I'm not too fond of calling this a 'tax'. Tax money goes to funding actually useful things. Conservatives want you to think that giving money to the government and throwing it down the toilet are the same thing.
Yk, this is the ONE time living in the ass end of nowhere has been good for my wallet.
I've wanted to paint minis for a while now, and the one mini I got is a small blueberry I haven't even painted because I'd need to buy the tools and paints, which aren't sold here.
If I were stateside I'd be drowning in orc and salamander minis. Or more likely yet, primed but not painted, and tossed aside like half the hobbies I pick up until the moment I got the jist of what its about.
Cheaper option: invent a time machine. Go back 30 years. Buy up all of the cardboard with the word Mox on them, and everything with a black border. Travel back to 2025. Sell cardboard and retire!
Proxies. I have several full decks that are all fake cards printed from high quality proxy printing sites, ~$30-40 per 100 card commander deck, not sure how tariffs changed the cost, haven't ordered recently, but it was not a US based site. Obviously not legal in competitive play, but I only play casual amongst friends
I just delete my credit card right after I sign up, and then I don't have to remember anything.
It's also much easier to unsubscribe you use a new card for each merchant, and if you no longer want to use amazon just delere the card. No need to go jump through 10x hoops to cancel
Oh hey, I do all of these on a regular basis. And regularly got in trouble as a kid for being forgetful, despite the fact that I was a smart kid with good grades. Maybe I should talk to a doc...
I must be kind of in an ADHD sweet spot. I've had tons of hobbies through the years, but also an aversion to spending a lot of money on them. I prefer cheap activities where I can make most of what's needed. When I do invest in special tools etc. I tend to stick with those hobbies a lot longer. But I've definitely seen people who jump in feet first - 3d printing is a good example - and throw thousands of dollars equipping themselves and then upgrading and modding their equipment, without ever doing much with it. Some people refer to that as being a collector instead of a maker.
Yeah same, I've tried many things but I managed to always justify to myself the purchase to make sure I'm not wasting too much money on stuff that will just use space and be unused. Still happens, but could be much much worse. Some things I come back from time to time, when the hyperfocus cycle brings me back to it, like musical instruments. Some things I only ever get the entry level stuff because I know I will move on way before reaching some stage where I need better equipment...
While I recognise some of this dysfunction in my life, I think it is possible to avoid the worst excesses. I have a workshop and a tool fetish, which can be expensive but most of my tools have paid for themselves several times over considering the money saved doing things for myself.
We have bad impulse control but we're also good at improvising, it's not all bad. I don't actually care that much about having an attention deficit, I just want to be treated compassionately, the way I treat other people.
A few months back I used self-checkout for a cart of groceries and instead of getting out my wallet to pay, I just got distracted and walked away...
When I got home, I was putting the groceries away and suddenly realized I didnt remember paying. Panic attack time. I was so sure of this that I called my wife at work and asked her what to do (I am not able to be rational when panicked.)
So I drive back to the store and tell the Customer Service desk that I think I walked off without paying. They literally didnt believe me, but humored me after I insisted. Eventually they located the Store Manager. 30 seconds after she showed up, she had my order pulled up, confirmed it was me and then had me swipe my card.
That whole thing could have gone much worse in any number of other ways. This kind of shit happens to me all the time. Eventually I will end up dead or in jail because of this shit.
I'd speak to your disability support network at work if you have one, or doctor, or anonymously speak to HR. I say anonymously cos they exist to protect the company not you
Yeah everyone forgets things but how many people have ever had their car repossessed while also having enough money to pay off the whole loan because the crappy bank that gave the best interest rate doesn't have a convenient autopay system?
I don't think people are thinking of absolution when they recognize these kinds of things are part of their disorder. It's commiserating with your fellow sufferers on the absurd, counterintuitive, and inconsistent nature of the damn thing.
Thanks for sharing but there is no need to help solution this example that happened more than a decade ago.
