Honda and Nissan make it official: Their merger talks are off
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Honestly thank God.
I was really worried about how this was only going to drag down Honda.
I used to love Nissan. They made several of my dream cars.
Unfortunately it's been quite some time since they made anything very good imo.
Currently have a reputation of meh reliability and meh driving experience.
They don't offer anything to entice someone away from Toyota or Honda.
I hope Nissan can come back but idk how they do that without a serious overhaul of their whole business from the ground up.
Honda needs decent trucks. Nissan can make a decent truck.
Nissan needs decent CVT transmissions. Honda can make decent CVTs.
As an outside observer, I figured just those 2 things would make it worth it.
I can agree with this. Problem is Nissan wanted their CEO.and board members to retain control of the company.
Obviously it would be a bad idea since I'm sure it's best to avoid Nissan to take down Honda with their bad decisions.
Nissan picked their CEO and boardmembers over the entire Japanese and American Nissan workforce.
Disgusting. They can rot on their own.
Never buying nissan.
My little brother said the same thing. I think you're both right. Clearly that wasn't enough to push the deal through though.
Look what they did to my Pathfinder!
Fuck Nissan.
IMO the 1st gens are the only true pathfinder. And it's 2nd gen brother with FAS a not so close second.
I hadn't even paid attention to the abomination it's become in the last few years.
I fell in love with the first gens, but by the time I was able to buy one, it was a '96. 4WD and a standard. Terrible gas mileage, but I loved that baby and she always got me where I was going.
But I agree, the first gens were awesome.
I've still got a 96 4wd 5spd Hardbody for when I need a truck to do truck things. Over 300k miles and still going strong.
Slapping the hardbody badge on a 3rd gen frontier isn't as bad as what they did with the pathfinder, but it's still insulting.
Yes but whats the gain to merge the 2 brands just for a modicum improvement?
bring them together when each can contribute something great, not just to limp along together
Honda could have put honda engines in them and let Nissan just do their own styling.
Let Nissan do the styling? No, no, no. They already vomited out the Juke and Cube, we don't need more vehicular abominations out there on the roads...
The Juke is the perfect amount of hideous that it flips the bit back to being great. Even the Cube is the right kind of quirky.
https://lemmy.world/comment/15241604
What's wrong with the Cube?
Why?
Nissans haven't look good in ~20 years.
If they were pressured into a merger by the Japanese government, what is the path forward? You could a) wind down Nissan or b) solve their major problem by putting Honda engines and transmissions in them. Which also brings their engine r&d cost to 0.
You don't need to merge with Nissan to do that if you're Honda. Just buy out their design team. Much cheaper lol.
Edit: spelling
I agree, I'm just saying that's what I would have seen them doing. See my other comment that the rumor was Japanese government pressured them into it.
Thank goodness.
Honda might have dropped quality a bit over the last decade, but they're nothing on the dodginess of Nissan.
I simply wouldn't buy a modern Nissan vehicle.
I am out of the loop on this one. I always thought Nissan made solid vehicles. Even newer ones. Has there been some changes?
Their transmissions have been shit for awhile
It seems like if Honda has any interest left in in Nissan, they'll just buy it out of bankruptcy when that occurs. The only other chance Nissan seems to have is if there is a non-automotive company that wants to become one.
At the start of this I heard ideas that the Japanese government was pressuring them so that Nissan stock (held by many retirement funds) didn't go to 0.
Thank fuck, Nissan is ass.
Nissans are the American cars of Japan.
Unfortunate. Their EVs are a great value.
Have you owned one?
They are unreliable and even Nissan itself cannot fix them
They are very popular for carshare companies. I have rented a NV200 from a carshare for picking up a TV before and it was a nice experience and very inexpensive.
Maybe in Europe?, the electric version never made it to North America
Only the Leaf made it and they cannot even fix them. My friends are on their third battery pack in 4 years of ownership; last replacement took 8 months
Yes, in Europe.
There is a reason they are inexpensive. Their batteries are terribly designed with no thermal management.
My first car was a Nissan. This is depressing.
My first car was a Nissan too. It was an unreliable piece of shit. So based on that palpable experience, I'm glad this merger is off.
I looked at getting them, ending up going with Hyundai instead.
Very satisfied with my purchase.
This was a 1993 Altima. I'm sure they are a very different beast now.
RIP GT-R Type-R
How do we pronounce Nissan in mandarin?
日产 = rì chǎn
(originating from (the land of) the sun)
Why they want to sell them to Tesla? Ignoring that Nissan has nothing to offer to them (chademo? LOL), all Elmo is going to do is fire everyone and run the company to the ground. Any toddler can do that.
Not much point in assembly plants for ICE cars. Why pay for what's essentially a warehouse.