The other one I was thinking of was Hunger Games .... 12 different regions governed over by one powerful region that controls everyone else with military power using all the latest most deadly and most invasive technologies humanity can imagine.
I don't remember all the details of the film series ... but a feature of it was in seeing genetically enhanced, augmented animals and insects used for warfare ... killer wasps, more powerful animals, birds eaves dropping and recording conversations (the mocking jay)
Imagine a world where genetic modification became unrestricted and used for warfare and used to enhance or modify humans, animals, insects or diseases or conditions.
A small correction: Jabberjays were the mutts used for surveillance and reconnaissance, mockingjays were what happened when Jabberjays interbred with wild Mockingbirds. Nature reclaiming its beast allowed for the districts use them as a tool for communication, an insult to the capital who was trying to strip power away from the districts, not give them more. This is why the Mockingjay became the symbol of the rebellion.
That movie was contemporary geopolitical commentary using a sci-fi metaphor. Same as District 9 (a refugee crisis).
So you could argue that future is now, depending on your views.
most likely? not the xenomorph part of Alien, specifically, but the general message of unchecked corporate greed leading to disaster for everyone is an all-timer.
I think Blade Runner 2049 is our most likely future from a food systems/decimated eco system perspective. Androids and flying cars, yeah, maybe. No natural vegetation and only the only crops being produced in greenhouses. Probably not by 2049, but I could easily see it by 2149.
-Federal government still technically exists but has barely any ability to do anything
-Everything privatized including police and emergency services
-Wealthy live in gated communities while most of the population lives in corporate owned slums
-Leader of a megachurch is trying to take over the world
Yeah, this one really seems like we are heading in that direction.
William Gibson's writing after the Sprawl trilogy always seemed very likely to happen. I mean, squatters living on the Bay Bridge in NorCal after it gets damaged in an earthquake, for instance. Not the really out there stuff.
Yes, absolutely. His most recent books, the peripheral and agency, have a very plausible outcome—ultra rich living supported by automation after 60-80% of the less fortunate perish over 30
Years in a series of rolling catastrophes they affectionately refer to as “the great jackpot”.
Nothing that relies on AI that can pass for a competent human.
Admittedly, this is an ignorant guess, but I don’t think we’re on the right track to manufacture consciousness. I’m not even sure it can be done at all.
This is what I tell everyone, we're on a path where both of these novels are true, at one point will there be a split of one or the other. I think it'll end up closer to 1984.
Or Judge Dredd, Demolition Man
I actually think that Hollywood is putting out these movies to get everyone used to the behaviour. Well not actually but maybe it's sort of somewhat possible.
My company poached a bunch of people from a competitor. And I'm hoping to parlay my US job into a transfer to the EU to get citizenship. Meanwhile my company is building arguably the most complex system ever made by humans. No one employee knows enough about it to say how it works. All we know is that big corporations pay big money for it. And if a system is capable of becoming self aware, it will happen in one of our facilities as no one else has systems as big and fast as ours.
No one employee knows enough about it to say how it works.
Just a friendly warning: This is a giant red flag for any job.
You are almost certainly working for a scam if you hear things like this. This is exactly what Bernie Maddoff employees would have said, or anyone at FTX or WeWork.
My advice? Get the most out of it that you can, money, transfers to EU, whatever, and don't let them drag you along. set deadlines. make written contracts with dates in them.
Be prepared to not be paid without warning, and MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL: Keep Receipts, save emails, photograph them if neccessary. Be aware of laws, and get things in writing if you are requested to do anything you are not sure is legal.
Except we'll be running around like cave people with spears made of iron or copper pipe .... we might get imaginative and use bicycles or giant kites or wind surfing.
Horses might exist but they'll be too expensive to maintain and will only be available in certain regions where expertise can survive alongside the farming resources to maintain these animals
It might look like Mad Max for about 10 years maybe 20 but not beyond that.
Motorized vehicles won't be possible after 20/30 years because all fuel supplies will disappear, any stored fuel will break down and be unusable or contaminated and there will be no more manufacturing of new fuels. And if there are places producing new liquid fuels, they won't be able to supply anyone beyond 100 km of the manufacturing center. Wars will be fought for the fuel centers and chances are they will be destroyed in the fighting.
Would Don't Look Up count as a soft cyberpunk future (since some of its tech is above what we have)? The social part of it in all aspects feels right on track. Substitute the comet for any number of things.
