Minnesota Supreme Court: Female breasts are not lewd or inherently sexual and can be exposed in public
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Equal treatment irrespective of the sexual features you were born into? What a left-field decision in this clusterfuck of a year.
Free the nipple!
Yes ladies, now we too are free to freeze our tits off in Minnesota.
TIL Minnesota has no summer.
Minnesota Summer is more like Missouri year round
Female-presenting nipples?? Tumblr told me those were porn.
I loved the movement years ago to shop male nipples over female nipples and post the end results. I mean, letter on the law and stuff, right?
Heres another one. Getting mad at trans women for both "pretending" to ne women and also for being topless/flashing their breasts.
It's weird that a man topless is fine for pg movies, even G probably. But a woman topless shoots it right up to R. Though Titanic was PG-13. I assume it was more relaxed at the time?
It happened now and then, but it's mostly because James Cameron gets to do whatever he wants. Any rando director and it's an R rating. If PG-13 movies get to show a female-presenting nipple at all, like the Fifth Element, they will be very brief, often from the side, and may not even be in focus. They're probably not using makeup or other techniques to make the nipples stand out.
Same with Wolf of Wall Street, but on the next level up. Scorsese directs and argues against an NC-17 rating (which is considered a box office death sentence).
Hollywood is a very nepotistic industry, and the ratings system is no exception. Most of the rules for ratings aren't even written down. There are unwritten rules that even the general public figures out (like only getting one f-bomb in a PG-13 movie), but they can be cast aside when a major director or producer gets on the phone and causes a fuss.
There are quite a few PG-13 where women are topless. Boobs don't automatically get an R rating. Everything else being equal, I believe it has to be topless in a sexual context to elicit an R rating.
I cannot think of any others... Do you have any examples?
There used to be a <1 second time limit in which brief nudity didn't apply.
There's honestly no shortage.
Here are some examples:
Saturn 3 (1980) had a little bit
Airplane! (1980) A woman hops into frame and out of frame completely topless for a second around 45 minutes in.
Ragtime (1981)
All even older than Cameron's Titanic.
I wouldn't count those, as I suggested things have shifted. I remember watching a 1980s film that was pg at most and considered a kids show with swearing and people flipping the bird.
I don't think their is a single movie after Titanic with a full view topless female that isn't R.
There was a stink when Cameron released Titanic and pushed it through as PG-13, but it got overruled.
We've been getting more and more worried about safety ratings for years, interesting for Minnesota to lead the way back to where most of the rest of the world rests.
The Fifth Element (1997)
The Cider House Rules (1999)
Something's Gotta Give (2003)
Across the Universe (2007)
The Diving Bell and the Butterfly (2007)
Passengers (2016)
Asteroid City (2023)
All of these are PG-13 and all feature female topless nudity. Just off the top of my head
See reddit's r/pg13nudity
Men aren’t even referred to as having breasts because they’re so much smaller, but a really long time ago some people dictated that women should keep that shit covered up, ostensibly because giblets started tingling at the sight. Meanwhile, cultures exist that make no distinction between the two, and casually ask the rest of the world, “Fucking… why?”
I think this is a disingenuous take. Different cultures all have their own taboos. Is it all social constructs? Yea, sure, but that doesn't make them invalid within context. By nature they aren't logical.
They're cultural creations. They were created by human beings, and WE have the power to change them. If we want something to stop being a taboo, we can simply will it to be as such.
Quite a bit of hubris you have there...
Better than nihilistic fatalism that the world is doomed and there's nothing we can do to improve it.
Um, sure. If those were the only two options.
History disagrees. It's very hard to go against cultural norms, and in many cases can result in being ostracized, imprisoned, or put to death.
The taboos are pretty logical. They’ve swung back and forth over the years. For example, the Victorian era of prudishness appeared not long after the syphilis epidemic.
I see what you've done there.
Why is it disingenous? It shows just what you said by the end - that it's not logical. Doesn't that make them kind of invalid? What kind of context would make them valid? Just history?
They can be logical... Just not always.
Just probably don't do it in the 9 out of 12 months we used to have winter in
Pretty sure the mosquitos will get you for the remainder.
"I didn't even know nipples could shatter, but there they were: on the floor all broken"
For those concerned (or hopeful) about vast hordes of topless Minnesota women roaming the streets: They made boobs legal in Ontario in the mid 90's and I've NEVER seen any women go topless in public. I'm sure it happens, but it's extremely rare. Heck, most guys still swim in t-shirts up here.
