I mean, I've heard criticisms about literally every form of digital musical storefront.. I don't know what criticism there would be for Bandcamp that Spotify doesn't do worse for musicians. Music availability notwithstanding.
Seriously. They donated millions to the trump campaign and barely pay artists pennies.
The music space is one of the biggest things we're lacking platforms for right now for sure. I've shifted over to Tidal for the time being, but I swear I'm just tempted to go back to local files at this point.
Yep, and I hate that because I want to support the artists and mostly listen to more obscure shit these days. Plus bandcamp is owned by Amazon I believe so even though the artists get more out of it, there's still a Bezos tax.
Then there's figuring out how to stream it remotely while driving or whatever. It's a whole thing.
I do genuinely really like Tidal so far, but I'm not familiar with their company's political stances or anything, and of course it's not FOSS at all. Spotify is dead to me though.
Yeah spotify is fucking vile. I hear my peers praise it for its alleged ability to perfect tailor playlists and recommendations for music discovery- because I guess we can't be bothered to figure out what music we like anymore. And them of course, it behinds spoonfeeding its users their own ai-generated slop that they don't have to pay licensing fees for.
Yeah it makes no sense to me how dumb people can be. Like
"Yeah let's move away from one proprietary social media that got enshitified to another proprietary social media that will definitely enshitify"
I don't know how many times people have to learn the exact same lesson before they finally figure it out but I think there's a fucking quote about that.
My contract with Three/iPhone13 ended in January, that phone was done for (Charging port) but my other half’s 13 was fine. I’ll burn this out and then get a Fairphone and do similar. Don’t get the point in swapping one big tech for another big tech.
To be fair, the people here in Lemmy already know about half of these and are willing to changethe rest. Using reddit to spread the word actually reaches the target audience of this post.
yeah everything you post on Mastodon is public. I assume this is about the data being collected on you, which Mastodon doesn't do, there's no telemetry and such.
People are so dumb for still recommending bluesky it's just leaving one peice of shit for another that will definitely turn into a peice of shit like all proprietary software does
dissatisfied with this formerly-popular social media platform that experienced a hostile fascist takeover and enshittification? Join us on this currently-popular social media platform that will undergo the same event in seven years! Because how are we supposed to make profits by learning from our mistakes?
Blue sky has an algorithm, people really want their algorithms. They don't want to have to go and search out all of the content, they want to be spoon-fed. When Twitter exploded and Mastodon had their API gate, a lot of journalists and celebrities tested out the water on Mastodon but over time they slowly bled over and end up in Bluesky.
I'm not saying that Mastodon can't survive without an algorithm but they don't make any attempt to deliver content to a person that they find relevant. It's all organic discovery and that's very 00's ish.
It seems that it costs more than what I pay for internet access in order to independently communicate with people using Bluesky, so the license used with a git repository doesn't make it much more likely that I'll use it: https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
Bandcamp might have been bought out by Epic Games, but the platform has given me magnitudes more money for my music than every other streaming platform combined.
Any artist I hear online that I like their music, if they dont have a BC page, I suggest they sort one out. What I like about them is that I can stream peoples music via the app but also download it so I actually 'own' the music. I also like buying physical releases from artists through there.
I've not sold music through there so I'm not au fait with their terms but I know its not as terrible as all the streaming sites.
For what it's worth, Epic Games sold Bandcamp to Songtradr in 2023. It's still an American company, and probably isn't meaningfully better than Epic, but at least they haven't totally tanked the platform yet either.
It's non-US. Honestly, I'm not really on the whole non-US bandwagon. It feels kind of xenophobic and a large blast radius. Even for privacy, non-US isn't even enough, it needs to be in specific countries.
The administration is putting tendrils into things, heading toward fascism.
US companies are being forced to bend the knee. Government agencies are sucking up information to be used against people the future or sold at an alarming rate.
If you can find a one to one alternative to a US-based service it's a really good time to head that way. I know I am.
Maybe not that much more than it already was, though. And Lemmy is going so far to boycott Signal which has been the golden standard for privacy up to this point. While many European countries are passing anti-encryption policies, we are boycotting US without any strong arguments.
I've seen as more distrust over matrix/new vector (exposing ID without content) as I have Signal. There's stink around it being an Israeli government run company in a trenchcoat.
I think most of it is as baseless as anything said about signal, but at least they have real incidents that make matrix questionable.
Distrusting services from a country due to their government is not xenophobia.
It's the same as avoiding chinese services because of their national policies.
