You know what's horrific and evil? Cutting Medicaid and social security for millions of people because your billions of dollars isn't enough money to make up for the fact that you're a giant man baby.
So, I had to look it up, and first grade in the US is children that are 6 to 7 year olds. Which means that oddly enough, Donald seems to have told something true in his biography.
Yeah, that is actually, legitimately, terrifying. It also shows how insulated from reality these people are. They haven't developed beyond being nasty schoolchildren becuase there was no impetus for them to.
Yeah I absolutely love the video made by some guy, I forget his name, but it basically lambasted the "Tesla tunnel" in Vegas because for the same amount of money or even less they could have built an actual Subway train.
Yeah, it'd be better just to cease their purchase and let them sit, completely useless. A burnt car gets an insurance payout. What about throwing those giant stickers on the windshield that don't peel off without ripping and leave a ridiculous mess? There was a Russian YouTube channel where people would do that to people driving on sidewalks.
I would agree normally, but at a larger scale, it would cost insurance more to replace everything leading to higher rates and possibly refusal of insurance due to the risk associated.
I thought Teslas (or maybe just the Cyber truck?) wasn't insurable. I thought that was the whole reason Tesla has to offer car insurance, because regular insurers won't cover them.
When the threat is credible, words are much more violent than burning a car, sheesh. You're being manipulated by your desire to be manly. What kind of weakling even cares about threats until the Nazis are at your doorstep, when you can simply fight them off with your big hairy penis.
Your self-driving Teslas literally drove a woman to the sea where it acted as her watery coffin, this was also the sister-in-law of a major Senator of the party YOU support
Can't imagine what they'd do to people you actually don't like.
I thought it was a pond on a ranch and she was drunk driving and the primary issue was the doors wouldn't open so she drowned in the car? There was also recently a Cybertruck that crashed and burst into flames and the doors wouldn't open so the teenagers inside were burned to death in what could have otherwise been a survivable crash.
The problem is the physical latch is hidden for esthetic purposes. So when something happens that cuts power to the main door release, it's not easy to find the physical latch.
So for liability purposes they get to argue that those people weren't locked in, they just didn't know the safely mechanisms well enough.
In other words, they're built to kill you and get away with it.
Yeah, I remember this at the time and while a lot of people were relishing the schadenfreude, there was still the perennial point that when UI/UX is any more difficult than it needs to be for a loathesome person, it's equally difficult for everyone else, too. And when that UI is repsonsible for fundamental safety and it's overcomplexity results in confusion during an emergency... well, yeah, there it is.
Apparently part of why they do that is because the window has to partially open for the door to open without damaging the window trim, because instead of having a frame around the window like most cars they needed to be different for *reasons*
not damaging a car, what he considers attacking his ego by damaging his worthless scrap heaps. Weight on the word his, as they remain his cars even if you pay for them. he can take control of them or do whatever so you literally can't even own a tesla, only suck up to musk.
I'm still not convinced that isn't just insurance fraud to try to recoup some money for junky cars no one wants while pretending he's a political victim.
He does think everyone is stupid. You should read the article his first wife wrote about him years ago. He called himself an Alpha among other cringey things during their wedding reception. EM has a superiority complex and bitches about weaponized empathy while weaponizing empathy by claiming to be a victim and, and his father allegedly put it, "retarded".
The funny thing is, he doesn't even feel it that much. His ownership of Tesla is peanuts compared to SpaceX, where the contracts with the government are. Just some food for taught 🤔
So what you are telling me, is that 37% of what he made till 2022 is from Tesla, yes, that is true, but if it fell from 75% to 37% in just 2 years and it most likely fell again till 2024, that amount has to been shrinking due to a larger summ of money coming from another investment with a bigger amount of shares. SpaceX started gaining more money with the starlink project and the governmental contracts, around 2019-2020 and who has the most shares in that company? Is Elon, today his wealth is not coming that much from Tesla, he still made money from it, but we are debating small stuff to what SpaceX represents to him.
