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Apple deadnamed the Gulf of America and conservatives are triggered

Summary

Rep. Dan Crenshaw criticized Apple Maps for not renaming the Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America, as mandated by Trump’s recent executive order titled “Restoring Names that Honor American Greatness.”

Crenshaw’s complaint reflects broader conservative frustration, as tech platforms and the global community continue to use the original name.

Critics compare the move to past nationalist gestures like renaming french fries "freedom fries," accusing conservatives of embracing identity politics and culture wars despite their political dominance.

The name change is unlikely to gain international traction.

Apple deadnamed the Gulf of America and conservatives are triggeredhttps://gizmodo.com/apple-deadnamed-the-gulf-of-america-and-conservatives-are-triggered-2000552966Open linkView original on lemmy.world
FuglyDuckreply
lemmy.world

what's funny is Trump didn't directly change the name. that takes time. the relevant naming-people have to take it up and formally do it. All Trump did was order them to, and, uh, that only affects goverment things.

Everybody else, Apple included, are going to be using the familiar name. because Trump is a moron.

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Aulireply
lemmy.ca

They'll follow suit. Apple is not the company people think it is. Tim was at the information along with all the other oligarchy. I know people well make excuses like he had to and blah blah blah. But no he did not. This a a openly gay man who chose to go support people who hate him why because he loves money more.

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Well yeah, you don't get into his position by not loving money more than anything else. Hell, even the infamous George Soros if you actually look at his philanthropy it's basically "a more tolerant and open society is better for capital"

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andallthatreply
lemmy.world

I don't know... Isn't naming (and even country boundaries) already localized based on where the users are? Isn't a possible scenario that Apple and others could show Gulf of America to US users and Gulf of Mexico to everyone else without even spending too much effort?

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veroxiireply
aussie.zone

Yeah there's already support to name things differently based on your locale. If you have an English locale you see "Germany". Inside German it's called Deutschland and if you're in a Spanish speaking place it's Alemania.

You could probably distinguish between en-us and en-gb to have different names in the USA and UK.

So yeah I totally think it's possible.

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I meant something even more radical than translating language. This is Google maps changing borders for disputed territories depending on what side of the dispute the user is: https://theweek.com/speedreads/451127/google-maps-changes-chinas-borders-based-viewers-locations .

I imagine Apple has similar policies too where they adhere to local regulations or just don't want to piss their users in any country, so they just show everyone what the want to see.

So yes, they do have the tools to do it and on top of that they also have a consolidate tradition of doing it.

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Great, now I have to chose between correct geographical names and the reasonable spelling words.

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Maybe, but this is all a distraction from the actions that matter. They don't want to debate the anti-trans stuff or the immigration stuff, which is objectively bad. They want to debate people not going with a made up name for a thing, which has no objectivity. The longer they can argue about this the less time there is to discuss anything important.

Its not just being thin skinned. It's a strategy of distraction.

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Wait until iOS Auto Corrects them typing Gulf of America to Gulf of Mexico but only after they hit send.

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lemmy.world

They want an efficient government not wasting time and resources on unnecessary things ...

They get a government crying over the name of a body of water.

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Signtistreply
lemm.ee

They say they want an efficient government not wasting time and resources on unnecessary things. What they actually want is a government that makes them feel superior to all the people they've been convinced to hate, in this case Mexicans and Leftists. Trump knows this, and gives them what they want so that he can get what he wants, which is free reign to exploit his position and his country for profit while his loyal voter base blindly supports his efforts to usher in their demise.

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Exactly. They just want to feel superior without actually doing anything to be better than anyone. Nobody is stopping them from self improvement. Nobody is stopping them from volunteering in ways that are really meaningful. But that's hard and takes time and effort. It feels more immediately satisfying to hate. It's just that it makes you feel emptier bit by bit as you do it. It's like using casual sex to cope with romantic loneliness, except lust actually has its place jn a healthy life.

