Spyke
fedia.io

For those not appearing to get it, Trump allowed his sycophants to berate Zelenskyy for not wearing a suit in his White House meeting. Folks are treating Trump's attire faux pas accordingly.

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archonetreply
lemy.lol

More than that, Trump isn't in the middle of actively fighting a fucking war, and a funeral has one single, solitary wardrobe expectation: wear black.*

Even if not for that utter dumpster fire of a press conference, I also remember the fuss made about Obama's tan suit that he just happened to wear during a televised event (which was not a funeral). On every level, this clown deserves mockery.

::: spoiler * not universal to all kinds of funeral ceremonies, I know. this, however, was one of those funerals. :::

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a funeral has one single, solitary wardrobe expectation: wear black.*

You're not wrong. I put special instructions (Canadian Tuxedo) in my will.

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Bringing up the suite on live TV was so cringe. Vance is such a little weasel.

That being said. He should probably wear a suit. It just looks a little silly in that environment not to. I get the "war general" look when he's in Ukraine. I just think if you're gonna go do diplomacy you should also look the part.

Now, do I want him to wear a suit now? Fuck no. Now I want him showing up in jeans and a sleeveless tee out of spite.

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That's why they put it in quotes. During his first term his personal doctor listed Trump's weight at 239, which everyone with at least one functioning eyeball knows is complete horseshit. But naturally he lies about that like he lies about everything else

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gets the media to focus on something other

I didn't see the clown makeup until you mentioned it; but that's what it is, isn't it? The circus continues.

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lemmy.world

He could have worn a black suit with a MAGA hat. Same result, but much more dignified.

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lemmy.world

Honestly, now that we're literally sending people to concentration camps, I have zero fucks to give about this superficial bullshit. No one gives a shit about what Hitler wore at the '36 Olympics, and no one's gonna care what this asshole wore to a funeral.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

It's purely to be on the attack. Republicans showed for the last fifteen years if you're performatively aggressive against the opposition eventually you get what you want.

You don't have to hate Trump or his suit color. Just love democracy and socialism and the working class. If this gets some apolitical conservative people to not vote for the Republicans then awesome.

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jj4211reply
lemmy.world

The thing was that they resorted to the tan suit and terrorist first bump bullshit because Obama gave them so little to work with. For Trump you didn't need to waste everyone's time when his administration is ignoring court orders, arresting judges, declaring warrants and due process unnecessary, and tanking the economy.

The tan suit stuff may have helped energize the base by preaching to the choir, but everyone else found it ridiculous and made them skeptical of conservative media. When you are inundated nearly daily with real terrible stuff, no need to undermine credibility by latching into this sort of fluff.

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I agree, and once would have dismissed the sociopolitical pragmatism described by the commenter above as “lowering our discourse to their level” or something of the sort.

I eventually realized that this instinctive criticism was valid only if they were still growing as people, and capable of more than what they are now. The assumption is that setting higher expectations might convince them to “elevate their discourse” if only to save face.

But what I’ve come to realize is that this was far too much to expect. By all the evidence available to date, these folks never advanced far beyond the emotional maturity of the average middle schooler. At this level of maturity, superficial and public humiliation is quite literally the most serious attack, as it bloodies waters presumed to be infested with sharks.

Yes it’s pathetic, and yes “stooping to their level” feels gross, but Republican voters are only enthused by policies which benefit them directly or hurt others they feel deserve it. Perceived power matters a lot to them, and seems to be attached to explicit expressions of it that are similarly pathetic— as in, truck nuts, “I am very smart,” “I have a great brain and concepts of a plan,” etc.

So public humiliation of trump for an otherwise petty and irrelevant issue (especially by someone he can’t touch without losing a chunk of his base) absolutely succeeds in making him look weak, and making Trump look weak is directly correlated with his voters’ loss of motivation to vote (see RWA personality type/disorder; it’s fascinating).

Enough of these successful offensives will cause his most die-hard voters to lose faith in him (caveat: to seek out somebody stronger) so to de-motivate a current right-wing conservative voter, likely we must accept that petty “mean girl” tactics are the only language they understand, due to their arrested emotional development, and robbing them of their “strongman” is both easy and effective. Ridicule the emperor with no clothes and his voters, who are themselves unclothed, might go home and rethink their fashion statement.