I'd still happily welcome american and chinese people into my country.
Non-US is a start for now though, because they currently have the most control over the internet.
Plus the US government is currently exceptionally hostile to those who aren't US citizens, so I have little reason to trust that they won't abuse me or my data.
if you check their account you'll see they've actually updated their recommendations to remove several companies (including proton and spotify) which are included in the older version of it posted here.
Yeah, I excitedly checked out the environmental, non-google, private search engine I'd never heard of, only to discover that Ecosia "only" shares all your data with Google and Microsoft Bing, as it uses their search engines and ad services. They do plant trees, but, their website doesn't even pretend to be interested in privacy or avoiding Google.
The presentation of this information feels… curated. It's difficult to dismiss the possibility that it’s been strategically crafted, perhaps as a form of marketing. The echo of Protonmail's previous Mastodon activity – a year of seemingly earnest engagement that ultimately felt rather self-serving – lends a certain cynicism to the matter.
Genuinely not my post. I just shared it from my saved images on my phone. I really don't like the idea of being exploited by tech companies with no regard for their users.
We even have laws that say we can't say we received a request on an individual level not a company level which means we aren't suppose to tell our lawyers.
Replacing Google Drive is the hardest for me. I'm not a fan of the nextcloud bloat, Seafile is hard to setup. Didn't expect this to be the largest struggle of the whole process.
Nice suggestion!! I was fully on board until I realized it's not a self-hosted application :D I have some resources available on a server so I want to look in that direction for a possible solution.
As I understand, an adtech company bought a majority stake in StartPage in 2019, and though they apparently can't use that stake to force privacy-threatening changes, I personally find that acquisition disconcerting. Probably not enough to say it's unsafe to use, but enough that I prefer some of the other options out there.
ACAB: All CEOs Are Bastards. You can switch to another corporation, but their CEO will also be a bourgeois bastard. Tim Apple attended Trump’s inauguration.
Maybe you have other information that I'm not aware of, but this article gives what looks to me a balanced review of whether Andy Yen supports Trump or not:
Finally got rid of Reddit now more on blue sky and Lemmy Yesterday got rid if Wayz (google owned) and doing Organic Maps instead. Not seeing as much advertising is healing and focusing.
Which is why it is important to continue calling them out. The casual privacy enthusiast just regurgitates an infographic or YouTuber. Can’t expect them to be experts, but we can tell them that there is a deeper rabbit hole.
IMO the best choices are Tuta Mail or Proton Mail. Proton has the best UI and UX but is a bit controversial due to its CEO. I personally use Proton because the UI is that much better.
They have a bridge app that lets it work with Thunderbird, though I think you lose some functionality. I did this before they had the desktop app setup
@LavaPlanet@LEONARDE11 I switched a few times. With Tutanota. It's good and does what I need. I like it so much have gone from the free plan to the paid plan. My advice is if you're not sure, just switch.
Honestly out of all those switches email is the one I've always struggled with. I feel like that one would take a ton of effort to switch over my accounts on various things to a new email. If anyone has any advice or ways to make that easier I'd love that as otherwise I'm still stuck with Gmail.
My main suggestion is to start, and to start earlier rather than later. If you have an email account you don't like, every time you express that it's associated with you means you'll have to make one more update in order to completely switch.
I decided to switch around Black Friday when there was a discount for a paid subscription, and then to try to avoid using my old email account unless I saw a website reference it (like if I had to log in or specifically check for an email).
I feel a lot more comfortable using email than I used to (although I still try to avoid using it), so switching has improved my quality of life overall.
I got my own domain. It's still a ton of work because you have to switch everything, but once you've done this you will be independent: if you dislike your current provider you can make a copy, switch providers and every account keeps working.
Now my old Gmail accounts redirect everything to my new email and this way I can switch whatever I forgot.
Signal is centralised and may just be the next WhatsApp. Does anyone have experience with matrix? Could it be a decent alternative to WhatsApp or signal?
Matrix is alright with clients like Element (X) and Cinny. But for me it's rather a (still somewhat lacking) Discord replacement. Maybe at some point with better clients this improves. The protocol already allows for a lot of stuff but most clients don't implement most functionality (yet).
Spotify is pretty fucking bad too. They don't get a pass for not being Google.
Yeah that rec shocked me. Bandcamp surely if possible is best for the artist.
I have heard about certain creators disliking Bandcamp and wanting to not use it anymore, but I don't know why that is.
I mean, I've heard criticisms about literally every form of digital musical storefront.. I don't know what criticism there would be for Bandcamp that Spotify doesn't do worse for musicians. Music availability notwithstanding.