Samantha Morton was the original voice for the AI (which I'm guessing would have been an amazing improvement), but was replaced by Scarlett after everything was recorded. Some BS about appealing to the American audience, but I think it was more about a cash bung and BJ.
Upgrade is perhaps an interesting cyberpunk dystopia given current events.
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Elysium
Instead of a space station, the ultra rich will live in a giant gated city that has all the world's latest technologies and medical services.
The rest of us will work menial jobs to supply everything for the city.
The other one I was thinking of was Hunger Games .... 12 different regions governed over by one powerful region that controls everyone else with military power using all the latest most deadly and most invasive technologies humanity can imagine.
I don't remember all the details of the film series ... but a feature of it was in seeing genetically enhanced, augmented animals and insects used for warfare ... killer wasps, more powerful animals, birds eaves dropping and recording conversations (the mocking jay)
Imagine a world where genetic modification became unrestricted and used for warfare and used to enhance or modify humans, animals, insects or diseases or conditions.
A small correction: Jabberjays were the mutts used for surveillance and reconnaissance, mockingjays were what happened when Jabberjays interbred with wild Mockingbirds. Nature reclaiming its beast allowed for the districts use them as a tool for communication, an insult to the capital who was trying to strip power away from the districts, not give them more. This is why the Mockingjay became the symbol of the rebellion.
^Alita
Although an Akira crossover with Alita could be fun.
That movie was contemporary geopolitical commentary using a sci-fi metaphor. Same as District 9 (a refugee crisis). So you could argue that future is now, depending on your views.
Science fiction is usually about present issues. It puts them in a different context to offer a different perspective and enable consideration.
That's true. It's also a way of taking contemporary trends and extending them in a slippery-slope type analysis.
The Twilight Zone and Black Mirror have entered the chat.
I replied elsewhere but, yes, that's what they want. Peter Thiel is a proponent of the Network State and absolutely is working towards that end.
We can't get to Elysium, because we defunded all our health care R&D
most likely? not the xenomorph part of Alien, specifically, but the general message of unchecked corporate greed leading to disaster for everyone is an all-timer.
Weyland-Yutani has entered the chat
Is ‘Brazil’ in contention?
Or 'THX 1138'
Oof. The Ministry of Information would like to interview you about your involvement in this "buttle" affair.
I think Blade Runner 2049 is our most likely future from a food systems/decimated eco system perspective. Androids and flying cars, yeah, maybe. No natural vegetation and only the only crops being produced in greenhouses. Probably not by 2049, but I could easily see it by 2149.
Is our current dystopia not good enough?
Side note: I really liked Her. Great music, relatable story (for terminally online folk at least). If you haven’t seen it, I’d recommend.
Karen O is a treasure.
Snow Crash seems to be a favorite of the current heads of mega tech corporations.
-Federal government still technically exists but has barely any ability to do anything -Everything privatized including police and emergency services -Wealthy live in gated communities while most of the population lives in corporate owned slums -Leader of a megachurch is trying to take over the world
Yeah, this one really seems like we are heading in that direction.
William Gibson's writing after the Sprawl trilogy always seemed very likely to happen. I mean, squatters living on the Bay Bridge in NorCal after it gets damaged in an earthquake, for instance. Not the really out there stuff.
Yes, absolutely. His most recent books, the peripheral and agency, have a very plausible outcome—ultra rich living supported by automation after 60-80% of the less fortunate perish over 30 Years in a series of rolling catastrophes they affectionately refer to as “the great jackpot”.
I'm almost done watching Season 1 of The Peripheral tv show now. Its really good.
Yeah I thought they did a great job on that one, hoping they make a season 2.
It doesn't seem likely but stranger things have happened. Crossing my fingers.
They canceled it during the writer's strike unfortunately
Ahhh sad
I was hoping for Shadowrun, at least there'd be magic, elves, orcs and trolls around
Robocop one is rather close.
Nothing that relies on AI that can pass for a competent human.
Admittedly, this is an ignorant guess, but I don’t think we’re on the right track to manufacture consciousness. I’m not even sure it can be done at all.
1984 and brave new world simultaneously
This is what I tell everyone, we're on a path where both of these novels are true, at one point will there be a split of one or the other. I think it'll end up closer to 1984.
Or Judge Dredd, Demolition Man
I actually think that Hollywood is putting out these movies to get everyone used to the behaviour. Well not actually but maybe it's sort of somewhat possible.
