All countries associated with the European Broacast Union can participate.
Theoretically yes, but associated members (in contrast to full members) still need to be approved on a case by case basis.
Active members (as opposed to associate members) of the European Broadcasting Union (EBU) are eligible to participate; [...]. Associate member broadcasters may be eligible to compete, dependent on approval by the contest's reference group.[49]
Eurovision is organised by the European Broadcasting Union, which includes basically all countries in the European Broadcasting Area
(basically Europe + all of the Mediterranean). Those include Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Israel, Armenia, etc. They have always been allowed to participate.
Australia is an outlier. They just got a special invitation.
Aren’t we anyways? Who cares at this point. Nazi, antisemitic… Russophobe. I’ve been all of these lol. I’ve even been called a homophobe even tho I am literally gay.
Or France becomes a Canadian one and switch to English as the primary official language. It would solve a ton of issues and I'm sure the French would be okay with it.
Membership of the European Economic Area - same as Norway - for example.
Comes with being part of the EU Internal Market, Freedom Of Movement (both ways, of course) and exceptions in a couple of areas (such as fishing rights not being decided by the EU, which I suspect is something that Canada would rather have) but without voting power within the EU.
You have to be "substantially European", which includes Cyprus, which is fully in Asia and half Turkish. Also, Greenland and to a degree Iceland aren't geographically European.
Ah shit, you're right about Iceland. I thought it was for some reason.
Greenland like usual has no data (because WTF is it really? Independent? A territory?). Denmark definitely is, though, and Greenlanders presently get the full benefits of that.
In fact, the distance between the shores of Newfoundland and St. Pierre and Miquelon is shorter than the width of the English Channel at the Straits of Dover (25km vs 34km).
Don't get me wrong I'm all for it but by this logic we can also include South America (French Guyana), central America (Caribbeans) all Pacific Islands (French Polynesia), Africa (too many to list), Indian subcontinent (la reunion) and Oceania (nouvelle Caledonie).
You want more convoys? Ingesting the US will give you nothing but cancer. If it's not a city or a suburb, you're just absorbing indoctrinated fascism. It's pervasive.
I'm not sure why I keep seeing this posted, like it's some sort of gotcha. It doesn't mean our other elections would have to change, just the brand new representatives to the EU.
The vote for liberal leadership used Preferential Voting where you could indicate more than one preference.
It's not about being a "gotcha" - it's about demonstrating a pathway to better democratic representation.
You're right that EU membership would only require PR for European Parliament representatives initially. However, this would create several significant opportunities:
Practical demonstration: Canadians would experience firsthand how an electoral system that ensures every vote counts actually works, rather than just hearing theoretical arguments.
Institutional precedent: Once PR is successfully implemented for one electoral body, the argument that it's "too complex" or "un-Canadian" becomes much harder to maintain.
Democratic legitimacy gap: Having representatives to the EU Parliament elected through PR while our own MPs are chosen through FPTP would create an obvious legitimacy contrast that would be difficult to justify.
The Liberal leadership vote using preferential voting actually supports this point. Internal party processes already recognize the limitations of FPTP - they just don't extend those same democratic principles to the general electorate. In fact, all parties, even the Conservatives, use superior electoral systems to FPTP.
The reality is that 76% of Canadians support electoral reform according to recent polling, but our major parties benefit from maintaining a system that systematically discards votes. Exposure to functioning PR would make the democratic deficit in our current system increasingly apparent.
I get what you are saying, but the UK joined the EU with FPTP voting and left the EU because of FPTP. So while I agree that exposure might change things I do doubt it.
From all I've having lived in a couple of countries in the EU (including the UK), exposure to Proportional Vote in the EU Parliament Election seems to have zero impact on people wanting it for other election, maybe because EU MPs are too far away from most people and don't really get all that much news coverage, unlike the national politics of a country.
Mind you, personally exposure to Proportional Vote when I was living in The Netherlands has definitely made my mind in favour of it, especially after I moved to Britain and was exposed to their shit-show FPTP voting system (worse than my own country of Portugal which as multi-representant electoral circles, so way less Democratic than PR but nowhere as bad as FPTP).