On Wikipedia it says Epic Games bought them in 2022, then in 2023 Songtradr bought Bandcamp off Epic. Songtradr then fired half of Bandcamp staff.
Eh.. they're still doing Bandcamp Fridays this year where they take no commission. I just had a look and this year it's:
May 2nd
August 1st
September 5th
October 3rd
December 5th
Seriously. They donated millions to the trump campaign and barely pay artists pennies.
The music space is one of the biggest things we're lacking platforms for right now for sure. I've shifted over to Tidal for the time being, but I swear I'm just tempted to go back to local files at this point.
NewPipe works if you're desperate
I'm slowly moving back to local files. Though that gets expensive very quickly so you know what that means.
Yep, and I hate that because I want to support the artists and mostly listen to more obscure shit these days. Plus bandcamp is owned by Amazon I believe so even though the artists get more out of it, there's still a Bezos tax.
Then there's figuring out how to stream it remotely while driving or whatever. It's a whole thing.
I do genuinely really like Tidal so far, but I'm not familiar with their company's political stances or anything, and of course it's not FOSS at all. Spotify is dead to me though.
Lucida.to
Spotube is decent for playing Spotify playlists you come across or people send you
I quit Tidal after they dropped the Plex integration
Yeah spotify is fucking vile. I hear my peers praise it for its alleged ability to perfect tailor playlists and recommendations for music discovery- because I guess we can't be bothered to figure out what music we like anymore. And them of course, it behinds spoonfeeding its users their own ai-generated slop that they don't have to pay licensing fees for.
Footnotes
r/TalesFromYourServer: Kicking a Nazi out as soon as they walk in ↩
Yeah it makes no sense to me how dumb people can be. Like
"Yeah let's move away from one proprietary social media that got enshitified to another proprietary social media that will definitely enshitify"
I don't know how many times people have to learn the exact same lesson before they finally figure it out but I think there's a fucking quote about that.
If it hasn't already, moving from corporate owner to corporate owner will become some sort of ritual, a modern form of tradition.
My brother in law …moved from Apple to Google cause he decided he hated Apple.
That's a first step. He'll soon hate Google and move to GrapheneOS and start self-hosting. No, wait, that was me. Never mind.
My contract with Three/iPhone13 ended in January, that phone was done for (Charging port) but my other half’s 13 was fine. I’ll burn this out and then get a Fairphone and do similar. Don’t get the point in swapping one big tech for another big tech.
To be fair, the people here in Lemmy already know about half of these and are willing to changethe rest. Using reddit to spread the word actually reaches the target audience of this post.
same
Mastodon is tagged with Privacy but Signal isn't? I wonder what privacy means to OOP
When you implement OOP the right way, it can have decent privacy. Up to the coder, really.
Encapsulation == Privacy
yeah everything you post on Mastodon is public. I assume this is about the data being collected on you, which Mastodon doesn't do, there's no telemetry and such.
But lemmy isn't marked as private there. Wouldn't it be the same as mastodon?
People are so dumb for still recommending bluesky it's just leaving one peice of shit for another that will definitely turn into a peice of shit like all proprietary software does
Blue sky has an algorithm, people really want their algorithms. They don't want to have to go and search out all of the content, they want to be spoon-fed. When Twitter exploded and Mastodon had their API gate, a lot of journalists and celebrities tested out the water on Mastodon but over time they slowly bled over and end up in Bluesky.
I'm not saying that Mastodon can't survive without an algorithm but they don't make any attempt to deliver content to a person that they find relevant. It's all organic discovery and that's very 00's ish.
But, all the liberals are there now, so it must be great! /s
BlueSky is open source.
It seems that it costs more than what I pay for internet access in order to independently communicate with people using Bluesky, so the license used with a git repository doesn't make it much more likely that I'll use it: https://dustycloud.org/blog/how-decentralized-is-bluesky/
Moving from YouTube Music to Spotify?
Spotify has been fucking over artists for years
Bandcamp might have been bought out by Epic Games, but the platform has given me magnitudes more money for my music than every other streaming platform combined.
Any artist I hear online that I like their music, if they dont have a BC page, I suggest they sort one out. What I like about them is that I can stream peoples music via the app but also download it so I actually 'own' the music. I also like buying physical releases from artists through there.
I've not sold music through there so I'm not au fait with their terms but I know its not as terrible as all the streaming sites.
