No, you love the creators you watch.
Youtube, as a google company, created a businessmodel out of stealing data/private information and selling it to the highest bidder.
I use newpipe, i never see ads but if i have a creator i want to support i send them money as direct as possible without middlemen (direct donations during livestreams for example).
i pay the creator for their work.
If google wouldn't violate my human dignity by shoving a camera up my ass 24/7 i might consider giving them money to run their servers but as long as they try to make me a product they won't see money nor data from me
That's a fair point, maybe I should look into using newpipe and use what was my monthly payment as a direct donation to my favorite creators instead. Thanks for the informative reply!
But to be fair, if YouTube themselves don't make anything then the service that hosts my content creators isn't sustainable. So just getting premium feels like the most moral option all things considered, at least for me.
yeah except idc, google can go fuck themselves. if yt dies, there are other platforms, such as peer tube. not as big, but if yt goes to shit, that where the creators will most likely go
Youtube is part of a larger company that makes money in various ways and does profit a lot despite the high costs of youtube. Its existence serves a purpose to google, otherwise they would have already extinguished it or changed the way it operates. To see if its sustainable or not you need to look broadly into the system in which youtube is inserted.
And Youtube makes that possible. Show me another service that is as good as Youtube is? Unlimited uploads for everyone, extremely fast constant delivery network. Require no logins or accounts to access the site. 4K video etc.. etc.. All for the low price of free with ads, or pay for no adds.
They every are even one of the best at paying content creators. There is a reason almost every content creator ends up having some kind of account on Youtube.
Youtube, as a google company, created a businessmodel out of stealing data/private information and selling it to the highest bidder.
I don't believe Google is in the business of selling data. There business is ad delivery. They keep the data to themselves as it is their secret sauce to deliver ads.
They keep the data to themselves as it is their secret sauce to deliver ads.
I don't think that's entirely true. They won't sell direct data, but through their ad and search systems your ads can drill down to very specific people and thus you know about them. It's still crappy. It's kinda unfair I think to outright say they don't sell your data. You data is their core money maker. It's just in a round about way. Sure maybe it doesn't bother you, but in my opinion, the collection of data is the core problem with modern technology, not even just the internet. Data is extremely powerful and valuable.
I don’t think that’s entirely true. They won’t sell direct data, but through their ad and search systems your ads can drill down to very specific people and thus you know about them.
Sure you can drill down to specific characteristics of people but as far as I am aware it is Google that actually handles the interactions/delivers the information. So I am not really sure what information a third party could gather about a specific person.
But yeah I totally agree data collection is a huge problem basically every tech company is doing it. One of the reason why I try and self host as much as possible. To truly solve the problem we need better privacy laws in place.
If money could stop things from enshitifying, there would be very few shitty things on the planet.
If everybody on the planet subscribed to YouTube premium they would still become enshittified.
Even with 8 billion monthly subscriptions at $10 a month or more, Google would raise the prices and provide less service.
They would do whatever they have to do whatever they can do to extract the most amount of money they possibly can out of the product.
This is not just because Google is a shit company, this is because greed knows no bounds. The only way for a company to stop being enshitified is for the company from the top down to be radically opposed to enshittification.
And, not open source, but if you want to support the creators (and artists) you like, buy merch. YouTube doesn't get a cut of the merch sales to my knowledge.
YouTube, removes downvote count, and implements shitty start up noise that I can't disable, and raises price. Then wonders why I don't want to pay for that shit.
90% of my usage is on Mobile and through my Roku TV which both use specific apps to view YouTube. That's my problem.
I can use revanced to change the app on my phone, or download another app like NewPipe and that would work for a bit. But the hoops I'm referring to are when the apps get banned and need to be updated to work again, AND the hoops I feel I'd need to go to for an ad blocker at the router level so my Roku TV won't show ads through YouTube. (Though I should probably look into that anyway to get rid of ads on my TVs home screen).
It just feels like a hassle to me, and I'm paying $8/mo as a student anyway so it's pretty cheap too.
On your tv. Go to settings, apps, see all apps, android tv home, then uninstall updates. Go to Google play store, your username icon, settings and disable auto-update apps. It'll remove the crap at the top.
To remove specific things from the home screen, scroll down to the one you want to remove. Then hit the little circled minus button.
You can also install custom launchers if you really wanted to.