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sh.itjust.works

Their job is to do nothing and cede power and influence to unregulated, uncontrolled private interests of billionaires. It is now, was last week, and was years back. It is the merging and takeover of state power by corporate power.

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Treczoksreply
lemmy.world

Indeed. It is the hurricane class five generating hot tub. How else could nature teach the most boneheaded MAGA-brains that climate change and global warming is real but by depopulating the coastal states...

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Rename to gulf of Huracán to better represent what it does and the local storm god.

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dubvee.org

Oh, no, it doesn't work that way for them. See, if a natural disaster strikes a blue city/area, it's god doling out punishment for their wickedness. If a natural disaster strikes a red city/area, it's god testing their faith because he loves them so much.

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Tinidrilreply
midwest.social

It will be a body of oil soon enough. Then the world will probably get on board with the new name.

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This is one of the worst things of this asshole's term.

We're living in a climatic emergency that is going to affect the world forever, reaching a tipping point, and this bastard and his voters are working to accelerate the proccess while the rest of the world tries to fight it. At this point, my only wish is that things like the Los Angeles fires spread in that shithole of a country until there's nothing left.

Innocents will pay, but so are we, who couldn't even vote there and will be "enjoying" his actions as if we did.

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lemm.ee

Ahem. Umm, conservatives are angry that others are not calling something what THEY want it to be called?

Hmm. So.... I just feel like... perhaps, there's a similarity here. Some people... want to be referred to a specific way... but usually conservatives have a problem with that.

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Pyrreply
lemmy.ca

How about the rest of the world rename it to the "Gulf of Snowflakes" and see what America does

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Joelk111reply
lemmy.world

Well that just wouldn't make any sense, they hardly get any snow down there!

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sopuli.xyz

New Orleans, Louisiana is currently covered in snow, I think Gulf of Snowflakes might actually be accurate right now.

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sh.itjust.works

The three foot snow drift against my back door here in New Orleans would beg to differ.

Tbf, nothing like that has ever happened here before. I wonder if any kind of change is causing this? Hmmm.

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leadorereply
lemmy.world

What are the odds that a snowflake would rename the Gulf of Mexico and then it immediately actually snows on the Gulf of Mexico?!

On a serious note, hope you all are doing OK down there and it will melt ASAP.

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Thanks, I think everything will be alright if people just stay off the roads for a few days. We're used to driving through water but not on ice.

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lemmy.world

As someone up north we used to get those all the time, but they've gotten rare. I miss them

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sh.itjust.works

I used to live up north too. Don't really miss them, ha. But I lived in the city so it just made everything a pain. Nothing fun like sledding or snow forts.

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Its just nice to look out the windows and see a beautiful snowy landscape. Unlike a week later when everything is a gray haze and it's something like -10c

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That's literally what the headline is. "Deadnaming" is a term for referring to transgender people by their previous names, rather than their current names.

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So, the Gulf of They/Them is what the rest of the world should call it? I can get behind that.

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slingstonereply
lemmy.world

Thank you for your service, sir/madam. You're already a better executive than some presidents I can think of, thinking of what the people want.

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As the first matter of business I need to immediately address, my resignation. No one man is equipped to weild the power of the lemexcutive for much longer than I have.

Farewell lemmings. Until we shit post together again.

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Good night, sweet prince(ss)! Though your reign in this (lemmy.) world was short, your reign in our hearts will last at least a few more minutes!

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lemm.ee

Pretty sure it's called "Gulf of How The Fuck Does This Lower Grocery Prices"

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If Apple changed the name to "Gulf of How The Fuck Does This Lower Grocery Prices" for a day in response I'd start using Apple Maps.

I'll be happy with companies ignoring this to set the precedent that these executive orders are toothless.

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lemmy.sdf.org

Anyone else remember "freedom fries"? That's what we were supposed to call french fries when conservatives were upset that the French were not supporting the US invasion of Iraq.

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And that "frenched" is the way they're cut, not that they have anything to do with the country.

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lemmy.world

“Mission Accomplished” might be one of the greatest all time. And to think I thought that would be as low as it could get for our country.

