Proton CEO supports business policies of republicans
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/37218429
When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb
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Comments103cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/37218429
When called out on it, they then doubled down on this dogshit take: https://archive.ph/quYyb
He's another mini Elon wannabe, obviously. They're coming out of the woodwork lately.
I hope people are taking notes so these scum don't get to skate later when it falls down around their ears.
This is basically my thinking and why I will be shifting away from their products as well
Cancelled my years long subscription today. Any company that bows down to tRump should be avoided. Vote with your wallet.
I did the same! No more proton unlimited! It is better to use products from multiple companies instead of one.
Who did you switch to? I'm looking to leave proton too with all this.
Mullvad, Tuta, Bitwarden.
Have you used these 3 before (or currently)?
I've used bitwarden and mulvad for years. Recommend both without hesitation.
I've been using Tuta since 2016, on paid plan since 2019.
Outside a single longer outage early on I had nothing but good experience with their service. Granted, I only care about email and calendar (the only two products they have at the moment) but both work without any issues.
And honestly, I probably wouldn't use a VPN from them unless it was included for no extra charge. I prefer to keep my services separated.
That's my stance as well. Having to switch everything every time something goes wrong is too much of a pain.
I heard they’re good and I have just recently created accounts for them.
I use that exact stack. Bitwarden for 3 years Mullvad and Tuta for one. Can’t speak to their ethics or anything I wouldn’t know. But the quality of service has been great for me at least
Tuta mail is garbage. Used it for over a year and the search was terrible event when using the exact text from the mail. They also deleted my account despite me actively using it.
Look for a different mail service.
I use Tuta, and while the search kinda sucks, it's good enough, you just need to make sure you have all mail downloaded that's being searched (last 30 days IIRC).
I picked them because they have similar privacy as Proton with lower prices and features I like (i.e. 3 domain names).
Also curious. I left Mullvad because they stopped supporting port forwarding. Proton seemed like the best second option privacy/feature/price wise at the time. IVPN was touted highly around that time, but it appears they have also phased out port forwarding
I believe AirVPN is the last respected VPN that allows port forwarding.
I have also come across Windscribe, which seems reasonably well respected. Sadly, they make you pay extra for a static IP and port forwarding.
AirVPN has a lot of people complaining about connection speed.
Options are drying up 😢
for mail, Mailbox.org (originally I said posteo but I was unable to get the payment to go through. idk why). For drive, calendar, contacts, passwords, I'm working on setting up nextcloud but it's not ready yet. I still have a few months before I'm downgraded. for VPN, I'm still looking for alternatives.
More bandwidth for the rest of us!
The post was deleted and they are in cleanup mode. Best thing we can do is post this everywhere and demand a public apology and the firing of Andy Yen.
Otherwise end your subscriptions!
What is the Streisand effect?
We can demand his firing but unfortunately he's one of three founders, he's unlikely to be fired. But I hope it's a wakeup call to them that they should have a policy of keeping their mouth shut on politics, including all board members.
Grrrreat... Can anyone please suggest an alternative? I've switched to Proton trying to de-Google...
For Email: Posteo, Tutanota, Disroot
For VPN: Mullvad, AirVPN, IVPN
For password manager: Keypassxc, Bitwarden
Thank you kindly!
Can Tuta use a gateway similar to Hydroxide for Proton? I like my traditional email clients and have a machine I trust to encrypt/decrypt.
I believe they only allow you to use the official Tuta email client.
What do you suggest for cloud storage?
I don't have a lot of experience with cloud storage, but Filen.io appears to have a good reputation. They offer a lifetime license as well in 100gb chunks (under starter packs), which is interesting, especially if your storage size needs aren't great.
pCloud has 500tb lifetime for $200
I suggest Storj Tardigrade. It’s client-side encrypted by default (assuming you’re not using S3 gateway).
Or support one of the last non-chromium browsers remaining by getting MozillaVPN/Relay and password manager
Thx mr frog
Ribbit :)
I've been looking at fastmail and tuta
Thank you for the recs, will add them to the list! Maybe it's time to go from one to many...