If you care, you can also "uninstall" uninstallable apps with adb. And there's a program called adb app control(I think that's the name) that'll let you easily remove them. They also have an called adb tv: app manager on the playstore. You need to enable adb debugging. But the app tells you what to do. Just don't uninstall anything you don't recognise. There'll be a lot of things that are really important.
As a signing off gift, smarttube is like revamced but for your tv. Find their github, download it, put it on your tv, either woth a USB or I use an app called send files to tv.
Thanks for the guide, but these are exactly the type of hoops I was talking about needing to jump through. Still, if and when I get a Google smart TV maybe I'll do this but I have a Roku.
I'm still annoyed at the removal of google play music. I want to just buy tracks or albums, instead of a subscription, and just own a flac/mp3/music file I can do anything with.
I rip cds now, and feel 0 guilt for that even though its illegal here because quite frankly the artists are getting more money this way.
Depending on where you live, you could buy music (both individual tracks and albums) from 7Digital. It's only a website so no need to even install an app. And in case some track/album isn't available, you could use a VPN to buy it.
Whoosh moment... but I see what you did there - and I for one, like it!:-P
Though tbf, I must be insane, b/c I legit just watch the ads. Okay so not watch watch them, or listen either tbh, but let them play out I mean... I watch fewer than one YT video per day, most often per week even, or sometimes per month, so that is just easier for me than anything else, and it feels good to know that I am supporting the content creators that way, which iirc YT does at least a halfway decent job of? (or I could be misremembering that, but I thought like not the best yet not the worst either, more solidly in the middle, median-wise if not average?) Like, it is literally the least I can offer:-D.
Unless I want to listen to music, in which case I just turn on blocking of the ads - I guess I am not all that perfect (or bat-shit insane - ain't nobody got time for dat!):-P.
I just think I'm irritated with watching ads enough to pay to not need to. I also think I watch multiple YouTube videos nearly everyday, so I just consider it paying $0.05 to skip the ad automatically and still support the company and creators both.
Enshittification is not a thing that will be slowed if only we just pay Google more. It's a well-honed business strategy. Nobody in their right mind would stop their plans just because people start paying them more, voluntarily.
ublock origin on my PC works amazing. I forget yt has ads most of the time. If web drm becomes a thing I'll hopefully have a pinhole in front of my traffic by then
Not sure if you meant pihole or not, but if you did, I thought I'd just mention that a pihole doesn't remove ads on YouTube due to the fact that the ads and the videos are served from the same server. You block the ads, you block the videos. Made me quite sad after I set my one up.
Unless you didn't mean pihole, in which case do enlighten me as to what a pinhole is :))
Yeah, I was super gutted when I found out. Apparently it did use to work in the past when they used to serve the ads from different servers, but not any more, unfortunately. It's not completely pointless to install, though. It provides some great software out the box to monitor internet traffic on your network, and I'm pretty sure that in some cases it can speed up your internet by acting as a self-hosted DNS server.
The reason UBlock works, is because it has direct access to the HTML, CSS and JavaScript sent to you. It can alter the web page directly. UBlock scans all the web pages you load, and automatically removes anything it recognizes as an ad. There's a lot more to it than just that, and it's a really clever tool, but essentially what it does is directly alter the code of the web page. Unfortunately, this isn't really possible to do from another device on your network. I did look into somehow setting up a device which scans all incoming traffic like Ublock does, and then removes adverts similarly, but this isn't really possible since HTTPS traffic is encrypted. Any attempt at removing the encryption would likely result in a heap of issues to using various services, and you'll likely get constant warnings on your browser about a page being insecure e.t.c.
Lmao Google won't see your money... except when you give them hundreds for their flagship phone which will collect every last bit of data from you that it can.
My brother/sister in christ, please put GrapheneOS or an equivalent on that phone when you get it lol
I'm using NewPipe now after Vanced finally quit working for me about a month ago and it's great and sooo lightweight but I'm definitely missing some features from vanced. However, I'd rather kill myself than pay for YouTube premium and NewPipe is free so this is not me complaining.
I'm using InnerTune, another FOSS option, in place of Vanced music and again, works great just missing some features.
I had the same issue until I discovered ReVanced. It's literally the same old app but updated. I also have newpipe which I typically use for specific things.. Or if I don't want to receive video recommendations for a certain video
Yep, same here. IIRC it fails because it's expecting me to enter a custom package name, but then there's no field at all to enter a package name. I've gone thru the settings multiple times and couldn't find that option so I too gave up.