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Holy shit yes. I remember making fun of the doofus Bush Jr. But holy fuck do I wish him back compared to the current shit show.

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Remember how if you didn’t want our boys coming home in flag draped coffins then you “Didn’t support out troops?”

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Remember all the white flag and surrender jokes? Yep, the exact same starting point.

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samus12345reply
lemm.ee

Yes, and sauerkraut was "liberty cabbage" before that.

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But I don’t remember our government wasting time and official action on that. It was just a “popular” movement supported by propaganda

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lemmy.world

Real question here: It is titled “Restoring Names that Honor American Greatness.” - Has the Gulf of Mexico ever been named "Gulf of America" in any reasonable historical context, or is this just the usual made-up "fact" from Donald the Jester?

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Actually, the Gulf of Mexico appears called like that around 1500 AD, when the United States were not even an idea of a nation. So no, it never was called like that because it was named centuries before the US existed.

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lemmy.ml

In this vein, I'm ok with calling it Gulf of America, the (super)continent, so long as the denonym for people of the USA also changes, since it's a continent.

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Agreed. We should no longer be referred to as Americans, and instead let's call ourselves the Shitholes.

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T. Hexreply
lemmy.dbzer0.com

Alright folks, time to pick a demonym! Cast your votes on USAians or Absolute Unit[ed State]s.

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We can just be called usasians or Americans. Africa, Europe, and Australia, watch out we're gunning for ways to name ourselves after yall too.

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Agreed, I've been trying to move away from the terms "America" and "American" when discussing specifically The United States or it's people.

Not doing so is often at insult to the majority of people living in the Americas.

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atzanteolreply
sh.itjust.works

It's weird how people seem to think that demonyms should match the name of the country exactly...

Should we also say "united kingdomer"?

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lemm.ee

No. We say English, for England, and Irish for Ireland, and Scottish for Scotland, and Welsh for Wales. French for France. German, Germany. Italian, Italy. Japanese, Japan. Canadian, Canada. Australian, Australia. Brazilian, Brazil. Mexican, Mexico.

I mean come on.

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atzanteolreply
sh.itjust.works

"British" isn't a thing?

How colonial of you to determine that you get to tell other people what they should be called.

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Salehreply
feddit.org

British does refer to the English blokes though. Don't call a proud Scotsman that you think him to be British.

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frazorthreply
feddit.uk

"British" isn't a thing?

Not really, no.

A Scott wouldn't because it would associate them with England, a Welshman wouldn't, because it would associate them with England.

And I wouldn't, because someone might think I'm Welsh or Scottish. 🤷

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"Well I'm going to call you british because you're from the british isles. "

This is my point - you don't get to define how others refer to themselves.

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lemmy.ca

America is not "The United States" in the context of naming global features on a map. We have two continents call that, for example.

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Sure, but the name Gulf of Mexico, actually named Golfo de México since it was a Spaniard who named it, doesn't come from the country of Mexico, but of the Mexica civilization (aztecs for many but called mexihkah in nahuatl), the name comes from the even older name "seno mexicano" (seno meaning gulf or bay).

If any, the other known name was Gulf of New Spain, but I suppose Turd would rather die than call it such name.

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Aulireply
lemmy.ca

I mean yes they could be if the order affected them. I mean as everyone famously says they are beholden to the rules of the country they are in.

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lemmy.world

EOs are not laws and can only direct the federal government's actions. The President has no authority to unilaterally control a company, except for scenarios where it is interacting with the federal government. Just like the "two genders" EO, it only applies to the federal government. States and companies can continue to support non-binary and other options for sex and gender identity.

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One can more or less envision the President as the CEO of Federal Government, Inc. and executive orders as internal memos to the employees.

If you don't work there, following the memo is not your problem.

But if you do any kind of business with someone who does work there, you can be hit by the secondhand effects.

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Fuck, I honestly thought this was the Onion. Somebody get me out of this timeline. I withdraw consent for this simulation!

