BREAKING: Defense Department reinstates gender-affirming care for trans troops
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the headline makes it sound like they chose to do this but in reality it was because the courts made them because the original decision was unconstitutional. :)
Deep down I knew there was no chance it wasn't forced. They're actively ignoring other court orders so I guess even these evil fucks sometimes realize to pick their battles.
Oh I know. Climate change is getting accelerated as fuck right now. And so many other things you cannot even know what to be most concerned about
Things could be so much better, but on a few occasions I have been pleased to see that even Trump can't stop environmental progress. Coal will never be big again, and renewables are still the best way to fix rising utility prices; in large part because of what Democratic presidents have built over decades. Pro-environment groups are still doing their damnedest even in a hostile administration.
What you wrote here is encouraging. Though I was thinking specifically about trump opening national forests for logging which is just disgusting.
I don't care how desperate someone is for a job, anybody who even approaches a national forest or park with a chainsaw...
Yeah, it's insane. The belief is still around that if you care about the environment at all that makes you some kind of leftist political revolutionary/hippie. But to me it just means you have an iota of foresight.
Cutting down forests without looking strongly toward the consequences of that is just fucking stupid and pathetic. The US has practically zero old growth forests. Changing the makeup of the forest has fucked, and will fuck, with the ecosystem, which we are not apart from. It affects us eventually. In ways we cannot predict. It's a moronic move and it will harm future generations of humans, if not the current ones.
Actually, if the economy crashes (like under the pandemic) that will slow climate change quicker than our proposed mitigation plans.
100% they're literally diarrhoea-shitting policies up the wall and seeing which fecal stains the courts and the economy miss or don't care about.
This is a success. We need to do more now. No relief, just motivation.
They chose to listen to the courts instead of the executive. That's sadly pretty huge
I am so glad to see somebody upholding their oath to support and defend the constitution.
I wish the President would do the same, the slob
I'm pleasantly surprised it wasn't just ignored. Not like anyone would have enforced it.
Just because courts ordered it...
I have heard that a part of it may have been unit cohesion within the military. People go through hell together in training. If, at any point along that line, they were able to remark "Oh, you're trans? Whatever, man. You're the one who's got my back when I'm getting the mounted MG into position." then federal discrimination may have actually ruffled some real army feathers.
I'm still glad to see that the military, at least, is still respecting court orders.
Cue malicious compliance in 3...2...1...
Why did this happen? Where did a random W come from? Everything is falling apart and no one is doing anything about it and we just get a W out of nowhere from nothing? How do we do it again
Court
That, and Hegseth seems to be spending all his time being paranoid about leaks when he's the biggest leaker. Between that and day drinking, he doesn't have much time in his schedule to actually advance fascism.
Didn't think I'd end up saying this but thank god he made that moron.
He's concerned over leaks about his leaks. Literally.
just... "court"?? court seems to be going all left of sideways throughout the nation, I'm surprised this got somewhere
A lot of people are doing a lot about it. Might be time to step away from the Internet if you really believe that. The reality is dark enough you don't need to make it out to be even worse
I'm not talking about protests though. how do you expect me to hear about it if I step away from the internet? local newspaper? what an irritating comment. can you please say something actually helpful? i was asking a genuine question and i got this bitchy response from you, i really don't appreciate that. if a lot of people are doing things, how about you tell me any single thing rather than just fucking insult me??? who's making it worse here?
If you don't see how those statements contradict each other, were already done here
Calm down. You clearly aren't doing well, it's a genuine suggestion that I myself need to do more often. Which is also why I'm not engaging with you anymore that this
stop making assumptions about me
Trans Jesus
I'm confused. So we're listening to court orders now?
Great news though
The military are practical. This is an issue that was behind them. They’d established their policies and programs. They were baked in. They had moved on. They don’t care for the politician of the hour jerking them around. People think the military are conservatives, but the army is neither a red state or a blue state. It is green.
I'm going to be optimistic for now that this is a sign that the military is concerned with honoring their oaths to uphold our Constitution by following due process etc, after 100 days of profoundly disturbing attempts by the Executive branch to dishonor the highest of laws in our land.
I'm sure they are worried about driving away talent as well.
My very first thought was “wow, the pentagon really ran all of their best programmers away and now they’re scrambling.”
I'll be honest, even if that is the only real reason for them doing this, I would still consider this good news.
They know the cost involved in training people... training people who now have the skills to fuck shit up somewhat more than the average citizen.
I highly doubt the Russian backed MAGAts want talented soldiers. They prefer "yes" people who will blindly follow orders and weaken the US military.
They ought to listen to The Onion and do everything in their power to protect those beautiful, mystical trans people.
(Id link the vid but I'm too lazy so I'll do it later)
Hate that the only way to trans Americans to have any right is only if they commit war crimes
Leave the shithole country
Why not encourage people to stay and fight?
Meh thats an option, it been a long slow decline and it seems to be in the final stages now. If there was no fight then there will hardly be now.
Username checks out
Some rare good news.
I've maintained that as a serving member, regarding your gender identity, I don't care, the enemy doesn't care and the incoming fire sure as shit don't care.