A mix of Her, Gattaca, Mad Max, Idiocracy, 1984, Ready Player One, Waterworld.
The classic of course.
We're allready half way there. Neuromancer.
My company poached a bunch of people from a competitor. And I'm hoping to parlay my US job into a transfer to the EU to get citizenship. Meanwhile my company is building arguably the most complex system ever made by humans. No one employee knows enough about it to say how it works. All we know is that big corporations pay big money for it. And if a system is capable of becoming self aware, it will happen in one of our facilities as no one else has systems as big and fast as ours.
Yes, I work in AI.
Just a friendly warning: This is a giant red flag for any job.
You are almost certainly working for a scam if you hear things like this. This is exactly what Bernie Maddoff employees would have said, or anyone at FTX or WeWork.
My advice? Get the most out of it that you can, money, transfers to EU, whatever, and don't let them drag you along. set deadlines. make written contracts with dates in them.
Be prepared to not be paid without warning, and MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL: Keep Receipts, save emails, photograph them if neccessary. Be aware of laws, and get things in writing if you are requested to do anything you are not sure is legal.
I think you misunderstood my intent. The modern world has a lot of Neuromancer aspects.
The AI programmers don't know how to manage servers. The sysadmins don't know how the liquid cooling works.
Every company has silos. And AI itself is kind of a black box. Non-deterministic software is by definition unknowable.
Plus the whole centering of the novel on AI.
There is no such thing as Non-deterministic software. except maybe microsoft windows. Jury still open on that one.
I stick to my statement, and you can remember this post in 5 years, and we can see who was right :)
Let me guess, you’re building Skynet. Just remember not to give it any minigun robots, nuclear missiles and robot factories.
Skynet already exists.
Mad Max once climate change really gets cooking.
Except we'll be running around like cave people with spears made of iron or copper pipe .... we might get imaginative and use bicycles or giant kites or wind surfing.
Horses might exist but they'll be too expensive to maintain and will only be available in certain regions where expertise can survive alongside the farming resources to maintain these animals
It might look like Mad Max for about 10 years maybe 20 but not beyond that.
Motorized vehicles won't be possible after 20/30 years because all fuel supplies will disappear, any stored fuel will break down and be unusable or contaminated and there will be no more manufacturing of new fuels. And if there are places producing new liquid fuels, they won't be able to supply anyone beyond 100 km of the manufacturing center. Wars will be fought for the fuel centers and chances are they will be destroyed in the fighting.
Cyberpunk? Deus Ex, just the first game. The sequels have the depth of a puddle.
Or if climate apocalypse then something like Mad Max, but way dumber perhaps.
That'll do.
"This plague...the rioting is intensifying to the point where we may not be able to contain it."
"Why contain it? Let it spill over the schools and churches, let the bodies pile up in the streets. In the end they'll beg us to save them."
"You misunderstand. They're rioting because we're trying to save them with vaccines. They don't think they need to be saved."
"God, people are so fucking stupid. Why do I even want to take over the world?"
Yeah we were too optimistic in our dystopia fiction.
Idiocracy lacks the malice and bad faith.
The ones with fascist governments are the closest, like 1984.
If fascism is not a distraction. I still can't believe that the billionaires have let Trump win with no further plans.
They're working toward the Network State model where they basically get to be tech-enabled neo-feudal lords with near slave populations.
https://thenetworkstate.com/
Yep, Ive heard it referred to as techno-feudalism.
The Road.
Was Her a dystopia? I recall it being a fairly good world to live in.
Our dystopia somehow manages to both be one of the most boring and the most destructive. Figures.
Flow My Tears, the Policeman Said, or A Scanner Darkly. Definitely something by Dick.
It's not much of a dystopia, and it certainly doesn't seem to end that way, but the animated movie Robots just keeps feeling more and more relevant.
Would Don't Look Up count as a soft cyberpunk future (since some of its tech is above what we have)? The social part of it in all aspects feels right on track. Substitute the comet for any number of things.
What's the movie on the left?
Blade Runner, a cyberpunk classic.
Samantha Morton was the original voice for the AI (which I'm guessing would have been an amazing improvement), but was replaced by Scarlett after everything was recorded. Some BS about appealing to the American audience, but I think it was more about a cash bung and BJ.
Upgrade is perhaps an interesting cyberpunk dystopia given current events.
The limbo from the movie “wristcutters”