A lot of people don’t get it until they see it in action.
My union recently had a vote about increasing health benefits. “No” won in one of the categories because there were 3 options for how much to increase it by. (Yes won by 76% while the no beat the top yes 24% to 23%)
I pointed this out at the next meeting and we had a vote and struck the no vote. Later a bunch of people said thanks for pointing that out, and my reply was “no sweat, we have the same problem with our elections.”
Then everyone applauded and Einstein gave me a piece of π. Just kidding, it was more like weird looks and a couple agreements, but I like to think I brought the issue to a few people’s attention.
Because it's a step towards proportional representation. It would expose much more of the populace to how it's done. Hopefully getting more people used to the idea of it.
Hungary's system is half proportional, half FPP on steroids, but it's just as bad as FPP since our FPP lets the winner not just take the seat, but also extra votes into the proportional part of the race.
So, no, the EU is fine with everything, the only thing is that EU citizens have to be able to vote in local elections wherever we live, regardless of citizenship. That means if you join, and I rent a place in Toronto and move in, I get a vote for the Toronto mayor on day one.
There is French territory just off the coast of Newfoundland too (see Saint Pierre and Miquelon), also Denmark is right next door because of Greenland. So while still pretty far fetched, there is some precedent for European territory in North America.
Guys guys guys, let's be good friends with the EU, let's even adopt some of their best policies, but honestly, they also have some baggage we don't need.
I'm super jealous because I've wanted to have Canadian citizenship since back in my late teens / early adulthood when I realized that there was already a version of America that actually lived up to American ideals and which offered same-sex marriage as well as universal healthcare. That weed and apparently codeine are legal there make it so much more bittersweet.
The only people I've known personally to get citizenship are those who married a Canadian citizen. Which sucks for me because I'm already happily partnered and there's no way I'd give that up for anything, not even Canadian citizenship, awesome and appealing as it is.
Washington, Oregon, and California as Canada’s 12th province. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and the northern 20% of Illinois and Indiana as the 13th.
Wouldn’t need to stick exactly to the current state boundaries. Trim off the eastern parts of some of those states on the west coast. And get enough territory to fully encircle the Great Lakes, extended enough to include Minneapolis, Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago, all of Michigan, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and parts of upstate New York.
At a minimum any states bordering Canada, including those bordering the 4 Great Lakes shared with Canada, should get a vote of which country to go with.
Pennsylvania is 100% included, and honestly if Indiana and Illinois go for it despite being on the “wrong” Great Lake, I’m not going to complain.
Let the GOP force them to become a state. They'd get 2 senate seats and more electoral college votes and congressional seats than any other state. Just in time for the Dems to run on deannexing Canada.
Territories are still citizens, who can vote when they reside in states. If 2-3% of Canada immigrated, that's 1 million people, which would shift the balance in a lot of places.
Of course, even if you shifted 10 seats in the Senate, the democrats would probably give republicans half the budget and let them write their own bills in the name of bipartisanship (again), and you'd quickly become as hopeless as the average american is in the democrats helping them.
Canada should totally call Trump's bluff. The GOP would lose their everloving shit at the prospect of another state the size and political leanings of California involved in US federal elections.
It would be amazing if Canada made a bunch of demands that would be seen as unreasonable. Like, demand that every Canadian province and territory be split in two, and each be admitted as it's own state. That would add 26 new states! There's no way the US would go for that. I'm American, I hate this administration and I have been to Canada many times. Anything that Canada can do to mess with these morons in office would be welcome.
It is as difficult for us as it is for an American. It's not very common to be able to get a work permit without an employer sponsoring you and most EU employers have enough selection in Europe they don't need people from North America.
I speak French (fluent), Spanish (good but not well enough for a formal workplace), and enough Danish to make myself understood
Orban has to vote for Canada. Why? His regime will be over in 14 days if he does not get the EU money. Orban's biggest rival is in first place according to the latest polls. If he wants to be re-elected, he cannot sabotage EU policy.
Fuck your cake. Fuck your natural resources. Fuck your bilungualism, affable manner, vast wildernesses and extensive waters. Keep them. We don't want them.
Why are non-European countries even allowed to participate?
