Canada’s Far-Right is Planning a Convoy to Toronto to ‘Save the Children’. It’s Already Spinning Out of Control.
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Sure, I understand that the system failed him, or at least failed someone close to him. But what he's doing is just generally raging against the leaders and using random excuses to justify causing chaos.
There's no focus, no message. No way for anybody to respond in any way other than flat out rejection. How can you respond to something like this if when you try, it's like "okay, I understand this this this, and this. But this one and these three others are unacceptable to us. But then there's another sixteen that we can talk about. Please give us your side of the story and we can continue from there." How do you form a conversation with that?
Not to mention that he's trying to gather people from the widest spectrum he can, each with a different grievance. How do you talk when you have a dozen "I won't budge on this one thing" when each one thing is something different? Just like the previous convoy, it's just plain civil disobedience for the sake of letting out steam, no actual attempt at making change.
The math agenda? What are the conservatives worrying about this week?
I had a very strange conversation a couple of years ago. It seems that some people think that math is used only as a tool to control the population or something.
We were talking about something that most people would consider pretty innocuous, catch and release fishing. I mentioned that I had recently read an article that claimed that mortality among released fish was still high enough that approximately every second released fish should be counted against your limit because of the percentage of released fish that die of catch-related causes.
That lit the other guy's hair on fire. "That's math! You can't seriously think that math is real? It's all made up!" (Or words to that effect. Mouth frothing removed to protect the innocent.)
Over the course of the rest of the conversation, I "learned" that math was invented as a tool of oppression. Science uses math to create fake knowledge. Our senses are the only true sources of knowledge.
They are anti-everything they don't understand. Unfortunately that's most things.
How to control a population 101:
Make them only trust their emotions.
If they actually followed through with that you'd kind of have to admire it. What else would they have to do away with? All abstract concepts obviously, along with everything they'd been told, read, or imagined. How about theory of mind? Object permanence? Would they be newly surprised by the sunrise every day?
It devolves pretty quickly into an infantile solipsism. The world exists only for me, and only when I'm looking.
These are people that literally never grew up.
It's the 8 year old mentality of 'math is hard and confusing, I would rather spend the day living in my imaginary world'
What we are seeing now is the temper tantrum that happens when someone challenges them to leave their comfort zone.
A temper tantrum that goes on for years. At least with children it's usually over in minutes.
Math has a known liberal bias.
I expect they'd be upset about arabic numerals if they knew that's what they're called.
Yeah that stood out to me too, I've heard of these other dumb things.
So a bunch of closet pedophiles are organizing another convoy to "save the children" from "groomers" and "pedophiles" which they are projecting on drag queens?
That's rich.
These people are too stupid to exist holy shit
And yet my aunt does, in fact, exist. Blows my mind every time I see her. Her beliefs are so stupid I'm fairly certain she lowers the collective intelligence of any room she's in.
@Holyginz @mp3
And yet they do. :/
Funny, they NEVER protest against churches. Why is that?
No, they mentioned "grooming and indoctrination".
Oh wait...
So cute of them to pretend that they give a fuck about kids or anyone outside their ridiculous worldview.
I feel like many of these people are at that point where they're trying to make themselves into a hero to shore up all of the other fundamental deficits they have in their character.
One thing that I realized when I was going through mental health issues of my own was that a lot of the core of my issues centered around wanting to be someone who was important, a hero, someone that saved other people and for me that boiled down to acting like I already was the hero and doing things that I thought of hero would do like pointlessly sacrificing my opportunities for other people who did not appreciate me or attach any meaning to it.
I realized that once you're smart enough to start meta-analyzing your own life, there is a trap for you and that trap is your internal need for importance.
When you base all of your thinking around that, making yourself into the hero of your own life, then that thinking will cause you and more importantly , the people around you, so much grief.
My only saving grace was that I couldn't convince other people to go along with my self-appointed hero worship. I imagine if I had I might have ended up just like them so really it was my own lack of charisma that was my salvation I guess.
I hear ya, looking back I think went thru a similar thing in my 20s so I can understand that feeling.
It must be hard to dig out of if you're surrounded by a bunch of people who are buying in or supporting that behavior
If it wasn’t actually problematic it would be fascinating. It’s like watching a documentary about a cult.