The original poster of this comment chain said something minimizing the severity and impact ADHD can have in a person's life to the effect of "everyone forgets things, get over yourself"
My comment explains that there is a casual level of forgetful and an ADHD level of self sabotaging forgetful which is one of the things that makes it a disorder and not just a person who is a little careless.
Right? "Forgetting things" is one thing...but whenever I have a home project I spend more time looking for my hammer multiple times than I do actually working. As an example.
I appreciate your honestly but you aren't going to find hardly anyone on Lemmy who wants to read anything made by generative AI. People have a strong negative reaction to it. As someone who tried to give AI an honest chance, I found it less than useless for even the most basic tasks. It often has no idea what I'm talking about or when it does it just makes shit up. It's good for laughs though, I had it write a script for a sequel to the 2008 film Speed Racer. That was funny to read lol.
Have to ask what you used it for for it to be “less than useless” as that seems mighty biased or hyperbolic.
I’m a software developer and work for a tiny company of 7 employees including the owner engineers.
We use LLMs everyday and the time it has saved us in real world numbers is massive to say the least.
It was enough that we all got pay rises and a reduction of hours from 37.5 to 33 per week.
It ain’t doing our jobs for us but to say it is useless is ridiculous and shows the clear bias of Lemmy on this subject matter. It’s a kin to saying a calculator is useless in making an accountable faster at their job.
I like this place but at this point it is nothing more than an echo chamber akin to the Donald where discussion is not encouraged for dissenting opinions and it’s just a circle jerk of everybody feeling superior without any intention of making the world a better place.
Ironic user name for a vibe coder. Do you guys have an estimate for the rate of technical debt and vulnerabilities introduced or is that secondary to "getting it done"?
Vulnerabilities is going to be the same as before as it’s not like we just vibe code the whole thing. It’s akin to Intellisense on steroids.
As an example we have pretty well defined coding standards and so there is a lot of repetition in how we make calls from Typescript -> GraphQL -> C#. And the fact that CoPilot learns from our code base and then learns how we do thing.
Why do I want to write the same mutations or queries every time when it’s the same, when LLMs can do it and we can solve NEW problems not the same one over and over.
Technical debt is certainly down, because take me as recently promoted from Junior to Dev and my bosses hourly consulting rate would be £1000-2000 an hour then me asking less questions saves him a lot of time to actually do the higher level stuff.
I find it interesting how you would question that my boss, literally the smartest person I’ve ever met in my life wouldn’t have done risk assessments and made a value judgement. After all we get paid more now for less work.
We don’t just get things done and we go above and beyond for clients. If we quote £50k for an application and we expect it to take 6 months and the client is still refining 12 months later then we do what is right by the client and don’t charge more.
We have local councils, one of the largest phone providers in the Uk, and other massive clients that always come back for repeat business and recommending us to other people. We do not advertise and we are not short of work.
I have to wonder how many of these people saying LLMs are useless in this context actually earn money coding and how many just rant about it because it’s the trend here.
Why do I want to write the same mutations or queries every time when it’s the same, when LLMs can do it and we can solve NEW problems not the same one over and over.
Code reuse instead of code duplication?
Technical debt is certainly down, because take me as recently promoted from Junior to Dev and my bosses hourly consulting rate would be £1000-2000 an hour then me asking less questions saves him a lot of time to actually do the higher level stuff.
'Technical debt' is not akin to financial debt. More AI generated code will result in more code that nobody wrote, thus nobody knows. Over time, people come and go, but the code stays with all the accumulated cruft. The spaghetti.
I find it interesting how you would question that my boss, literally the smartest person I’ve ever met in my life wouldn’t have done risk assessments and made a value judgement.
Sound like you are a junior dev, so how many people have you worked with for this to be a generally meaningful statement? It's also appeal to authority.
After all we get paid more now for less work.
The just getting it done attitude.
We don’t just get things done and we go above and beyond for clients. If we quote £50k for an application and we expect it to take 6 months and the client is still refining 12 months later then we do what is right by the client and don’t charge more.