TLDR: It sucks but crass pragmatism may be warranted in this case. The first language of Trump voters is small-mindedness, and it’s often the only one they understand, so we might consider rolling our sleeves up and speaking it if only so future generations don’t have to.

Edit: corrected swype errors.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

but everyone else found it ridiculous and made them skeptical of conservative media.

I found it ridiculous too and it made me very skeptical of conservative media. I wasn't the target audience. And with this blue suit attack line, I'm not the target audience either. It's not for me or most of the people on social media delivering the sound bite. Like the tan suit controversy before it, it's for conservatives.

When you are inundated nearly daily with real terrible stuff, boo need to undermine credibility by latching into this sort of fluff.

Conservatives either don't believe, don't care, or like that terrible stuff. We should boo that too, and continue to cover it, but we need to take the short amount of time it takes to knock the fluff out of the park. Our issue hasn't been making fun of Trump for the wrong things, it's not making fun of him enough. We haven't been aggressive enough and Democratic politicians definitely haven't been aggressive enough.

I bought into Jon Stewart's line that we need to focus on more substantive criticisms. Then in it turned out Trump voters like him because of the economy and the price of eggs? No, we needed to make MAGA's 'strongman' look weak in the eyes of his supporters. Septimaeus covered this concept comprehensively so review that comment if you haven't already.

If all we talk about is fluff that would be a mistake, but refusing to engage with the fluff at all is also a mistake.

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jj4211reply
lemmy.world

I corrected my typo, it was supposed to be no need.

Talking about him falling asleep can undermine his undeserved tough guy image, I don't think mocking his blue suit does anything but make it look like we are grasping at straws.

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We still need to do the more substantive arguments for our positions, such as progressive and socialist positions, and refutations of neoliberal and fascist positions. But once the sound-bite reaches saturation in the population it will, in theory anyway, have done the desired damage.

To some conservative people, a man not wearing a black suit to a funeral is effectively taboo. It effectively is to some of the users, without respect to their political positions, in this comment section apparently. It's something some of his voters will have to rationalize to defend him. If we do enough of these trivial ad hominem attacks eventually some people will be less motivated to vote Republican.

People who do not care about suit color will considered this topic to be a trivial non-issue and move on with their day. They aren't the target audience. And the people who do care will be really bothered by it. What bothers a person is different for everyone. People probably should be bothered by the more serious life or death stuff, but not everyone is. To some people climate change is a trivial non-issue and by talking about that we're grasping at straws according to them.

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Alaknárreply
lemm.ee

This guy is not the president of the United States.

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No, he's the future King of England, and also, like Trump, not a Catholic, there's a link here.

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nyctrereply
lemmy.world

Apparently the dress code is dark suit + black tie. So this is fine. Trump's tie was blue

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sh.itjust.works

This is the sort of news that does nothing but bring attention away from real problems. Blame these idiots for being a bunch of liars and criminals (including the pope) not for wearing the wrong suit color.

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Exactly, and every other post is like that.
Look what stupid thing Musk or Trump did!
Boring and annoying.
Petty libs venting their frustrations online while doing nothing IRL

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lemmy.world

Just one in my lifetime I wanna see the rapists, the convicted felons, the wannabe gangsters elected to office, the people linked to Jeffrey Epstein, the presidents who put personal interest before country, the tactless lying connen grifters and the orange buffoons leave this plane before the good men with some semblance of balance, tolerance, moderation and compassion.

Just once in my lifetime.

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lemmy.world

Not to defend him, but that's exactly what Francis didn't care about.

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lemmy.world

On the plus side, it is the sort of thing Trump cares about. Hit him in the vanity if you want him to feel it.

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SeeMarkFlyreply
lemmy.ml

I suggest that you stop using his name. He gives out pet names constantly to de-humanize his enemies. Pick one of these or use a different one every day.

A loaded adult diaper of belligerence

Adjudicated Serial Rapist (VOTED MOST ACCURATE)

Agent Orange

Agolf Twitler

All in all, it's just a little prick with no Wall

He lives in: Alternative fact land

Ancient Orange

Assholini

Ayatollah Complainy (Thanks Stephen Colbert)

Baron Von Shitzinpantz

Benedict Donald

Blab the Inhaler

Borderline Junius

Borderwall Personality Disorder

Captain Bone Spurs

Captain Capslock

Chainsaw-In-Chief 

Chaos in Chief

Cheat Miser "Whatever I touch, starts to melt in my clutch." 