While you are right the contracts with the governements are balancing the losses a bit, it's still a good chunk of his wealth, as it seems he has gone from $443 billion in december 2024 to $380 billion mid february, and I'll take whatever hurst this mf.
I went a bit far from the main subject, what I meant with "He doesn't feel it that much" is that it's not enough of pain for him, and SpaceX will be his saving grace to preserve his power. I should have been more precise
Edit: Plus, I was wrong, I should have researched it a bit more. Thanks for the info
The best thing about this is that Tesla is massively overvalued. Like, the stock price is more than 20x what it should be based on Tesla's earnings.
If Tesla had a reasonable value, then hedge fund managers and other rich people would probably be buying it while it was temporarily down and getting rich as it went back up. But, with it so insanely overvalued, it's much more likely they'll short it or buy put options and hope to get rich when it finally crashes.
Yes, it was at something like 30x overvalued, now it's only 20x overvalued.
Glad you mentioned Toyota. Their P/E ratio is approximately 7. Tesla is approximately 100. If Tesla were a well run car company with a lot of good vehicles and an anonymous CEO who nobody hates, the fair value of their stock would be about $14 per share. It's currently $236 per share.
Someone is going to make mountains of money shorting Tesla stock, but unfortunately it's going to be someone rich. The market can remain irrational much longer than normal people can remain solvent. Some rich dude is going to take the risk though and make out like a bandit.
How the hell do Elon and other oligarchs feel so safe to call for a literal civil war? He thinks the other side cares more about fighting Joe Bob more than the billionaires? Such strange delusional behavior
Historically, that is how elites have always maintained their power, so yes. It’s just a lot more difficult to 1) mobilize an overworked and comfort-seeking populace, and 2) we are more interconnected than ever before.
The power of propaganda is being seized by the people. We create the content. We cover current and localized events (in actual real time) because it’s our actual communities. We know who is who and what is what.
I think it's what we want too at this point though.
Serious question, what are we meant to do with all the die-hard Trumpers? Like there are people who are willing to kill for him, people who have gladly sacrificed their relationships with their friends and family for him. Even in the absolute fantasy world where the U.S. gov could be fixed via electoralism, we'd still have about a third of the country that is hungry to kill the other 2/3rds.
At this point it looks like our options are either re-education camps, or bloodshed.
I think it's a trap. I think liberal institutions need to actually unify and resources. Money talks. Nothing about that has changed. Buying out board seats within corporate media, flooding the zone with lawsuits, staging organized major protests around the country, continuing to press back on right wing controlled social media (e.g. Facebook and Twitter). Think of it like laying a sort of political and legal siege to slow them down and starve them out rather than giving them what they want. Will that work? I have no idea, but I know walking into a trap surely won't.
I don't understand how you guys down south are still asking this question? It's obvious to us up in Canada, how is it not clear to you that you are ALSO and probably even moreso going through an existential threat. Get prepared, be ready, start that now. I know we are.
maybe because it would be nice to avoid having our entire country kill each other? Maybe because all the people who have been brainwashed by our right-wing propoganda centers don't really deserve to die just because they were duped?
What, are we supposed to be happy that we're rapidly heading towards the bloodiest conflict America has ever seen, just full speed ahead on death and destruction? You think it's pointless to even try and care about the monumental loss of life?
I will say though, I've been suspicious he's had long standing plans to just dump Tesla at some point in the near future anyway. I'm hopeful the point he was planning to jump ship and sell off his stock has gotten beyond his control and he can't do it without majorly fucking himself over.
Aside from everything else he's done to get deeply involved in the oil and gas industry, what made me really suspicious was when DOGE removed all EV charging stations from federal buildings for not being "mission critical."
If he thinks civil war is necessary but doesn’t think corporations will be casualties… then what does he define as civil war? Where less important things die? you know, those umm.. soft gelatinous things. People, yes people are expendable.
This soft and gelatinous thing looks forward to a place to expend his umm, anger and frustration.
