“When Trump was running again for reelection, I really thought I had the best chance of beating him,” Biden said of his decision to run in 2020. “But I also wasn’t looking to be president when I was 85 years old, 86 years old. And so I did talk about passing the baton.”
So then why the fuck didn't you let a proper primary happen grandpa!? Why didn't you step the fuck down sooner!?
He's legitimately delusional if he thinks that. He only won in 2020 because of a devastating worldwide pandemic that his opponent was in the middle of botching the response to, getting millions of people killed. If not for that we would already be at the end of Trump's second term.
The democratic party needed a real primary without meddling from DNC leadership.
Because you don't give up the incumbent advantage in US Presidential Elections. It is bad strategy, and not only eliminates a very real statistical advantage, it makes the party look very bad which can actively hurt the party beyond just losing the advantage.
There are people who have studied this shit their entire lives. You don't know better than them.
Nearly every incumbent in a Western democracy for the past two years has lost their re-election.
Desperately clinging to out of date concepts in the face of statistics is the reason why you're not a political analyst. The reason Biden stepped down and the reason Trudeau just retired is because polling data made it abundantly clear neither incumbent had a snowball's chance in hell of winning.
You know what would have been the adult move? Him resigning in early 2023 when people were starting to notice senior moments more and more often. Then we would not have had an incumbent who proved he belongs in the memory care ward on national television. You don't suffer a loss like that debate and hide behind strategy. They fucked us. They fucked the country over one senile man's ego.
Not running again in the first place, like the original plan was, would have helped too. Not this botched primary override shit. That's 3 primaries in a row the Dems have fucked with. Stop listening to the damn donors over the voters.
Actually do someone to help the people, you'd win in a land slide.
Just FYI, he didn't say it unprompted but was literally asked if he thought he would:
“It’s presumptuous to say that, but I think yes,” Biden said when asked if he believes he could have won the November election. The president based his assertion on his review of election polling. He conceded, however, that larger questions remained about his ability to complete another four year term.
“When Trump was running again for reelection, I really thought I had the best chance of beating him,” Biden said of his decision to run in 2020. “But I also wasn’t looking to be president when I was 85 years old, 86 years old. And so I did talk about passing the baton.”
The phrase "could have won" carrying a lot of water there. Yes, in theory a golden retriever could have won (and, in my opinion, should have won) against Trump. But a lot of stars were going to have to align given July/August polling and Biden's public image.
Him stepping aside after the debate really was the smartest thing he could have done IMO, for him personally I mean.
That way, if Harris had won he could take credit for selflessly stepping aside and putting country first. And now that she lost he can just say "well I might have won, but you all forced me to quit" and there's no way to prove it definitively either way.
Personally I think Trump won the moment that assassin clipped him and he stood up doing the fist pump in front of the flag. That photo was pure 80s movie cheese and people eat that shit up.
I’ve never realized how smarmy Cindy (? I had no idea i knew more names than just Jan) looks in this. It’s honestly pretty accurate for siblings, but damn does it raise my younger sister ire.
In what universe? Certainly not the one where all polling data had Trump beating him in a landslide, where Biden was so unpopular that he was going to lose the Dems down-ballot races. Biden seriously thinks that the issue with Kamala Harris is that she was a black woman, instead of realizing the issue is that Kamala said she was going to be 4 more years of Joe Biden politics.
I actually hate the idea of using boomer as an insult to people who are just of the right age. To me, you gotta have a certain state of mind and actions to count as a shitty boomer. Just as there's some super cool old hippies out there, there's entitled 30-something Karens out there that need to hear "Ok Boomer."
And let the people pick and not corporations? Never going to happen.
Most states refuse to adopt anything but FPTP because it works in favor of the two parties. Governors across the 50 states have vetoed bills or state wide ballots to enable them. It's easier to win against one than five.
No, it just would have made Trump's victory even more sad and pathetic.
The goose is cooked, Out of Americans who care to get off their ass and vote, there are more Jingoistic Ultranationalists than there are not. Trump's victory was assured if the competition was Kamala or Biden.
I don't think this is true. A lot of the people who voted for Trump in the election are simply disillusioned with the status quo, and rightly so. They don't know enough to know which changes would help, but when only one side promised change, they went with that side.
Trump's victory was assured not by an overwhelming amount of fascist voters, but by an overwhelming amount of unhappy voters combined with Democrats' utter failure to challenge the system that made them unhappy.
Yeah I'm sorry no. If you voted for Trump for the reasons you state (or even decided to not not vote), then that's on you. Stop trying to blame Democrats. Be an adult and take responsibility for your actions.
You have to be extremely stupid to vote for Trump for the reasons you mention. Everything was easily available, there was no reason not to understand why it's idiotic, unless you're ignorant.
You specifically talk about some really fucking stupid "reasoning" for voting for Trump, and then immediately absolve the idiots who made their choice based on that reasoning. No. Just... No.
I voted for democrats, because I know better, but it's a fact that there are a lot of people who don't pay as much attention to politics as I do. Ultimately, most of the people who voted for Trump are not perpetrators, they are victims. Of course I wish they were less ignorant, but I also don't personally blame them, because I'm not into victim-blaming. The blame should be assigned to the perpetrators, the rich and powerful. Democrat leadership very much included.
