Just a reminder that Hamas is the recognized government in Gaza. Israel reminds us of this fact constantly in it's attempts to justify their collective punishment. But I see now that Hamas have Schrodinger's legitimacy.
The framing their they're going for is worthy victims vs. unworthy. It's a pillar in the project of acceptable mass murder.
A hostage implies the purpose of holding that person is as leverage to extract some concession from someone, whereas a prisoner does not necessarily imply that intent and could be held for any reason?
Losely speaking, prisionaires are people who committed crimes, while hostages are innocent civilians. I've no idea if that accurately describes the situation here, I'm just answering your question.
Hostages are taken from their homes or jobs with the express intent to threaten their lives, and exchange them for a political outcome.
Prisoners are apprehended in association with criminal activity, with intent to persue charges and criminal trial. They are held at designated prisons, which are subject to local and international monitoring.
We don't even know how many of the hostages are alive or dead.
Prisoners are apprehended in association with criminal activity, with intent to persue charges and criminal trial. They are held at designated prisons, which are subject to local and international monitoring.
So not a word that describes the people Israel kidnapped.
Did Hamas provide trials for the hostages for the specific crimes they were accused of? No, they just took them. Even if it is a sham trial there is a difference between a hostage and a prisoner.
Do you really believe this? They absolutely hold trials. Im not promising you they are all legitimate but they hold trials. Hamas kidnapped people. There is a difference.
Which is simply not true. Israel tries the people it seizes/kidnaps/arrests whereas Hamas does not. Im not promising you that all the trials are legitimate but they happen. Israel is theoretically a aociety under rule of law.
You can find videos of trials, news stories about trials, reports from the government on how they handle these things. Im not claiming they are fair but they exist while Hamas is just straight kidnapping people.
People imprisoned by legitimate, lawful governments are prisoners, never hostages, because the government wouldn't arrest people without legal basis.
Terrorist groups can never take prisoners, only hostages, because they have no legal basis and no legitimacy.
That's the framing this headline is going for.
Just a reminder that Hamas is the recognized government in Gaza. Israel reminds us of this fact constantly in it's attempts to justify their collective punishment. But I see now that Hamas have Schrodinger's legitimacy.
The framing
theirthey're going for is worthy victims vs. unworthy. It's a pillar in the project of acceptable mass murder.A hostage implies the purpose of holding that person is as leverage to extract some concession from someone, whereas a prisoner does not necessarily imply that intent and could be held for any reason?
The article's inaccurate then. Israel arrests numerous Palestinians as leverage.
Losely speaking, prisionaires are people who committed crimes, while hostages are innocent civilians. I've no idea if that accurately describes the situation here, I'm just answering your question.
It does not, none of the people Israel kidnapped were charged or convicted of any crime, and were kidnapped outside of Israel.
Welcome to the BBC!
If I'm doing it, I have prisoners. If you do it, you have hostages.
Those prisoners know what they did
/sHostages are taken from their homes or jobs with the express intent to threaten their lives, and exchange them for a political outcome.
Prisoners are apprehended in association with criminal activity, with intent to persue charges and criminal trial. They are held at designated prisons, which are subject to local and international monitoring.
We don't even know how many of the hostages are alive or dead.
This attempt at moral equivalence is repugnant.
So not a word that describes the people Israel kidnapped.
While this describes them perfectly.
In this context, there’s no difference.
Did Hamas provide trials for the hostages for the specific crimes they were accused of? No, they just took them. Even if it is a sham trial there is a difference between a hostage and a prisoner.
Neither did Israel though, for the thousands of hostages they hold.
Do you really believe this? They absolutely hold trials. Im not promising you they are all legitimate but they hold trials. Hamas kidnapped people. There is a difference.
https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/
I think the implication was that the prisoners are actually hostages too.
Which is simply not true. Israel tries the people it seizes/kidnaps/arrests whereas Hamas does not. Im not promising you that all the trials are legitimate but they happen. Israel is theoretically a aociety under rule of law.
Is this something you know from living in Gaza, or something you’re repeating that you saw online?
You can find videos of trials, news stories about trials, reports from the government on how they handle these things. Im not claiming they are fair but they exist while Hamas is just straight kidnapping people.
Did Israel? I mean, non-rigged trials.
They did not