra to not have to deal with the TSA as well.
The Security Theater is non-negotiable. It's there to maintain fear. Those that created the Security Theater are the ones that create the terrorism.
What about people like myself who have POTS and can't be in a standing position for too long? My heart can legit stop causing me to pass out if I'm standing for too long.
Then don't book standing seats?
Why should I have to be forced to pay more for sitting seats just because I have a disability? What if all the sitting seats are fully booked or the plane has no sitting seats for passengers? It's like intentionally designing a shop with several tall steps at the entrance that would make it impossible for wheelchair users to enter, and the wheelchair users have to pay each time they shop there to have a ramp extended at the entrance so they can enter. It's an example of ablest design.
This extreme capitalism is absurd and needs to end. People like to pretend that the state taking over industry is some radical thing, but it’s the only way to make it function correctly. Capitalists have not demonstrated an ability to handle anything, they’re like toddlers.
No, the problem is consumers buying the products.
If everybody refused to use the standing seats, they'd eventually HAVE to get rid of them, there'd be no point in having a chunk of the plane empty.
Communists be like, "we must unite to stop capitalists destroying the planet! Now where's that planet destroying steak I paid for..."
So you do support collective action against corporate tyranny? Lmao
What? What does union organising have to do with consumer responsibility?
My point is that communists love sitting around WAITING for someone to take drastic systemic overhauls, whilst being seemingly unable to control their own consumer habits.
Communists will destroy the planet idly waiting for capitalism to end because "I'm a slave under capitalism, I have to drive everywhere, I have to eat meat"
I never said anything about unions. I was talking about an organized boycott. That’s the only way to achieve what you are talking about.
I really don’t understand what you’re talking about with regard to communists. Are you talking about random people you know?
Maybe you mean folks who say “there is no ethical consumption under capitalism”? I really don’t follow.
Life is more expensive when you're disabled. That's not news. But why should you be mad about changes that help other people save money? What you should be mad about is that the savings are turned into extra profits instead of going towards making your tickets cheaper.
I get your point and I believe people with a disability should get a sitting seat for the same price.
However, this can actually reduce the price for the sitting seat as well. As now more people will be able to fit in the airplane. Meaning that more people can share the costs of the plane. The whole goal of this is to be able to offer lower prices by lowering the costs.
In countries with a high amount of competition this is a good thing, of course in places where there isn't you already have a situation in place where you are already being screwed, and then something such as this won't help.
"Second hand coffins, cheap!" -Stan, slaps lid of coffin
For a second I thought "Low quality cropping" was a new c/ being announced.
It could be
banana chair
Not really worse than standing on the train for hours. But, standing on a train doesn't make the ride cheaper. So, in some ways better than standing on the train
I've stood on the bus for 4-5 hours before. When I was younger I could sleep standing on the bus. Not sure if I could pull it off now.
I hate air travel so much. I have non-local family so deal with a single r/t per year, but that's about my limit.
Got to get that body count up these suckers be falling from the skies. Exponential Madness. Slippery Slope. We're all falling down the mountain, grasping for a short rope. Mass hysteria gaslighting clowns, limp dick leadership. Fly to your vacay as the nukes are dropping. YOLO. A world in denial. The show must go on. Welcome to the world of the billionaire welfare queen. The Liberals open the door for their devil. This was always the case. The Sun whorshippers, breed-like rats and whorship idols. Singing their coping mechanisms of toxic positive optimism. Who the hell needs to watch movies anymore? Clown, clown show, clown show. Capitalism in Crisis, everybody's goose stepping. It's easy to destroy but difficult to build. lowest common denominator.
Sir this is a highly confused Wendys...
Im ok with it given it would probably be easier on my back