Elon has done some impressive things but his voice carry’s as much weight as the president. Even more. To call for civil war seems reckless and will stir up the MAGA side. So with all his money and power he isn’t able to form some kind of mediation between all parties. He could be a beacon of reason and peace with his immense wealth. Why choose this path so quickly.
The more I look into that, the more I question this.
He has has bought companies that have done impressive things and tarnished nearly to the point of ruin all but one of them.
He wasn't the brainchild behind any of these products; he was, at most, the person who convinced venture capitalists to invest and the one who bargained with lawmakers to allow them.
I'm increasingly seeing brilliant people who have dealt with him in person mentioning that he has quite sub-par reasoning skills, and we're seeing more and more of that in the news.
Well documented Elon literally hasn't done anything impressive. His whole thing is buying into other companies and claiming to be the inventor/founder.
America on all sides is woefully bad at bullshit detection. Anyone that constantly talks themselves up should be scrutinized relentlessly
You know what's horrific and evil? Cutting Medicaid and social security for millions of people because your billions of dollars isn't enough money to make up for the fact that you're a giant man baby.
"Defending freedom" when we bomb ! Terrorism when they bomb us!
He assumed his opponents would kill random people instead of targeting his property.
He probably can't even comprehend a worldview where people prefer to attack wealth over taking another human being's life.
That would require empathy, which he considers a weakness. So he probably is genuinely baffled by this.
I don't know if he consider that a weakness.
He's a narcissist and it's how they work, they just miss empathy and they can't recognize their errors.
He considers it a fundamental weakness of Western society.
Do you understand what he means with suicidial empathy?
That Gaad professor shows how deep is the rabbit hole Musk fell in. It seems like he follows any idiot who's is line with his own trip.
Has he even said 'Thank You' ONCE yet??? So ungrateful...
And he's not wearing a suit either
I'm not even joking.
https://theweek.com/speedreads/575962/donald-trump-tells-biographer-hes-same-now-first-grade
So, I had to look it up, and first grade in the US is children that are 6 to 7 year olds. Which means that oddly enough, Donald seems to have told something true in his biography.
Yeah, that is actually, legitimately, terrifying. It also shows how insulated from reality these people are. They haven't developed beyond being nasty schoolchildren becuase there was no impetus for them to.
I love that we have found a way to hurt him, keep it up.
Burning lithium batteries are explosive, toxic and released heavy metals.
There’s a limited supply of the materials for EVs and e-bikes but a huge value in replacing gas cars with these vehicles.
Burning these huge batteries harms people breathing the air in the area.
Yeah I absolutely love the video made by some guy, I forget his name, but it basically lambasted the "Tesla tunnel" in Vegas because for the same amount of money or even less they could have built an actual Subway train.
Probably "Adam Something"
Yep that's the one.
Yeah, it'd be better just to cease their purchase and let them sit, completely useless. A burnt car gets an insurance payout. What about throwing those giant stickers on the windshield that don't peel off without ripping and leave a ridiculous mess? There was a Russian YouTube channel where people would do that to people driving on sidewalks.
Bonus money and business for car detailers? Lol
I would agree normally, but at a larger scale, it would cost insurance more to replace everything leading to higher rates and possibly refusal of insurance due to the risk associated.
Their rates are already skyrocketing
I read that in snowcrash, didn't know it was a real thing.
I thought Teslas (or maybe just the Cyber truck?) wasn't insurable. I thought that was the whole reason Tesla has to offer car insurance, because regular insurers won't cover them.
Yeah, maybe. I didn't know that was a thing, but I believe it
Waaah, waaaah, waaah...!
Is this fucking concern trolling?
Time and place
More chemicals than a SpaceX launch?
We can be concerned about harm of all scales, not only there greatest harms.
And it's priorities like that is how we end up with paper straws and electric cars grinding up more microplastics from their tires that we inhale.
Fair point
Personally i think the level of violence could be a little higher still... Or way higher! Burning megafactories levels of higher.
Well, civil war levels of violence would be higher. Are you saying Elon was right lol?
