Virtually no one here likes Erdogan whatsoever, but our interests in relation to Ukraine and weakening USA/Russia aligns in this particular case. Turkey is a large country that actually borders the EU and has the largest non-European diaspora living here; keeping somwhat cood relations makes sense, even if I'd never want to see them join the Union and know we can never fully trust them.
As we lost our biggest ally, trading with another large country with a significant military makes perfect sense. Besides, Turkish food is actually great, especially compared to murican trash
Well, seeing as it's written in German: Germany's and Austria's largest national minorities are Turks. Estimates are tough, but at least 3 million people (probably more like 5 million) in Germany have Turkish 'migrationshintergrund' and up to 500 000 people in Austria. Many have been there since the early 1960s, and, although it hasn't been all smooth sailing, Turkish culture and food has a significant place in both countries. So with that in mind I think this choice makes sense. Mexican food is lovely imo, but Germans don't have particular ties to the culture, people or food. (Not to mention the fact that whenever there's "Mexican" food in Europe broadly it's a watered-down version of tex-mex, which I do still like anyway)
He is a million times better than Trump and has far far less blood on his hands than either Trump or Biden
Turkiye isn't engaging in economic warfare against Europe
Turkiye welcomed Syrian and Ukrainian refugees escaping the wars
Turkiye supports Ukraine in various ways such as drones
Turkiye is a Muslim country as well as a European country, so it is in an odd place to be but also bridges both worlds.
Edit: I know about the Kurds, I am from the Middle East. Turkiye had a history of racist nationalism that Erdogan actually campaigns against. Turkiye and Erdogan are not angels or innocent but are a far lesser evil than many others.
Turkiye also has a large military industry looking to sell to the EU, a large military, and wants control over the black sea (which involves weakening Russia), and wants to be as friendly to the EU as possible to eventually get that coveted EU membership.
Yeah, an opportunistic authoritarian, but a useful one in this dire emergency.
I would be surprised if they didn't already done that, seeing how prolific is their movie production series
(Since a couple years TV channels in my European country are broadcasting dozens and dozens Turkish tv series dubbed in local language, and my country has no ties with Turkey, only 0.3% of the immigrants are Turkish)
No. I just looked it up, it is "Eti Nero”. In the past it had an unfortunate name if you are in an English-speaking country. Though I don't think the rebrand is any less unfortunate.
I'm imagining peanut butter, BBQ sauce, pumpkin pie filling, and maybe a few breakfast foods like cream of wheat. Not all of our foods are terrible nightmares, they're just either available in different aisles or not super popular to justify being everywhere.
The intersection of "American", "novelty" and "popular enough to import but not enough to fully stock" is probably mostly candy, pop tarts and Lucky charms.
The last time trump was around and pulled this type of shit peanut butter was one of the things people had issues with, since the US produces a lot of peanuts and peanut butter.
I'm German and I suspect it's a bit cringier than that. Out of the products you listed peanut butter is the only one that's available virtually everywhere. You can get all of the other stuff as well but mostly online or at dedicated candy shops. The only other item I can think of is Jack Daniel's and probably some other spirits. So what was sold in the US section? The answer is probably German made stuff that's stereotypically American. This may include spray cheese, creatively flavored bbq sauces, other condiments like relish, brioche burger and hot dog buns, cookies, brownies, muffins, donuts and my favorite because you guys don't even eat that: actual plastic buckets filled with sweet popcorn.
Heh, fair enough. I took a look at some pictures of US grocery sections at European stores and applied the huristic of:
if it's there, it's not super popular.
If I would buy it regularly, chances are a European would too, just not as many, see point one.
if it's awful it's being sold as an amusing novelty.
if I wouldn't buy it often but I recognize it's American it's a fun novelty or comfort food for the homesick.
Based on that metric, I concluded there was a contingent of Europeans who viewed American peanut butter, BBQ sauce and hot porridge as superior enough to justify spending extra on. That spray cheese was correctly regarded as a disgusting novelty, and that pop tarts, lucky charms and marshmallow fluff are noveltys that are "fine".
Wouldn't have expected you to put relish there though! I kinda figured that was one everyone had that they tweaked a little for regional taste, like mustard.
