Trump says he will take on paper straws with executive order
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That's definitely a top priority.
It’s just more bullshit to distract from Elon Musk and his cronies destroying our democracy
It's funny to imagine the people cheering this shit on
Eh, about as High priority as switching them out in the first place.
Reducing microplastics is a high priority. One that no one ever took seriously.
A. it's not we don't even have any scientific reason to think it's bad for us.
B. The whole thing is a distraction from the real issues.
C. The total amount of plastic can't go down until we reduce manufacturing.
D. It reframes environmental issues to the consumer the exact kind of marketing campaign companies have been using for years.
A ban on something doesn't blame the consumer? It simply stops one aspect of unnecessary plastic pollution which has a tiny positive effect.
Plastic bottles in Germany have a 25 cent deposit that you can earn back by returning them when they are empty. This has significantly reduced plastic pollution for plastic bottles which is a tiny but positive effect.
Certain colored plastics for plastic bottles are prohibited too because they are not recyclable. A tiny but positive step.
Once you have hundreds of such steps you have a significant positive leap. The government should ban disposable plastics altogether ideally now but every single ban is putting us a step closer to a world free from plastic.
Except it objectively did not reduce plastic production and it soured the end consumers opinion on environmental conservation.
Plastic straws weren't banned due to the sheer volume of plastic, but because they are particularly hard to recycle and their shape makes them specially dangerous for wildlife.
https://eurekarecycling.org/plastic-straws/
Of course people like to use fake arguments as the reason why they were banned to make it seem baseless.
Wow, where to begin…
A, we have plenty of evidence to support plastic being bad for humans, and the entire planet.
B, we can chew gum and walk.
C, what did you think not manufacturing plastic straws would do? Reduce manufacturing.
D, if you don’t make it political, then it’s not political. It’s just reducing plastic waste.
A. You have just made a positive assertion that is easily proven and presented no studies, I'm waiting.
B. we absolutely cannot walk and chew gum at the same time attention is the modern currency.
C. Removing plastic straws did not reduce plastic manufacturing and it wasn't supposed to reduce the manufacturing of plastic.
D. I honestly don't know what your point had to do with mine? Something about it be political? My point was that it's simply a way for oil companies and heavy plastic users to reframe it as the every mans problem you know the people who can not stop it.
A, Jfc, it’s 2025. Use a search engine. Even use AI ffs, “why is plastic bad for humans and the environment?” Do you think the earth is flat, too?
B, you can’t, we can.
C, I guess if it’s not all or nothing, there’s no point eh?
D, yes, morons are very susceptible to “the war on ” and make it their entire personality.
We need to use less disposable plastic products. Look at the ocean, it’s filling with our trash. Most of that is plastic.
The fact that you can't walk and chew gum because you lose focus makes me wonder of you need to stop to breath. It definitely seems you were oxygen deprived for extended periods of time.
I don't expect you to understand that.
Don’t have any scientific reason other than concern over all of the micro plastics that are now in literally everything living, or the impact production of plastics has on the environment, or the fact that they aren’t biodegradable and just sit somewhere for ages.
You having concerns is not scientific research, scientists having concerns is not scientific research, ask a scientist they will tell you more research is needed, we simply don't know because we don't have enough studies it just feels bad or is concerning but there is reason to believe that it is nothing the simple fact is that plastic is inert and we have seen no I'll effect.
I think you’d make a perfect subject for a study on the effects of microplastics on a persons ability to reason. Your dismissive and empty arguments in this thread would give ample evidence to support that a preference for drinking from plastic straws may in fact be harmful to a persons brain over prolonged exposure.
Get your head out of your ass. This is a gift to the oil industry and destroys the environment. There are new biodegradable straws that are 100% as good as plastic and won’t wind up embedded in sea life.
The new straws are %100 as good as my ass, and the gift to the oil companies was producing just as much plastic while tainting the consumers opinion on environmental conservation.
Government picking winners.
This would work itself out over time. No one likes soggy straws. It's actually caused some innovation. They have straws made from plants now that aren't too bad.
The pasta straws are neat. Probably cheaper/less complex to make too.
The King of the US announcing another decree after being mildly annoyed by something.
At this point, switching to plastic straws feels like such a reprieve. Can we keep him focused on little annoyances like this? Or making him hysterical that the 7-11 ran out of Cheetos?
My issue here is him just decreeing anything he wants whenever he wants and that seems to just be accepted. My guess is he's annoyed that people are saying Musk is president so he issued a decree to remind people that he is king, but why is this being tolerated at all?