Again, how is the financials an argument for AI's quality?
We have local councils, one of the largest phone providers in the Uk, and other massive clients that always come back for repeat business and recommending us to other people. We do not advertise and we are not short of work.
You praise your sales people here. How is this related to code vulnerabilities or maintainability? The projects still don't get billed by those metrics.
I have to wonder how many of these people saying LLMs are useless in this context actually earn money coding and how many just rant about it because it’s the trend here.
I've started working with LLMs integrating GPT-2 (yes there was no 3 yet) into a content delivery system. The LLMs still have the same fundamental problems, but the sound more coherent, that's all.
I never want to hear what ChatGPT says, because ChatGPT is a purpose-built bullshit machine. I would rather you leave a comment posting my debit card number than leave hot stinky garbage like this.
I'm not too fond of calling this a 'tax'. Tax money goes to funding actually useful things. Conservatives want you to think that giving money to the government and throwing it down the toilet are the same thing.
Good point. What I wonder what word would fit better: Fees, dues, expenses, charges, bills
Just cost? It’s what it is. The cost of having adhd
Extra charges, because that is what those are.
Copays and deductibles
I want to laugh, but it’s too close to home.
I’ll add:
Missing appointments, rescheduling and then missing that one too.
And still paying for the appointments that were missed
Yk, this is the ONE time living in the ass end of nowhere has been good for my wallet.
I've wanted to paint minis for a while now, and the one mini I got is a small blueberry I haven't even painted because I'd need to buy the tools and paints, which aren't sold here.
If I were stateside I'd be drowning in orc and salamander minis. Or more likely yet, primed but not painted, and tossed aside like half the hobbies I pick up until the moment I got the jist of what its about.
I feel personally attacked
Oof, isn't airsoft a money sink as well?
Oh, I had thought it would've been expensive as hell. Guess that it comes down to how built up you have your kit, I guess.
I make it a rule to only start inexpensive hobbies.
Once they have progressed, and I'm getting good at it, they turn to expensive hobbies.
This triggers the end of the hobby cycle and a new hobby is targeted.
I just started magic the gathering as a hobby, lol
My wallet feels this.
Cheaper option: invent a time machine. Go back 30 years. Buy up all of the cardboard with the word Mox on them, and everything with a black border. Travel back to 2025. Sell cardboard and retire!
Proxies. I have several full decks that are all fake cards printed from high quality proxy printing sites, ~$30-40 per 100 card commander deck, not sure how tariffs changed the cost, haven't ordered recently, but it was not a US based site. Obviously not legal in competitive play, but I only play casual amongst friends
Oh shit I just 100 percented this game. What do I win??
Crippling debt
At this moment he realized. The debt was inside him all along
I forget...
Debt
Get disposable virtual credit cards.
I just delete my credit card right after I sign up, and then I don't have to remember anything.
It's also much easier to unsubscribe you use a new card for each merchant, and if you no longer want to use amazon just delere the card. No need to go jump through 10x hoops to cancel
Oh hey, I do all of these on a regular basis. And regularly got in trouble as a kid for being forgetful, despite the fact that I was a smart kid with good grades. Maybe I should talk to a doc...
Luckily my wife pays the bills in the house or I be a mess.
This is me too. I don't think I could survive on my own.
I'm pretty good at making money tho. I'm even good at investing. But paying a simple bill requires 2 doses of Ritalin
Autopay is the way.
*well-off ADHD tax.
I must be kind of in an ADHD sweet spot. I've had tons of hobbies through the years, but also an aversion to spending a lot of money on them. I prefer cheap activities where I can make most of what's needed. When I do invest in special tools etc. I tend to stick with those hobbies a lot longer. But I've definitely seen people who jump in feet first - 3d printing is a good example - and throw thousands of dollars equipping themselves and then upgrading and modding their equipment, without ever doing much with it. Some people refer to that as being a collector instead of a maker.