You really can't wrap your head around thebfsct that more than half of America trusts trump more than the whole democrat party. There are non-bullshit reasons for that too if you'd care to ask anyone. Its completely reasonable to ask why people do not trust democrats, or traditional republicans for that matter. The best option for more than half the country was to try to destroy the federal government.
There is hope. If you read the polls section of the article you will notice that the ruling was very unpopular among people of both parties (among common people, of course I feel that Republicans in office don't agree with their constituents). I think now is the time for a strong campaign fiance reform push. If we can't get it done at the federal level we shall try the state level.
He can also throw a football over those mountains. And he can hold his breath for 17 minutes. He once flew to the moon in a hot air balloon, and had an affair with the Queen of the Moon. He likes green eggs and ham, but never once hopped on pop. He invented the post-it note and once fed a gremlin after midnight with no consequences.
They should have stopped putting him in the news 5 years ago. He's too old to even finish his term with any competence. He's still got 9 days to go and he looks and sounds mostly dead.
Fuck off, dude. Your legacy will be known not for your accomplishments but for how your hubris has done irreparable harm to the future of this country and future generations.
He should have won. He's smarter, more well spoken, has a better moral compass, a better track record on legislation, better health, better administration.
The comments here show pure distain for Biden and I don't understand why. He was better in every single regard and yet the people who claim to support that constantly spit on him at every opportunity. People who act like that way helped trump to victory. You would never see a republican act that way towards trump.
Which includes full send genocide and ignoring constituents who opposed this, including within his own administration.
They only switched to Kamala for the PACs that refused to give lobbying funds because even they knew Biden would easily lose.
Of course PAC money is no match for actual votes, so after Kamala got her campaign paycheck and told the uncommitted movement to get bent, she inevitably lost.
Yes even in the flawed democracy of the USA, constituents ultimately decide who wins. They didn't even bother lying or pandering to voting blocs for support. They straight up banned them from the main DNC rally and refused to meet their demands.
This is such a no brainer. Trump tries his best not to alienate his voter base which is why his policy is hot trash garbage all over the place, but he actually did the bargain basement job of a politician which is to promise changes for your vote, regardless of whether or not he actually fulfills them.
Biden and Kamala were both content in dropping millions of democratic voter demands and willingly losing to Trump to defend a POS ethnostate across the Atlantic.
Have you listened to trump speak? He cannot string together a single coherent sentence. The guy is a moron. The Senile talking point was manufactured by the right and parroted by people like you. Notice how it completely disappeared when it was trump vs harris.
The issue is that Trump is also a senile old person but the issue was framed as "oh well at least he is not as old and senile as Biden" but when biden dropped out the right dropped that talking point and never mentioned it again. Because it was never about that.
Cool, Trump a bat shit insane narcissist who only cares about himself, who can barely say 3 words before losing track of what he was even trying to do. Toddlers have better object permanence than Trump.
Now explain why that is why we should have kept someone on the same path of the same mental leakage trying to win against Trump.
OK I will. The weeks leading up to an election is not the time to be criticizing your candidate if you want to win. You should be supporting and backing your candidate if you think they are the better choice. Your support is what convinces others and insulates your candidate against attacks from the otherside.
Because no one on the left seemed to support Biden the Democrats and were constantly trashing him online (which the right amplified and used for their propaganda) the dems made the hard choice to switch candidates and Harris had 0 time to prepare a campaign and narrative. She did an amazing job but she didn't have the time she needed to win.
You can blame dems for running the wrong candidate but I don't think the dems expected their base to be completely suicidal when so much was at stake. Its not like Biden is a danger to the country, he's had very few controversy and has passed a ton of good legislation.
No my point was that when it was biden v trump age was a huge concern for so many people then when it was harris v trump suddenly they dont care that trump is as old as biden and mentally unfit.
The problem is we watched that debate. The dude belongs in a memory care unit. I still don't know how he avoided being forced to resign the presidency after that.
Your mistake is thinking this was a binary choice. The reality is that both Trump and Biden were competing to convince people to come out and vote. Not to vote for them but just to vote. Nearly everyone would already know if they'd vote Democrat or Republican, the only question was whether they were going to vote at all. Unfortunately Republican and Democrat voters require different motivations.
For Republicans all they need is a target. Someone to be angry at and blame all their problems on. Trump gives them that in spades. They just want someone to tell them it's someone else's fault their life is shit but that they've got a plan to fix it by making someone else suffer. Trump was only too happy to do exactly that.
Democrats meanwhile want to hear exactly how a candidate is planning on fixing problems. Usually not just any problems either, but specifically the problems they care about most. That could be global warming, racism, the wealth gap, workers rights, gun violence, the genocide in Palestine, the housing market, or something else entirely. That is what motivates them to show up to the polls. Biden (and then Harris) largely failed to do that. Instead he put forward plans that either inched towards solving those problems at a snails pace, or like in the case of Palestine outright ignored the problem.
So yes, Biden is objectively a better president than Trump in every metric except for one. The one that actually mattered. The ability to convince people to get off their asses and head to the polls. Honestly at this point the problem isn't even Biden or even Harris, it's the entire DNC and their milquetoast platform.
Ah look someone on the "left" trying to convince people not to vote for the democrat because of Palestine. You must be so happy that this wont be an issue next election because Trump will ensure Palestine doesn't exist.
Ah look someone on the “left” trying to convince people not to vote for the democrat because of Palestine.
The election is over. That ship has sailed.