I've always found it funny that the reason why science fiction and fantasy villains are almost always such lackluster characters is because science fiction and fantasy writers have to stick within the realm of plausibility whereas real life villains are not hampered by such trivialities.
Your sci-fi villain has to have a tragic backstory where he's using the power of the universe killing machine to bring back his dead girlfriend or something.
In contrast, your real life villain is organizing a civil war militia to protect himself from enemies that he imagines existing somewhere even though he has no proof whatsoever, and all over the Western world people are proudly following these nut bags and even buying the merch.
Honestly, is risky, but that could make for a pretty interesting sci-fi or fantasy villian, if handled correctly - but it'd be a fine line between playing it deadly straight and melodrama overload.
In the real world the biggest villains actually believe that they are good, and they use that belief to justify that everything they do, even bad things, are done in the pursuit of good. They are convinced that they are doing good and that they are pure, good people, and they don't ever feel bad.
Villains aren't like some Joker, or Dr. Evil. They are culty and give themselves a license to control and harm other people.
It's the same thing with the rich and powerful. Most rich and powerful people believe they got to that position because of their inherent worth, either their genius or their accomplishments or as being good stewards of their birthright if they were born wealthy.
These people have a reason to not hear what other people say when people tell them that what they are doing is amoral at best and immoral at worst. They take it as a personal attack on their self-esteem and their self worth rather than as an attempt to begin fixing the larger societal problems that their current position is capable of fixing.
Elon musk doesn't have to be a nut job. He doesn't have to destroy the conversational communal meeting place of a billion people to be someone of note. He's doing it because he thinks he can do it better and that all of us idiot plebeians will just follow along once he sets the path.
The fact that this will have in the process destroyed the ability for people across the planet to coordinate against despotic government systems in the process is not important because that would mean that Elon did a bad thing, and that would make Elon feel bad so it's just not even going to be considered.
Do they not have jobs?
Good point.
“Save the Children” has been considered the cry of people that can’t put forth a reasonable argument for the thing they want for decades. Right up there with the people that like exclaiming “muh rights” and then either complain about something that’s never been a right, or immediately following up by trying to remove other people’s rights. I feel like using “save the children”(or similar variations) is a pretty good indication that I’m not going to agree with most of what follows.
It's how they justify the unjustifiable. God and The Children have the same utility in the minds of monsters: anything you do is okay if you're doing it for them.
Helen Lovejoy has been yelling "won't somebody think of the children" since 1989.
These people are literally a herd of cats in a room with a laser pointer pointed at a disco globe.
My mother is a conspiracy theory sucker. Being isolated during the pandemic with her idiot boyfriend literally spun her around from being a compassionate intelligent woman who ran her own successful business for over a decade to literally being afraid of everything and everyone.
Oh man, I thought we outlawed organized small children hunts. Those bourgeoise snobs in their red coats and riding britches.
Also, where would one get a railcar of children. Is that what the "Dark Web" is for?
Who the fuck is "kidnapping kids and putting them in railcars"... Rail in Canada is total shit lmfao, these people need so much mental health help.
They get thrown in railcars but the worst thing about the kidnapping is the Dementors. They fly all over the place and they were scary and then they'd come down and they'd suck the soul out of your body and it hurt!
As a unit of measurement for harvested children, a railcar is called a railcar for historical reasons. The other unit of measurement, of course, is grade. For grade "A" children -- that is, your children of indebted or disgraced public figures -- you're talking about 100 kids/railcar on most dark web markets.
You can get more if you settle for lower grades, say if you're using them for research or food as opposed to labour or ritual.
Someone explain the math thing, because I have no clue what it could be.
It doesn't add up?
Math requires logical thinking.
They're against that.
Maybe the 'math agenda' is forcing kids to keep doing math after grade 6 or something like that :P
I mean, in school I had an agenda book and some days were almost entirely math, so... I guess?
I'm morbidly curious about it, but not enough to actually want to listen to one of these chuds talk.