Besides the stuff people already listed, I know sections like this here in Germany, and they often (not always) just have "American style" products - basically some weird hybrids of what a European imagines America to be like, but for European palates. So I bet - unless this was a section with true import stuff - any American would be confused why they never heard of any of these products.
Well the fact that, no fewer than 3 times, the Great British Bake-off judges have said something to the effect of “Wow! Your combination of peanuts and jam is a brilliant and unique flavor!” has taught me that maybe we really do have something to share with the world.
American living in Portugal here. The only things from home I buy with any regularity are peanut butter (the crunchy kind) and bourbon. Pretty much everything else has an EU-made equivalent with way less scary sounding chemicals on the ingredient list.
i never tried almond, or cashew butter, theres also powdered peanut butter these are usually sold at more bougie stores though. ive seen sunflower and macademia butter too.
We have oreos here in Australia, but they're probably manufactured somewhere in Asia by am American conglomerate in the same way the rest of our confectionery is.
What is it called when you're actually proud of seeing your country exposed as the tyrannical monster you've always known it to be, are happy to see other nations no longer kissing its ass, and desire nothing more than for the rulers of the nation to fall and suffer as you have?
It's this weird Reverse Patriotism I'm filled with
Happiness at the misfortune of others? No... not really. I'm not happy that other people are suffering, I'm happy that people have accurately identified the source of their suffering.
It's called being an anti imperialist that lives in the imperial core. Next start listening to some Michael Parenti. Sadly it's taken the US directing it's imperialism at western countries to wake up to it. But better late than never.
You ever wondered why there are so many Turks in Germany? They rebuilt this country and to this day they are an important and sizeable part of society.
The other one was just a self-serving payout to gather Allies for their Cold War.
You probably don't like s'mores, either. They would be the other reason for marshmallows, I assume. Especially anywhere there's likely to be a campfire.
1.Roast or boil your yams/sweet potatoes until soft. If you buy canned, they'll already be very sweet, so taste before you add anything.
2.Discard the skins, and chop/mash the insides with butter, salt, pepper, brown sugar, cinnamon, and orange juice or milk (not both!) until you like the texture and taste.
3.Spread the mixture in a flattish oven-safe serving dish and arrange marshmallows on top. It can now go into the fridge until the turkey is out of the oven.
4.Before serving, put into a hot oven until they're hot and the marshmallows are puffed and toasted.
You CAN obviously make them without the marshmallows, but then it's just a vegetable, not a festive treat of childhood memories.
I'm willing to grant, however, that in a grocery store the aisles could be interpreted as the areas where the shoppers and employees stroll, around a very organized archipelago of shelving islands/isles stacked with merchandise.
I get your point, but maybe the shelves are more like big cliff-sided mountainous isles. Think Dover or Gibraltar.
For the metaphor, not the grammar of course.
I would totally agree that, for example, I would go to Aisle 4 for bread. And the sign saying 4 would indicate the shelves, not the aisle where I'm standing.
I’d say while it’s a fine sentiment, Turkey isn’t really the best choice as far as being a hybrid regime ruled by the same guy for decades. Good food though.
helva is a bit on the sweet side (read: potentially heart attack inducing) as far as I'm concerned, but each to their own. The hearty foods however... <3
This "buy european" campaign sound like nationalistic bullshit to me. Here you are replacing american products with products from a country ruled by a dictator.
Maybe a bit but Europe is not a country. Also these products don't get any special treatment from the governments so this movement is fuelled by the people, for better or worse
It's not american, it's divided states of american - there's actual countries in America, unlike the divided states ruled by a fascist silicon valley elite with a puppet in the white house
Erdoğan is a totalitarian, but there's a higher chance for him to be defeated in elections (and him giving up power) than for the Republinazis.
Turkish people - including those who voted for the totalitarian leader - are absolutely more likable than MAGA dipshits.
good, probably much tastier too
maybe even healthier.
Fixed that for you. Anything is healthier than American "food". Even British foods, possibly.
As an American, British food is healthier, yes. Most of the time I'm eating import food because of how gross American products are.
more variety too, americans have very bland taste buds.
Wait until they hear about Erdogan.