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lemmy.world

Wait, that really happened? I thought the gulf of Mexico renamed shit was just memeing. Google maps still shows the proper name instead of the tantrum name.

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There is no legal mechanism to compel private companies to use the new name.

There is also no legal mechanism to require any other country on the planet to pay attention to Trump's stupid and pointless attempt at renaming it.

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Blackmistreply
feddit.uk

If anything they'll just show the new name to people in the US.

Google Maps does a lot of regional fuckery to comply with local lunatics. Indians see Kashmir as part of India, for example.

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I mean, that's every multinational company.

My job has international offices and during stand-ups, we get things like "Hey EU needs this thing. So figure it out engineers." And we do the bare minimum to meet the requirements because bro I'm just trying to code and make a paycheck.

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Blackmistreply
feddit.uk

Nope.

I do vaguely remember seeing the bonkers border ceremony in a Michael Palin travel show from about 30 years ago. Seemed competitive, yet oddly friendly.

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Not familiar with the show but that was definitely the Atari border ceremony at wagah in Amritsar, Punjab and not Kashmir.

Either way, don't try to equate anything happening near Kashmir to what is happening here. Those are land borders with people living on either side with very real tangible "everyday" problems to whatever pax Americana you have going on in the US.

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Sturgistreply
lemmy.ca

I'll cosign

Edit: co-sign? Fuck it....I'm going to bed

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lemmy.world

I thought the gulf of Mexico renamed shit was just memeing.

I have a feeling we're going to be seeing a lot of "I didn't think he would really do ____" in the coming weeks and months.

I was under no such illusions. He has no one to stop him this time around.

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lemm.ee

I mean, in this case, he has the rest of the English-speaking world to stop him with stupid renaming. If everyone just refuses to call it anything other than the Gulf of Mexico, it's not like he can do anything about it, especially if they're outside of the US.

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Any trade or boundary or treaty agreement from now on between the U.S. and another country is going to have to work this out. Yes, that's a smaller issue than a lot of others, but it is an issue.

Meanwhile, inside the U.S., this renaming is going to cost Americans billions of dollars in things like new signage, new official maps, etc.

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lemmy.world

It will be interesting to see what openstreetmap do - they have an "on the ground principle" that says to look at what the local signs say when naming something, but the data is tagged with a load of references to NOAA pages on historical treaties that the US signed (which obviously used the normal name for that area)

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Mcdolanreply
lemmy.world

Fuck, is he actually trying to null out some treaties?

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Rosereply
lemmy.world

I thought "we'll build a wall and have Mexico pay for it" was just shit-talking, too.

Trump has the habit of saying shit like this. His opponents will say "Oh god the cringe, it hurts". His supporters will say "Oh shit, I didn't think that we have to actually implement this? This will cause all sorts of expensive problems."

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To be fair, that was just shit talking. He may have started building the wall, but Mexico didn't pay for it

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lemmy.world

Should list it as "Gulf of Cuba" and watch their heads explode.

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xmunkreply
sh.itjust.works

Alternatively, call it the Gulf of Texas and grab some popcorn for the infighting.

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olympicyesreply
lemmy.world

Honestly that makes more sense than Gulf of America because at least it is a bit more descriptive. Looking forward to Mexico renaming Gulf of California next.

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sh.itjust.works

Mexico has two states named Baja California and California Sur at the gulf of California.

If anything California should be renamed to something less Mexican like Triumphia. Renaming the major cities to City of Angels, Saint Francis, Saint Joseph, Sacrament, Saint Doug, Ash Tree would then follow suit.

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Thanks for the idea. I'm doing an edit on Apple maps to suggest that. 😈

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lemmy.world

Executive orders have no control over non-government entities. They are just official instructions given to lower executive office departments on how to operate.

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Salehreply
feddit.org

President just orders the police to kill everyone, who names it wrongly...

Now private business can decide if they want to comply or not.

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Halosheepreply
lemm.ee

The police forces are managed by state governments, not federal.