So balance of powers does exist, if we maintain it.
I wouldn't hold my breath on that. They initially said they were compiling with getting Garcia back only to but when courts said to show they were working towards it. Them the story changed.
I'll be believe they are complying with the old policy in a month if no one says they aren't able to get care.
As someone who's competed against all manner of genders in roller derby, lemme tell you, trans people are tough as nails and you want them fighting for America. The USA men's team for the RD World Cup even has a trans-man, and they beat out 50 biological men for that spot.
Trans men are (or can be) biologically male. The best term to use for 'non-trans' men would be cisgender men. 'Biological' is the preferred term that bigots use to spread misinformation and insinuate that trans people aren't real, natural, or equal.
Someone else said it pretty well:
Respectfully, I'm not going to get into the linguistic gymnastics here. My meaning is clear.
I think the point that you seem to be missing is that your language is not respectful. Adding the word respectfully doesn’t change that. The other poster was offering constructive advice and the rationale. You’re just being wilfully ignorant at this point.
"Biological (insert gender here)" serves as a dogwhistle for a lot of organizations that actively push trans bigotry. It gives a fake impression of a scientific take on sex that really hasn't been embraced by the scientific community for about 50 years at this point.
They aren't telling you what to think here, they are alerting you to a tool that organized bigotry is using and giving potential tools to subvert it. Once you see "Biological man/woman" for what it actually is (non-scientfic false categorization) it really can't be unseen.
Also - Can we stop with the calls that people are trying to control what people think? It's pretty lame. There's nothing about this interaction that is trying to force you. All that's happening is you've denied that a certain school of thought is valid. You have stated your reasons why you think it's invalid and now people who have taken upthat school of thought are defending their position. That's just normal discourse.
Give you a hint. When people tell you "they are trying to control what people think" that's actually doing more to control people - because it's asking someone to take it on someone else's faith that there's nothing to be listened to rather than engaging with the arguement yourself.
That's shitty. Just take the advice.
Thank you for your opinion. I hope you have a nice weekend.
That's also not a very nice thing to say.
You don't want to change your stance on your transphobic wording?
No worries. I added plenty of context, so everyone knows my meaning and intent.
You know what's wild? This is the first time I've ever heard of men doing roller derby. I mean, I'm not surprised that men do it, I'm just surprised that I've gone my whole life up to this point and never heard of/encountered/or met men that do roller derby. Are all-male teams common in the sport?
USARS and MRDA have mixed-gender rules. Each team can only field two men in a jam, and if they have a guy sitting in the box, that counts.
I don't know many all-male leagues or teams (apart from Team USA), just because there aren't that many men in the sport.
How many WWII films depict trans shows put on for the troops by the troops? Especially in the Navy. Is that all fiction?
My understanding is that this was definitely a thing. It's been over a decade, but I recall reading a bit about it in a book called 'Conduct Unbecoming', a history of gay people in the military.
Note that I've just read a few books and am not an expert though. I just don't care about the genitals of the badass putting on the uniform to protect me.
I never wanted to be told what to do, much less when to put my life in danger, so the military wasn't a great fit for me. However, I'd be 100% astounded if gay and cross dressing soldiers, seamen etc. weren't a somewhat common thing throughout the ages, about as or more common than trans-gender in society today, which Google currently rates as about 1/200 people.
I've read too much history to put my life in the hands of the US military. They'd just order me to bomb civilians and I'd end up in prison for disobeying orders.
Some trans people are tough as nails. Some of us are dweebly little Hank Green knock offs. 🤓
So the court ordered them too.
The article is making it out like the DoD is "defying" Hegseth, but that seems like a misrepresentaion, as it seems he has to go along with this.
I guess it's a "win" because the DoD isn't openly defying an order...
It'll get overturned. Give it time. And then maybe that'll get overturned again. We'll see, but this isn't decided.
Pleasant as this is, I wonder how they're going to keep the crybaby-in-chief from demanding they stop again as part of his 'dei is evil' crusade.
This is about everyone suffering from gender dysphoria. They say they're attacking trans people, who make up a small fraction of society, but they're attacking treatments for a diagnosis anyone could have. This stuff helps a lot of people, more than we might typically think about.
On one hand cool, on the other hands troops not cool
There is going to be an open rift between the US military and government very soon, I'm calling it. Let's hope it doesn't come to a full-on civil war
A military coup is one of the best-case scenarios and requires a little more optimism than I have left.
best? I don't think it would turn out how you think it would...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Argentina#Infamous_Decade_(1930%E2%80%9343)
How is it gonna be a civil war if the military is not on the governments side? I mean i have seen the stuff the us police and ICE gets, but neither would have the numbers or the tactical knowledge to win from the effing military. If the military would try and overthrow the president, I can't imagine FBI and CIA would try and stop them.
Might turn out like in Turkey though, were nothing really happened except 100,000 people getting convicted of treason or fired from their job.