"A sufficiently broken clock can randomly be right an arbitrary number of times per day".
If it happens to a poor defenseless megafactory outside the US is it still civil war?
Musk: "Civil War is Inevitable!"
People destroy his company's products.
Horrific and evil? Get the fuck outta here.
It would make my year if he cried live in an interview where it dawns on him that he's the cause of his own demise. But he's not smart enough.
He almost did actually. He was in an interview a little while ago where he was moments away from tears.
So what you're saying is step up the protest.
That should be the course of action no matter if Musk is crying or not.
Sow wind, harvest storm.
Property damage is not violence, say it with me now
"it with me now"
What I meant to say was that you're wrong. Destruction is violent any way you cut it.
Don't spout dumb shit so quickly.
Ask AI if destroying someone else's private property is a violent act.
"Say it with me now"
Ew god... I don't know why I torture myself like this.
Ah yes, the all knowing AI lmfao
I destroyed my toilet this morning. Am I violent?
Destruction of property isn't violence, but words are?
This gets a screenshot.
Who said words are?
Oh, you're just a fucking moron. Gotcha.
Get triggered more, snowflake
Which half of that are you confused about?
Between this and sharing screenshots to giggle about internet people, you sound like a teenager.
When the threat is credible, words are much more violent than burning a car, sheesh. You're being manipulated by your desire to be manly. What kind of weakling even cares about threats until the Nazis are at your doorstep, when you can simply fight them off with your big hairy penis.
Come at me scrublord I'm ripped
Uhhhhh I don't recall saying that
Your self-driving Teslas literally drove a woman to the sea where it acted as her watery coffin, this was also the sister-in-law of a major Senator of the party YOU support
Can't imagine what they'd do to people you actually don't like.
I thought it was a pond on a ranch and she was drunk driving and the primary issue was the doors wouldn't open so she drowned in the car? There was also recently a Cybertruck that crashed and burst into flames and the doors wouldn't open so the teenagers inside were burned to death in what could have otherwise been a survivable crash.
The problem is the physical latch is hidden for esthetic purposes. So when something happens that cuts power to the main door release, it's not easy to find the physical latch.
So for liability purposes they get to argue that those people weren't locked in, they just didn't know the safely mechanisms well enough.
In other words, they're built to kill you and get away with it.
Yeah, I remember this at the time and while a lot of people were relishing the schadenfreude, there was still the perennial point that when UI/UX is any more difficult than it needs to be for a loathesome person, it's equally difficult for everyone else, too. And when that UI is repsonsible for fundamental safety and it's overcomplexity results in confusion during an emergency... well, yeah, there it is.
Apparently part of why they do that is because the window has to partially open for the door to open without damaging the window trim, because instead of having a frame around the window like most cars they needed to be different for *reasons*
He didn't mean for it to affect him, his share prices, or his job!
not damaging a car, what he considers attacking his ego by damaging his worthless scrap heaps. Weight on the word his, as they remain his cars even if you pay for them. he can take control of them or do whatever so you literally can't even own a tesla, only suck up to musk.
Seems a shame to waste the batteries though.
Slashing tyres is probably more eco friendly.
"Vandalise Responsibly" isn't advice I ever thought I'd have to consider but I can't say I oppose it either.
I'm still not convinced that isn't just insurance fraud to try to recoup some money for junky cars no one wants while pretending he's a political victim.
Good luck getting that proven in a court
Does any of court even matter anymore when the president is in your back pocket?
Exactly
I like it when Nazi man-children cry.
Just cry?
He does think everyone is stupid. You should read the article his first wife wrote about him years ago. He called himself an Alpha among other cringey things during their wedding reception. EM has a superiority complex and bitches about weaponized empathy while weaponizing empathy by claiming to be a victim and, and his father allegedly put it, "retarded".
Does anyone else think the "happening in my town of (insert town name here)" is a bot account he set up to blow up small isolated incidents?