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President orders the FBI to shoot every local police who doesnt shoot everyone...

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Private business, with wealth exceeding that of nations, then hire mercenaries and assassins, and within a week the Senate, House, Judiciary and Executive branches are empty. Now the Federal government can decide if they want to try anything.

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This is a huge distraction to get you worked up about a meaningless name change. Elon is heiling on stage like an edgy teen for further drama. Meanwhile EO are signed en masse and action is taken by the new administration. This time Trump and his cronies came well prepared with a plan.

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Just because something has a purpose doesn't mean it has succeeded at it. 👍

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sh.itjust.works

Who's gonna tell him?

The earliest known use of the name America dates to April 25, 1507, when it was applied to what is now known as South America. It is generally accepted that the name derives from Amerigo Vespucci, the Italian explorer, who explored the new continents in the following years on behalf of Spain and Portugal, with the name given by German cartographer Martin Waldseemüller.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naming_of_the_Americas

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lemmy.world

Brazilians also Americans.

Venezuelans also Americans.

Canadians? Yep Americans

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froh42reply
lemmy.world

Having a step dad from Buenos Aires, I'm offended you forgot Argentina. But they have their own kind of crazy MAGA there, currently...

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That's a whole debate people from the US are not ready for

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lemmy.ca

Waldseemüller

It's a good thing the continent wasn't named after him instead!

Then again, having a swim in the Gulf of Waldseemüller sounds kind of nice.

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For all the non-Germans, Herr Waldseemüller or one of his ancestors probably was a miller at a lake in the forest. That's what the components of his name say, and we already have a body of water here.

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lemmy.today

Is this what small government looks like? I thought these guys were all about reducing regulations and allowing businesses to do as they please, free from government restrictions.

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You don't understand. They should be free of your restrictions, you should be bound by their restrictions.

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I thought these guys were all about reducing regulations

Did you really? Be honest.

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lemmy.world

I know this has been said a lot, especially lately, but I think this is the true death knell of satire.

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sh.itjust.works

As someone who worked in mapping, many people don't realize how much this kind of BS actually comes up.

The map you see in Google / Apple maps isn't the map the whole world sees. What you see is what's culturally / legally appropriate for viewers in your region.

For example, in parts of India it's legally required that Jammu and Kashmir be displayed as being part of India on their maps. On Pakistan's maps it's legally required to be weirdly ambiguous, with a strange open border that doesn't properly close. The rest of the world gets dotted lines indicating it's complicated.

For most of the world the body of water between Korea, Japan and Vladivostok is labeled as "The Sea of Japan", but users in Korea will see "The East Sea". Is the body of water around Bahrain, Qatar, Kuwait, UAE, etc. the Persian Gulf or the Arabian Gulf? Depends on where you are when you ask that question.

This even has a strange effect when all the countries involved agree that a certain geographic feature is the border, but that geographic feature is a river. Some rivers, especially ones like the Amazon river keep shifting. Sediment piles up, erosion happens, and the river shifts. The river is still the border, but now someone has to go in and adjust the political border to match the river's new position.

So, if Trump does do something official to rename the Gulf of Mexico, the online mapping companies (and any offline ones that are left) will probably follow the rule and rename it... for their American users. The rest of the world will still see it as the Gulf of Mexico. It will just be yet another one of those funny exceptions the companies have to keep track of while displaying maps for a certain subset of users.

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dlhextallreply
sh.itjust.works

The rest of the world will still see it as the Gulf of America.

of Mexico** I guess?

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Lumiluzreply
slrpnk.net

Wait, this is an official thing, not a joke? Is it a law thing?...

What???

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sgtgigreply
lemmy.world

Executive Orders are closer to press releases than they are to law. They can say pretty much anything - whether those things are enforceable or even consistent with reality is up to the courts.

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sh.itjust.works

Government employees and institutions are bound to act according to executive orders. They are binding. You’re correct they can be challenged in court. EO need to fit under existing laws. EO are often instructions on how to implement an existing law.

