Spyke
lemmy.world

USA is not a real country, it's territory stolen and occupied from the native population.
Musk is not a real human, he is a walking talking NAZI disease.

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the_crotchreply
sh.itjust.works

USA is not a real country, it's territory stolen and occupied from the native population.

Maybe think of a comeback that doesn't also apply to Canada

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Buffaloxreply
lemmy.world

So did Canada have wars with the original population like USA did?
Isn't it more like they are living together now? Where USA created small reservations for Indians after killing and beating them into submission.

I'm from Denmark, and nobody was forced to leave this land for us to live here.

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I mean, I had been reading about the native people's of Canada not too long ago and how they have been historically fucked by the Canadian government, and continue to be fucked over in modern times. Especially all those articles about schools for the native people's where they were finding mass graves of students.

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the_crotchreply
sh.itjust.works

Yeah. Last hundred years or so US racists have been focused on black people and Mexicans, whereas in Canada first nations take the brunt of it.

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gruereply
lemmy.world

Mexicans are Native Americans. The "black people" part of what you wrote is the only real difference.

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catloafreply
lemm.ee

Modern Mexicans are mostly Mestizo, mixed Spanish and indigenous peoples (Aztec, Maya, etc.).

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So are most US Native Americans and Canadian First Nations folks.

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the_crotchreply
sh.itjust.works

They're certainly native to the Americas, but they're descended from a drastically different culture than the ones in the eventual US and Canada and targeted a lot more. I feel it's accurate to differentiate Mexicans from (for example) Sioux or Navajo or Pequot, particularly when talking about modern day race relations in the United States.

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Being oppressed isn't a contest.

That said, if you think Mexicans have been oppressed more by the US than the natives living further north, you should probably study your history better. At least folks of Aztec descent still exist in significant numbers, instead of having been mostly killed off!

Also don't forget about the millions of people native to former northern Mexico (Texas, California, and the land between) who became American citizens by virtue of those territories being ceded to the US, then later got deported anyway.

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lemmy.ca

Canada had the Residential School system, which was a genocide, don't take my word for it, it's one of the conclusions the Truth and Reconciliation report described as a cultural genocide, archive link. The last federal school closed in 1997, there's been mass graves found at some of these in the news over the last decade. Many of these schools were religious and as recently as 2017 the PM was seeking a formal apology from the pope (of the Christian denoms, Catholicism is the majority).

Canada's history is almost more sinister, we'd do well to never forget that if we want to address the systemic problems that remain to this day.

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OK, so Canada is only as real as USA then, I don't see how that helps Musk's argument.

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hundred thousand

There's plenty of archeological evidence that the populations of Scandinavia are more or less those that followed the ice and were the first to populate the region after the ice age. That is: They are the native or "original" inhabitants of the land.

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Sorry for the down votes. Yeah canada had a horrible history with the first nations peoples.

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Isn’t it more like they are living together now? Where USA created small reservations for Indians after killing and beating them into submission.

Canada's history (including very recent history) with natives has been bad, which includes the forced assimilation programs that didn't end until the mid 1990's...

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don’t forget forced sterilization of Indigenous women, the last documented case (that I can find) of which happened in

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2018

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Anglo Canada's and US history is the same from the late 16th century until US' Independence in the late 18th century... Then it was just the same thing but by two different countries.

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lemmy.ca

It's neat how this entire thread devolves into cheap whataboutism.

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lemmy.ca

More than 250 Canadian citizens and residents have signed a petition calling for Elon Musk to be stripped of his Canadian citizenship.

It was 250 thousand. But I'm pretty sure it got even higher than that.

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Well 250,000 is more than 250 so they're technically correct (the best kind of correct)...

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Fascist doing very dangerous fascist stuff. Seriously we've got to stop these fascists before they start WWIII.

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I would argue that it's already begun (obviously, without formal declarations of war from belligerents involved in the various theaters of operations), but I'm open to hearing why that's not the case.

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Yep.