You must be so happy that you're not only getting the genocide you wanted, but you can also blame everyone to your left for it. They tried to warn you. You didn't listen.
If after reading everything I said that was your takeaway I don't think there's any point in continuing to talk as you're very clearly either not actually reading what was written, or else so utterly failing to understand I have to wonder if it's willful ignorance.
This section is so insane. Its shows how well republicans are able to completely rewrite history through propaganda. Biden stuttered a few times in a 1hr+ debate and answered every question intelligently but he fucked up his words on one question. Trump couldnt answer a single question and proved he had no idea what a tariff was or how tax works. But Trump got a single favourable soundbite so I guess he dominated???
After his disastrous performance in his single debate against Trump, during which the president struggled to form coherent answers to questions and seemed utterly lost in the setting, public confidence in his ability to pull off an electoral victory imploded.
You can't keep letting the right get away with narrative shifting like this. Even if Trump had done nothing the right would be online posting that he had the greatest performance of all time. Support your damn candidate if you want to win.
I watched Biden answer question after question giving a policy example of what his party had done on that issue and acknowledge that even though there was more work to be done he was working on doing it then he would give the policy example that he was working on.
I then watched trump ignore every single question ramble about immigrants eating dogs, make up hyperbolic statements he thought might sound good to his audience. In the context of the discussion he made no sense.
You can point to that one question but you need to remember Biden answered the question intelligently and the stutter you are talking about was 10seconds in an hour long debate.
During the debate Biden looked like the resident of an old folks home who walked down the wrong hallway and can't find his way back to the common room.
Everyone who watched the debate saw that. It was a DISASTER for him.
During the debate Biden stuttered a few times(as he has done throughout his life) and misspoke once. Meanwhile Trump rambled incoherently and made up random shit. I don't think Trump made a single true statement that entire debate.
Are you really telling me that you watch a presidential debate and you don't even slightly consider what each candidate is saying? I thought people on lemmy would be a little more intelligent than that.
Dont take what I'm saying as me trying to convince you that Biden was a youthful spirit. I'm only pointing out that Trump is a moron who is able to dodge all criticism and even an 80+ year old Biden is still far above him mentally if you listen to his answers.
It's more about what Biden didn't say than what he said, and as I pointed out in the megapost at the time, he looked like a lost little boy who walked into the wrong room.
The killer bit was AFTER the debate, the post show, he was energized and articulate, a performance completely missing from the debate itself, which shows the lie of "well, he had a cold, he was tired" etc. etc. He was fine AFTER the debate, where was THAT Biden?
Here's what I'm talking about specifically, the look of a slack jawed dementia patient.
Why do people hold Biden to such a high standard when the guy next to him is a complete moron. I'm not going to shit on Biden because he didn't live up to this idea in my head. If he makes a better case than the other guy that's enough. From the debate I think he walked circles around trump on every single issue.
Debates aren't entirely about issues, it's about appearances. We learned that in 1960 with the first televised debate between Kennedy and Nixon. The people who heard it on the radio were convinced Nixon won. The people who watched it on television thought Nixon came across shifty, sweaty, and deceitful, handing it to Kennedy.
Largely because Nixon refused the makeup required for television. Nixon lost the election.
If you appear weak, you are weak, and the inverse is equally true. Trump is /r/confidentlywrong personified, but all the people care about is the confident part, not the wrong part
I know that and I never said or implied they were entirely about issues. Im just trying to find out why so many people who seem more intelligent than the average person ended up judging the debate of rhetoric with zero regard for each candiates answers.
Biden overestimated the american population and should have just called Trump a fat cunt every time he was asked a question.
It's not right wing narrative. After I watched the debate I was pissed and felt like the Biden administration had hid the fact that Biden isn't in a condition to be president because that's what happened.
Trump didn't have any coherent answers but you could at least hear him
yes 1 3s misspeak after he had just provided a good answer to the question. Do you have a single example of a question trump answered better than biden?
yes 1 3s misspeak after he had just provided a good answer to the question.
He gave a rambling trumpian answer and ended it with nonsense. And just like all of Trump's cult, you're making excuses for obvious cognitive decline.
He's not running anymore. You don't have to carry water for him,
Do you have a single example of a question trump answered better than biden?
Trump shat the bed too. The difference is that Trump has a cult and Biden has a few scattered diehard centrists. Trump wasn't going to lose any votes that night. Biden did. You don't have the same base. Democrats respond differently than Republicans do.
You do realize that there are people who can be swayed and when they go online and see the right saying they won't and the left saying it's over they will immediately go to the right.
Trump is successful because his base supports him and acts like he won no matter how stupid he sounded.
People on the left could easily find stuff to support and get excited about and hold their criticism for after the election.
The fact that you think a bad Biden answer is equivalent to a normal Trump answer should be enough reason to shit on Trump and support Biden(vocally). Its over now but in retrospective.
Saying good things about the candidate you support leading up to an eletection is being smart. Its stupid to say bad things about a candidate you support leading up to an election.
I literally called it the night of the debate that they were going to overreact to him being sick, and not even talk about the multiple lies that Trump told. Sure enough within a week, he was stepping down.
Trump lies every time he speaks, it's the expectation and he met it. That's not news. Biden showed up looking like he was on death's door when he hadn't before, that is news.
In a world where we could have stopped doing the fascists' work for them by calling him old and senile and attacking him at every step? Yeah. I think he would have. Americans like old white guys who enable genocide. Americans hate women. Especially brown women.
