That's not what the Hippocratic Oath says. I know it's just smoke and mirrors, but that oath still means something. Any doctor who would disregard it should not be trusted with your health, and should not be practicing medicine at all.
-whole morality concept is also crap as fuck, but let's say this crap did allow for some people to live longer and/or healthier
And now for the neat part or why I won't become a doctor unless forced by some apocalyptic shit: say, you know for sure the patient has caused and/or will cause immense harm and suffering to others (think killers and rapists, for example). Unless you are inhuman, you will doubt whether to help them and thus cause more suffering to other people or let this one die and prevent that, and there is nothing shitty about that.
This is abhorent, but heat me out: part of me kinda likes this. I'd rather know immediately if a doctor doesn't want to treat me so that I can find one that does want to.
Can you imagine having darker skin color and being assigned to be treated by a doctor who cosplays KKK in his free time? I can't imagine he'll do the right thing, at worst he might outright try to make it worse or kill you. This at least gives you too the knowledge that your doctor will actually want to help you
Having said that, fuck Tennessee and fuck the united states of America
"I'd rather know immediately if a doctor doesn't want to treat me so that I can find one that does want to"
Kind of hard to do if you're in the ER with say an ectopic pregnancy in Buttfuck, TN and there's one doctor on staff and if you're not treated immediately you die.
Well then you're with an ectopic pregnancy in buttfuck TN and they dont have a doctor in staff, apparently. Maybe that hospital should see that, and then just go and hire an actual doctor
apparently some red areas are so desperate they are willing to pay for out of state doctors, just to work in the state for few times a week, they can make bank too.
You dont get to be a conservative and an a qualified doctor, unless you want a doctor who just says the lord shall heal thy wounds and sends you on your way.
Hopefully any doctor who does this gets their accreditation or certification suspended. (I think the licenses are a state operation, so that's not going to happen.)
In america doctors don't take the Hippocratic oath anymore.. Doctors of medicine still take a modified version, but "Doctors of Osteopathy" take their own special oath where they have this wonderful little section which does a LOT of heavy lifting:
...to employ only those recognized methods of treatment consistent with good judgment and with my skill and ability, keeping in mind always nature's laws and the body's inherent capacity for recovery.
I will be ever vigilant in aiding in the general welfare of the community, sustaining its laws and institutions, not engaging in those practices which will in any way bring shame or discredit upon myself or my profession...
And, as I'm sure you can imagine, this leaves open to the interpretation of the reader what constitutes "natural law", "good judgment", the "general welfare of the community", or "practices which will bring shame or discredit".
Also, those Osteopaths, who are not even considered doctors in many international jurisdictions, still swear to hold to the principles of Osteopathy, a pseudoscientific quackery which says that anything your body needs to heal can be produced by your body. I'm sure you can guess how that relates to vaccines.
If informed, consenting patients could receive the medications they want without gatekeepers, I might be convinced this is a good thing. I certainly don't think surgeons should be forced to perform acts they feel are immoral.
But, we've set up a system of gatekeepers (yes, for safety) and their collective morality should not prevent me from medicating myself. Until we figure out a (public and patient) safety system for medication that doesn't have gatekeepers AND that system is implemented, doctors should not be able to refuse someone medication without a medical justification.
I also feel that most doctors operate very close to a "public accommodation", so should be affected by the same non-discrimination laws that affect restaurants (even fancy ones where you have to book months in advance). That might not be every doctor, but it should cover enough. In that case treatments, including surgeries, can be avoided on moral grounds, but not denied based on the patient's protected class(es).
Can’t wait for a gay doctor to deny treatment for a bigot and all their heads explode.
(They’re heads never actually explode and this bothers me.)
"I need to take your température. Here, put this in your mouth. "
* lights fuse *
* runs out of the office *
Or:
"Here, put this in your mouth"
"Whyszit tafte so fummy?"
" It's a rectal thermometer"
This goes in your mouth, this goes in your ear, this goes in your butt... No, wait... THIS goes in your mouth...
and the last one goes in your urethra
You mean..out the toilet?
I was hoping it would be penis :(
Me every day 😩
Be the change you want to see in the world (in minecraft)
or deny if they are christian or republican registered.
"Your chart here says you voted for donnie 3x....I'm sorry that's a precondition called the real TDS that no one will cover...."
you also deny vaccine, promoted anti-vax on your social media pages.-denied.
That's not what the Hippocratic Oath says. I know it's just smoke and mirrors, but that oath still means something. Any doctor who would disregard it should not be trusted with your health, and should not be practicing medicine at all.
Fuck you for blaming doctors. They’re threatened with prison because of medieval maga laws.
Hippocratic oath, more like hypocritical oath amirite
And should be reported immediately. Blasted on the news.
Hey American Doctors and Nurses, Canada is looking for great physicians to practice and contribute their talents to.
Stop wasting your life and time in fascist America. Canadas fucking fabulous and awesome!!
https://globalnews.ca/news/11076683/doctor-recruitng-b-c-u-s/
How about engineers? Pretty please?
I hear a bunch of European countries are hiring!
Applies to insurance companies too. Yikes.
it allows them auto deny, things like non-christians, but doctors can refuse to take INSURANCE so doctors have some leverage.
If your morals compel you to deny care to someone, they are shitty morals, you are a shitty doctor, and you are a shitty human being.
Double edged sword. My morals won't allow me to treat a Republican
... and lawyers.