Damnit, same thing here.
I switched to PurelyMail and haven't had any problems. Just mail with no marketing or other bullshit
Excellent, the more options the better! Thank you!
This comment right here absolutely nails it.
The Republicans have installed a Supreme Court that guts antitrust at every step, and Andy gives them a pass. Anyone that's that bloody oblivious of how the GOP have spent 25 years trying to remove consumer protections at every turn shouldn't be managing a popsicle stand, let alone an email service so many rely on to be private.
What a redundant muffin.
That makes it seem like Andy here just doubled down, but it's way worse than that. The company released an official statement doubling down on Yen's stance.
It seems obvious to me now.
Many US states are now requiring age verification for adult sites. VPN companies will benefit if that requirement expands. The Republican party's pearl-clutching politics are what can make that happen.
Reminds me of the time the CEO of grindr said he opposed gay marriage.
There's a lot of benefits that come with gay sex being something you get socially ostracized or legally prosecuted for.
You get to have all the gay sex you want with the reassuring knowledge that it will be kept completely secret by your partners.
An attempt at humor?
Is what i am saying untrue? If gay sex is something you'll get in trouble for, then your secrecy is assured. It's only when LGBTQ acceptance became a thing that all those gay republicans got exposed.
Same logic can be applied to sexual attitudes towards women in the 18th, 19th, and early 20th. If having sex out of wedlock destroys that woman's reputation, then I can have sex with all the women I want and they have to keep it a secret or they'll be forced into prostitution.
Believing in any way that Republicans are helping out the little guy or against big business is so ridiculous I have to believe this is willful ignorance to cover up the fact that a lot more people will need VPNs with all the porn bans and other privacy nightmares the right will pass the next few years.
This is bewildering. What a shame.
I had minor gripes with some of their services but Proton has broadly been pretty great in my eyes.
Some CEOs baffle me. Surely, even if they are massive fans of one US political party over the other, they'd have the sense to keep it to themselves to prevent it becoming a thing that causes a fallout with existing/potential customers? But no. They're too fucking narcissistic for that, and they think everyone wants to hear their opinions and follow them.
Most of the companies/ceos doing this over the past few weeks do know better. That's why they didnt say anything earlier. The reason they would be publicly taking this stance now is that they either expect to be rewarded by the incoming administration, or they hope to avoid punitive retaliation.
Cancelled my subscription today. I will be finding an alternative.
I had just signed up a few nights ago to try it out before subscribing, it's an easy cancel at this point and is being done momentarily.
I had it for a few months. Luckily it was easy to swap out this early on.
Time to find a new option.
an alternative for email or vpn? I'm also in the market for a new email now :/
Im happy with mailbox.org so far!
RiseUp.net for both. Disroot.org for email (And other services).
Do you happen to have an invite code for rise up? Seems I need one to register
Email!
VPN I am sticking with Mullvad.
Me being too lazy and putting off switching to Proton has paid off!
I cancelled my newly made subscription because of this and asked for the money back, currently theyre trying to stall that by all means.
I went with mailbox.org instead for much cheaper, the setup was really simple, but ive heard great things of other providers as well.
Oh mailbox seems cool. I'm personally using mxroute.com to host my domain's email but to be fully honest, I'm still stuck on the Gmail for most things.
I mostly use my person domain email for things like a contact address on my résumé.
I want to switch fully to my personal domain email but mxroute's web app(s) kind of suck 😅
Posteo is another good one, Disroot as well
Canceled my sub last night, ported everything to Tuta today. No issues this far.
Super disappointing, but is what it is and I'll move on.
I already used my proton email as contact method on some published stuff that I can't modify. Do you have some tips for that situation, or am I stuck now?
I'd probably just set up a forwarding rule and call it good if you can't modify it.
Right now my Proton account has a few straggling outliers forwarding to my new accounts, but I've mostly switched everything over to emails that are for a domain I own so it's a little easier moving forward.
