That’s not addiction. Addiction is just as much psychological as it is physiological, and goes way deeper than chemical dependence. Once you’re through the withdrawals of SSRI dependence you’re pretty much good, while an addict will most likely struggle for the rest of their life.
I definitely don't suggest it. It's an interesting experience if you're unemployed and just sitting around doing nothing. But if you have responsibilities and work to do? Hoo boy does it suck ass to move around with it.
To be clear, the link is between anticholinergics, of which some first-generation antihistamines are, while others are less potent as anticholinergics.
Best I can tell, the clinical advice is to avoid prescribing these to patients aged 65 and above.
I'd still generally prefer sleeping completely naturally, but I think comments like these might make people avoid medicine that could help them improve their sleep over time. I was massively helped by the use of Hydroxyzine when I was younger, which helped me get on a path to better sleep and overall health.
Yes anticholinergic means it blocks the neurotransmitter acetylcholine in the brain and peripheral nervous system. Acetylcholine is important for thinking, learning and memory. This is why medications such as Benadryl can cause side effects like feeling sleepy or confused.
Anon: has a problem, doesn’t bother to consider what options there may be to remedy it, just goes to his docco who does the docco thing, and anon bitches like an anon about the result. Scientists have yet to figure out how anons miss the wall as frequently as they do when passing through doors.
OR, much more realistically, Anon: has a problem, tries every at home/ otc option available which all fail miserably, goes to doc who does doc things, doc things work a little too well (at least until ones body aquires the tolerance of an elephant after only five doses), Anon discovers the agonizing and frustrating experience of sleep disorders.
Source: been there, done that. So. Many. Fucking. Times.
There is rarely an easy remedy for this shit, only things that help and things that do not. A doctors only job is to help you figure out what those things are, if they are not, replace them but don't avoid them.
You come off SSRIs (with or without) tapering and get "The zaps" and tell me that's not addiction.
Source: Guess what I fucking did last year.
you are describing "chemical dependence".
addiction is more than that.
If someone smacks you over the head with a bat, is that better or worse if they strike you over the head with a bat?
They were saying that this person is addicted too, not that addiction isn't bad. Chemical addiction is only one form addiction can take.
That’s not addiction. Addiction is just as much psychological as it is physiological, and goes way deeper than chemical dependence. Once you’re through the withdrawals of SSRI dependence you’re pretty much good, while an addict will most likely struggle for the rest of their life.
The zaps can be fun sometimes
Sometimes I'm tempted to go off my meds just to see what that feels like
I'm not gonna do it but I like thinking about doing it
I definitely don't suggest it. It's an interesting experience if you're unemployed and just sitting around doing nothing. But if you have responsibilities and work to do? Hoo boy does it suck ass to move around with it.
That's such an apt description.
Getting off of long term SSRIs was a nightmare for me and left my body broken in a bunch of whole new ways
Not all of them have that, I've been on about 7 SSRIs and have never had the zaps from stopping
Anon needs to take his trazodone earlier, or take less of it.
Could be Mirtazapine. But more than likely trazodone. Although I thought both of those were usually only prescribed when already on an SSRI.
Mirtazapine made me eat everything i could possibly get my hands on, never again
Trazodone does that for me
Yeah. It was the late night hunger that did it for me. Slept like the dead, but had to stop it. Lost a few pounds after at least haha.
Dunno, I'm as sleepy on it or off it, so does it really matter?
Also thanks for reminding me to take my meds.
hot shower and anti-histamine. mimics the biological signals of falling asleep.
eventually the hot shower will be enough.
Antihistamines that cause drowsiness also lead to dementia if used regularly.
To be clear, the link is between anticholinergics, of which some first-generation antihistamines are, while others are less potent as anticholinergics.
Best I can tell, the clinical advice is to avoid prescribing these to patients aged 65 and above.
I'd still generally prefer sleeping completely naturally, but I think comments like these might make people avoid medicine that could help them improve their sleep over time. I was massively helped by the use of Hydroxyzine when I was younger, which helped me get on a path to better sleep and overall health.
Antihistamines that reduce immune reactions?
Yes anticholinergic means it blocks the neurotransmitter acetylcholine in the brain and peripheral nervous system. Acetylcholine is important for thinking, learning and memory. This is why medications such as Benadryl can cause side effects like feeling sleepy or confused.
In my experience with SSRIs, I couldn’t sleep for shit the first couple days, then my body got used to it and it was no problem after
I like melatonin and sleepy time tea.
Just try not taking the antidepressant, see what happens...
why is this downvoted?
Because people think I'm saying to just not take antidepressants rather than if you stop taking them, the withdrawal is going to really suck.
Over time it makes the quality of sleep worse, unfortunately.
It does help you fall asleep, but yeah, say goodbye to dreams and REM sleep (aka sleep that actually makes you feel rested)
Big true. Nothing beats natural sleep, if you can manage to get any.
Is that still the case if you're only microdosing?
Anon: has a problem, doesn’t bother to consider what options there may be to remedy it, just goes to his docco who does the docco thing, and anon bitches like an anon about the result. Scientists have yet to figure out how anons miss the wall as frequently as they do when passing through doors.
>Anon has a health problem
>Anon goes to the doctor to try to resolve their health problem
>This is a bad thing for some reason???
OR, much more realistically, Anon: has a problem, tries every at home/ otc option available which all fail miserably, goes to doc who does doc things, doc things work a little too well (at least until ones body aquires the tolerance of an elephant after only five doses), Anon discovers the agonizing and frustrating experience of sleep disorders.
Source: been there, done that. So. Many. Fucking. Times.
There is rarely an easy remedy for this shit, only things that help and things that do not. A doctors only job is to help you figure out what those things are, if they are not, replace them but don't avoid them.
Yep. I feel like people expect doctors to figure it out first try. That's not how it works, everyone is different.