It's easy to just get angry and flippant over him saying this, but this is explicitly fascist rhetoric and should be taken seriously, even though he will play it as a joke if questioned, just like the Sieg Heil salutes.

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Dojanreply
lemmy.world

No he does, but it’s another man’s hair. He needed gender affirming care because he didn’t feel good about his appearance, and that care happened to be some other man’s hair.

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Canada’s sovereignty mocked by someone who got citizenship through family ties—irony overload.

😾😾

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What in the South Park The Movie: Bigger Longer and Uncut is this fucking timeline??

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If it's not a real country, then it cannot issue a citizenship, problem solved in my mind.

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For a certain someone in the comments who I've already blocked:

Remember kids, don't feed the trolls. Let them get bored with no reaction and fuck off on their own

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Xelon is not an actual Human. Unknown substance detected.

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I would love to see this limp dick loser come to Canada and spew any of that rhetoric

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lemmy.ca

When you find yourself hating on the golden retriever of countries it might be time for some self reflection...

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lemy.lol

I couldn't give any less of a fuck about Canada. Seriously. It's like having Uruguay saying they are stopping trade with us. What the fuck do they do? Nothing we can't. The effect to my life will be as miniscule as squishing an ant.

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My man I don't know why you feel the need to explain that your don't care about others. We can tell.

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n2burnsreply
lemmy.ca

The effect to my life will be as miniscule as squishing an ant.

Assuming you're an American, the effects will be HUGE. Our economies are sooo interdependent.

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It won't but ok. Our economy is getting ruined from within, don't give a fuck about Canada, they are going to get ruined along with us.

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Cheemsreply
lemmy.world

They lost one ally, the USA, their relationship with Europe is stronger now then it's ever been. Your statement is just projection.

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lemy.lol

Lol what do you think Europe is going to do for Canada. Lmao nothing. Good luck.

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Cheemsreply
lemmy.world

Typical. You're pretty vocal about shit you are completely ignorant about.

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Stalinwolfreply
lemmy.ca

I lived in the States for 30 years and Canada for 10. As an unofficial ambassador to both countries, I can confidently weigh in that you perfectly embody the American stereotype. You are loud, angry, spiteful, and removed. (starts with an R and ends with a D)

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jaybonereply
lemmy.world

Aren’t you doing the same thing you are accusing them of doing?

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lemy.lol

Doesn't matter to me, they started it. My life won't be affected by cutting Canadian shit out of my life. Like at all. Their lives will however. Fuck em.

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lemy.lol

Like I'm gonna sit here and let some fucking Canadians talk shit on all American people republican or not, not gonna happen. Dems had no part in this and they are still talking shit, if you are Canadian you can suck my huge American balls.

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Litreply
lemmy.world

Why are you so bitter and sour, though.

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What a burn. I guess I'll go to the doctor and get my feelings checked through my single payer Healthcare system.

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floofloofreply
lemmy.ca

they started it.

Just like Ukraine started it, eh? If you dig deep into your goldfish-like memory, I think you'll find your President started it.

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Are you that fucking stupid that you don't remember the President of the US levying tariffs against them and threatening to conquer them?

Seriously, fuck all the way off with this "they started it" shit. We started it. Trump and Elon started it.

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floofloofreply
lemmy.ca

Which Canadians? All of them? You won't see the irony.

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lemy.lol

Oh I do, that's the point. They generalized all of us so I generalize all of them. What's funny is, if it would come down to it, they are defenseless, there is no hope for them. The only hope they HAD was an uprising of the American people, but they fucked their goodwill with most of us. Too bad, so sad.

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You deserve every generalization you give to Russians or Israelis or Saudis or Iraqis or Afghanis.

Your country started it.

You fucking bully.

Come on. We’ll be your second Vietnam. Losers.

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losing Allies like flies

The only flies being lost are the Republicans. Good riddance.

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Canada is doing what every bully victim should do, stand up for themselves. These retaliatory tariffs are a consequence of striking us first.

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