Their handle "Elizabeth for NV" would suggest that they might be a politician or political candidate
Or a bot that's been optimized to operate in the "NV" region
The funny thing is, he doesn't even feel it that much. His ownership of Tesla is peanuts compared to SpaceX, where the contracts with the government are. Just some food for taught 🤔
? ~60% of his wealth is estimated to be in Tesla shares
His net worth is definitely affected by Tesla shares declining
No, it actually ~13% while on SpaceX being the owner he has a share of ~42%
It's not what they were talking about though. They said tesla shares were 60% of his wealth, not that he owned 60% of tesla.
I can't find the actual number but it looks like tesla shares were 75% of his wealth in 2020, and fell to 37% in 2022 when he sold some.
So it's definitely hurting him
So what you are telling me, is that 37% of what he made till 2022 is from Tesla, yes, that is true, but if it fell from 75% to 37% in just 2 years and it most likely fell again till 2024, that amount has to been shrinking due to a larger summ of money coming from another investment with a bigger amount of shares. SpaceX started gaining more money with the starlink project and the governmental contracts, around 2019-2020 and who has the most shares in that company? Is Elon, today his wealth is not coming that much from Tesla, he still made money from it, but we are debating small stuff to what SpaceX represents to him.
Well the subject originally was that Tesla's drop was hurting elon, to which you said "he doesn't feel it that much".
By doing a quick search, I found that his spaceX shares are worth around $147 billion, while is tesla shares are worth around $98 billion. You are right that spaceX represents more, but it's not small stuff. And to stay on topic, it seems like the value of his Tesla stock and options has declined by nearly $102 billion since the beginning of the year, which I think is not small even for him.
While you are right the contracts with the governements are balancing the losses a bit, it's still a good chunk of his wealth, as it seems he has gone from $443 billion in december 2024 to $380 billion mid february, and I'll take whatever hurst this mf.
I went a bit far from the main subject, what I meant with "He doesn't feel it that much" is that it's not enough of pain for him, and SpaceX will be his saving grace to preserve his power. I should have been more precise
Edit: Plus, I was wrong, I should have researched it a bit more. Thanks for the info
I definitely agree with you when you say it's not enough !
The best thing about this is that Tesla is massively overvalued. Like, the stock price is more than 20x what it should be based on Tesla's earnings.
If Tesla had a reasonable value, then hedge fund managers and other rich people would probably be buying it while it was temporarily down and getting rich as it went back up. But, with it so insanely overvalued, it's much more likely they'll short it or buy put options and hope to get rich when it finally crashes.
Yes, it was at something like 30x overvalued, now it's only 20x overvalued.
Glad you mentioned Toyota. Their P/E ratio is approximately 7. Tesla is approximately 100. If Tesla were a well run car company with a lot of good vehicles and an anonymous CEO who nobody hates, the fair value of their stock would be about $14 per share. It's currently $236 per share.
Someone is going to make mountains of money shorting Tesla stock, but unfortunately it's going to be someone rich. The market can remain irrational much longer than normal people can remain solvent. Some rich dude is going to take the risk though and make out like a bandit.
How the hell do Elon and other oligarchs feel so safe to call for a literal civil war? He thinks the other side cares more about fighting Joe Bob more than the billionaires? Such strange delusional behavior
Historically, that is how elites have always maintained their power, so yes. It’s just a lot more difficult to 1) mobilize an overworked and comfort-seeking populace, and 2) we are more interconnected than ever before.
The power of propaganda is being seized by the people. We create the content. We cover current and localized events (in actual real time) because it’s our actual communities. We know who is who and what is what.
We brought him a little taste of civil war. He's just mad he's on the losing side.
It's what they want. They are gambling on it.
They are going to do it from within Canada, just like they've done elsewhere. That infection already exists in Canada. Just hope it doesn't spread.
I think it's what we want too at this point though.
Serious question, what are we meant to do with all the die-hard Trumpers? Like there are people who are willing to kill for him, people who have gladly sacrificed their relationships with their friends and family for him. Even in the absolute fantasy world where the U.S. gov could be fixed via electoralism, we'd still have about a third of the country that is hungry to kill the other 2/3rds.