Virtually no one here likes Erdogan whatsoever, but our interests in relation to Ukraine and weakening USA/Russia aligns in this particular case. Turkey is a large country that actually borders the EU and has the largest non-European diaspora living here; keeping somwhat cood relations makes sense, even if I'd never want to see them join the Union and know we can never fully trust them.
As we lost our biggest ally, trading with another large country with a significant military makes perfect sense. Besides, Turkish food is actually great, especially compared to murican trash
Totally get that, and I won't ever make any false equivalence or both-sides arguments.
I was just surprised they went with Turkish instead of, say, Mexican or Spanish, or another country not as problematic.
Well, seeing as it's written in German: Germany's and Austria's largest national minorities are Turks. Estimates are tough, but at least 3 million people (probably more like 5 million) in Germany have Turkish 'migrationshintergrund' and up to 500 000 people in Austria. Many have been there since the early 1960s, and, although it hasn't been all smooth sailing, Turkish culture and food has a significant place in both countries. So with that in mind I think this choice makes sense. Mexican food is lovely imo, but Germans don't have particular ties to the culture, people or food. (Not to mention the fact that whenever there's "Mexican" food in Europe broadly it's a watered-down version of tex-mex, which I do still like anyway)
Turkiye is a Muslim country as well as a European country, so it is in an odd place to be but also bridges both worlds.
Edit: I know about the Kurds, I am from the Middle East. Turkiye had a history of racist nationalism that Erdogan actually campaigns against. Turkiye and Erdogan are not angels or innocent but are a far lesser evil than many others.
He literally blocks all new NATO membership and you claim he has no blood on his hands?
Edit: and I assume he has finally taken action towards earthquake building safety? Or is that still just god’s will?
Edit2: funny that you have time to talk to me about cookie flavors but pretend these questions don’t exist
Yeah that commenter has an agenda.
You didn't mention the Kurds. Turkey's action towards Kurds is one of the main reasons to dislike Turkey.
It’s not making headlines but Kurds and Turkiye stroke the biggest peace deal over the last month. PKK agreed to dissolve itself.
I’ve seen a headline about this but then again we seem to be living in a very busy time for the headlines industry
Interesting thanks.
I'm sorry but all the campaigning in the world doesn't matter when he can't stop the oppression of Kurds as the leader of his country.
ITT: people ignoring the genocides they've committed, while pointing out other's
also, turkiye seems to be on the verge of working things out with ocalan and the kurds, which is impressive
Turkey is a secular land, and fuck you and your Ergodan apologia
Pretty ironic, considering that Turkey under Erdogan is just as close to dictatorship as the US under Trump...
Turkiye also has a large military industry looking to sell to the EU, a large military, and wants control over the black sea (which involves weakening Russia), and wants to be as friendly to the EU as possible to eventually get that coveted EU membership.
Yeah, an opportunistic authoritarian, but a useful one in this dire emergency.
So you're fine when authoritarianism benefits you ?? I am learning more & more
Yes, we do, as does anyone who lives in the real world.
I would like to see everyone stop eating anything Italian just because we have a literal fascist running the government.
I'll do it...
Nickname checks out for no respect to own and others' quality of life.
Everyone knows Randian economics is all about self denial and standing up to fascists for the betterment of global society.
You are being sarcastic, right?
Beggars can't be choosers. There are not enough democracies around to ally oneself just with those
There is a huge Turkish population in Germany, that seems to be the most probable reason.
I'm scared of the spin angle from a Turkish knockoff The Boys.
It might unironically be more in line with the comics though.
I would be surprised if they didn't already done that, seeing how prolific is their movie production series
(Since a couple years TV channels in my European country are broadcasting dozens and dozens Turkish tv series dubbed in local language, and my country has no ties with Turkey, only 0.3% of the immigrants are Turkish)
Türklündar
What food from the USA would anyone in Europe actually want? Genuine question.
Oreos
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMkYw4dp_NI&t=4
We have Domino cookies from Finland that are better anyways
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domino_%28cookie%29?wprov=sfla1
Or Ringo biscuits in Italy. Muuuuch better.
Thats one way to describe them
Excuse you, it’s sweetened orangutan habitat.
There's a Turkish alternative that actually tastes better. I keep forgetting the brand name though.
Are you thinking of Hydrox? (Which actually invented the cookie that Oreo stole.)