That said? I also think we needed the "We have a better choice" of Kamala and the real problem is just that people don't fucking care enough to vote.
So for all my many many many many problems with how the Democrats have handled the election and the fallout of it... I'll give a mulligan on this.
They had internal polling showing Trump would take 400 electoral votes after that debate. If you don't remember how disastrous it was then go watch it again.
And there was the better part of a year between the debate and the election. Attention spans are short considering we elected a guy who attempted a coup and has financial ties to the Kremlin.
Again, the biggest shifts in voter demographics were white men and hispanic men. Who both voted for the white old guy dem but not the woman dem.
I'll never get over how people gave me shit for thinking dropping out of the race 4 months before the election to push for kamala was the dumbest fuckin thing any of them could've done.
Biden was polling worse than Kamala, so yes you still deserve shit. Biden had no chance in hell of winning. The dumb thing was running Biden at all in the first place and then switching to someone who wouldn’t denounce the crisis in Palestine.
Honestly we should've been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win. But backing down 4 months before the election was the most cowardly tail tucking thing they did. If he was gonna back down it should've been from the beginning.
Step 2 of that mistake was not holding an open primary to, at least, try to simulate an actual primary. 2 out of the last 3 dem potus nods have been all out coronation. The only outlier was biden who gave strong signals that his presidency would be a single term "return to normalcy".
I know you're way more prescient than anyone else, but for all we know there are other reasons he stepped down when he did. What should he have done if for example he was diagnosed with stage 2 cancer of some kind?
The democrats fucked up in many ways but it's kinda gauche to be here claiming you knew everything that would happen and anyone who challenged you was an idiot.
and then switching to someone who wouldn’t denounce the crisis in Palestine.
Why do people here think they deserve to be catered to?
I support Palestine and I'm completely against Israel's genocide.
However, I'm not delusional. I understand the (voting) demographics in the US. And given the track record of progressive voters and parties (that is: completely uninvolved at every level, and crawling out of a hole every 4 years to be a spoiler candidate, only to vanish for another 4 years, respectively), I have no expectation that one of the two major parties in our bullshit two party system, is going to cater to or pander to my pet issues. No matter how important they may be. Why the fuck would they? We're not even a real voting bloc.
Leftists seem to think that they're just entitled to representation without doing a single fucking thing to create it. Instead they just whine about other people on the left (yes, including Democrats).
Leftists seem to think that they’re just entitled to representation without doing a single fucking thing to create it. Instead they just whine about other people on the left (yes, inducing Democrats).
So are we too small to listen to for anything, or such a big voting base across all swing states that we should have been listened to?
Kamala didn't do anything different either. Her entire campaign was "I'm not Trump or Biden" even though she had pretty much all the same policies as Biden.
Right here, happy to tell Joe Biden he's fucking wrong and his party knows it.
Biden's ass got thrown to the curb because even armchair political analysts with access to only public data could read the writing on the wall. He was so unpopular he was effecting donors and down-ballot races.
The only reason Joe doesn't realize he had no chance is because he's so dementia-addled he has forgotten. Kamala Harris running on Joe Biden's platform could not do it, how on earth do you seriously think Joe could?
Sure grandpa, let's get you to bed.
Lmao exactly what I thought when opening this thread
“When Trump was running again for reelection, I really thought I had the best chance of beating him,” Biden said of his decision to run in 2020. “But I also wasn’t looking to be president when I was 85 years old, 86 years old. And so I did talk about passing the baton.”
So then why the fuck didn't you let a proper primary happen grandpa!? Why didn't you step the fuck down sooner!?
(Insert goose chasing meme here)
He's legitimately delusional if he thinks that. He only won in 2020 because of a devastating worldwide pandemic that his opponent was in the middle of botching the response to, getting millions of people killed. If not for that we would already be at the end of Trump's second term.
The democratic party needed a real primary without meddling from DNC leadership.
Because you don't give up the incumbent advantage in US Presidential Elections. It is bad strategy, and not only eliminates a very real statistical advantage, it makes the party look very bad which can actively hurt the party beyond just losing the advantage.
There are people who have studied this shit their entire lives. You don't know better than them.
Yes, but when other incumbent governments were being voted out all over the world after the pandemic that should have been a red flag at least.
Even the ones that handled it well, like nz
Are you saying that Biden would have done better than Harris?
Nearly every incumbent in a Western democracy for the past two years has lost their re-election.
Desperately clinging to out of date concepts in the face of statistics is the reason why you're not a political analyst. The reason Biden stepped down and the reason Trudeau just retired is because polling data made it abundantly clear neither incumbent had a snowball's chance in hell of winning.
You know what would have been the adult move? Him resigning in early 2023 when people were starting to notice senior moments more and more often. Then we would not have had an incumbent who proved he belongs in the memory care ward on national television. You don't suffer a loss like that debate and hide behind strategy. They fucked us. They fucked the country over one senile man's ego.
Looking at the polling, Biden was on track to lose worse than Harris did. So, no, he would not have beaten Trump.
Not after that first debate you wouldn’t have
He is ruining his legacy and needs to shut up. He fucked up many times, no need to add to the pile now.
Trump, Genocide, Protectionism, State sponsored hate, and an illegal asylum policy.
yeah yeah, perfect is the enemy of imperfect
Trump is Biden's legacy? You realize that he was president before Biden, right?