At this point it looks like our options are either re-education camps, or bloodshed.
I think it's a trap. I think liberal institutions need to actually unify and resources. Money talks. Nothing about that has changed. Buying out board seats within corporate media, flooding the zone with lawsuits, staging organized major protests around the country, continuing to press back on right wing controlled social media (e.g. Facebook and Twitter). Think of it like laying a sort of political and legal siege to slow them down and starve them out rather than giving them what they want. Will that work? I have no idea, but I know walking into a trap surely won't.
I don't understand how you guys down south are still asking this question? It's obvious to us up in Canada, how is it not clear to you that you are ALSO and probably even moreso going through an existential threat. Get prepared, be ready, start that now. I know we are.
maybe because it would be nice to avoid having our entire country kill each other? Maybe because all the people who have been brainwashed by our right-wing propoganda centers don't really deserve to die just because they were duped?
What, are we supposed to be happy that we're rapidly heading towards the bloodiest conflict America has ever seen, just full speed ahead on death and destruction? You think it's pointless to even try and care about the monumental loss of life?
Homie, you need to mentally prepare for the equivalent of what people went through during WWII.
Insurance fraud
😭🎻
https://www.marinelink.com/news/elon-musks-firm-buys-two-offshore-rigs-484690
https://www.worldoil.com/news/2021/1/25/elon-musk-s-gas-drilling-plans-in-texas-meet-legal-resistance
https://www.forbes.com/sites/cyrusfarivar/2025/03/17/power-hungry-ai-data-centers-seek-more-quick-and-dirty-mobile-gas-turbines/
https://www.npr.org/2024/09/11/nx-s1-5088134/elon-musk-ai-xai-supercomputer-memphis-pollution
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I will say though, I've been suspicious he's had long standing plans to just dump Tesla at some point in the near future anyway. I'm hopeful the point he was planning to jump ship and sell off his stock has gotten beyond his control and he can't do it without majorly fucking himself over.
Aside from everything else he's done to get deeply involved in the oil and gas industry, what made me really suspicious was when DOGE removed all EV charging stations from federal buildings for not being "mission critical."
https://gizmodo.com/u-s-government-removing-ev-chargers-from-all-federal-buildings-because-they-are-not-mission-critical-2000566987
“Oh no, the consequences of my actions!”
Thoughts and prayers.
Who is Elizabeth helgelien?
Who cares, we know in which asshole her tongue is and that’s all that matters.
If he thinks civil war is necessary but doesn’t think corporations will be casualties… then what does he define as civil war? Where less important things die? you know, those umm.. soft gelatinous things. People, yes people are expendable.
This soft and gelatinous thing looks forward to a place to expend his umm, anger and frustration.
Elon has done some impressive things but his voice carry’s as much weight as the president. Even more. To call for civil war seems reckless and will stir up the MAGA side. So with all his money and power he isn’t able to form some kind of mediation between all parties. He could be a beacon of reason and peace with his immense wealth. Why choose this path so quickly.
Because MAGA doesn't respect discourse, only shows of strength no matter how sloppy or feeble
MAGA is also under the false impression that liberals don't own guns.
The more I look into that, the more I question this.
He has has bought companies that have done impressive things and tarnished nearly to the point of ruin all but one of them.
He wasn't the brainchild behind any of these products; he was, at most, the person who convinced venture capitalists to invest and the one who bargained with lawmakers to allow them.
I'm increasingly seeing brilliant people who have dealt with him in person mentioning that he has quite sub-par reasoning skills, and we're seeing more and more of that in the news.
Well documented Elon literally hasn't done anything impressive. His whole thing is buying into other companies and claiming to be the inventor/founder.
America on all sides is woefully bad at bullshit detection. Anyone that constantly talks themselves up should be scrutinized relentlessly
What did he think was going to happen?
Like everyone down there, they feel it will happen to everyone else, not them.
Common Sense Skeptic's videos sure are fun to watch again.
He fuck around, and he's now of the find out phase