Mississippi Passes Bill Banning Lab-Grown Meat
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"free market" republicans strike again
Freedom is when the government tells you what you're allowed to buy (assuming it passes safety standards, anyway)
What safety standards? Those are getting the ax, too
No if you don't want to take vaccinations or safe your guns that is up to you, security be damned
I think Desantis did this in Florida and since no one stopped it now it will traverse every red state slowly
Just like Measles.
Why are Republicans always wrong about literally everything? Oh, that's right. Faith-based belief system instead of a reality-based belief system.
Protecting their ridiculous regressive views of how the west was
wonexploited via cattle and oil. They all want to protect their landowners that control huge chunks of farm and grazing land, and a significant chunk of that land is used to feed cattle. Get rid of the need to feed and raise cattle and Big Donors might be upset.I only want my meat to be raised by a cow on a feedlot while covered in manure and constantly smelling so awful, I would gag if I ever went. Then I want that cow's greatest mental stimulation to be the one time he climbed on top of the 1 meter pile of manure and could see further than any other cow, and then proceed to stick his head back into the giant trough of corn that's been pre-mixed with antibiotics because corn is not a natural food source for cows. That's what meat is supposed to be, as god intended.
Let's drink swill milk [Wikipedia] to that.
What the absolute fuck.
sounds like the people owning these 'farms' actively try their hardest with all their might to be as evil as possible
Thank goodness we're firing all those wasteful government bureaucrats, who were adding red tape and keeping businesses from innovating. Soon things will be great again, like in the 1850...
Aaahhh the good ol' 1850 to which the Republican party surely will return us by next year where rich assholes can destroy the world for an extra dollar
Just an FYI: In Florida (at least) a similar bill was passed not because of any concerns about lab-grown meat but because loads and loads of rich people keep small amounts of cattle on their property which gives them massive property tax breaks (money that most of these counties desperately need). There's literally over a million cows living like cow kings in Florida.
I get what you're saying about factory farms but I just wanted to point out the truth: While those conditions are common for other farm animals I'm not aware of it being that common for cows (in the US) 🤷
As far as I know the factory farms that are like that are all related to poultry and swine (the people that run them).
While cows are not factory farmed at the same rate as other farm animals, over 70% are raised in factory farms (in the US).
Source (they used USDA data): https://www.sentienceinstitute.org/us-factory-farming-estimates
The Party of the Free Market and Small Government
Leave it to one of the lowest education scoring states, that most folks actively flee, to do some dumb shit.
https://tapintoindustry.com/target-industries/food-manufacturing/
Mmmhmm. Looks like Mississippi has a cattle rancher industry association. One would imagine that that group isn't too keen on competition from meat from a lab.
https://www.mscattlemen.org/
From the article:
Sounds like Mr. Gipson isn't too keen on that lab-grown meat either. First is was just labeling, and now it's outright banning.
Let's look into Andy Gipson's biography!
https://www.mdac.ms.gov/agency-info/about-andy-gipson/
Uh huh.
Well, now, there's a coincidence. He happens to be part of the industry and the industry advocacy association that he's regulating. Sure is a small world!
Lab-grown meat killed my mom...true story, lab-grown meat broke into her house and stabbed her 957 times with a fork.
Lab grown meat turned me into a newt
You're lucky, this is the 8th time lab-grown meat has killed my mother. I hope you got better.
It got better.
We all know that Mississippi is one of the most rational states, so I'm sure they aren't letting their stupid religious beliefs drive their science. /s
Science?! That's a devil word!
"How can we throttle evolution?"
"Hold my beer"
Hold my bear. 🧸
Probably from its original birth certificate.
Yeah, gotta keep slaughtering innocent animals. That's the Murican way!
I swear the US Republicans are against anything good, literally they are biblical levels of evil.
Looks like anything that would be an improvement for people and humanity in general is severely frowned upon in some places.
well, if rich people loose money it's bad for everyone... right? /s
Highly processed food is bad for you I've heard. Some people even want to ban most breakfast cereal.
Ban 75% of the grocery store, leave only meat, produce, and spices
... Big Meat?
You called?
republicans chasing ghosts, episode 2137
outside of silicon valley marketing materials, lab-grown meat is ridiculously expensive or straight up doesn't exist. deer has immune system, grasshopper has immune system, stainless steel reactor full of cell suspension doesn't. in order to prevent entire batch turning into mold or something, every starting material has to be pharma-grade and every operation has to be performed in sterile technique. it's all fine for products like insulin or vaccines where single dose fits easily in sub-mg range, but if you try to price meat like this, it won't be ever competitive for this reason alone.
but it gets worse, because people who try to do that are some random techbros without engineering background. strangely enough, this doesn't matter, because every enterprise of this kind just rides on VC money. predictably, they burn it all. as long as you can attract it, things are good and for that all you need is good pitch. We'll solve single cell meat with nanotechnology! We'll solve single cell meat with 3d-printing! We'll solve single cell meat with blockchain! We'll solve single-cell meat with chatbots!
if you believe these people, world is simple and future is bright. i know many of you all on lemmy do.
i'll say more: these people are selling imagined future where you can save the world in some measure (go vegan), and you don't have to give up anything in the process (eating meat), as long as you Buy Our Product! then there are credulous marks primed for luxurious gay space consumerism, but magic tech that allows for it is just beyond the corner, then they disappear. but people still believe, and are disappointed when they have to make even tiny sacrifice on their own. newsflash dipshit: future won't be convenient
That's an overly negative take. Yes, there are serious challenges to the production of lab-grown meat; Wikipedia provides a good summary. This isn't a business that's ready to take off soon. But humans who are actually smart and do know what they're doing are working to solve these things.