Anything to blame Democrats for the awful shit Republicans do...
You said "Trump is his legacy."
That's fucking dumb.
K
Trump's re-election is Biden's legacy. Condescending and deliberately obtuse don't go well together.
Not running again in the first place, like the original plan was, would have helped too. Not this botched primary override shit. That's 3 primaries in a row the Dems have fucked with. Stop listening to the damn donors over the voters.
Actually do someone to help the people, you'd win in a land slide.
And stop sponsoring genocide
Just FYI, he didn't say it unprompted but was literally asked if he thought he would:
The phrase "could have won" carrying a lot of water there. Yes, in theory a golden retriever could have won (and, in my opinion, should have won) against Trump. But a lot of stars were going to have to align given July/August polling and Biden's public image.
There's literally no rule that says a dog can't be president!
Or a drooling invalid. He did promise nothing would fundamentally change, so no skills even needed to accomplish that goal..
He had a 0.000000000...000001% chance.
Him stepping aside after the debate really was the smartest thing he could have done IMO, for him personally I mean.
That way, if Harris had won he could take credit for selflessly stepping aside and putting country first. And now that she lost he can just say "well I might have won, but you all forced me to quit" and there's no way to prove it definitively either way.
Personally I think Trump won the moment that assassin clipped him and he stood up doing the fist pump in front of the flag. That photo was pure 80s movie cheese and people eat that shit up.
Centrist is delusional and utterly lacking in self awareness. Learns absolutely nothing from losing every branch of government. News at 11.
Elderly narcissist continues to be narcissistic.
A wet blanket could have beaten Trump if it promises tax-paid single payer health care.
But, it would never happen because the rich 1% would refuse to donate.
I’ve never realized how smarmy Cindy (? I had no idea i knew more names than just Jan) looks in this. It’s honestly pretty accurate for siblings, but damn does it raise my younger sister ire.
In what universe? Certainly not the one where all polling data had Trump beating him in a landslide, where Biden was so unpopular that he was going to lose the Dems down-ballot races. Biden seriously thinks that the issue with Kamala Harris is that she was a black woman, instead of realizing the issue is that Kamala said she was going to be 4 more years of Joe Biden politics.
Rest in piss you dementia-addled boomer.
He's actually too old to be a boomer, just like Trump.
Nothing wrong with the rest of your post.
I actually hate the idea of using boomer as an insult to people who are just of the right age. To me, you gotta have a certain state of mind and actions to count as a shitty boomer. Just as there's some super cool old hippies out there, there's entitled 30-something Karens out there that need to hear "Ok Boomer."
And let the people pick and not corporations? Never going to happen.
Most states refuse to adopt anything but FPTP because it works in favor of the two parties. Governors across the 50 states have vetoed bills or state wide ballots to enable them. It's easier to win against one than five.
This was just one of his pranks he's famous for.
No, it just would have made Trump's victory even more sad and pathetic. The goose is cooked, Out of Americans who care to get off their ass and vote, there are more Jingoistic Ultranationalists than there are not. Trump's victory was assured if the competition was Kamala or Biden.
I don't think this is true. A lot of the people who voted for Trump in the election are simply disillusioned with the status quo, and rightly so. They don't know enough to know which changes would help, but when only one side promised change, they went with that side.
Trump's victory was assured not by an overwhelming amount of fascist voters, but by an overwhelming amount of unhappy voters combined with Democrats' utter failure to challenge the system that made them unhappy.
Yeah I'm sorry no. If you voted for Trump for the reasons you state (or even decided to not not vote), then that's on you. Stop trying to blame Democrats. Be an adult and take responsibility for your actions.
You have to be extremely stupid to vote for Trump for the reasons you mention. Everything was easily available, there was no reason not to understand why it's idiotic, unless you're ignorant.
You specifically talk about some really fucking stupid "reasoning" for voting for Trump, and then immediately absolve the idiots who made their choice based on that reasoning. No. Just... No.
I voted for democrats, because I know better, but it's a fact that there are a lot of people who don't pay as much attention to politics as I do. Ultimately, most of the people who voted for Trump are not perpetrators, they are victims. Of course I wish they were less ignorant, but I also don't personally blame them, because I'm not into victim-blaming. The blame should be assigned to the perpetrators, the rich and powerful. Democrat leadership very much included.
You really can't wrap your head around thebfsct that more than half of America trusts trump more than the whole democrat party. There are non-bullshit reasons for that too if you'd care to ask anyone. Its completely reasonable to ask why people do not trust democrats, or traditional republicans for that matter. The best option for more than half the country was to try to destroy the federal government.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_United_v._FEC
No, President Biden, I do not believe that you could have.
There is hope. If you read the polls section of the article you will notice that the ruling was very unpopular among people of both parties (among common people, of course I feel that Republicans in office don't agree with their constituents). I think now is the time for a strong campaign fiance reform push. If we can't get it done at the federal level we shall try the state level.
He can also throw a football over those mountains. And he can hold his breath for 17 minutes. He once flew to the moon in a hot air balloon, and had an affair with the Queen of the Moon. He likes green eggs and ham, but never once hopped on pop. He invented the post-it note and once fed a gremlin after midnight with no consequences.
Ah now i know you're fibbing
No.
Just gonna put this here...