Press releases are not binding and might even be outright lies.

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Only binding to the federal government though, states, private organizations, and individuals can wipd their ass with them.

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To be precise, it's like your CEO sent out an email telling everyone they must do something or another. Deviating from them without a court or law backing you up means your services will no longer be required, but generally shouldn't be facing criminal charges.

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Executive Orders are more like a corporate memo to the government. It’s not a law passed by congress, but it can direct the government in how to administer existing laws or regulations.

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lemmy.world

Google Maps still calls it Gulf of Mexico also. And they still call that mountain "Denali". It isn't just Apple that didn't drop everything to push out a software update to hundreds of million of devices in less than 24 hours for nonsense.

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I feel sorry for Wozniak... Watching the company he helped build turn into what it has.

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lemmy.world

I'm waiting to hear what they want to do with New Mexico

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lemmy.blahaj.zone

Rename it to New America then in 4 years whine about New America trying to steal the light from old America because Democrats

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This should include the beautiful Oblast of New America if we are anyway in the process of renaming things.

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AA5Breply
lemmy.world

It doesn’t matter who their customers are, Google is a us based company.

However, hopefully they are able to depose, delay, deny this ridiculousness

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That post also prompted me to check Google maps, and I got Gulf of Mexico, thankfully. However I'm sure there will soon be a US version with the proper denomination so that the new masters of the land can be placated.

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Surprised he hasn't tried to slap his name on something by EO yet, like a blue state.

"New York is such a weak name-- you know it, I know it-- I had an uncle that went to New York folks, great man, smart man. He told me once with tears in his eyes, New York could be great, but it's so sad, could be great though. So it needs a biglier name, powerful name, not weak, powerful. From today I've decided it's now called, Trump Trork."

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lemmy.world

Can the president unilaterally change the names of anything he wants? Seems like there at least needs to be a vote on this.

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Can the president unilaterally change the names of anything he wants?

Maybe for things inside his own country. Though the affected local governments may object.

But for bodies of water that contain international waters, and that border other countries? Fuck no he doesn't.

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Wesleereply
lemmy.world

That's what an executive order is isn't it? The pres just saying this is how something is without challenge

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An executive order is just official instructions to a lower office on how they are to operate. They have no legal authority outside of that purpose. They are not laws. They do not apply to the public or other businesses.

It's the equivalent of a supervisor writing memo to the staff that the department break room should have tea instead of coffee. No one outside the company, or even the department, has to obey it

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There is no gulf with that name anywhere in the world.

You'll have to go back and figure out what you mean. Feel free to let us know once you find the name of a real gulf.

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feddit.nl

Did Dan Crenshaw contact the Gulf to ask how it wants to identify itself?

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yes, but it asked to be called "The Rainbow Gulf"... and he decided to maybe forget that ever happened.

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lemmy.world

Sorry if this has been asked elsewhere, but who even has the legal right to rename the gulf? It doesn't belong to USA, right? So we can't just rename it, right? If we did, everybody else in the world would keep calling it The Gulf of Mexico, right?

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Every sovereign state can publish maps require everyone to use it as reference for further publication in its own territory. Hence you'll see different maps on Google for different regions. There's a UN committee to coordinate these and also to publish international water area names.

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Klearreply
lemmy.world

If we did, everybody else in the world would keep calling it The Gulf of Mexico, right?

Most countries don't call it "The Gulf of Mexico". For example in my country it's "Mexický záliv".

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Laserreply
feddit.org

Did you know that Confucius was one of the rudest people to ever live? He never said "thank you" or "please" in his entire life.

Point is this is just Golf of Mexico in another language. Maybe not 100% literal, but it associates the site with the country Mexico, not America (which Mexico is a part of, but I'm not sure MAGAts understand or want to understand the nuance).

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Klearreply
lemmy.world

The point is that the Czech name for the gulf has nothing to do with how Americans are calling it, it's not even the same language. Why should be care Trump calls it different? He's not our president, you know.