The challenges are serious, and anyone telling you "world is simple and future is bright" about the future of this industry, yeah, that's bullshit. I've never heard anyone say that, and I don't know where you heard that from. It might never be a viable industry. But it's not just a gimmick to keep fleecing VC investors.
it's not a business, it's a set of startup pitches for people who believe in californian ideology. you'll make a great vc, never let reality and limitations of physics and biology get in way of your plans
It would be cool if the could grow an immune system too
we don't even know how little we know about finer details of immunology
but you know that? go and sell this idea somewhere in bay area. it doesn't matter if it's all wishful thinking, i won't stop you, and maybe you'll get to meet Elizabeth Holmes
Sweet can’t wait to be on Forbes 30 by 30
that's the spirit
what I find silly about going "vegan" is that it's roughly 5% of the US population. Let's say you boost it to 10% with all the posturing about saving the planet. Getting 50% of the population to half their meat consumption would have 5x the impact.
Trump utterly destroying the US's economy may very well be the best thing for global warming. No one will be able to afford meat. It's rice and beans for everyone!
It might push back the electric/sustainable transition
yeah it's maximalist and in some ways impractical, not to mention some other considerations like carbon emissions
Yes, it’s all about the collective power of people.
Let's add a side of animal cruelty to all of the racism and bigotry.
Mississippi always has toilet paper stuck to its shoe.
Opposition to lab grown meat is surprisingly popular. Normies get really creeped out about it unfortunately.
Fuck the normies. I would never, say, hide milk in a vegan's food. But I would 100% serve these idiots lab meat and tell them about it later.
Yeah I'm all about consent for what you consume but I would love to feed some people an impossible burger or a vegan "chicken" sandwich and see if they could really tell the difference.
For what reason? The last time a checked lab meat cost 3 thousand dollars per Kilo. Because it is still experimental. It is not like you can buy it in the supermarket.
Oh, cool. I'm sure this is exactly what the voters needed.
Mississippi God Damn.
https://12ft.io/https://www.wired.com/story/mississippi-bans-lab-grown-meat/
Freedom
Cheap guilt free meat built to whatever fat percentage you want will fail to sell?
Well you enjoy your $50/lbs wagu, and I'll enjoy exactly the same quality at $3/lbs.
I mean there's a difference between normal steak and wagu too.
Like at my Walmart steak is selling for ~$10/lbs, and ground beef is like $6 or $7 per pound. Right now beyond ground beef is selling for ~$11/lbs.
And it doesn't taste the same. So you will actually have to hit that $3/lbs mark your talking about before it becomes a good option. Because pork chops are already only $4/lbs
But it inevitably will become that cheap, as your steak and pork become infinitely, exponentially more expensive over time.
We're already massively subsidizing meat production and we're entirely ignoring the majority of meats costs in calculating prices.
Those costs are going to keep getting higher, however, and those subsidies won't be able to last even in a wealthy monetary issues country like the US. Unless you completely abandon capitalism, real beef isnt going to be a thing for middle class or poor people within 20 years, and it won't be a thing period within a hundred.
However the tech to print meat will get smaller and cheaper over time and the seed ingredients are already cheaper than the land maintenance and feed for real livestock. Hell it's cheaper than most inputs for anything except corn and wheat. There will be a time in the next few decades where middle class people in smart countries will have a meat printer at home to make whatever they want for dinner and shopping for meat will be too prohibitively expensive for anyone but the rich.
Climate change is already causing crop failures and water distribution fights, and quite frankly the meat industry doesn't have enough money to fight the climate on this issue.
lab-grown meat is a dead end grift and you should have known better. unless you think that prices in range of $10k/kg are sustainable and affordable, that is, or maybe you live in world of sfba announcements. this article is from 2021 https://web.archive.org/web/20241208141305/https://thecounter.org/lab-grown-cultivated-meat-cost-at-scale/
First, that article literally says the process engineering analysis that paints a very dire picture of the scalability of cultured meat is difficult to find, so maybe cool it on "you should have known better." However, it also is clear that there are A LOT of technical hurdles to overcome for lab meat, but it's no more dead end than fusion research. It's an important, arguably vital, area of study and research that needs to be seriously invested in so that we can one day introduce it to the toolkit of sustainable support for human society and life. While your sources have convinced me that lab meat is currently nowhere near scalable and likely will take significant developments in the culture process and even meat cells, I think your aggressive and extremely skeptical take on its value at all is more than a bit silly.
fusion at least doesn't require breaking laws of thermodynamics to work and has stable funding from militaries of nations that field nuclear weapons. funding for synthetic meat depends on what bad scifi current oligarchs were fans of 30 years ago
I'm not so sure; I seem to remember lots of things that were dismissed as not worthy of thinking about, won't have any effect on culture, etc.
I'm not saying the claims of "techbros" are to be taken without evidence, I'm saying going maximalist "it will never happen" is quite a take. I've heard that about self-driving cars and AI. These things are also not all the way there yet (certainly not AGI), but to dismiss them out of hand? I would never bet on that, and the fact is both are already seeing their impacts.