Cheddar Cheezus

Cheeto Brain

Cheeto Christ, Stupid Czar

Chettolini

Combover Caligula

Commander in Thief

Commander in Tweet

Condom Escapee

Conman-der in chief

Conquistaorange

Coppertone Caligulia

Coup Klux Tan

Current presidential placeholder

Darth Cheetoh

Dementia Don

Diaper Don

Dick a l'Orange

Diet Dr. Putin

Dingus Con

Dipshit Donnie

Disaster in Chief

Dodgin Donny

Dollar Tree Dictator

Don Feloni

Don Poorleone, The Fraudfather

Don the con

Donald “putinsremoved” Trump

Donnie Dumpo

Donnie Thin Skin

Donorrhea of the mouth. A Republican ailment.

Dorito Mussolini

Droolius Geezer

Dumbo Donnie

E Pluribus Dumbdumb

Everlasting Jobstopper

F Elon

Faux prez

Felon (DO NOT USE by order of inmate #P01135809)

Facsimile Fuehrer

Fanta Fascist

Fanta Fuhrer

Fart face von shit stick

Felon 47

Felonious Dump

Fibbernazi  Revenger

First lady Donald J. Musk

Fraudfather

GropenFührer

Gulf Of Idiot. Middle name of Of

Hair Farce One

Half off Adolf

His Royal Heelspur

Individual One

Inmate #P01135809

Klanned Karenhood

Lil' Donny Two-Scoops

Lord Feltersnatch

Lord Repugnant of the Fourth Reich

MAGA Teresa

Maga-Lardo

Manchild McTinyhands

Manchurian Cantaloupe

Mango Moron

Mango Mussilini

Mango Unchained

Marmalade Maggot

Marmalade Messiah

Melon Felon

Moscow Marionette

Mrs Donald Putin

MyPillow guy low-budget stunt double

Nectarine Nazi

Ol' Smeller

Old Wack Donald

Orange Caligula

Orange Foolius

Orange Hitler

Orange Judas

Orange Tufted Shit Gibbon

Orange Von Fat Fuck

Orangesama bin G'olfin

Orangutan

Papaya Pinochet

Payless Putin

Pervert Hoover

Pumpkin pol pot

Pumpkin Pustule

Pumpkin Spice Palpatine

Putin’s Puppet

Scammer in Chief

Sleepy Donzales

Super Callous Fragile Ego Extra Douchey Rapist

Super Callous Fragile Racist Sexist NAZI POTUS

Tang the Conqueror

Tangerine Palpatine "Let the hate flow through you. Feel the power of the covfefe side of the farce!'

Tangerine Palpatine

Tangerine Skidmark

Tangerine Turd

Tangerine Tyrant

The Count of Mostly Crisco

The Fanta Menace

The Melon Felon

The Quicker, Thicker F***er Upper

The Slob Father

The Village People's Idiot

Theme song: I Shot the Tariff

Theme song: Tsar Spangled Banner

Toxic Revenger

Trumpaloompa

Trumplethinskin

Trumpty Dumpty

Velveeta Voldemort

X‘s Diaper

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I have Gropenführer. I just didn't put the DER in front. Fixed, THANKS.

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SeeMarkFlyreply
lemmy.ml

I get kickbacks now from mouse scroll wheel repairs. My job at FAA fell through due to you know who.

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Superb list, a few more:

Mango the Hutt

Nectarine Noriega

Pumpkin Pinochet

Fluorescent Franco

Agent Orange

Agent Krasnov

Mango Mussolini

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Excellent additions, I'll add these, THANKS.

I have to be careful not to insult too many people. This is already 10 up and 6 down. I'm almost in the middle of the road.

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Nah thanks, his pet names are lame and forgettable. I keep using Trump exactly to dehumanize the name and make the name synonymous with his failures. Using these makes only takes away from that.

History must remember what a failure this man is, so I'd rather use that name.

