If you want to go down a rabbit hole, Papal elections is as crazy as anything.
But realistically, Francis was ill for a while, and in 2025 the participants have full access to each other. They'd probably been discussing it for months before the actual conclave.
Two intersecting stories. A group of knights is travelling to Mongolia to assassinate the Great Khan. If the Khan dies all the Mongols in Europe will have to return home to elect a new leader. Meanwhile there's a Papal enclave that's been deadlocked for far too long.
Neil Stephenson is one of the writers, and it's as deep a rabbithole as any of his novels.
The first million rounds have already taken place before the 2 day clock starts.
All the remaining viable candidates are all present in the same room and not allowed to leave the building until a result is achieved.
Before the 2 day clock starts, everyone has already decided who they will support. The only thing they need to do is to acknowledge which candidates can not achieve majority support and re-allocate their votes accordingly.
They save a whole bundle of time on contract negotiations because this Pope is still on a lifelong vow of poverty. No golden parachute payments! That's all handled upstairs.
My team hired a newbie last summer. He went through three interviews AND THEN a group interview with the whole team. My boss tried to put in an 'assessment' but it didn't clear corporate HR, so we couldn't actually use it in this round of hiring.
Eight years ago I went through two rounds of interviews, though the second was with three different people in the firm. There was no group back then, and therefore, no group interview.
It's absolutely insane the hoops people have to jump through these days.
How? They either do their work, or they don't, and then you can fire them in the probation period. And if the manager can't tell that the employees aren't doing any actual work, you have a much bigger problem than some remote workers slacking off.
if the manager can’t tell that the employees aren’t doing any actual work
This is one of the biggest issues in most offices around the world, and is the rule, not the exception. It is also a big part of the reason why small businesses can often outbid larger ones - a team of 8 people who all know each other well and who will share in the success or failure of a project won't slack off, and will hold each other accountable.
Because they are citizens of a foreign country so if they break contact it can be harder to enforce legal punishment. Given the level of access some roles need it can require more scrutiny on who is hired. Slacking off is the least bit of concern here.
I dont have any data but from experience and vibes a majority of remote hires are foreign. Why would someone pay someone nz wage to work remote when you can hire someone who is probably twice as qualified for a quarter of the price.
The only locals that work remote have gotten the job then moved to remote work after they were established in the company.
It might be different in the us where you actually have a ton of local talent within the massive country.
Yeah, that is definilty different in the US and the EU. In fact remote hires from foreign countries are often not feasible due to buroecratic red-tape associated with it.
Interviews are largely pretty useless though. Unless you have an industrial psychologist doing them they're super subjective and people with personality disorders actually tend to do well in these situations.
Most people have to worry about losing money, corporations worry about not making as much money as they wanted.
When the "risk" never even matches the actual risk of having to rely on an employer to live then it really starts to look like the ownership class just shouldn't be taken seriously.
Don't be fooled: It's just management blowing smoke.
That just sounds like it should take more time, not less.
If you want to go down a rabbit hole, Papal elections is as crazy as anything.
But realistically, Francis was ill for a while, and in 2025 the participants have full access to each other. They'd probably been discussing it for months before the actual conclave.
Oh I loves me a good Pope War
https://bookshop.org/p/books/the-mongoliad-book-one-greg-bear/8059232?ean=9781612182360&next=t
The Mongoliad. Book One of Three.
Two intersecting stories. A group of knights is travelling to Mongolia to assassinate the Great Khan. If the Khan dies all the Mongols in Europe will have to return home to elect a new leader. Meanwhile there's a Papal enclave that's been deadlocked for far too long.
Neil Stephenson is one of the writers, and it's as deep a rabbithole as any of his novels.
No it doesn't.
The first million rounds have already taken place before the 2 day clock starts.
All the remaining viable candidates are all present in the same room and not allowed to leave the building until a result is achieved.
Before the 2 day clock starts, everyone has already decided who they will support. The only thing they need to do is to acknowledge which candidates can not achieve majority support and re-allocate their votes accordingly.
They save a whole bundle of time on contract negotiations because this Pope is still on a lifelong vow of poverty. No golden parachute payments! That's all handled upstairs.
Jesus, yes.
My team hired a newbie last summer. He went through three interviews AND THEN a group interview with the whole team. My boss tried to put in an 'assessment' but it didn't clear corporate HR, so we couldn't actually use it in this round of hiring.
Eight years ago I went through two rounds of interviews, though the second was with three different people in the firm. There was no group back then, and therefore, no group interview.
It's absolutely insane the hoops people have to jump through these days.
Looking for a junior position in finance: 3 interviews + 2 exams + group interview + interview with the manager
This is getting out of hand...
And they can't even get rid of him if they made the wrong choice.
The pope was elected in 5 votes though.
so maybe companies should also hold their 5 rounds in 2 days?
Trump was elected in one vote, maybe two if you count the primary election
The reason they were so fast was because the food was bad.
No joke.
Its not really a hire, its a promotion that people have been campaigning for for years.
Its the Internet. Apostrophes dont control me out here.
TBF, they chose the new pope like it was a lightning round
After learning what the Conclave is and the history of its founding, it's little wonder that cardinals try to elect a new pope in a timely manner.
“I said what I said” is such an obnoxious way to end a post, especially one making as bad a point as this one is.
Totally.
He should have been more respectful to Catholics, because they absolutely deserve it.
To me it reads like tacit admission that what he said won't stand up to scrutiny.
Same vibes as "sorry not sorry"
You're putting a hell of a lot of trust in a remote employee. I understand why there would be 5 rounds of interviewing.
How? They either do their work, or they don't, and then you can fire them in the probation period. And if the manager can't tell that the employees aren't doing any actual work, you have a much bigger problem than some remote workers slacking off.
This is one of the biggest issues in most offices around the world, and is the rule, not the exception. It is also a big part of the reason why small businesses can often outbid larger ones - a team of 8 people who all know each other well and who will share in the success or failure of a project won't slack off, and will hold each other accountable.
Because they are citizens of a foreign country so if they break contact it can be harder to enforce legal punishment. Given the level of access some roles need it can require more scrutiny on who is hired. Slacking off is the least bit of concern here.
Most remote hires are not citizens of a foreign country, where did you even get that?
And you wouldn't give a recent hire access to very sensitive internas anyway in nearly all cases.
I dont have any data but from experience and vibes a majority of remote hires are foreign. Why would someone pay someone nz wage to work remote when you can hire someone who is probably twice as qualified for a quarter of the price.
The only locals that work remote have gotten the job then moved to remote work after they were established in the company.
It might be different in the us where you actually have a ton of local talent within the massive country.
Yeah, that is definilty different in the US and the EU. In fact remote hires from foreign countries are often not feasible due to buroecratic red-tape associated with it.
Interviews are largely pretty useless though. Unless you have an industrial psychologist doing them they're super subjective and people with personality disorders actually tend to do well in these situations.
If they don't work well then fire them
There is literally no risk for the corporations that hold all of the cards
Not like there could be delays or loss of revenue or anything!
Nope, no risk At ALL. 🤦♂️
Most people have to worry about losing money, corporations worry about not making as much money as they wanted.
When the "risk" never even matches the actual risk of having to rely on an employer to live then it really starts to look like the ownership class just shouldn't be taken seriously.