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2025/jan/2/cover-biden-cognitive-decline-legacy/
Not unles we had another pandemic he wouldn't have. Covid won him the election.
They should have stopped putting him in the news 5 years ago. He's too old to even finish his term with any competence. He's still got 9 days to go and he looks and sounds mostly dead.
Boy that dementia's really settling in, huh?
Next week's news:
Joe biden found standing at community gate in his pyjamas asking people if he won a seat in the senate.
Fuck off, dude. Your legacy will be known not for your accomplishments but for how your hubris has done irreparable harm to the future of this country and future generations.
He should have won. He's smarter, more well spoken, has a better moral compass, a better track record on legislation, better health, better administration.
The comments here show pure distain for Biden and I don't understand why. He was better in every single regard and yet the people who claim to support that constantly spit on him at every opportunity. People who act like that way helped trump to victory. You would never see a republican act that way towards trump.
Senile on public display including the debate
Which includes full send genocide and ignoring constituents who opposed this, including within his own administration.
They only switched to Kamala for the PACs that refused to give lobbying funds because even they knew Biden would easily lose.
Of course PAC money is no match for actual votes, so after Kamala got her campaign paycheck and told the uncommitted movement to get bent, she inevitably lost.
Yes even in the flawed democracy of the USA, constituents ultimately decide who wins. They didn't even bother lying or pandering to voting blocs for support. They straight up banned them from the main DNC rally and refused to meet their demands.
This is such a no brainer. Trump tries his best not to alienate his voter base which is why his policy is hot trash garbage all over the place, but he actually did the bargain basement job of a politician which is to promise changes for your vote, regardless of whether or not he actually fulfills them.
Biden and Kamala were both content in dropping millions of democratic voter demands and willingly losing to Trump to defend a POS ethnostate across the Atlantic.
Of course they lost every single swing state.
Have you listened to trump speak? He cannot string together a single coherent sentence. The guy is a moron. The Senile talking point was manufactured by the right and parroted by people like you. Notice how it completely disappeared when it was trump vs harris.
Is your point that people stopped talking about Biden being senile when Biden was no longer in the race? Because…
"This candidate has issues with being coherent. Let's remove him with a younger fresher candidate."
"Did you ever notice how once they removed the grandpa with dementia, no one was calling for him to be removed??? Wake up sheeple!!"
The issue is that Trump is also a senile old person but the issue was framed as "oh well at least he is not as old and senile as Biden" but when biden dropped out the right dropped that talking point and never mentioned it again. Because it was never about that.
Cool, Trump a bat shit insane narcissist who only cares about himself, who can barely say 3 words before losing track of what he was even trying to do. Toddlers have better object permanence than Trump.
Now explain why that is why we should have kept someone on the same path of the same mental leakage trying to win against Trump.
OK I will. The weeks leading up to an election is not the time to be criticizing your candidate if you want to win. You should be supporting and backing your candidate if you think they are the better choice. Your support is what convinces others and insulates your candidate against attacks from the otherside.
Because no one on the left seemed to support Biden the Democrats and were constantly trashing him online (which the right amplified and used for their propaganda) the dems made the hard choice to switch candidates and Harris had 0 time to prepare a campaign and narrative. She did an amazing job but she didn't have the time she needed to win.
You can blame dems for running the wrong candidate but I don't think the dems expected their base to be completely suicidal when so much was at stake. Its not like Biden is a danger to the country, he's had very few controversy and has passed a ton of good legislation.
No my point was that when it was biden v trump age was a huge concern for so many people then when it was harris v trump suddenly they dont care that trump is as old as biden and mentally unfit.
The problem is we watched that debate. The dude belongs in a memory care unit. I still don't know how he avoided being forced to resign the presidency after that.
Your mistake is thinking this was a binary choice. The reality is that both Trump and Biden were competing to convince people to come out and vote. Not to vote for them but just to vote. Nearly everyone would already know if they'd vote Democrat or Republican, the only question was whether they were going to vote at all. Unfortunately Republican and Democrat voters require different motivations.
For Republicans all they need is a target. Someone to be angry at and blame all their problems on. Trump gives them that in spades. They just want someone to tell them it's someone else's fault their life is shit but that they've got a plan to fix it by making someone else suffer. Trump was only too happy to do exactly that.
Democrats meanwhile want to hear exactly how a candidate is planning on fixing problems. Usually not just any problems either, but specifically the problems they care about most. That could be global warming, racism, the wealth gap, workers rights, gun violence, the genocide in Palestine, the housing market, or something else entirely. That is what motivates them to show up to the polls. Biden (and then Harris) largely failed to do that. Instead he put forward plans that either inched towards solving those problems at a snails pace, or like in the case of Palestine outright ignored the problem.
So yes, Biden is objectively a better president than Trump in every metric except for one. The one that actually mattered. The ability to convince people to get off their asses and head to the polls. Honestly at this point the problem isn't even Biden or even Harris, it's the entire DNC and their milquetoast platform.
Ah look someone on the "left" trying to convince people not to vote for the democrat because of Palestine. You must be so happy that this wont be an issue next election because Trump will ensure Palestine doesn't exist.
The election is over. That ship has sailed.
You must be so happy that you're not only getting the genocide you wanted, but you can also blame everyone to your left for it. They tried to warn you. You didn't listen.
Liberals love genocide, it's why both parties support it and treat it as equaling out.
"If both sides have normalized genocide, neither side is worse than the other. So why not support the genocide to go harder?"