All countries associated with the European Broacast Union can participate.
Brazil, Peru, Japan, India, and even China and the US could participate too.
Russia and Lybia used to be part of the EBU but they were suspended. They know what they did.
Theoretically yes, but associated members (in contrast to full members) still need to be approved on a case by case basis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eurovision_Song_Contest#Participation
Eurovision is organised by the European Broadcasting Union, which includes basically all countries in the European Broadcasting Area (basically Europe + all of the Mediterranean). Those include Morocco, Tunisia, Egypt, Israel, Armenia, etc. They have always been allowed to participate. Australia is an outlier. They just got a special invitation.
Because Australia were mega fans, so they invited us :3
Are we going to be called anti-Semitic?
Aren’t we anyways? Who cares at this point. Nazi, antisemitic… Russophobe. I’ve been all of these lol. I’ve even been called a homophobe even tho I am literally gay.
This is genius!
Jesus Christ, yes please!
As a European, I think it would be pretty funny if, after Brexit, the other parts of the former Empire joined the EU.
But at least right now, membership is probably more of a meme - some solid cooperation and shared institutions would be amazing, though.
EU already said this can't work. It said in the rules only European countries can join the EU. But something can be worked out, no doubt.
EuropeanWorldwide UnionCanada becomes a France province, easy.
Or France becomes a Canadian one and switch to English as the primary official language. It would solve a ton of issues and I'm sure the French would be okay with it.
It's been ok so far in Canada.
Wait...
Where did they get all those torches and pitchforks so fast?
Membership of the European Economic Area - same as Norway - for example.
Comes with being part of the EU Internal Market, Freedom Of Movement (both ways, of course) and exceptions in a couple of areas (such as fishing rights not being decided by the EU, which I suspect is something that Canada would rather have) but without voting power within the EU.
You have to be "substantially European", which includes Cyprus, which is fully in Asia and half Turkish. Also, Greenland and to a degree Iceland aren't geographically European.
Neither Greenland nor Iceland are in the EU.
No, but French Guiana is, and it's in South America.
kind of
Ah shit, you're right about Iceland. I thought it was for some reason.
Greenland like usual has no data (because WTF is it really? Independent? A territory?). Denmark definitely is, though, and Greenlanders presently get the full benefits of that.
New update just dropped
I don't see Erdogan being very happy about this map tho
Erdogan doesn't care about Turkish EU membership.
Ya know, when you put it that way
::: spoiler Tap for spoiler Pun intended. Get rocked. :::
That doesn't look as absurd as it might seem at first!
especially once the north pole melts
One hell of a trading block and the EU GDP would leave the MAGA fucks in their dust trail.
Well, we do share a land border with Denmark. Sooooo…. we’re practically European already!
And France (Saint Pierre) I think? Thanks CBC Gem!
Saint Pierre and Miquelon, right by Newfoundland. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Pierre_and_Miquelon
That's a sea border, but the idea is the same.
In fact, the distance between the shores of Newfoundland and St. Pierre and Miquelon is shorter than the width of the English Channel at the Straits of Dover (25km vs 34km).
Don't get me wrong I'm all for it but by this logic we can also include South America (French Guyana), central America (Caribbeans) all Pacific Islands (French Polynesia), Africa (too many to list), Indian subcontinent (la reunion) and Oceania (nouvelle Caledonie).
I look forward to Hawaii joining the EU :D
We share a land border on the recently divided Hans Island.oops misread the threadingWell, if Canada can take part in the Eurovision song contest, they might as well join the EU.
Everyone knows supreme executive power is derived from Eurovision.
Fucking Celine Dion
https://youtu.be/FmhMVlyBWLQ
Let's just rename the EU to "United Earth" like in Star Trek, since Australia is practically in it already on account of being in Eurovision.
That way we don't need to change the initials, just swap them.
Earth United would be better, no need to even change the merch.
That's the soccer team.
They always lose on penalties to fuckin Mars, man
The refs are such hacks. If they weren't on the take from MarsX Mining Co. those marties wouldn't stand a chance against us.
Of course, all of these variations will still be different/inverted in french, which is already in the Union Européenne (UE) today.