Anyways, NewPipe works well enough for me, and if there's some issue I could always load it in a browser.
This isn't me trying to sound like a dick. But did you enable the option for it to rename itself? I can't remember where it is, but it's something along those lines.
It's kinda weird how they track you so much, yet they can't even get their shit together to make recovering your account easier.
They're option if you can't get any access codes at all? Delete your account.
So they're basically saying "yeah we really care that no one else should be allowed access to your account. Not even you if you fuck up. But, we thank you for building an amazing portfolio of your digital profile. Now fuck off."
If anyone has an issue where you genuinely can't get into your account. If you have an android tv with the Google account linked, or, and I'm assuming it works as well, an android tv box, go to the built in Web browser. It'll let you sign into your Google account where you can disable all 2fa.
I got caught out by this, and because I used my Gmail as my Samsung account, I was also locked out of my Samsung account.
And a little tip to Google. If you're going to forcefully collect all of this:
Then let us at least fucking use it to sign into our accounts.
Actually, I said "recovering" which is false. Google doesn't let you recover.
VPN to Argentina.
Use incognito browser.
Sign in to YouTube.
Sign up for premium.
When asked for an address use Google maps and pick a random residential address in Argentina.
I pay for premium because YouTube does video delivery better than anyone else in the world, and it's not free for them to provide. Lots of things to hate about YouTube/Alphabet, but theft is a corrupt way of expressing discontentment.
Also, if I pay for premium, then content creators get paid, and I don't have to shell out for merch to not feel like a terrible person.
I imagine if it doesn't make sense to you already, I won't be able to help you understand, but here goes anyway.
A company pays a lot of money to have a service developed and hosted, then offers a paid teir, and an ad supported teir. If you neither pay, nor watch ads, yet still use the service, then the company is incurring fees due to your usage while receiving no revenue for providing the service.
Like, YouTube videos are great. Practically a utility at this point. However YouTube, the platform, is a company not a charity; if you cost them money, while providing $0 revenue, you're stealing their money.
Personally I don't think theft is justified outside extreme desparation (stealing food, basically), and given that YouTube gives you an option that does not require giving them money I find it hard to justify stealing bandwidth.
If YouTube started banning Adblockers they'd end up with really bad PR and an arms race, neither of which would sound terribly appealing (although I predict this is a policy change in the works already).
The problem with account bans is that, unlike steam accounts, YouTube accounts have no value associated with them. You ban one and another one pops up.
If I went to the drive through, and they handed me a coffee and said "that'll be $3. Would you like to pay with cash? or points?" And I just drove off, they wouldn't chase me over it, but it is absolutely still theft.
Listen, if you want to pirate content, go ahead, I can't stop you, and it's not like I haven't done it myself, but don't lie to yourself.
You skipped the part where, upon purchasing YouTube, Google used their infinitely deep pockets to deliberately run all other video hosting services, and there were several, out of business and create a monopoly. I'm not going to question my morals over blocking ads from a company that itself is morally bankrupt.
The user should always be in control of the 1s and 0s entering their computer. Allowing some data and not allowing others is not theft. It's not all-or-nothing for which data Google sends me and recieves from me, that's absurd.
This abstraction doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Of course you're in charge of your computer, but just because you're free to choose a certain option, doesn't make it moral, or legal. Using a companys service and making a special effort to withhold payment then saying "it's not theft, they're totally cool with it" is absurd. Why would they be cool with that?
I don't care of they're cool with it, I'll use my computer how I want to. Google makes hundreds of billions in annual revenue, it's hard to feel bad for them. Calling that theft is a massive stretch, they are not losing anything except for potential profit, you could argue bandwidth but that is so intangible compared to any kind of physical theft.
Keep in mind with adblocking we're dealing with fractions of a penny per video and Google is still making money off me regardless. I directly support creators I like, sending them $10 is an order of magnitude more money than they would get over a lifetime of me watching ads.
you could argue bandwidth but that is so intangible compared to any kind of physical theft.
Have you ever paid hosting fees? Digital != Intangible.
Its up to you to decide what kinds of theft you're ok with. I definitely pirate things, but I don't lie about it and say it's not theft. I just accept that sometimes I'm the bad guy.