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Yeah, it's not like we English speakers call Germany Deutschland. And it's not like we call the Persian Gulf the Iranian gulf after Iran changed it's name.

To a certain degree countries respect other countries' rights to nominative self determination. It's actually pretty similar to how we respect people's nominative self determination. When a country we interact with regularly significantly changes their name we generally adapt, but we typically do so in our own language, and we often don't bother if they don't mind the nickname we use.

Geographic features on the other hand, we usually need a good reason. There's a reason they're typically officially called whatever they're actually called. The back and forth over the naming of Denali is weird in part because most Americans barely remembered it's existence between name changes.

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I never claimed otherwise 😉 a country named "America" doesn't exist to my knowledge.

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I just checked there, and they have not renamed it, nor have they listed the new name as a recognized alternate name.

Whether of not an executive order can override the government agency specifically granted that authority by congress is of no concern to them. By law, the Board of Geographic Names is the final authority on geographic names. If they don't go along with this change, then the Trump admin would have to file an inter-government lawsuit about it.

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lemm.ee

Let's just call it the gulf of shit and dump all conservatives in there.

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At least on its northern shore, that's already pretty much the case

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You know some friend of the administration already took that spot. It was probably their idea in the first place.

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Only about a third of the Gulf of Mexico is US territory, so how can the US president unilaterally rename it? Seems Mexico has the larger claim to naming rights.

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Should rename it the Persian gulf or the Arab gulf and watch as people get even more confused.

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They haven’t updated the name in the geographical systems, so nobody is calling it that yet.

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lemm.ee

I'm trans myself and I kinda like it, flip the script, use the Right's own spells and logic against them! Make THEM the libs who get owned.

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lemm.ee

Personally lately I've been posting explanations of the science of gender, intersexed people, gender dysphoria, and studies back them up to transphobes and following them up with a "Facts don't care about your feelings!"

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Personal liberty means I get to decide for my body. And if you don't like it well last I heard the supreme court and constitution say I have other rights to use in case of tyranny.

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The Gulf of Mexico didn't choose its supposed new name. This is not deadnaming. Unless there is a positive definition of the word that I'm not aware of, this attempt to rename is the opposite of the meaning. The use of the deadnaming in this context trivializes and distorts what it means. Shame on Gizmodo.

EDIT: Sorry, didn't pick up on the sarcasm.

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sh.itjust.works

Its making fun of how Conservatives will deadname actual people but then throw a hissy fit when folks dont immediately change how they refer to something of little relevance. Its drawing attention to their braindead hypocrisy.

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lemmy.world

Gotcha, thanks for the good-faith explanation. Sometimes I have a hard time picking up on sarcasm. Fuck them reactionary nazis.

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Honestly they do this shit every couple of decades usually with food for some fucking reason, best two examples are "Liberty sandwich" with hamburgers and "Freedom fries" with French fries.

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lemmy.world

I couldn't care less what the name of that gulf is, however, Trump is right when he says that the US is the ONLY country that pumps money into that entire region. We protect it, monitor it, and it all comes out of American tax dollars. Mexico is just riding our coat tails. I can see why he'd want to change it. Also, the name "Gulf of America" technically includes Mexico..

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sh.itjust.works

We freeload off of Mexico. They give us about $160 billion more dollars in goods and services than we give them. They give us about $467 billion worth of stuff, and in return we give them about $309 billion in stuff. In exchange we mostly give them IOUs and other pieces of paper.

Oh, and that's before we talk about the billions of dollars we steal from the Mexican government. Think of all the talented workers that move from Mexico to the US. That's millions of people raised and educated on the backs of Mexican taxpayers, who come to the US and never contribute a penny to the Mexican economy.

The US is a giant leech sucking the Mexican economy dry.

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Oh brother.. sounds like you're either

A: Ashamed to be in this country, so when are you leaving somewhere else?

B: Don't live in this country and have spent too much time on Lemmy/Reddit where the USA is constantly attacked as the big bad wolf... until someone needs us, like Ukraine...

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