Yeah same, I've tried many things but I managed to always justify to myself the purchase to make sure I'm not wasting too much money on stuff that will just use space and be unused. Still happens, but could be much much worse. Some things I come back from time to time, when the hyperfocus cycle brings me back to it, like musical instruments. Some things I only ever get the entry level stuff because I know I will move on way before reaching some stage where I need better equipment...
While I recognise some of this dysfunction in my life, I think it is possible to avoid the worst excesses. I have a workshop and a tool fetish, which can be expensive but most of my tools have paid for themselves several times over considering the money saved doing things for myself.
We have bad impulse control but we're also good at improvising, it's not all bad. I don't actually care that much about having an attention deficit, I just want to be treated compassionately, the way I treat other people.
Tools can often pay for themselves even with just one project. Bonus: they spawn new projects to create tool storage!
Just obsess over making everything yourself for your hobbies and they cost a lot less. Shit now I need more tools.
Last week I forgot to pay for one of the items in my bag. Like genuinely forgot that I had it. Had to pay 165€ for shoplifting.
Also: meds cost the same amount as my phone bill. Adds up, too.
I dread this constantly.
A few months back I used self-checkout for a cart of groceries and instead of getting out my wallet to pay, I just got distracted and walked away...
When I got home, I was putting the groceries away and suddenly realized I didnt remember paying. Panic attack time. I was so sure of this that I called my wife at work and asked her what to do (I am not able to be rational when panicked.)
So I drive back to the store and tell the Customer Service desk that I think I walked off without paying. They literally didnt believe me, but humored me after I insisted. Eventually they located the Store Manager. 30 seconds after she showed up, she had my order pulled up, confirmed it was me and then had me swipe my card.
That whole thing could have gone much worse in any number of other ways. This kind of shit happens to me all the time. Eventually I will end up dead or in jail because of this shit.
Easy fix. Just make sure you make enough to pay the adhd dues
uhhh. >_> who should I talk to about getting diagnosed?
I'd speak to your disability support network at work if you have one, or doctor, or anonymously speak to HR. I say anonymously cos they exist to protect the company not you
Oh I HAVE A BINGO !(unfortunately)
These all hit home 😳
Ha. I'm lucky if I remember to wash them once!
I'm a 5/9
I'm not diagnosed and I'm 9/9
arent you suppose to buy something after losing it? eating out is not allowed for nonadhd guys? is this suppose to be a meme or something?
Neurotypical people don't lose things as often. And when they do, they often remember where they misplaced it by retracing their steps.
Neurotypical people have their shit together so they find time and energy for cooking meals more often than people with ADHD.
I definitely find myself in all of these, except for the one in the middle of the last row.
i get it now. the picture oversimplified this.
\sigh
Yeah everyone forgets things but how many people have ever had their car repossessed while also having enough money to pay off the whole loan because the crappy bank that gave the best interest rate doesn't have a convenient autopay system?
I don't think people are thinking of absolution when they recognize these kinds of things are part of their disorder. It's commiserating with your fellow sufferers on the absurd, counterintuitive, and inconsistent nature of the damn thing.
Your bank almost certainly has a way to mail checks on a schedule.
Thanks for sharing but there is no need to help solution this example that happened more than a decade ago.
The original poster of this comment chain said something minimizing the severity and impact ADHD can have in a person's life to the effect of "everyone forgets things, get over yourself"
My comment explains that there is a casual level of forgetful and an ADHD level of self sabotaging forgetful which is one of the things that makes it a disorder and not just a person who is a little careless.
Except that "forgetting things" is the most salient symptom of ADHD, while "being an asshole" is nowhere near the autism spectrum.
Right? "Forgetting things" is one thing...but whenever I have a home project I spend more time looking for my hammer multiple times than I do actually working. As an example.
I have 5 hammers, 2 identical drills, and 4 box cutters because of this.
I have some 20 pair of scissors for the same reason.
I don’t even want to know how many screwdrivers I’ll find when I pack my shit to move.