I hate Ggle as a corporation, but LOVE YouTube. With that being said, FreeTube, NewPipe, and InnerTunes will be used by me until YouTube/Ggle goes bankrupt. After they replaced G**gle Play Music with YouTube music I want them to burn a fiery death.
True. Google has good regional prices and pays creators more than some other streaming services. By not blocking ads I support both platform and creators. Furthermore, creators in my country get more money from premium viewers than from ads.
It's like saying AAA games should probably be way more than $60. Despite the fact they used to be $40... then $50... and more expensive carts have ALWAYS been around since the SNES? and definitely N64 days lol.
I would gladly pay twice the current price of premium if they stopped tracking me and open-sourced their code. Do they expect me to pay for a worse experience than the free alternative?
I would gladly pay twice the current price of premium if they stopped tracking me and open-sourced their code. Do they expect me to pay for a worse experience than the free alternative?
If I did that I would just create another Google account specifically for YouTube so I don't risk my main account. But then my main account has so many subscriptions and so much watch history that would also be a significant dislike for me.
No, you love the creators you watch. Youtube, as a google company, created a businessmodel out of stealing data/private information and selling it to the highest bidder. I use newpipe, i never see ads but if i have a creator i want to support i send them money as direct as possible without middlemen (direct donations during livestreams for example). i pay the creator for their work. If google wouldn't violate my human dignity by shoving a camera up my ass 24/7 i might consider giving them money to run their servers but as long as they try to make me a product they won't see money nor data from me
That's a fair point, maybe I should look into using newpipe and use what was my monthly payment as a direct donation to my favorite creators instead. Thanks for the informative reply!
yeah I would say block ads, and then whatever u would normally spend on premium, donate to your favorite creators
the creatora only get 55% (which isn't bad all things considered) of the ad/premium revenue. by donating directly u spend the same but they get more
But to be fair, if YouTube themselves don't make anything then the service that hosts my content creators isn't sustainable. So just getting premium feels like the most moral option all things considered, at least for me.
yeah except idc, google can go fuck themselves. if yt dies, there are other platforms, such as peer tube. not as big, but if yt goes to shit, that where the creators will most likely go
Youtube is part of a larger company that makes money in various ways and does profit a lot despite the high costs of youtube. Its existence serves a purpose to google, otherwise they would have already extinguished it or changed the way it operates. To see if its sustainable or not you need to look broadly into the system in which youtube is inserted.
If they have a patreon, that would be the best way short of putting the money directly in their hands.
And Youtube makes that possible. Show me another service that is as good as Youtube is? Unlimited uploads for everyone, extremely fast constant delivery network. Require no logins or accounts to access the site. 4K video etc.. etc.. All for the low price of free with ads, or pay for no adds. They every are even one of the best at paying content creators. There is a reason almost every content creator ends up having some kind of account on Youtube.
I don't believe Google is in the business of selling data. There business is ad delivery. They keep the data to themselves as it is their secret sauce to deliver ads.
I don't think that's entirely true. They won't sell direct data, but through their ad and search systems your ads can drill down to very specific people and thus you know about them. It's still crappy. It's kinda unfair I think to outright say they don't sell your data. You data is their core money maker. It's just in a round about way. Sure maybe it doesn't bother you, but in my opinion, the collection of data is the core problem with modern technology, not even just the internet. Data is extremely powerful and valuable.
Sure you can drill down to specific characteristics of people but as far as I am aware it is Google that actually handles the interactions/delivers the information. So I am not really sure what information a third party could gather about a specific person.
But yeah I totally agree data collection is a huge problem basically every tech company is doing it. One of the reason why I try and self host as much as possible. To truly solve the problem we need better privacy laws in place.
If money could stop things from enshitifying, there would be very few shitty things on the planet.
If everybody on the planet subscribed to YouTube premium they would still become enshittified.
Even with 8 billion monthly subscriptions at $10 a month or more, Google would raise the prices and provide less service.
They would do whatever they have to do whatever they can do to extract the most amount of money they possibly can out of the product.
This is not just because Google is a shit company, this is because greed knows no bounds. The only way for a company to stop being enshitified is for the company from the top down to be radically opposed to enshittification.
Only a good King can stop enshittification.
There are no good Kings in Google.
I know. Late stage capitalism is much more of a negative than a positive.
But I did say slow enshitification. Slow =/= Stop.