Idono what the correct solution is but paper straws apparently contain a lot of PFas and are really not good for anyone either...
Glass straws can break... And might contain PFas
Metal straws are also a safety hazard apparently... But seem to be the best choice...
Bamboo straws also contain PFas...
So... Just say no to straws?
https://www.foodandwine.com/paper-straws-pfas-forever-chemicals-8768492
Perhaps the solution is with the lids and not the straws?
I mean I assume you have the same issues with lids...
They can be thicker meaning it may be easier to produce them out of materials like bio plastics.
But bio plastic isn't the answer either as it's worse or just as bad as regular plastic... When you consider all the factors that go into making it..
These people are the worst fucking scum on the goddamn planet. Petty mother fuckers to the core...
"Did a Democrat do it? Ok then reverse it."
"But sir, this bill enures that oxygen is created so we can breathe."
"Fuck you! A DEMOCRAT passed that, reverse it! We'll make our own identical one and say it was our idea and oxygen never existed before us."
Will it make eggs cheaper?
You know the answer to that ;)
This is going to be the dude that tells americans to start feeding their plants electrolytes! Idiocracy is almost complete!
At least in idiocracy, the president appointed the smartest guy in the world to solve their problems. Instead, we got Musk.
To be honest, id probably vote for Kamacho for president too!
At this point it would be a step up.
Idiocracy is the only movie that was a satire on its release but became a documentary over time....
Im sure black mirror will have a few episodes that ring true
But Elondo's got what plants crave!
I'd say that Elondo is toilet water, but toilet water is useful.
Had the check this wasn’t the onion
A couple of weeks in and this dude is already grasping at straws.
Why? He's a pro at sucking even without straws
That cock holster of a mouth is proof enough.
I just drink out of the cup like a sadist.
Same, it’s so much easier
Fuck paper straws but it is absurd that he is pursuing an EO on them.
We should either use plant based plastics for them or just not use them at all.
Yeah, I've used some pretty good cellulose ones, they must cost 5% more to make though, so it's impossible.
My only complaint on some of the ones that I have used is that when they break, they can be pretty sharp. Doesn't really matter to me because I am an adult and don't have a habit of cheating on straws. But I could see that being an issue for kids.
Or just don't use straws if you don't have a reason too. I can see when you have a fountain soda whilst on the road but not too often outside of that (yes, I am aware there are medical reasons but that is few and far between for most of us).
The answer my friend is pasta. It's also something to nibble on if you are bored after your drink. Pasta straws are the best
I prefer Twizzlers especially if it is in a Dr Pepper.
I mean, no one is forcing you to use a paper straw if you'd prefer not to use one at all.
I've read that paper straws are lined with plastic, specifically PFAS, since paper will naturally fall apart in water. A thin lining if plastic is technically less plastic, but if it's PFAS then IMO it's just worse than a 100℅ plastic straw.
I doubt they are lined with plastic because they absolutely do fall apart. They last about five minutes before they start to fall apart. Paper straws are nothing new. My parents grew up with them.
I don't think there's a standard. Some are, some aren't.
I was just in the US and everywhere was still using plastic straws and cups anyway.
Yes by far plastic is more common still. I almost never see paper ones.
And when I do, I throw a shit-fit and hope our god emperor outlaws them. Or maybe I just don't notice or care.
I'm glad he's decided to bypass Congress for this very important And time sensitive issue regarding to our national security
Paper straws to heavy to lift with those tiny baby hands?
Betting Pool: Who will win? Straws or the wannabe despot? I'm putting my money on paper straws being stronger. Or is that a Straw Man argument?
quit strawmanning!
Maybe he can sign an EO to make DST permanent.
Right!?
I will say that my experience with paper straws has been pretty disappointing. They're...usable, but a considerably-worse experience if you're nursing a drink all day. They get soggy and tend to collapse. They get started on biodegrading a lot more-quickly than I'd like.
I think that maybe a better answer than "use paper" is "use plastic that biodegrades in a shorter period of time than existing plastic straws".
Like, I don't really care about the wall thickness of my straw. I don't need a lot of flexibility. I'm okay with paying more for straws, as they're pretty cheap. Straws that are shipped in paper wrappers, as is generally the case here in restaurants, don't need UV light resistance. I'd think that somewhere out there, there's a plastic that trades off some of those properties to be long-term biodegradable.
They're better for your teeth.