I mean we did kinda get our asses kicked in 1812 after we started a war the president would later say we were unprepared for.
How about the US just becomes provinces 14-64? I'll gladly take anything else.
Nah sorry we're not taking the red states. They can be their own Christofascist hell elsewhere.
Can I raise you the proposal of Canada and Jesusland
this looks like a dragon head with cat / dragon torso and cat legs
Indeed, I like that map.
Alaska needs to be integrated though, don't want another Kaliningrad.
Good point, but it's an F'n red state.
make a list of the ones y'all want we can work out a deal
So just all of new england, the pacific northwest and California.
California already goes to Denmark though
You want more convoys? Ingesting the US will give you nothing but cancer. If it's not a city or a suburb, you're just absorbing indoctrinated fascism. It's pervasive.
Yea, I'll take the top 20.
Mexico can take the bottom 30
#canadentry
Also see:
I'm not sure why I keep seeing this posted, like it's some sort of gotcha. It doesn't mean our other elections would have to change, just the brand new representatives to the EU.
The vote for liberal leadership used Preferential Voting where you could indicate more than one preference.
It's not about being a "gotcha" - it's about demonstrating a pathway to better democratic representation.
You're right that EU membership would only require PR for European Parliament representatives initially. However, this would create several significant opportunities:
Practical demonstration: Canadians would experience firsthand how an electoral system that ensures every vote counts actually works, rather than just hearing theoretical arguments.
Institutional precedent: Once PR is successfully implemented for one electoral body, the argument that it's "too complex" or "un-Canadian" becomes much harder to maintain.
Democratic legitimacy gap: Having representatives to the EU Parliament elected through PR while our own MPs are chosen through FPTP would create an obvious legitimacy contrast that would be difficult to justify.
The Liberal leadership vote using preferential voting actually supports this point. Internal party processes already recognize the limitations of FPTP - they just don't extend those same democratic principles to the general electorate. In fact, all parties, even the Conservatives, use superior electoral systems to FPTP.
The reality is that 76% of Canadians support electoral reform according to recent polling, but our major parties benefit from maintaining a system that systematically discards votes. Exposure to functioning PR would make the democratic deficit in our current system increasingly apparent.
I get what you are saying, but the UK joined the EU with FPTP voting and left the EU because of FPTP. So while I agree that exposure might change things I do doubt it.
From all I've having lived in a couple of countries in the EU (including the UK), exposure to Proportional Vote in the EU Parliament Election seems to have zero impact on people wanting it for other election, maybe because EU MPs are too far away from most people and don't really get all that much news coverage, unlike the national politics of a country.
Mind you, personally exposure to Proportional Vote when I was living in The Netherlands has definitely made my mind in favour of it, especially after I moved to Britain and was exposed to their shit-show FPTP voting system (worse than my own country of Portugal which as multi-representant electoral circles, so way less Democratic than PR but nowhere as bad as FPTP).
A lot of people don’t get it until they see it in action.
My union recently had a vote about increasing health benefits. “No” won in one of the categories because there were 3 options for how much to increase it by. (Yes won by 76% while the no beat the top yes 24% to 23%)
I pointed this out at the next meeting and we had a vote and struck the no vote. Later a bunch of people said thanks for pointing that out, and my reply was “no sweat, we have the same problem with our elections.”
Then everyone applauded and Einstein gave me a piece of π. Just kidding, it was more like weird looks and a couple agreements, but I like to think I brought the issue to a few people’s attention.
Because it's a step towards proportional representation. It would expose much more of the populace to how it's done. Hopefully getting more people used to the idea of it.
England, Wales and Scotland had EU PR elections for 15 years, but England still rejected PR at referendum.
There would be voting changes , I believe, something about EU membership requiring a certain type of voting system. Eg. Not FPP
Hungary's system is half proportional, half FPP on steroids, but it's just as bad as FPP since our FPP lets the winner not just take the seat, but also extra votes into the proportional part of the race.
So, no, the EU is fine with everything, the only thing is that EU citizens have to be able to vote in local elections wherever we live, regardless of citizenship. That means if you join, and I rent a place in Toronto and move in, I get a vote for the Toronto mayor on day one.