Enshitification:
Agree but wanted to add: this is nothing new. this formula/path is literally (in the sense of the word) bog standard capitalism.
Sorry, but I'll pay for it when they stop spying on everything I do. And worse, is that they make it intentionally bad when you turn off suggestions.
Fuck google and the horse it rode in on. Never paying them a single red cent. They already make bank selling my data.
Fuck em with a cactus.
Let me just share a few FOSS apps that are arguably better than their official google counterparts.
For YouTube: Libretube, NewPipe
For YouTube Music: InnerTune, ViMusic
And, not open source, but if you want to support the creators (and artists) you like, buy merch. YouTube doesn't get a cut of the merch sales to my knowledge.
YouTube, removes downvote count, and implements shitty start up noise that I can't disable, and raises price. Then wonders why I don't want to pay for that shit.
and the shorts start up page pops up as soon as you open yt , to push you into the mindless scrolling
A certain rebrand of vanced is super helpful as it gives you the option to hide shorts.
Yea, just install an extension, it's like four clicks
Really, every youtuber complains that ad revenue isn't great. If you want to support a content creator, drop a few coins their way
If you give them a dollar that's probably more than they would make from your ad revenue in like 2 years
I don't get a single ad when I browse YouTube via Opera, both on android and desktop. No addons needed.
Opera is chromium-based so I'm not sure how the new google direction will affect them
90% of my usage is on Mobile and through my Roku TV which both use specific apps to view YouTube. That's my problem.
I can use revanced to change the app on my phone, or download another app like NewPipe and that would work for a bit. But the hoops I'm referring to are when the apps get banned and need to be updated to work again, AND the hoops I feel I'd need to go to for an ad blocker at the router level so my Roku TV won't show ads through YouTube. (Though I should probably look into that anyway to get rid of ads on my TVs home screen).
It just feels like a hassle to me, and I'm paying $8/mo as a student anyway so it's pretty cheap too.
What you need Google to spoon feed you and wipe your ass too?
"Okay Google, initiate ass wiping"
Then we'd truly be living like Kings.
True, that process should be automated as priority 1. Training AI with asshole shapes.
Dayum. Rectum!
On your tv. Go to settings, apps, see all apps, android tv home, then uninstall updates. Go to Google play store, your username icon, settings and disable auto-update apps. It'll remove the crap at the top.
To remove specific things from the home screen, scroll down to the one you want to remove. Then hit the little circled minus button.
You can also install custom launchers if you really wanted to.
If you care, you can also "uninstall" uninstallable apps with adb. And there's a program called adb app control(I think that's the name) that'll let you easily remove them. They also have an called adb tv: app manager on the playstore. You need to enable adb debugging. But the app tells you what to do. Just don't uninstall anything you don't recognise. There'll be a lot of things that are really important.
As a signing off gift, smarttube is like revamced but for your tv. Find their github, download it, put it on your tv, either woth a USB or I use an app called send files to tv.
Thanks for the guide, but these are exactly the type of hoops I was talking about needing to jump through. Still, if and when I get a Google smart TV maybe I'll do this but I have a Roku.
Ah, yeah, I know nothing about Roku. Other than it's highly customised android and can't be used to install apks
I'm still annoyed at the removal of google play music. I want to just buy tracks or albums, instead of a subscription, and just own a flac/mp3/music file I can do anything with.
I rip cds now, and feel 0 guilt for that even though its illegal here because quite frankly the artists are getting more money this way.
What country do you live in? Curious to know which country wouldn't ripping cds
UK, they ruled it was legal then later ruled that it wasn't.
Ruling from 2015
I used https://bandcamp.com/ a couple of times. You can buy albums and get a link to download mp3 files.
Depending on where you live, you could buy music (both individual tracks and albums) from 7Digital. It's only a website so no need to even install an app. And in case some track/album isn't available, you could use a VPN to buy it.
Check out soulseek.
sounds like propaganda
Is this a cross between a wallaby and a koala?
At least he didn't say viola.
It's spelled wololo dumbass #voila
You could say I'm a master...