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lemm.ee

Don't try to shame 47, he has no shame. I can't even watch the UK office because of second hand cringe, but he would probably take notes

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It's not about shaming Trump. Like you say, he has no shame. It's about exhausting his base. It takes a second to make fun of him for it.

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Honestly, I don't give a fuck. He's doing genuinely despicable things that are much more deserving of the media's limited time.

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..... and they had a never ending media fiasco for a president wearing a tan suit ... and it didn't have anything to do with a funeral or anything, a black president just decided one day to wear a tan suit!

Meanwhile an orange president is given directions and suggestion as to what to wear to an international funeral for a prominent figure and he ignores all protocols because he is just that dense.

He's laughing at all of us because he's thumbing his nose at the world to let everyone know he can do whatever he pleases without any regard for decency or respect ... for himself, his country, the living or even for the dead.

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lemm.ee

Well he's finally being held to the same standards as Obama

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Wdym? Obama pulled it off. Trump just looks tired. And angry. But more tired.

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Nayreply
feddit.nl

Wearing black to a funeral isn't about fashion

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One day I hope no one cares what people wear to a funeral, only that they show up. In the meantime if making fun of Trump this way contributes to Republicans losing elections I'm all for it.

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lemm.ee

RESPECTING the Pope is NOT something TRUE Catholics would do!

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lemmy.world

Oh come on, tan suit again? You're better than this, people

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

We're living in a fascist dictatorship. If making fun of Trump for his blue suit makes Republicans lose in the midterms that's all that matters. Anyone who seriously believes suit color matters at a funeral is living in a state of self-inflicted misery.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

No one cares about hypocrisy enough to change their vote. Besides Obama's tan suit didn't matter then, Fox News needed their daily sound bite, and Trump's blue suit doesn't matter now, we need a sound bite today. But if anyone is being hypocritical it's Fox for not being outraged over Trump. And of course the Republicans and MAGA do not care. It was always about having another controversy to use as a wedge against Obama to gain political power.

Trump knows criticism of any kind is bad for him. That's why he references the Tds, Trump derangement syndrome, in his rallies. When he runs out of things to blame Obama and Biden for he can just blame the people who don't vote for him. He knows it keeps his base happy, makes him look good to Republican voters, and that he was never getting Democrats or leftists to vote for him. The Democrats really need to learn that last one, but about Republicans.

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slrpnk.net

Ok we won't talk about anything that doesn't change votes three years from now.

I guess we won't talk about anything.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

First, hypocrisy is not a worthwhile criteria for an idea. We should judges ideas independently of the people espousing them. People who practice what they preach can practice awful, harmful, and useless ideas and people who don't practice what they preach can preach great, helpful, and useful ideas.

Second, plenty of things change votes. And I guess anything, even hypocrisy might change someone's vote on something. But it clearly didn't with this case about the blue suit with Republicans.

But making fun of Trump might make him seem that much less based to some of the people who casually vote for candidates and if that translates into some fractional change in votes against Republicans it will have been worth it.

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gnatereply
lemmy.world

Not really equivalent situations. Obama wearing a tan suit wasn't in a context that demanded a specific wardrobe.

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This. Obama can wear what color he wants at the White House and there should not be an issue, but he would be expected to follow dress code at a FUNERAL because it's common decency.

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No, most of Trump's supporters are idiots so you have to point out every miniscule little fuck up otherwise they will think that Trump is amazing.

Yes, it's inconsequential, but if you don't make a fuss about it Republicans will think he is infallible.

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lemmy.world

I bet this more subdued dark blue suit looked black when he looked at it in the closet next to all of his other tacky bright blue suits.

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Funerals are for the family. Not the dead person. You won’t care because you’re dead, I’m sure his close friends and relatives cared quite a bit.

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As he is an embarrasment all the time, he was just in character to the popes funeral. Just keep in mind that he uses makeup like a mad clown, so dressing up like one is just fitting.

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No, not really.

Very much apropos when we just had this fat fuck and his couch fucking buddy go all deranged about some other guy not wearing a proper suit at a formal event. Also it's a fucking funeral that literally had a dress code.

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lemmy.today

When I die I won't give a single fuck what people who go to my funeral wear.

I'm not defending the guy. I'm just accusing the church of being the other side. Assholes on both sides. I hope my exercised freedom of speech doesn't ruffle feathers. I don't have a suit myself.