Might be some geographical issues (perhaps of the ocean variety) with this proposal
Well, Ireland is separated from the rest of the continent by ocean. Canada is just a slightly bigger island, slightly further away...
There is French territory just off the coast of Newfoundland too (see Saint Pierre and Miquelon), also Denmark is right next door because of Greenland. So while still pretty far fetched, there is some precedent for European territory in North America.
Canada shares a land border with Greenland on Hans Island.
The Celtic Sea is not an ocean.
By that logic then Vancouver Island isn't an island because the Juan de Fuca is a strait not an ocean
They didn't say Ireland wasn't an island because of it... But, for the record, Canada isn't an island anyway so...
¯\_(ツ)_/¯I wasn't awake when I wrote that but I still think they meant to imply it doesn't make it an island. Poor reader here I guess.
Maybe canada can be the first member of a post-European EU. I guess we'll need a new name.
Earth United!
Sounds like a football club that has no one to play against.
Cyprus is already the first non-European EU member.
Earthed Union the EU.
White supremacist imperialist conglomerate (non-US version)?
Once again, we are forced to raise the lingering question: Are Italians White?
new caledonia and french guiana are laughing it up from the southern hemisphere
Guys guys guys, let's be good friends with the EU, let's even adopt some of their best policies, but honestly, they also have some baggage we don't need.
Believe me, we don't want Orban either..
I just want to be sovereign. How is that so hard for people to understand?
EU members are all sovereign, brexiter.
I’m Canadian.
No, I understand that. I was making a rhetorical point. You're making the same uninformed argument that was behind brexit.
Username checks out.
Ya both those prospects seem "Colonial"
Worth it.
Why not? I would vote yes to allow Canada into the EU.
I'm super jealous because I've wanted to have Canadian citizenship since back in my late teens / early adulthood when I realized that there was already a version of America that actually lived up to American ideals and which offered same-sex marriage as well as universal healthcare. That weed and apparently codeine are legal there make it so much more bittersweet.
The only people I've known personally to get citizenship are those who married a Canadian citizen. Which sucks for me because I'm already happily partnered and there's no way I'd give that up for anything, not even Canadian citizenship, awesome and appealing as it is.
Maybe if/when the US invades, if we fight for Canada they'll give us citizenship.
FWIW I obviously don’t have the power to approve that but I would certainly vote to make that a thing!
I had an American friend who married a Canadian. It took SO much work to get her permanent resident card, like a lawyer and everything.
Unfortunately, Canada has MAID, and also likes to deny healthcare to natives in the hopes that they will just die.
Fortunately, Canada has MAID. Unfortunately, Canada has MAID in place of meaningful care.
Shocking. Do you have a source for that?
https://academic.oup.com/intqhc/article/36/3/mzae089/7749614
https://www.canada.ca/en/public-health/services/reports-publications/health-promotion-chronic-disease-prevention-canada-research-policy-practice/vol-44-no-4-2024/indigenous-people-experiences-primary-health-care-canada-qualitative-systematic-review.html
Thank you so much for linking that! I really appreciate it. Usually a lot of people get mad when I ask for a source. I just wanna learn!
Legal marriage and having a life partner are not the same thing. I'll marry you and my partner will marry your partner, no big deal.
Yes please, I will vote to support this.
Can’t we just harvest the states that want to leave?
The EU 🇪🇺 is more than welcome to include Canada 🇨🇦 as the 28th member state 🤝
#28thnever51st
Any reasons why these two neighborhoods go against the grain? Are they the posh suburbs?
As someone from a South Jersey suburb of Philly: take me with you!
No, you guys know what you've done
When "the big one™" hits, can California join either of y'all?
Absolutely but only if you drop the Maga people off in Utah on the way out.
Wouldn’t mind it one bit
Washington, Oregon, and California as Canada’s 12th province. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Michigan, Ohio, and the northern 20% of Illinois and Indiana as the 13th.
Which is all part of the EU. Sign me up
I only hear Americans pitching this idea. Canada doesn't want any of the states haha
I'm Canadian, I don't hate the idea.
In any case, it's clear that the USA is less "United" these days.... It's more just ... The States of America now.