Object permanence is a big problem. A big expensive problem. I can set something down right in front of myself and lose it basically immediately.
Fuck off. This community literally has just the one rule.
Get this LLM slop out of here. If you can't be bothered to write your own comments, don't bother saying anything at all.
I appreciate your honestly but you aren't going to find hardly anyone on Lemmy who wants to read anything made by generative AI. People have a strong negative reaction to it. As someone who tried to give AI an honest chance, I found it less than useless for even the most basic tasks. It often has no idea what I'm talking about or when it does it just makes shit up. It's good for laughs though, I had it write a script for a sequel to the 2008 film Speed Racer. That was funny to read lol.
Have to ask what you used it for for it to be “less than useless” as that seems mighty biased or hyperbolic.
I’m a software developer and work for a tiny company of 7 employees including the owner engineers.
We use LLMs everyday and the time it has saved us in real world numbers is massive to say the least.
It was enough that we all got pay rises and a reduction of hours from 37.5 to 33 per week.
It ain’t doing our jobs for us but to say it is useless is ridiculous and shows the clear bias of Lemmy on this subject matter. It’s a kin to saying a calculator is useless in making an accountable faster at their job.
I like this place but at this point it is nothing more than an echo chamber akin to the Donald where discussion is not encouraged for dissenting opinions and it’s just a circle jerk of everybody feeling superior without any intention of making the world a better place.
Ironic user name for a vibe coder. Do you guys have an estimate for the rate of technical debt and vulnerabilities introduced or is that secondary to "getting it done"?
Vulnerabilities is going to be the same as before as it’s not like we just vibe code the whole thing. It’s akin to Intellisense on steroids.
As an example we have pretty well defined coding standards and so there is a lot of repetition in how we make calls from Typescript -> GraphQL -> C#. And the fact that CoPilot learns from our code base and then learns how we do thing.
Why do I want to write the same mutations or queries every time when it’s the same, when LLMs can do it and we can solve NEW problems not the same one over and over.
Technical debt is certainly down, because take me as recently promoted from Junior to Dev and my bosses hourly consulting rate would be £1000-2000 an hour then me asking less questions saves him a lot of time to actually do the higher level stuff.
I find it interesting how you would question that my boss, literally the smartest person I’ve ever met in my life wouldn’t have done risk assessments and made a value judgement. After all we get paid more now for less work.
We don’t just get things done and we go above and beyond for clients. If we quote £50k for an application and we expect it to take 6 months and the client is still refining 12 months later then we do what is right by the client and don’t charge more.
We have local councils, one of the largest phone providers in the Uk, and other massive clients that always come back for repeat business and recommending us to other people. We do not advertise and we are not short of work.
I have to wonder how many of these people saying LLMs are useless in this context actually earn money coding and how many just rant about it because it’s the trend here.
Because... assumptions?
Code reuse instead of code duplication?
'Technical debt' is not akin to financial debt. More AI generated code will result in more code that nobody wrote, thus nobody knows. Over time, people come and go, but the code stays with all the accumulated cruft. The spaghetti.
Sound like you are a junior dev, so how many people have you worked with for this to be a generally meaningful statement? It's also appeal to authority.
The just getting it done attitude.
Again, how is the financials an argument for AI's quality?
You praise your sales people here. How is this related to code vulnerabilities or maintainability? The projects still don't get billed by those metrics.
I've started working with LLMs integrating GPT-2 (yes there was no 3 yet) into a content delivery system. The LLMs still have the same fundamental problems, but the sound more coherent, that's all.
Except you're not using a tool, you're replacing your comment with the tool.
Eat a bag of dicks. Nobody wants to read LLM garbage, regardless of whether you think that's ableism or not.
I never want to hear what ChatGPT says, because ChatGPT is a purpose-built bullshit machine. I would rather you leave a comment posting my debit card number than leave hot stinky garbage like this.
Maybe you could type responses to people with the bony tentacles on your hands, using your brain?
This isn't the kind of slop I want pretty girls to throw on me
Username checks out…?