I've looked up "bat-shit math conspiracies for those that sniff glue" online; here is what I found:
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/05/12/queer-math-camp-without-the-math-n550283
Thanks for sharing that barely coherent rant. I'm now both 3 minutes older and I probably lost some brain cells trying to process his nonsense. Who reads this and thinks "Yeah, this guy's got a handle on reality and some good ideas."? It's rage bait for people who are already angry at society.
These people obsess about child rape 24/7. What does that say about them?
Then why aren't they closing down churches? You're a poor liar.
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Yeah, in a way that makes me not want to leave any around them.
The world would be a better place without right wingers
I wouldn't be surprised if they also started going off about the "round earth agenda" or something like that. These dudes are absolutely braindead.
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I already know the trans agenda is to let trans soldiers fight, but what's the math agenda? I want in.
The "Math Agenda" boils down to the idea that every subject is in is supposedly being used to push the LGBT agenda.
This is what they are freaking out about:
https://www.maa.org/programs-and-communities/outreach-initatives/camp-of-mathematical-queeries
And this is them freaking out about it:
https://hotair.com/david-strom/2023/05/12/queer-math-camp-without-the-math-n550283
Sounds fun. I do wonder what math they'll go into. As a queer person who nebulously loves math, I can see how normal conversations could be hijacked and turned into a math discussion.
Maybe that's what this will be: a program designed to pull queer teenagers together into a safe space where they can explore different areas of math guided by math pedagogy professionals. This might mean not always going the algebra-geometry-calculus direction, but rather maybe some fun probability stuff, graph theory, the traveling salesperson problem, the Towers of Hanoi, things in discrete math that could be fun to talk about.
Had to share a work van with one of these sort for work. I would get an hour of details on how math is just "a trick to make people believe certain things"
Also "Jews are from Saturn"
And "the chemtrails are full of microchips"
There is literally nothing you can do to sway any of their beliefs, because basic reason and logic are the enemy.
Rather, maybe we need to subvert their base instincts in a way they can turn them towards logic despite their preconceptions and inability to process basic information. Kind of like the mobile game market or unethical media companies which have free reign to influence these people for malicious self gain.
The issue is that ethical people are too upstanding to use such subversive means, which means they will ultimately lose out in our current socio-economic ecosystem
I think smart people need to fight evil with the same tools used by evil, until such tools are invalidated.
How do you tell which group is using those tools for good and evil?
Unfortunately, the only way to do that is to kill them all and let the historians sort them out.
You reminded me I need to get my COVID booster. My 5G signal is weak.
Ah, yes. The math agenda. The deadliest of all the agendas. He who masters it, masters the universe.
3rd grade is too young to learn about poly(nomials)!!
I haven't dabbled in hard drugs, but this seems like an altered perspective.
Has he been sitting in front of the computer for a couple of years sucking on a pipe and letting flame bait reprogram his mind?
That's what I did and I'm not a right wing nut!
But I will end you if you say an unkind word about Noam Chomsky!!
Chomsky is inconsistent about whether debate or deplatforming is the correct way to deal with people who take a position against universal human rights
Runs away
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The only Noam Chomsky I care about it is about two and a half feet tall and has a pointy hat and comes alive at night and does.... things to the local wildlife. I've said too much.
And this is what happens when you sit in front of a computer for a couple years, hitting the pipe but ignoring the right-/left-wing flame bait. You get normal drug stuff like, like erudite garden gnomes doing unspeakable things to woodland creatures. Pervy Garden Gnome 2024!
I think they just want friends on their road trip
"Hey guys, what's the theme this year??"
Get your showers ready, Toronto. There's more than 18 cowboys a-coming.
Ram Ranch Resistance!
Can the take the weirdos that protest weekly by the highway in my hometown with them? Preferably and not come back
@mp3
Jfc already.
Can someone please get these people a life!
Their grievances are a Gish Gallop.
He sounds like a guy I'd friggin follow. Friggin Canada, man! /s
As depressing as it sounds, I think it might be time to add a new entry to possible Drake Equation solutions:
"Stupid people stuck in a loop of hatred, bigotry and scientific denial kept society from moving forward fast enough to prevent destruction by climate change, conflict or lack of resources." And that's why we haven't seen any evidence of alien life. But societal evolution always follows that path.