The number within your circle has an absolute value of |2|, and |2| is a positive number! 😎
Bullshit! THIS says otherwise
Whoosh moment... but I see what you did there - and I for one, like it!:-P
Though tbf, I must be insane, b/c I legit just watch the ads. Okay so not watch watch them, or listen either tbh, but let them play out I mean... I watch fewer than one YT video per day, most often per week even, or sometimes per month, so that is just easier for me than anything else, and it feels good to know that I am supporting the content creators that way, which iirc YT does at least a halfway decent job of? (or I could be misremembering that, but I thought like not the best yet not the worst either, more solidly in the middle, median-wise if not average?) Like, it is literally the least I can offer:-D.
Unless I want to listen to music, in which case I just turn on blocking of the ads - I guess I am not all that perfect (or bat-shit insane - ain't nobody got time for dat!):-P.
I just think I'm irritated with watching ads enough to pay to not need to. I also think I watch multiple YouTube videos nearly everyday, so I just consider it paying $0.05 to skip the ad automatically and still support the company and creators both.
It is a nice perspective, thanks for sharing it!:-)
Enshittification is not a thing that will be slowed if only we just pay Google more. It's a well-honed business strategy. Nobody in their right mind would stop their plans just because people start paying them more, voluntarily.
ReVanced is the way.
ReVanced resurrected Sync for Reddit for me, maybe I should check out what ReVanced does for YouTube.
Revanced YTmusic > Spotify premium.
ReVanced gang checking in
ReVanced FTW
ublock origin on my PC works amazing. I forget yt has ads most of the time. If web drm becomes a thing I'll hopefully have a pinhole in front of my traffic by then
Not sure if you meant pihole or not, but if you did, I thought I'd just mention that a pihole doesn't remove ads on YouTube due to the fact that the ads and the videos are served from the same server. You block the ads, you block the videos. Made me quite sad after I set my one up.
Unless you didn't mean pihole, in which case do enlighten me as to what a pinhole is :))
I meant pihole stupid autocorrect. That's sad to hear... I wonder how ublock works cause yt never shows ads for me but videos work great
Yeah, I was super gutted when I found out. Apparently it did use to work in the past when they used to serve the ads from different servers, but not any more, unfortunately. It's not completely pointless to install, though. It provides some great software out the box to monitor internet traffic on your network, and I'm pretty sure that in some cases it can speed up your internet by acting as a self-hosted DNS server.
The reason UBlock works, is because it has direct access to the HTML, CSS and JavaScript sent to you. It can alter the web page directly. UBlock scans all the web pages you load, and automatically removes anything it recognizes as an ad. There's a lot more to it than just that, and it's a really clever tool, but essentially what it does is directly alter the code of the web page. Unfortunately, this isn't really possible to do from another device on your network. I did look into somehow setting up a device which scans all incoming traffic like Ublock does, and then removes adverts similarly, but this isn't really possible since HTTPS traffic is encrypted. Any attempt at removing the encryption would likely result in a heap of issues to using various services, and you'll likely get constant warnings on your browser about a page being insecure e.t.c.
Well that sucks. Thanks though
😂
Lmao Google won't see your money... except when you give them hundreds for their flagship phone which will collect every last bit of data from you that it can.
My brother/sister in christ, please put GrapheneOS or an equivalent on that phone when you get it lol
lol same
Just use ReVanced
Youtube without ads + bonus functionalities
Youtube Music
Both are FOSS btw
Alternatively: Firefox for Android + uBlock origin addon works well for me.
Unfortunately, there's no Sponsor Block addon for Firefox Android.
If you go through a ton of hoops, you should be able to get sponsorblock on firefox android.
It requires getting firefox beta, logging into your account. On, a pc, going to the mozilla addons website, logging in, creating an addon list. Then enabling addon lists in firefox beta. I found this which helped me, but the addon I wanted to use (libredirect) wasn't available on android. it does say firefox nightly, but I couldn't find the option, only ok firefox beta
I'm using NewPipe now after Vanced finally quit working for me about a month ago and it's great and sooo lightweight but I'm definitely missing some features from vanced. However, I'd rather kill myself than pay for YouTube premium and NewPipe is free so this is not me complaining.
I'm using InnerTune, another FOSS option, in place of Vanced music and again, works great just missing some features.
I had the same issue until I discovered ReVanced. It's literally the same old app but updated. I also have newpipe which I typically use for specific things.. Or if I don't want to receive video recommendations for a certain video
I tried revanced but it always fails when trying to patch the apk. I couldn't figure it out.
Yep, same here. IIRC it fails because it's expecting me to enter a custom package name, but then there's no field at all to enter a package name. I've gone thru the settings multiple times and couldn't find that option so I too gave up.