I remember when John Paul died and we got Ratzinger Z who was promptly removed for sexual stuff. So I might live to see 4 popes! What a time to be alive! 4 popes. Most people I know are also 3 popes old and pushing for 4.

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Neverclearreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Funerals are not for the dead, they're for the living experiencing grief in the wake of a loss.

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Yeah, so I sure as fuck don't want people telling anyone nice enough to come to my funeral that they wore the wrong color suit. Make fun of Trump and the fascists whose voters hopefully will be as annoyed at this. But don't trouble the rest of us about it.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

Blue because its the democrats fault... /s but yeah seriously who gives a fart. Lets criticize something important

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

It takes two seconds to make fun of him for it today. It's just to exhaust his base of non-MAGA Republicans. Republicans have shown you can be on the attack for everything a person does, for the last fifteen years. Either be vocal or die in silence.

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Poking at a person's insecurities can be one of the best ways to deal with bigotry and hatred. So very much exhaust.

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tlekitekireply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Concentration camps. Secret police. Secret police motherfucker. Use a VPN so that they dont know you are a social media radicalist. They are kicking in doors. Handcuffing people. Tossing them like so many potatos into unmarked vans. Its only Latinis today so you are safe.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

More like reality show tv police. They had Dr Phil on an ICE raid. Their goal is to scare people. But they are very close to getting to anyone, not just immigrants. And it's been all kinds of immigrants not just Latinx. They been detaining pro-Palestinian students on student visas and tourists from European countries.

Also, so far they are outsourcing the death camps, to El Salvador, but I think they are probably going to start using American prisons and maybe even military bases. Trump signed an executive order for getting lethal injection drugs to the states. I think firing squad might be the method of choice still but we'll see I guess.

I use my real name and face on BlueSky where I'm openly trans. The only reason I used my account name here is because it seemed like Reddit and the I only did that on Reddit is because the site recommend it.

I would link to my BlueSky but I doubt you people would benefit from that site and vice versa. You all mean well, but I think BlueSky would lose its mind over Lemmy and I know people here don't like BlueSky so I'm keeping you separate for your own good.

But push me on it and I'll do it. I'll link to my BlueSky. I've been openly Jewish and atheist since elementary school and openly socialist since high school. I suppressed I was trans for the majority of my life and I would rather die than keep doing that.

Also social media radicalist? I think that's the furthest left of liberal on the political spectrum I've been labeled on this site by another user so thanks for that.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

In the last fifteen years, Republicans have been on the attack for everything Democrats do. They don't pick and choose their battles. They are perpetually aggressive and now they have all three branches of government. No one has to care what suit Trump wears, but any excuse to make fun of him means your side is on the attack.

I think it's some cultural thing where you wear black to funerals and no one but the bride wears white to weddings. Rules people made up to get mad at other people are bizarre and awful but I'll use them to attack fascists any day of the week. edit: typo

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Liberals as in Neoliberals do. Neocons and fascists definitely don't, but will claim they do. Progressives have thankfully figured out they can be mean. The fact most Democrat politicians are useless neoliberals doesn't mean we have to be.

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That's a fundamental misunderstanding of political ideologies. These are all different ideologies from fascism. Although neoliberalism and by extension neoconservatism lead to fascism. No one is a classical liberal anymore. Compared to classical liberalism, neoliberalism is fundamentally its own ideology that was developed in the 20th century. Neoconservatism is a more conservative and usually more war hawkish version of neoliberalism.

Here's a useful video about neoliberalism to improve your analysis.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zswexNXorOE

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sh.itjust.works

Wow this is just Reddits /r/politics. You're as bad as Trump and his minions, who even gives a shit if he wears a suit, not to mention a few shades darker?

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Only real pieces of shit criticize something as benign as a suit. Like yourself, and Trump himself.

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psudreply
aussie.zone

It's pretty much a rule for funerals: wear black clothes and if you wear a tie, use a black one, if you wear a ribbon, make it a black one

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turnipreply
sh.itjust.works

He's basically is wearing black. Your gonna bust someone's balls over a small shade difference in real life too or is this a massive circlejerk?

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It's not even dark blue. You may have some color blindness. The suit and tie are blue, not a shade of gray.

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