I'm not blaming people to my left. You arent to the left of me. You're to the right.
Genocide is a right-wing policy. I don't support it. You do.
If after reading everything I said that was your takeaway I don't think there's any point in continuing to talk as you're very clearly either not actually reading what was written, or else so utterly failing to understand I have to wonder if it's willful ignorance.
This section is so insane. Its shows how well republicans are able to completely rewrite history through propaganda. Biden stuttered a few times in a 1hr+ debate and answered every question intelligently but he fucked up his words on one question. Trump couldnt answer a single question and proved he had no idea what a tariff was or how tax works. But Trump got a single favourable soundbite so I guess he dominated???
You can't keep letting the right get away with narrative shifting like this. Even if Trump had done nothing the right would be online posting that he had the greatest performance of all time. Support your damn candidate if you want to win.
I watched the debate and your take is so far from reality it's a joke.
We watched a senile old man say he killed medicare. These were not stutters or missteps. This was serious mental decline on exhibit for over an hour.
As much as I dislike Trump, Biden is simply unfit mentally, right now this moment end of story.
I watched Biden answer question after question giving a policy example of what his party had done on that issue and acknowledge that even though there was more work to be done he was working on doing it then he would give the policy example that he was working on.
I then watched trump ignore every single question ramble about immigrants eating dogs, make up hyperbolic statements he thought might sound good to his audience. In the context of the discussion he made no sense.
You can point to that one question but you need to remember Biden answered the question intelligently and the stutter you are talking about was 10seconds in an hour long debate.
Please read just a tiny bit of this and tell me you still stand behind your comment. https://edition.cnn.com/2024/06/27/politics/read-biden-trump-debate-rush-transcript/index.html
For my sanity.
During the debate Biden looked like the resident of an old folks home who walked down the wrong hallway and can't find his way back to the common room.
Everyone who watched the debate saw that. It was a DISASTER for him.
During the debate Biden stuttered a few times(as he has done throughout his life) and misspoke once. Meanwhile Trump rambled incoherently and made up random shit. I don't think Trump made a single true statement that entire debate.
Are you really telling me that you watch a presidential debate and you don't even slightly consider what each candidate is saying? I thought people on lemmy would be a little more intelligent than that.
Dont take what I'm saying as me trying to convince you that Biden was a youthful spirit. I'm only pointing out that Trump is a moron who is able to dodge all criticism and even an 80+ year old Biden is still far above him mentally if you listen to his answers.
It's more about what Biden didn't say than what he said, and as I pointed out in the megapost at the time, he looked like a lost little boy who walked into the wrong room.
The killer bit was AFTER the debate, the post show, he was energized and articulate, a performance completely missing from the debate itself, which shows the lie of "well, he had a cold, he was tired" etc. etc. He was fine AFTER the debate, where was THAT Biden?
Here's what I'm talking about specifically, the look of a slack jawed dementia patient.
https://www.youtube.com/live/qqG96G8YdcE#t=12m8s
He lost the debate 12 minutes in.
Then you compare that to the Joe who showed up AFTER:
https://youtu.be/6js_ICtFtLA
It's a night and day difference.
Why do people hold Biden to such a high standard when the guy next to him is a complete moron. I'm not going to shit on Biden because he didn't live up to this idea in my head. If he makes a better case than the other guy that's enough. From the debate I think he walked circles around trump on every single issue.
Debates aren't entirely about issues, it's about appearances. We learned that in 1960 with the first televised debate between Kennedy and Nixon. The people who heard it on the radio were convinced Nixon won. The people who watched it on television thought Nixon came across shifty, sweaty, and deceitful, handing it to Kennedy.
https://www.cla.purdue.edu/academic/history/debate/kennedynixon/kennedynixonscholarly.html
Largely because Nixon refused the makeup required for television. Nixon lost the election.
If you appear weak, you are weak, and the inverse is equally true. Trump is /r/confidentlywrong personified, but all the people care about is the confident part, not the wrong part
I know that and I never said or implied they were entirely about issues. Im just trying to find out why so many people who seem more intelligent than the average person ended up judging the debate of rhetoric with zero regard for each candiates answers.
Biden overestimated the american population and should have just called Trump a fat cunt every time he was asked a question.
It's not right wing narrative. After I watched the debate I was pissed and felt like the Biden administration had hid the fact that Biden isn't in a condition to be president because that's what happened.
Trump didn't have any coherent answers but you could at least hear him
What question do you think Biden answered worse than trump? Also do you think that Trump is mentally health?
We finally beat Medicare.
Golfing in Afghanistan
yes 1 3s misspeak after he had just provided a good answer to the question. Do you have a single example of a question trump answered better than biden?
He gave a rambling trumpian answer and ended it with nonsense. And just like all of Trump's cult, you're making excuses for obvious cognitive decline.
He's not running anymore. You don't have to carry water for him,
Trump shat the bed too. The difference is that Trump has a cult and Biden has a few scattered diehard centrists. Trump wasn't going to lose any votes that night. Biden did. You don't have the same base. Democrats respond differently than Republicans do.
You do realize that there are people who can be swayed and when they go online and see the right saying they won't and the left saying it's over they will immediately go to the right.
Trump is successful because his base supports him and acts like he won no matter how stupid he sounded.
People on the left could easily find stuff to support and get excited about and hold their criticism for after the election.