Anyways, NewPipe works well enough for me, and if there's some issue I could always load it in a browser.
This isn't me trying to sound like a dick. But did you enable the option for it to rename itself? I can't remember where it is, but it's something along those lines.
Am using it without root on my phone at the moment. Perhaps it's a bug with the patcher
Got a new phone and number.
Wanted to log into YouTube.
Had to wait a month to get the verification email because google is a shitshow when it comes to security.
Ended up never using google products since then ever again.
It's kinda weird how they track you so much, yet they can't even get their shit together to make recovering your account easier.
They're option if you can't get any access codes at all? Delete your account.
So they're basically saying "yeah we really care that no one else should be allowed access to your account. Not even you if you fuck up. But, we thank you for building an amazing portfolio of your digital profile. Now fuck off."
If anyone has an issue where you genuinely can't get into your account. If you have an android tv with the Google account linked, or, and I'm assuming it works as well, an android tv box, go to the built in Web browser. It'll let you sign into your Google account where you can disable all 2fa.
I got caught out by this, and because I used my Gmail as my Samsung account, I was also locked out of my Samsung account.
And a little tip to Google. If you're going to forcefully collect all of this:
Then let us at least fucking use it to sign into our accounts.
Actually, I said "recovering" which is false. Google doesn't let you recover.
I was about to say "well at least they don’t want your contacts“ and then I remembered that you sync your contacts via google.
A little VPN to Argentina does wonders for the bank balance. I don’t mind paying but I refuse to pay extortionate amounts.
I still have no clue how to complete this process, so I just use ReVanced.
It was quite easy I think.
VPN to Argentina. Use incognito browser. Sign in to YouTube. Sign up for premium. When asked for an address use Google maps and pick a random residential address in Argentina.
I think that was it. Was a few years ago now.
You've found quite the hornets nest, it seems.
I pay for premium because YouTube does video delivery better than anyone else in the world, and it's not free for them to provide. Lots of things to hate about YouTube/Alphabet, but theft is a corrupt way of expressing discontentment.
Also, if I pay for premium, then content creators get paid, and I don't have to shell out for merch to not feel like a terrible person.
Because the content creators get no muhnee.
Not everyone has sponsorships though.
I imagine if it doesn't make sense to you already, I won't be able to help you understand, but here goes anyway.
A company pays a lot of money to have a service developed and hosted, then offers a paid teir, and an ad supported teir. If you neither pay, nor watch ads, yet still use the service, then the company is incurring fees due to your usage while receiving no revenue for providing the service.
Like, YouTube videos are great. Practically a utility at this point. However YouTube, the platform, is a company not a charity; if you cost them money, while providing $0 revenue, you're stealing their money.
Personally I don't think theft is justified outside extreme desparation (stealing food, basically), and given that YouTube gives you an option that does not require giving them money I find it hard to justify stealing bandwidth.
If YouTube started banning Adblockers they'd end up with really bad PR and an arms race, neither of which would sound terribly appealing (although I predict this is a policy change in the works already).
The problem with account bans is that, unlike steam accounts, YouTube accounts have no value associated with them. You ban one and another one pops up.
If I went to the drive through, and they handed me a coffee and said "that'll be $3. Would you like to pay with cash? or points?" And I just drove off, they wouldn't chase me over it, but it is absolutely still theft.
Listen, if you want to pirate content, go ahead, I can't stop you, and it's not like I haven't done it myself, but don't lie to yourself.
You skipped the part where, upon purchasing YouTube, Google used their infinitely deep pockets to deliberately run all other video hosting services, and there were several, out of business and create a monopoly. I'm not going to question my morals over blocking ads from a company that itself is morally bankrupt.
The user should always be in control of the 1s and 0s entering their computer. Allowing some data and not allowing others is not theft. It's not all-or-nothing for which data Google sends me and recieves from me, that's absurd.
This abstraction doesn't make a ton of sense to me. Of course you're in charge of your computer, but just because you're free to choose a certain option, doesn't make it moral, or legal. Using a companys service and making a special effort to withhold payment then saying "it's not theft, they're totally cool with it" is absurd. Why would they be cool with that?
I don't care of they're cool with it, I'll use my computer how I want to. Google makes hundreds of billions in annual revenue, it's hard to feel bad for them. Calling that theft is a massive stretch, they are not losing anything except for potential profit, you could argue bandwidth but that is so intangible compared to any kind of physical theft.