Legal Eagle laid it out in a recent video. The administration has been blatantly ignoring (I think several at this point) SCOTUS restraining orders. If they continue to disregard the judiciary, I don't think it's all that unlikely that parts of the military arrest Trump and his administration, in what's effectively a military coup. Trump is deeply unpopular among the military top brass, and they tend to still value the constitution. But who knows who will side with whom, the military is by no means a monolith
The majority of the Supreme Court is in Trump’s back pocket, there will be no actions or repercussions.
They also value their paychecks, and have to consider a lot more than just whether or not they dislike him. The first magat that is given an order against trump is likely to shoot them, and will be able to claim he was just following the principle of not following unlawful orders, AND that he was following the law by trying to then place them under arrest, they resisted, and had to be shot in the scuffle.
Military schisms are tough bitches to handle. I'd say that it is extremely unlikely, as in won't happen unless trump decides to go to war with canada and europe and china and russia and india at the same time, that the military does anything.
It's gonna be trump and co in a bunker under the white house and every 2 minutes they are gonna hear an ever increasing boom above their head. The line is gonna be at crater level.
Though that is unrealitic. It will probably take place at mar-a-lago or some golf court.
Like the Troubles but an order of magnitude worse.
Bold of you to assume there will be lines and fronts at all. The closest there will be is shown on the map at the top of this article: https://theconversation.com/americas-counties-are-less-purple-than-they-used-to-be-243543
Lol
Lol no. The only person Trump is for is Trump. No one else comes close.
Peoplewhosaycourtshavenopower says what
Maybe you misunderstood the problem.
This wasn't legislation, this was an implemented order. This isn't the first time it's happened in the administration either.
It restored something taken away. It undermined the sweeping power of the executive. These are narcissists we're dealing with, so this isn't the last we've heard about it.
That's why I keep telling people the courts will use their enforcement mechanism when necessary, or they are complicit in the problem. From what I can tell, enforcement wasn't necessary here, the DoD just didn't want to fuck with the court.
I mean to be fair, one of these planes is much less likely to contain nazis.
Those brown kids getting killed by Trans people must be so happy.
One you have a chance in hell at changing their mind on that topic, and the other will tell you to fuck off or perhaps strap you to one of those bombs. But, sure, protest vote away, I guess. "Both sides" and all that.
Stop supporting baby murderers is the correct opinion.
Nailed it.
Just look at Barrack "Black Drone Operator" Obama, and Joe "Sniff Sniff" Biden who is a blatant Zionist who acted chocked and insulted when he was called a Palestinian (I believe by Trump). Both supporting the violent occupation of Palestine, of course.
huge W
Fuck off. Being trans is not a mental disorder. And stop infantilizing trans people, we can make our own choices about our bodies.
Joining the US military voluntarily is a mental disorder.
Not according to DSM V: "The APA goes on to say that “it is important to note that gender nonconformity is not in itself a mental disorder. The critical element of gender dysphoria is the presence of clinically significant distress associated with the condition.”"
Neither according to ICD-11: "Gender incongruence has been moved out of the “Mental and behavioural disorders” chapter and into the new “Conditions related to sexual health” chapter. This reflects current knowledge that trans-related and gender diverse identities are not conditions of mental ill-health, and that classifying them as such can cause enormous stigma."
Only according to uneducated sad little evolutionary obstacles like yourself. Now get out, touch some grass, read a book and talk to people.
So what if it's a disorder? If it's a disorder that the best treatment for is gender affirming care, then gender affirming care and respecting people's gender is good.
And you know what else irreversibly changes people's bodies? A natural puberty that doesn't align with their gender and causes them dysphoria.
Neither of those are irreversible or mutilation.
Even quite a bit of cis people get hormones in the military.
You mean cis-people also receive gender affirming care? Preposterous! No manly man would ever need to take hormones, their testosterone is so damn high on its own it shapes both bodies and US politics. And all that thanks to this all natural, super-straight, definitely US-made superfood, now for only 16.99$! /s
I worked out for like 3 months and was stronger than my dad who worked out for over a year. He is now on testosterone gel and I'm starting the HRT estrogen process in ~2 months lol
I'd hate to hang out where you normally find this comment acceptable. Fascist fuck.
Wow, removed and banned. Based on the comments this must have been highly inappropriate.
Phobes being phobic, unusual enough not one that had a big history of egregious comments so this was a bit of a drop the mask moment.
Idiot.
I don't know what you said, but it seems like a pretty shitty thing to say given the responses here.
without even knowing what they wrote, hating on it is not cool. you are just saying hivemend is right. it may or may not be. but whatever it was, you saying it is shitty adds nothing
So you think that like 30 people said it was deeply transphobic, but it wasn't? This user's history is full of deleted content. Yet I'm the bad guy for saying what I said, even though I said it in a very hedging way? ...
i did not say you are the bad guy, i am just saying, your comment did not add anything. I can see deleted stuff, and it was pretty bad (lets leave at that). nothing personal or anything like that.
Never said that, i just said you don't know what they wrote (which you admitted to, which is absolutely fine) but then you add that it must be bad, which was already evident. If i point something wrong about your comment does not make anything original deleted content right. you both can be wrong (at least in my opinion) because we are talking about totally orthogonal stuff.
You just admitted I was right. Peace