For what it's worth, Epic Games sold Bandcamp to Songtradr in 2023. It's still an American company, and probably isn't meaningfully better than Epic, but at least they haven't totally tanked the platform yet either.
Imo yt-dlp and self-host that stuff while you're still can.
DLP can pull audio tracks and drop you mp3s as well.
any clients for ios?
Yeah, I had to check the decision making process there, it's just that it's not American.
Might as well go to Deezer.
It's non-US. Honestly, I'm not really on the whole non-US bandwagon. It feels kind of xenophobic and a large blast radius. Even for privacy, non-US isn't even enough, it needs to be in specific countries.
U.S. citizen here
The administration is putting tendrils into things, heading toward fascism.
US companies are being forced to bend the knee. Government agencies are sucking up information to be used against people the future or sold at an alarming rate.
If you can find a one to one alternative to a US-based service it's a really good time to head that way. I know I am.
Maybe not that much more than it already was, though. And Lemmy is going so far to boycott Signal which has been the golden standard for privacy up to this point. While many European countries are passing anti-encryption policies, we are boycotting US without any strong arguments.
Who is boycotting signal?
People have been pushing Matrix and Element over Signal.
I've seen as more distrust over matrix/new vector (exposing ID without content) as I have Signal. There's stink around it being an Israeli government run company in a trenchcoat.
I think most of it is as baseless as anything said about signal, but at least they have real incidents that make matrix questionable.
Agreed. I think it's important to differentiate American organizations that are and are not part of the problem.
Distrusting services from a country due to their government is not xenophobia.
It's the same as avoiding chinese services because of their national policies.
I'd still happily welcome american and chinese people into my country.
Non-US is a start for now though, because they currently have the most control over the internet.
Plus the US government is currently exceptionally hostile to those who aren't US citizens, so I have little reason to trust that they won't abuse me or my data.
i figured this was likely astroturfing by one of the many shitty companies it is advertising, so i went looking for the source. somewhat to my surprise this image was apparently created by reddit user u/theFallenWalnut who's actually been posting there for over 10 years 🤔
if you check their account you'll see they've actually updated their recommendations to remove several companies (including proton and spotify) which are included in the older version of it posted here.
but, they're still suggesting lots of garbage.
see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethical_consumerism#Criticism
Wikipedia sucks
Yeah, I excitedly checked out the environmental, non-google, private search engine I'd never heard of, only to discover that Ecosia "only" shares all your data with Google and Microsoft Bing, as it uses their search engines and ad services. They do plant trees, but, their website doesn't even pretend to be interested in privacy or avoiding Google.
No idea what that walnut is smoking.
Windows, MacOS -> Linux
The presentation of this information feels… curated. It's difficult to dismiss the possibility that it’s been strategically crafted, perhaps as a form of marketing. The echo of Protonmail's previous Mastodon activity – a year of seemingly earnest engagement that ultimately felt rather self-serving – lends a certain cynicism to the matter.
Genuinely not my post. I just shared it from my saved images on my phone. I really don't like the idea of being exploited by tech companies with no regard for their users.
Yes we do.
We even have laws that say we can't say we received a request on an individual level not a company level which means we aren't suppose to tell our lawyers.
Replacing Google Drive is the hardest for me. I'm not a fan of the nextcloud bloat, Seafile is hard to setup. Didn't expect this to be the largest struggle of the whole process.
Proton drive?
Not a fan of Proton's CEO. (link)
Once proton integrates an office suite I'll be all set. (It's in the road map. When? Who knows?)
I’ve recently found Filen and it seems to be working well.
Nice suggestion!! I was fully on board until I realized it's not a self-hosted application :D I have some resources available on a server so I want to look in that direction for a possible solution.
Oh, right! Have you looked into Owncloud, the parent of Nextcloud that claims to be free of the bloat of its child?
No I haven't. I ran it a long long time ago, haven't kept up with the project since nextCloud. Worth a look, thanks!
I used nextcloud for a while but ended up with a combo of syncthing and filebrowser to similar effect
Nice tip, I'll look into that!
I'm considering kdrive based on prices.
I don't know why Deezer isn't mentioned as a music streaming service. It's quite nice.
I also recommended LibreWolf as a browser: ![email protected], as well as IronFox
As I understand, an adtech company bought a majority stake in StartPage in 2019, and though they apparently can't use that stake to force privacy-threatening changes, I personally find that acquisition disconcerting. Probably not enough to say it's unsafe to use, but enough that I prefer some of the other options out there.
am I being too grumpy?
It doesn't recommend using reddit. It recommends moving from reddit to lemmy.
