Vulcans would have to be real. Their presence is what makes humanity realize there’s a better way to live.
In fact Cochrane himself states that he built warp drive just to get rich. His intention was to jumpstart capitalism in a post-war world that had no functioning economy.
If Vulcans landed on our Earth after WWIII, we would just kill them and create the Mirror Universe instead.
It's a movie with Matt Damon, basically the good tech, like "instant healing" pods, was being hoarded by the elite class in a giant in-orbit space station called Elysium. So Matt Damon has to fight to save the people left on Earth iirc
Literally been (re)watching Clone Wars with my partner, and it's scary how analogous the whole thing is to the US. Especially the stuff foreboding Order 66 and the rise of the empire towards the end of the series.
We are very much on Trek. For reference, check out season 3 episodes 11 and 12 of Deep Space Nine. These episodes take place on Earth in 2024, roughly six months ago. It was always clearly laid out in Trek that their path to utopia was paved with war and hardship.
Well that and the fact that our first contact in Trek is with a peaceful but vastly superior race. We had everything to gain by creating an alliance and could have easily been wiped out by Klingons or Romulans if we didn't.
...where immigrants are objectified and treated exactly as disposably and thoughtlessly as the droids are in Star Wars.
It actually really bothers me how Star Wars loves to charm the audience with charismatic clearly sentient robot slaves and yet doesn't give a fuck about ANY of the ethical implications of all that fun except for the occasional flavor sideplot. I am tired of people normalizing this and laughing it all off cus aren't the robot slaves cute when they grumble? (similar thing with LOTR and orcs basically, but ugly because ugly = evil).
They are sentient, it is fucked up to deal with it extremely inconsistently and it demonstrates a stunning lack of understanding of the responsibility storytellers have to subvert dehumanizing narratives that can lead to egregious systematic storytelling issues.
Star Wars unintentionally reflects the culture it came out of in many ways, and not in a good way.
Sadly, Star Wars mostly just reflects one single white man's subconscious understanding of that culture (George Lucas). Just in the fact that Trek was written by many (yes, Roddenberry was very important but not the only voice) makes it more interesting, at least to me.
"Could" is a very strong word with lots of assumptions.
Have you never read anything from antiquity? Even the Bible is a good start, you see the stories of how humanity has always been, and will be for a long time to come still.
Though it's easily arguable humanity has already come a long way, and continues to improve (though non-linearly, naturally). Just your post here demonstrates this. You, me, and a bunch of other people, from anywhere in the world, are discussing these ideas, practically in real time. This was impossible as recently as 35 years ago.
Worldwide privation (notably starvation) has dropped 30%+ in the last 10 years.
The difference from my parent's generation, to me, in the west is staggering. Infant and mother mortality dropped a staggering 90% from their birth to mine. They grew up always hungry, I did not. They saved everything: pieces of wire, string, old worn out parts, etc, because even if you had money, that stuff wasn't necessarily even in the store. While I can order just about anything, from anywhere in the world, and have it in two days. They couldn't get air mail across the Atlantic that fast. As an example, during WWII, they couldn't move all the soldier's homeward-bound mail, so they microfilmed it all in Britain, shipped the film back, and re-printed it there to be mailed. Today we can ship almost anything by plane to much of the world.
No, sorry, we're going for Neuromancer style corpo control, possibly with the veneer of democratic republics. No Jedi for you, best we can do is... Well, have you read Snow Crash?
Yeah, it isn't like art can convey ideas and profound thoughts at all and never ever have fictional stories been used as a tool to talk about real events.
Didn't the Star Trek timeline involve some sort of apocalypse on earth at some point?
Star Trek’s WWIII happened from 2026-2053, I believe. So we’re still on track.
Is that really part of Star Trek lore? Because…that’s terrifying if so.
Sadly the Irish Reunification didn't happen last year
Yeah I was hoping for WW3 but we just got climate collapse instead. No star trek for us.
Vulcans would have to be real. Their presence is what makes humanity realize there’s a better way to live.
In fact Cochrane himself states that he built warp drive just to get rich. His intention was to jumpstart capitalism in a post-war world that had no functioning economy.
If Vulcans landed on our Earth after WWIII, we would just kill them and create the Mirror Universe instead.
That would certainly track with the rest of this timeline.
100%
It's more like we're headed towards Elysium, except the rich dickheads move underground because the whole in-orbit thing is waaaay too fucking hard.
Thanks
Wdym by Elysium? I don't think you mean the fields of Elysium here.
It's a movie with Matt Damon, basically the good tech, like "instant healing" pods, was being hoarded by the elite class in a giant in-orbit space station called Elysium. So Matt Damon has to fight to save the people left on Earth iirc
Ohh, that explains it. And yeah, that does sound distrubingly familiar.