No. I just looked it up, it is "Eti Nero”. In the past it had an unfortunate name if you are in an English-speaking country. Though I don't think the rebrand is any less unfortunate.
Yeah, no. Those things are really an acquired taste.
I'm imagining peanut butter, BBQ sauce, pumpkin pie filling, and maybe a few breakfast foods like cream of wheat. Not all of our foods are terrible nightmares, they're just either available in different aisles or not super popular to justify being everywhere.
The intersection of "American", "novelty" and "popular enough to import but not enough to fully stock" is probably mostly candy, pop tarts and Lucky charms.
https://www.thetimes.com/article/us-trade-war-german-peanut-butter-lovers-feel-crunch-q55bs3r8t
The last time trump was around and pulled this type of shit peanut butter was one of the things people had issues with, since the US produces a lot of peanuts and peanut butter.
I'm German and I suspect it's a bit cringier than that. Out of the products you listed peanut butter is the only one that's available virtually everywhere. You can get all of the other stuff as well but mostly online or at dedicated candy shops. The only other item I can think of is Jack Daniel's and probably some other spirits. So what was sold in the US section? The answer is probably German made stuff that's stereotypically American. This may include spray cheese, creatively flavored bbq sauces, other condiments like relish, brioche burger and hot dog buns, cookies, brownies, muffins, donuts and my favorite because you guys don't even eat that: actual plastic buckets filled with sweet popcorn.
Heh, fair enough. I took a look at some pictures of US grocery sections at European stores and applied the huristic of:
Based on that metric, I concluded there was a contingent of Europeans who viewed American peanut butter, BBQ sauce and hot porridge as superior enough to justify spending extra on. That spray cheese was correctly regarded as a disgusting novelty, and that pop tarts, lucky charms and marshmallow fluff are noveltys that are "fine".
Wouldn't have expected you to put relish there though! I kinda figured that was one everyone had that they tweaked a little for regional taste, like mustard.
Besides the stuff people already listed, I know sections like this here in Germany, and they often (not always) just have "American style" products - basically some weird hybrids of what a European imagines America to be like, but for European palates. So I bet - unless this was a section with true import stuff - any American would be confused why they never heard of any of these products.
Lucky Charms and Nerds. I think it’s mostly for Americans in Europe actually. It’s all quite expensive and I’ve never seen anyone buy it.
Well the fact that, no fewer than 3 times, the Great British Bake-off judges have said something to the effect of “Wow! Your combination of peanuts and jam is a brilliant and unique flavor!” has taught me that maybe we really do have something to share with the world.
Decent crunchy PB.
Over the last few years some Australian and New Zealand brands have emerged which are just fucking magnificent.
this stuff is fucking amazing. Just nuts and salt but jesus tap dancing christ those nuts.
Aldi (Nord) here in Europe has some amazing ones.
American living in Portugal here. The only things from home I buy with any regularity are peanut butter (the crunchy kind) and bourbon. Pretty much everything else has an EU-made equivalent with way less scary sounding chemicals on the ingredient list.
Yes, basically
*migrant
i never tried almond, or cashew butter, theres also powdered peanut butter these are usually sold at more bougie stores though. ive seen sunflower and macademia butter too.
We have oreos here in Australia, but they're probably manufactured somewhere in Asia by am American conglomerate in the same way the rest of our confectionery is.
I would have replaced it with a Mexican food aisle
Mexican on the bottom half of shelves, Canadian on the top half of shelves.
Turkiye makes better quality food at a lower price.
One pseudo democracy or the other... Doesn't matter...
What is it called when you're actually proud of seeing your country exposed as the tyrannical monster you've always known it to be, are happy to see other nations no longer kissing its ass, and desire nothing more than for the rulers of the nation to fall and suffer as you have?
It's this weird Reverse Patriotism I'm filled with
Google says this isn't a word
Schadenfreude?
Happiness at the misfortune of others? No... not really. I'm not happy that other people are suffering, I'm happy that people have accurately identified the source of their suffering.
It's called being an anti imperialist that lives in the imperial core. Next start listening to some Michael Parenti. Sadly it's taken the US directing it's imperialism at western countries to wake up to it. But better late than never.
https://youtu.be/odWerz1Az6k
I'm sorry, but I can't let this misinformation stand. It's hedgehogs, not porcupines.