This also implies that the denying doctor is ok with breaking an oath to do no harm.
I would be interested to hear your take on the old manga/anime "Monster".
Mm, nah. First, few remarks to set context:
-the law is crap, no question about that
-whole morality concept is also crap as fuck, but let's say this crap did allow for some people to live longer and/or healthier
And now for the neat part or why I won't become a doctor unless forced by some apocalyptic shit: say, you know for sure the patient has caused and/or will cause immense harm and suffering to others (think killers and rapists, for example). Unless you are inhuman, you will doubt whether to help them and thus cause more suffering to other people or let this one die and prevent that, and there is nothing shitty about that.
Ah. Healthcare denied to ICE enforcers. I am alright with that.
You're saving them money by automatically denying. Instead, bring them in and tell them to their face you don't serve fascists, then charge them $800
They don't need it if the EMT arrives and they're dead on sight.
It would be hilarious if doctors denied care to everybody who voted for this.
Any doctor that does this is a shitty fucking doctor.
It would violate their professional oaths, and yet, somewhere there's an OB/GYN and an optometrist ready to fucking rumble
What weird morals do optometrists run into?
The same as other doctors: bigotry
Thankfully my optometrist is colorblind
My optometrist just showed up on that MAGA businesses's website, so IDK but I bet they have some ideas.
Conservatives continue to be garbage
*regressives
Tomato Tomato
Conservativism rose out of a support for the aristocracy.
You misspelled confederacy
Nope!
(but they were conservatives)
Don’t get into the field if you aren’t willing to do the duties.
Cops: lmfao
Warren vs DC
alot of them fall through the cracks with passing grades, or the state is so desperate for health professionals they will waive somethings.
Can they also provide necessary procedures if it is required by their morals?
Good point.
You can swear on the internet, I won't tell mom.
Some instances censor their users' posts.
Is that for real? Why would they do that?
"It is immoral to provide health care, because that's in defiance of God's will."
This is abhorent, but heat me out: part of me kinda likes this. I'd rather know immediately if a doctor doesn't want to treat me so that I can find one that does want to.
Can you imagine having darker skin color and being assigned to be treated by a doctor who cosplays KKK in his free time? I can't imagine he'll do the right thing, at worst he might outright try to make it worse or kill you. This at least gives you too the knowledge that your doctor will actually want to help you
Having said that, fuck Tennessee and fuck the united states of America
"I'd rather know immediately if a doctor doesn't want to treat me so that I can find one that does want to"
Kind of hard to do if you're in the ER with say an ectopic pregnancy in Buttfuck, TN and there's one doctor on staff and if you're not treated immediately you die.
Well then you're with an ectopic pregnancy in buttfuck TN and they dont have a doctor in staff, apparently. Maybe that hospital should see that, and then just go and hire an actual doctor
freedom works well even when it is for the antagonist.
So racist doctors are protected now?
So are doctors who won’t morally treat a police officers gunshot wounds.
I see this being repealed in record time.
I wish I was a doctor in Tennessee now, just so I could do shit like this.
apparently some red areas are so desperate they are willing to pay for out of state doctors, just to work in the state for few times a week, they can make bank too.
Oh sorry I meant I'm not even a doctor, let alone in Tennessee, haha.
My friend is though and recently got a $500k+ base pay with other incentives offer to go to Indiana - but they said no.
yea i heard doctors were earning around that, and more.
You dont get to be a conservative and an a qualified doctor, unless you want a doctor who just says the lord shall heal thy wounds and sends you on your way.
Oh yeah, that should go over super well.
Hopefully any doctor who does this gets their accreditation or certification suspended. (I think the licenses are a state operation, so that's not going to happen.)
“Only the ones who deserve it.” - Tennessee Republicans
Same
Though shall not allow a politician to live... Or something like that. Sorry senator I can't treat you.
Oh so now morality is wack huh.
On call on Sunday. "Doctor, please help!" "Nope, working on Sunday violates my morals."
In america doctors don't take the Hippocratic oath anymore.. Doctors of medicine still take a modified version, but "Doctors of Osteopathy" take their own special oath where they have this wonderful little section which does a LOT of heavy lifting:
And, as I'm sure you can imagine, this leaves open to the interpretation of the reader what constitutes "natural law", "good judgment", the "general welfare of the community", or "practices which will bring shame or discredit".
Also, those Osteopaths, who are not even considered doctors in many international jurisdictions, still swear to hold to the principles of Osteopathy, a pseudoscientific quackery which says that anything your body needs to heal can be produced by your body. I'm sure you can guess how that relates to vaccines.
Cause fuck them! There’s our place…
So can I just not do my job if it violates my morals?
No insurance? Oh well, let them die..
If informed, consenting patients could receive the medications they want without gatekeepers, I might be convinced this is a good thing. I certainly don't think surgeons should be forced to perform acts they feel are immoral.
But, we've set up a system of gatekeepers (yes, for safety) and their collective morality should not prevent me from medicating myself. Until we figure out a (public and patient) safety system for medication that doesn't have gatekeepers AND that system is implemented, doctors should not be able to refuse someone medication without a medical justification.
I also feel that most doctors operate very close to a "public accommodation", so should be affected by the same non-discrimination laws that affect restaurants (even fancy ones where you have to book months in advance). That might not be every doctor, but it should cover enough. In that case treatments, including surgeries, can be avoided on moral grounds, but not denied based on the patient's protected class(es).