…democracies? i haven’t watched a lot of star wars but isn’t the whole point that they are fighting a fascist empire
That fascist empire used to be a democracy until it was transformed into an empire by Palpatine
to be fair that was in the prequels, which sucked ass
The prequels warned you about 9/11 and 2025
The story was good, but the dialogue absolutely ruined it
You mean the memes?
I'm not familiar with Star Wars, but I remember hearing something about the original movies being intended as commentary/allegory for the Vietnam war?
Yeah the Empire represents the USA.
The rebels represent the Vietcong.
Star Wars is literally US imperialism in space.
Literally been (re)watching Clone Wars with my partner, and it's scary how analogous the whole thing is to the US. Especially the stuff foreboding Order 66 and the rise of the empire towards the end of the series.
Nah homie. We are on that Cyberpunk expressway.
Insert The Expanse
The Senate will send a strongly-worded letter about the Emperor’s genocide of the Jedi.
We are very much on Trek. For reference, check out season 3 episodes 11 and 12 of Deep Space Nine. These episodes take place on Earth in 2024, roughly six months ago. It was always clearly laid out in Trek that their path to utopia was paved with war and hardship.
Well that and the fact that our first contact in Trek is with a peaceful but vastly superior race. We had everything to gain by creating an alliance and could have easily been wiped out by Klingons or Romulans if we didn't.
We're headed straight to cyberpunk instead. Looking forward to watching juiced up and modded humans fight each other.
Don't think we even have actual good body modification, it'll be all owned by corpoligarchs and corpooligans.
...where immigrants are objectified and treated exactly as disposably and thoughtlessly as the droids are in Star Wars.
It actually really bothers me how Star Wars loves to charm the audience with charismatic clearly sentient robot slaves and yet doesn't give a fuck about ANY of the ethical implications of all that fun except for the occasional flavor sideplot. I am tired of people normalizing this and laughing it all off cus aren't the robot slaves cute when they grumble? (similar thing with LOTR and orcs basically, but ugly because ugly = evil).
They are sentient, it is fucked up to deal with it extremely inconsistently and it demonstrates a stunning lack of understanding of the responsibility storytellers have to subvert dehumanizing narratives that can lead to egregious systematic storytelling issues.
Star Wars unintentionally reflects the culture it came out of in many ways, and not in a good way.
Sadly, Star Wars mostly just reflects one single white man's subconscious understanding of that culture (George Lucas). Just in the fact that Trek was written by many (yes, Roddenberry was very important but not the only voice) makes it more interesting, at least to me.
We're on the Borderlands timeline. in a few years, Dahl is gonna take over Yellowstone
We are heading towards a solar punk future unfortunately we will have to survive through a cyberpunk world to get their
Quiet, Rebel scum!
Not democracy, no.
thunderous applause
"Could" is a very strong word with lots of assumptions.
Have you never read anything from antiquity? Even the Bible is a good start, you see the stories of how humanity has always been, and will be for a long time to come still.
Though it's easily arguable humanity has already come a long way, and continues to improve (though non-linearly, naturally). Just your post here demonstrates this. You, me, and a bunch of other people, from anywhere in the world, are discussing these ideas, practically in real time. This was impossible as recently as 35 years ago.
Worldwide privation (notably starvation) has dropped 30%+ in the last 10 years.
The difference from my parent's generation, to me, in the west is staggering. Infant and mother mortality dropped a staggering 90% from their birth to mine. They grew up always hungry, I did not. They saved everything: pieces of wire, string, old worn out parts, etc, because even if you had money, that stuff wasn't necessarily even in the store. While I can order just about anything, from anywhere in the world, and have it in two days. They couldn't get air mail across the Atlantic that fast. As an example, during WWII, they couldn't move all the soldier's homeward-bound mail, so they microfilmed it all in Britain, shipped the film back, and re-printed it there to be mailed. Today we can ship almost anything by plane to much of the world.
I'm sure it'll end up fine just like Star wars!
I feel like AI + eugenics is a path to the Borg.
Star Trek is pretty much a futuristic communist society.
Star Wars is a galaxy constantly in a power grab war.
No, sorry, we're going for Neuromancer style corpo control, possibly with the veneer of democratic republics. No Jedi for you, best we can do is... Well, have you read Snow Crash?
It's amazing what people will put up with if you promise them a light saber.
It'd be pretty dope if people didn't try to gatekeep, well, everything. 🙄
Oh, please, that's like...not even remotely creative.
If you're going to resort to trolling, at least put some effort in! Otherwise, what's the point?!
Your reaction to a thread...about movie references...is to wish it wasn't about that???
Ummm, yeah, I stand by my accusation of gatekeeping.
Yeah, it isn't like art can convey ideas and profound thoughts at all and never ever have fictional stories been used as a tool to talk about real events.