And also raw ground pork, not beef
Nein, tut es dir nicht
Bourbon is really good though. It’s probably the only thing I’ll miss. Oh well.
Not like we have better stuff on the continent
Turks products:
80% sunflower seeds
So it's Ukrainian all along.
At the time suflowers were introduced to Ukraine, a lot of it was either Ottoman controlled or part of the Turkish Crimean Khanate.
More like Balkan countries
There should be far more coffee and cigarettes, but a nice spread overall!
The Turks did more for Germany than any US-American so good choice
Unironicly i have to agree
Marshal plan?
You ever wondered why there are so many Turks in Germany? They rebuilt this country and to this day they are an important and sizeable part of society.
The other one was just a self-serving payout to gather Allies for their Cold War.
Why did American stuff get the works? That's nobody's business but the Turks!
Ha yeah 'American food' - like who needs marshmallows and Pop Tarts anyway?
The marshmallows are there for the same reason as canned pumpkin and cranberry sauce: 🦃 Thanksgiving. There's no excuse for Poptarts.
Who eats marshmallows on thanksgiving?
They're a common topping for candied yams.
Really??? Gross.
You probably don't like s'mores, either. They would be the other reason for marshmallows, I assume. Especially anywhere there's likely to be a campfire.
They go on top of the sweet potatoes/yams.
1.Roast or boil your yams/sweet potatoes until soft. If you buy canned, they'll already be very sweet, so taste before you add anything.
2.Discard the skins, and chop/mash the insides with butter, salt, pepper, brown sugar, cinnamon, and orange juice or milk (not both!) until you like the texture and taste.
3.Spread the mixture in a flattish oven-safe serving dish and arrange marshmallows on top. It can now go into the fridge until the turkey is out of the oven.
4.Before serving, put into a hot oven until they're hot and the marshmallows are puffed and toasted.
You CAN obviously make them without the marshmallows, but then it's just a vegetable, not a festive treat of childhood memories.
Good upgrade honestly
aisle
I agree, aisle is both correct and traditional.
I'm willing to grant, however, that in a grocery store the aisles could be interpreted as the areas where the shoppers and employees stroll, around a very organized archipelago of shelving islands/isles stacked with merchandise.
Produce sections in the US often look like little islands of colorful objects
Yeah and like the deli section / bakery section usually has a bunch of little islands. But these are shelves, so really most likely more of an aisle.
I get your point, but maybe the shelves are more like big cliff-sided mountainous isles. Think Dover or Gibraltar.
For the metaphor, not the grammar of course.
I would totally agree that, for example, I would go to Aisle 4 for bread. And the sign saying 4 would indicate the shelves, not the aisle where I'm standing.
ile.
I’d say while it’s a fine sentiment, Turkey isn’t really the best choice as far as being a hybrid regime ruled by the same guy for decades. Good food though.
as a trump-hating american i am just kinda happy that turkiye gets to be fully counted as european now
Weird, most Americans would not spell it that way.
yeah but i read wikipedia a lot
I don't think any European would consider them "European" tbh, but we need allies and we have shared interests right now. And their food is great!
Krasnov Trump American isle was removed.
I see Turkish products are a LOT cheaper than the American stuff.
🎵bak-la-va🎵
To the tune of Bayraktar
angry Greek noises
I bet it doesn’t have as much chemicals as in the US.
Wo pita brot?
Tbf, I always ignore the American isles and go wild on the Turkish ones. So much good stuff!
Nothing can beat baklava and halva.
i mean, kebab?
Wo 4€ Döner Merz?
helva is a bit on the sweet side (read: potentially heart attack inducing) as far as I'm concerned, but each to their own. The hearty foods however... <3
TURKEY MENTIONED 🇹🇷
hur durr - we know... we read it too. But thanks Captain Obvious.
I mean, Germany doesn't even have English on their labels. Everything except English 💀
Better for your health too, they are obsessed with too much sugar in everything
This "buy european" campaign sound like nationalistic bullshit to me. Here you are replacing american products with products from a country ruled by a dictator.
Maybe a bit but Europe is not a country. Also these products don't get any special treatment from the governments so this movement is fuelled by the people, for better or worse
So doesn't make much of a difference then, except fewer emissions