Thank you for the suggestion
So we're keeping Lina Kahn, right? RIGHT?
Nope, she's gonna be gone soon.
Thank you for using a less charged title in the cross-post. It's concerning stuff coming from the Proton CEO and Andy Yen using the official account to amplify it. However, I disagreed with it being characterized as "Full MAGA".
Wait until Big Tech does something and then Proton will cry about it. They'll be in for a shocking surprise that Big Tech does what Big Tech did because Trump and Republicunts allowed it to happen.
what the fuck???? literally HOW did he reach that conclusion
Anyone got a email site that won't shut down or turn fascist?
FastMail has been around a long time and they're very good. MXRoute is good too and lets you have unlimited email addresses at an unlimited number of domains (they only limit it based on storage space)
I moved to mailbox.org due to this, very happy so far. They seem happy being just a mail provider with no aspiration for world domination on the privacy market, and their site layouts shows that with no upsells or similiar.
He hasn't turned fascist though
People here need to read about how fascism in Germany and Italy were good for business but terrible for the workers. About how the moneyed interests played a role in the rise of fascism in both as a defense mechanism against unions and socialism.
Support business policies of a group that removes oversight, accountability, responsibility, and makes it so he keeps more money.
What do US domestic politics have to do with a small Swiss company? Is there an indication that Proton would be sanctioned otherwise?
https://www.openbiz.io/blog/15-things-to-know-about-u-s-taxes-for-foreign-companies
So yeah, doing business in the US, getting paid by US people, subjects them to some US regulations. Hence, they are affected by US domestic policy and politics.
Can americans not use credit processors that reside in another country? This sounds like a non issue for proton as long as they dont market to americans.
You expect everyone to do that?
Do what? Enter their credit card info into a webform? Sure, why not?
No, go out of their way to sign up with foreign payment agencies.
Surely that would be on the service, not the customer, no? They would charge a foreign transaction fee, which is annoying, but it can also be avoided by using pretty much any travel card.
I really don't understand this compulsion people have to publicly announce their political support.
Like, this guy could have just said nothing, literally just not do anything, and he'd be better off.
That's not how sucking up to fascists works though.
Anyone notice Trump clearly didn't write that, because it's clearly written? Remember how bugfuck he was getting over the last year and how we rarely see that anymore?
Just how bugfuck is he now and who's controlling him?
The most interesting part of this take is that JD Vance is very much in the big tech friends circle with Thiel and Musk. But I'm sure they can run some antitrust against their enemies at Google or whatever
Republicans haven’t stood for the little guy for at least….40 years?
It's a shame I have a year subscription to them. I'll be cancelling and moving the second it runs outs.
Cancel it now so you dont forget it while it autorenews.
Already did!
I was looking to use ProtonVPN but since that story, i would prefer an alternative.
What do you guys use for VPN (i think i saw Mullvad in the replies ?)
I thought they were wonderful. Until they got rid of port forwarding, which is the only reason why I was paying them: as a torrenting VPN.
If you don't need that feature, Mullvad is still great...they take privacy/security seriously! That's why they got rid of the feature I used haha.
They've also been put to the test and passed IMO:
https://www.theverge.com/2023/4/21/23692580/mullvad-vpn-raid-sweden-police
I use PIA VPN.
Is what he's saying true? That the antitrust laws he's referring to were started by trump?
Bro, he's got Musk as a cabinet member and was put into the spotlight by Murdoch and Thiel, and his Supreme Court gives out handies to any CEO that asks.
If he did anti-trust anything it was either by accident, for revenge against a specific company, or intendes to be used as it was in the 1890's:
To bust unions.
https://www.britannica.com/event/Sherman-Antitrust-Act
Wow, I was considering switching to that from Mailfence but maybe not. Maybe I will look at the other options or sit still to see what happens over the next 30 days.
How tall is Andy Yen?
You mean to tell me that CEOs are currently cuddling up with the president? A VPN company CEO at that? I am flabbergasted. Shocked even.
Business as usual. How are people still shocked when this occurs?