There's like a lot of shitty people even in those states. I love Washington but no thanks.
Wouldn’t need to stick exactly to the current state boundaries. Trim off the eastern parts of some of those states on the west coast. And get enough territory to fully encircle the Great Lakes, extended enough to include Minneapolis, Madison, Milwaukee, Chicago, all of Michigan, Cleveland, Pittsburgh, and parts of upstate New York.
Idk. I haven't met enough people from any of these states to have an opinion.
Well just look at how many of them voted for trump. People in canada would have never voted for that.
The sane ones of us who live in those states are desperate. Soory
At a minimum any states bordering Canada, including those bordering the 4 Great Lakes shared with Canada, should get a vote of which country to go with.
Pennsylvania is 100% included, and honestly if Indiana and Illinois go for it despite being on the “wrong” Great Lake, I’m not going to complain.
You can give us Buffalo any day. I love that city so much.
I (from yrp) would absolutely love this <3
Türkiye is gonna be pissed.
Türkiye needs to get rid of its Erdoğan problem then.
We have already rejected Morocco because of geographical reasons...
But Cyprus is already in. And really, how sure are we that was the real main reason?
Failing that, we'll just have to slum it with Norway and Switzerland.
Still have Australia and Israel so
Eurovision Song Contest, European Union, whats the difference?
It's the same picture.
Lol I wasn’t aware they applied to EU, fair call
Honestly do people think this we'll happen cause Brussels has already said no.
Brussels can suck my balls we'll wait 6 months and Strasbourg is in power ez bro
Back to supporting CANZUK then
Let the GOP force them to become a state. They'd get 2 senate seats and more electoral college votes and congressional seats than any other state. Just in time for the Dems to run on deannexing Canada.
I'm a bad feeling they'd Puerto Rico us
Territories are still citizens, who can vote when they reside in states. If 2-3% of Canada immigrated, that's 1 million people, which would shift the balance in a lot of places.
Of course, even if you shifted 10 seats in the Senate, the democrats would probably give republicans half the budget and let them write their own bills in the name of bipartisanship (again), and you'd quickly become as hopeless as the average american is in the democrats helping them.
Pretty please yes! I would love to leave to US for the EU. But that hop across the water is very difficult for me to afford.
Canada should totally call Trump's bluff. The GOP would lose their everloving shit at the prospect of another state the size and political leanings of California involved in US federal elections.
It would be amazing if Canada made a bunch of demands that would be seen as unreasonable. Like, demand that every Canadian province and territory be split in two, and each be admitted as it's own state. That would add 26 new states! There's no way the US would go for that. I'm American, I hate this administration and I have been to Canada many times. Anything that Canada can do to mess with these morons in office would be welcome.
I'd be happy if we could just join the EEA. I want to be able to work in the EU.
I think it is not that hard for you if you are a Canadian citizen. The language is the real problem.
It is as difficult for us as it is for an American. It's not very common to be able to get a work permit without an employer sponsoring you and most EU employers have enough selection in Europe they don't need people from North America.
I speak French (fluent), Spanish (good but not well enough for a formal workplace), and enough Danish to make myself understood
Is Canada having issues with sovereign autonomy? Why even sit at the table?
Don't all member states have to vote us in? Can't see that happening.
Especially with Hungary's russian asset in command (yeah, we also have a Trump in Europe...)
Orban has to vote for Canada. Why? His regime will be over in 14 days if he does not get the EU money. Orban's biggest rival is in first place according to the latest polls. If he wants to be re-elected, he cannot sabotage EU policy.
Another rich country paying membership fees. Why not? (Ignoring general bureaucratic problems)
As a Canadian, we promise to bring cake (and a shitload of natural resources) to the next meeting.
Fuck your cake. Fuck your natural resources. Fuck your bilungualism, affable manner, vast wildernesses and extensive waters. Keep them. We don't want them.
WE JUST WANT THE POUTINE.
K.
Would you like extra gravy with that?
Yes please. And cheese. And chips.
Sure, most will view it like that. But Hungary won't. Poland might not.
Get that CBDC in early so we are ready for their failed policies and quarterly bailout.
Make Commonwealth Imperial Again!