Keep in mind with adblocking we're dealing with fractions of a penny per video and Google is still making money off me regardless. I directly support creators I like, sending them $10 is an order of magnitude more money than they would get over a lifetime of me watching ads.
Have you ever paid hosting fees? Digital != Intangible.
Its up to you to decide what kinds of theft you're ok with. I definitely pirate things, but I don't lie about it and say it's not theft. I just accept that sometimes I'm the bad guy.
NewPipe exists.
Or you can use an ad-blocker. Also youtube is profitable just fine. If it wasn't Google would have shut it down a long time ago.
I hate Ggle as a corporation, but LOVE YouTube. With that being said, FreeTube, NewPipe, and InnerTunes will be used by me until YouTube/Ggle goes bankrupt. After they replaced G**gle Play Music with YouTube music I want them to burn a fiery death.
Why? I use YouTube music all the time, it's great.
It's great.... In your opinion. It is trash, in my opinion. Everyone can enjoy what they want but it's not for me (at least not if I have to pay)
Cool, good for you.
Cope, mald and seethe, Youtube shill.
Lol yeah downloading newpipe is suuuch a hoop to jump through. 🙄
Have you tried Piped? It lets you watch Youtube without ads, though you can't use it to comment, but I say you should give it a try.
I'd rather click two buttons than give them my card information and send them money, but ok.
True. Google has good regional prices and pays creators more than some other streaming services. By not blocking ads I support both platform and creators. Furthermore, creators in my country get more money from premium viewers than from ads.
Huh.
No one mentioned brave-browser, or yt-dlp (+mpv or other video player), in this thread yet?
What... do you all just use the web interface?
I've not seen an advert (other than ones the creators makes as part of the video) in over a decade and a half. (And as if it needs said, I don't pay.)
It's like saying AAA games should probably be way more than $60. Despite the fact they used to be $40... then $50... and more expensive carts have ALWAYS been around since the SNES? and definitely N64 days lol.
I would gladly pay twice the current price of premium if they stopped tracking me and open-sourced their code. Do they expect me to pay for a worse experience than the free alternative?
Newpipe...
Youtube is for chumps
I would gladly pay twice the current price of premium if they stopped tracking me and open-sourced their code. Do they expect me to pay for a worse experience than the free alternative?
Never support a monopoly. Enshitification always follows from monopoly power, not the lack thereof.
I don't deny that YouTube has its great merits, but bundling ads with content is not one of them. Especially not pop-up ads.
There's no hoops. Just install a 3rd party player with adblock enabled and that's it.
I'm on a friends plan. If I wasn't I'd just download whatever I want to watch. It's pretty easy to download from YT.
Use Freetube or NewPipe or Invidious. All of which let you watch YouTube videos ad free, and they're FREE. Have some commen sense PLEASE
People get so insufferably smug about this. Also, completely ignore the YouTube music bit, and just talk about how to block ads.
Same. It’s like $5 for 6 months if you use a VPN at checkout. At that price point, why not.
Is that trick "safe" for your Google account? I wouldn't mind paying for yt premium, but it's really not worth 7€ a month to me. Maximum half of that.
If I did that I would just create another Google account specifically for YouTube so I don't risk my main account. But then my main account has so many subscriptions and so much watch history that would also be a significant dislike for me.
Probably not, but I don’t really use google services. My account is mostly empty.
In that case, I'll think I'll just stay on the NewPipe/SmartTube/Revanced/adblock route for now
To be fair, I use my main google account and haven’t had any issues in over two years now. But I also use SmartTubeNext regularly, so I understand.
I'm grandfathered in at that permanent 7.99 per month, it's a no brainier.
Wish I was lol
Your ignorance is so cute! I could just
punchpinch those cheeks!What would you say to someone with premium that still uses revanced because it's a better client? Probably nothing because there's no script for that.
I used revanced on sync for Reddit to keep it alive past it's death date, though I'm much more engaged with Lemmy since Sync released for it too.
What makes the revanced version of YouTube better to you? Maybe I should check it out.
Sponsor block integration.
That too, I've been using it so long I forgot it was even a thing that needed blocking. 😆
Downvotes for one thing, also removing shit I'll never use, easier downloading when I want to archive a video, etc.