The fact that you think a bad Biden answer is equivalent to a normal Trump answer should be enough reason to shit on Trump and support Biden(vocally). Its over now but in retrospective.
And you envy that. You want Democrats to be as stupid as Republicans.
We're not going to pretend a shit sandwich is perfect just because you like the taste.
Saying good things about the candidate you support leading up to an eletection is being smart. Its stupid to say bad things about a candidate you support leading up to an election.
I literally called it the night of the debate that they were going to overreact to him being sick, and not even talk about the multiple lies that Trump told. Sure enough within a week, he was stepping down.
Trump lies every time he speaks, it's the expectation and he met it. That's not news. Biden showed up looking like he was on death's door when he hadn't before, that is news.
Dude, the video is available. It was really that bad.
In a world where we could have stopped doing the fascists' work for them by calling him old and senile and attacking him at every step? Yeah. I think he would have. Americans like old white guys who enable genocide. Americans hate women. Especially brown women.
That said? I also think we needed the "We have a better choice" of Kamala and the real problem is just that people don't fucking care enough to vote.
So for all my many many many many problems with how the Democrats have handled the election and the fallout of it... I'll give a mulligan on this.
Then you're just another centrist absolutely determined to learn nothing from this catastrophe on your watch.
He probably would have even after the debate.
The biggest shifts in voters where white men and hispanic men. The two goups with machismo issues.
So basically they lost by running a woman
They had internal polling showing Trump would take 400 electoral votes after that debate. If you don't remember how disastrous it was then go watch it again.
And there was the better part of a year between the debate and the election. Attention spans are short considering we elected a guy who attempted a coup and has financial ties to the Kremlin.
Again, the biggest shifts in voter demographics were white men and hispanic men. Who both voted for the white old guy dem but not the woman dem.
They aren't that short. And what are the odds he spikes the second debate too? This isn't T-Ball, you don't get your guaranteed batting chance.
I'll never get over how people gave me shit for thinking dropping out of the race 4 months before the election to push for kamala was the dumbest fuckin thing any of them could've done.
Now we are where we are.
Where are all you jackasses now?
Biden was polling worse than Kamala, so yes you still deserve shit. Biden had no chance in hell of winning. The dumb thing was running Biden at all in the first place and then switching to someone who wouldn’t denounce the crisis in Palestine.
Honestly we should've been able to run a wet paper bag against Trump and win. But backing down 4 months before the election was the most cowardly tail tucking thing they did. If he was gonna back down it should've been from the beginning.
Wet Paper Bag 2028
Step 2 of that mistake was not holding an open primary to, at least, try to simulate an actual primary. 2 out of the last 3 dem potus nods have been all out coronation. The only outlier was biden who gave strong signals that his presidency would be a single term "return to normalcy".
I know you're way more prescient than anyone else, but for all we know there are other reasons he stepped down when he did. What should he have done if for example he was diagnosed with stage 2 cancer of some kind?
The democrats fucked up in many ways but it's kinda gauche to be here claiming you knew everything that would happen and anyone who challenged you was an idiot.
O wise one, any beautiful knowledge you can bestow upon us morons who cannot literally see the future??
Why do people here think they deserve to be catered to?
I support Palestine and I'm completely against Israel's genocide.
However, I'm not delusional. I understand the (voting) demographics in the US. And given the track record of progressive voters and parties (that is: completely uninvolved at every level, and crawling out of a hole every 4 years to be a spoiler candidate, only to vanish for another 4 years, respectively), I have no expectation that one of the two major parties in our bullshit two party system, is going to cater to or pander to my pet issues. No matter how important they may be. Why the fuck would they? We're not even a real voting bloc.
Leftists seem to think that they're just entitled to representation without doing a single fucking thing to create it. Instead they just whine about other people on the left (yes, including Democrats).
If they're too insignificant to listen to, they're too insignificant to blame.
democrats aren't on the left
In American politics, given the current state of the Overton Window, they are center-left.
if words don't mean things, this is true
They literally just said I'm using words wrong. While saying American has a center left pafty.
It's so funny they can't read their own words properly.
Ronald Reagan would be a leftist in 2024 then?
Do you even understand the words that you're typing? Fuck off.
Ironic.
So are we too small to listen to for anything, or such a big voting base across all swing states that we should have been listened to?
Are we both strong and weak?
At what point in my comment did I say that we should have been listened to?
"We."
Don't make me laugh.
We're all impressed that you know who Eugene Debs is.
I'm more impressed you consider yourself on the left after you've frequently defended liberalism. Slugs for Salt thinking they're Slugs for Sugar.
His last debate against Trump was awful. He made Trump look sane in comparison.
The problem with the Democrats is that they’re lame. Their entire stick was ”we’re not Trump” and ”more of the same”. Biden wouldn’t change that.
Kamala didn't do anything different either. Her entire campaign was "I'm not Trump or Biden" even though she had pretty much all the same policies as Biden.
Except where she moved to Biden's right.
Right here, happy to tell Joe Biden he's fucking wrong and his party knows it.
Biden's ass got thrown to the curb because even armchair political analysts with access to only public data could read the writing on the wall. He was so unpopular he was effecting donors and down-ballot races.
The only reason Joe doesn't realize he had no chance is because he's so dementia-addled he has forgotten. Kamala Harris running on Joe Biden's platform could not do it, how on earth do you seriously think Joe could?