Yeah, only to say "follow me on reddit" at the end.
There's errors on the new one too but the one you're looking at is slightly old
https://bsky.app/profile/purchase-w-purpose.bsky.social/post/3ll2ak7nr722x
For email, have a look at www.posteo.de.
proton ceo supports trump
ACAB: All CEOs Are Bastards. You can switch to another corporation, but their CEO will also be a bourgeois bastard. Tim Apple attended Trump’s inauguration.
If we're judging all products by the personalities of people who run them we'd have nothing left lol
? what
Maybe you have other information that I'm not aware of, but this article gives what looks to me a balanced review of whether Andy Yen supports Trump or not:
https://medium.com/@ovenplayer/does-proton-really-support-trump-a-deeper-analysis-and-surprising-findings-aed4fee4305e
It's not a cut and dry pro-MAGA situation.
thanks for the random medium from someone unknown I guess?
Duck duck go is bing on the back end
And so are the rest of them.¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Not brave search
Well ok, not so much anymore but point sorta stands
Wait....what....????!!! There's paid browser out there ???
Orion Browser is paid.
I'm confused, I use Orion all the time on both iPhone and Mac and have never paid.
Ahh you're right, I take it back, Orion is free, Orion+ is paid if you want to support the mission.
I mostly agree with the list, but given Spotify platforms Joe Rogan and pays artists less than Apple Music, for music streaming I went the other way.
Looking forward to Bandwagon catching on, and help recording artists cut the middle men out
Finally got rid of Reddit now more on blue sky and Lemmy Yesterday got rid if Wayz (google owned) and doing Organic Maps instead. Not seeing as much advertising is healing and focusing.
Why no Libby. At least for the US.
Caveat emptor buying music from Qobuz, always try bandcamp first.
Signal is too pedestrian. Without decentralization, your chat isn’t private enough as you don’t control the meta or the servers.
There are many ways to make things resilient. Centralizing isn’t one of them.
Which is why it is important to continue calling them out. The casual privacy enthusiast just regurgitates an infographic or YouTuber. Can’t expect them to be experts, but we can tell them that there is a deeper rabbit hole.
What's the best email to use? Anyone have suggestions? usability? I haven't changed because I just end up with decision overload / paralysis.
IMO the best choices are Tuta Mail or Proton Mail. Proton has the best UI and UX but is a bit controversial due to its CEO. I personally use Proton because the UI is that much better.
But you have to use their app, right? You can't just use thunderbird or whatever
They have a bridge app that lets it work with Thunderbird, though I think you lose some functionality. I did this before they had the desktop app setup
@LavaPlanet @LEONARDE11 I switched a few times. With Tutanota. It's good and does what I need. I like it so much have gone from the free plan to the paid plan. My advice is if you're not sure, just switch.
Honestly out of all those switches email is the one I've always struggled with. I feel like that one would take a ton of effort to switch over my accounts on various things to a new email. If anyone has any advice or ways to make that easier I'd love that as otherwise I'm still stuck with Gmail.
My main suggestion is to start, and to start earlier rather than later. If you have an email account you don't like, every time you express that it's associated with you means you'll have to make one more update in order to completely switch.
I decided to switch around Black Friday when there was a discount for a paid subscription, and then to try to avoid using my old email account unless I saw a website reference it (like if I had to log in or specifically check for an email).
I feel a lot more comfortable using email than I used to (although I still try to avoid using it), so switching has improved my quality of life overall.
I got my own domain. It's still a ton of work because you have to switch everything, but once you've done this you will be independent: if you dislike your current provider you can make a copy, switch providers and every account keeps working.
Now my old Gmail accounts redirect everything to my new email and this way I can switch whatever I forgot.
Protonmail has a free plan though.
Signal is centralised and may just be the next WhatsApp. Does anyone have experience with matrix? Could it be a decent alternative to WhatsApp or signal?
Matrix is alright with clients like Element (X) and Cinny. But for me it's rather a (still somewhat lacking) Discord replacement. Maybe at some point with better clients this improves. The protocol already allows for a lot of stuff but most clients don't implement most functionality (yet).
What program or blueprint are people using for this? Looks really nice, clean and simple
What’s wrong with Safari?
I thought WebKit was open source?
Apple Music is also there, so I assume it is because Safari is Apple’s browser.
What is that bad?
Considering the current political climate, I think it is on the graphic because it is an American corporation like Google.
They themselves arent using the alternatives come join us at reddit lmao
Lost me at signal