The point of the law in Canada was to make a point that if men and women are to be equal, the law should reflect that. Of course in the US it's about sex and not equality.
The mosquitos alone are gong to keep them covered. As a man, I don't go without a shirt when outside.
Dude. Mosquitos are fucking assholes! I once went hiking in a tshirt and I walked by an area wiyh stagnant water and lots of mosquitos. Guess what was their preferred part to sting? I made a point to have full sleeves after that.
Exposed female breasts are legal in BC, or maybe just the greater Vancouver area, and I've seen more than a handful of wild, naked, boobies in my time there.
Go topless or the misogynists win!
With all the crazy stuff going on in the US, sometimes some good happens too
I lived in Haiti for 3 years where the top of a woman was not considered private. Within 2 months, looking at a woman's breast was about as exciting as looking at her elbow. Weirdly, they switched back to being sexual after returning to Canada.
There is an incentive to cover them for women
When they stop becoming "private parts" they stop having the effect
Woman’s breasts aren’t considered private here (Canada) either
By law or by culture?
At least in Ontario. Women have had the same right as men to go topless anywhere a man would. This is since 1996, I think that’s when that Gretchen lass took it to court.
So by law, yes. A culture of women walking around topless is a different thing entirely.
But the article is about law, not culture, right?
The reply a few above is about Haiti, which is more cultural. That's how we got here.
Oh, I see.
Both?
To be clear, I would expect that if it's by culture, then it'd be very common to see women walking around topless and nobody pays it much attention.
Lots of places allow it at a matter of law. There's been many state Supreme Court cases like the one in OP that say female breasts don't count towards indecent exposure. Where I live (Madison, WI), those laws only apply to being sexually lewd. Anyone can technically run around naked otherwise, but it's not something people commonly do outside of the World Naked Bike Ride and protests.
You can see women topless at beaches but only in summer
The ASCII art looks better this way: ( . Y . )
These always take me back to the 80s. Newsgroups at 2400 baud. The struggle was real.
Those tiny little nips tho...
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This really needs to be normalized. Men can use desensitization to staring at boobs.
Plus if its hot and you need relief, let the puppies breathe.
Fun fact: they once dressed up some female rats in 'slutty' clothes and make up and the male rats preferred that to other female rats that were 'au naturel'. You'd think a species with no concept of a nudity taboo wouldn't notice this, but apparently that happened.
Point is: accentuated or 'decorated' nudity would be sexier than just simple nudity.
The boys' first sexual experience was with a girl in a vest, so they sought more of what they knew they enjoyed. It's not that certain clothing is inherently sexual, but that the sex/clothing association is learned.
Which makes me what made those male rats gravitate towards the female rats in makeup and a microskirt thingie...
What I mean is that the study contrived the situation such that their first time having sex would be with a female in a vest. This caused the rats to associate the vests with sexual pleasure and form an association between clothing and sex. Similar studies have trained rats to associate other things with sex as well.
What does this mean?
They're referring to a study regarding learned associations with sexual arousal:
https://www.livescience.com/48980-rats-sexual-attraction-lingerie.html
Wow. I thought I was familiar with most of the unusual rats studies, but I never heard about this.
I wonder if desensitization really works here. I'm kind of annoyed that boobs have this power over me. And in this day and age it's not hard to see them every day.
I'm definitely down to try and find out.
I see naked boobs all the time.
Still love naked boobs.
Amen.
Yeah. Topless isn't naked, and people who think otherwise are a bunch of weirdos.
Finally. Can we now, as a people, move on?
Based Minnesota
This is DISGRACEFUL! IMAGINE if a CHILD sees a FEMALE NIPPLE! The DOWNFALL of America is Happening in FRONT of our Eyes!
-People who Worship School Shooters!
What if they actually use the nipple to...feed the baby
Meanwhile Texas just banned the Virginia state flag because it has a cartoon A-cup.
.) to drive ‘em wild in Texas
now if only we can end sexual segregation...
Boobs aren't even a turn on for me, but I say don't let this die in the courtroom, take this to the streets!
A little unorthodox, but I'm going to allow it.
Yeah that's nice but if I let my moobs free I still get hated on, when's the oppression gonna end??