In 2025, People Will Try Living in This Underwater Habitat
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Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his brow? 'No!' says the man in Washington, 'It belongs to the poor.' 'No!' says the man in the Vatican, 'It belongs to God.' 'No!' says the man in Moscow, 'It belongs to everyone.' I rejected those answers; instead, I chose something different. I chose the impossible. I chose... Rapture, a city where the artist would not fear the censor, where the scientist would not be bound by petty morality, Where the great would not be constrained by the small! And with the sweat of your brow, Rapture can become your city as well.
“Unless that man is an actual laborer, haha, fuck those plebs”
Is a man not entitled to the sweat of his chattel property's brow?
I'm having mixed feelings. Are we going here or not? On one hand no censoring... On the other hand... No censoring. Also doom, but there's also doom here too.
Perhaps. But I think I may have figured out their logic....... no bears under water. So they won't have to worry about bear attack while drowning from lack of maintenance
Giant squids are the bears of the ocean
Hell yeah they are. Them's my boys.
Water bears
lots of leopards though
Yeah, they wouldn't need to worry about bears, but I doubt the panic would allow them the time to contemplate the phrase, "No single drop thinks it's to blame for the flood" very much.
i doubt they'd have time to drown tbh, at depth a small leak is likely to cause immediate and sudden implosion, instantly crushing anyone inside. not sure how that would play out in a larger non-circular space though like rapture.
Yes! Everytime anyone says anything about Libertarians I bring up Keene, NH. A Libertarian utopia that was so awesome, Black Bears joined the fun and took over the town.
Grafton, not Keene. Keene did have some free staters, but the cryptocurrency sovereign citizen pedophile kind.
Oh yeah! Grafton. Got those two mixed up lmao. They cut the towns taxes to zero and couldn't pay the garbage pickup. That brought the bears who proceeded to rule the town.
Holy shit they made SCP-2875 a real thing
I don't remember being able to play Doom in BioShock... 🤔
"Oxygen."
Lubricant is required
😮
So everyone is gonna sound like mice when they get crushed under the weight of the ocean?
Hmm... maybe not? The low density of helium at 1 atm is what causes the amplification of higher frequencies in the voicebox, but in a pressurized container the gas would be higher density so it might offset the effect... I think?
If the original SeaLab tests in the 60s were any indication, YES. Check out Scott Carpenter’s voice on this recording with LBJ. https://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3wkh6s
Love the horribly confused operator trying to fix problems with her equipment before putting the call through to the president.
They definitely sound funny even pressurised hehe
Apparently when doing saturation diving like that you can't even understand what the other person says, between the helium and the pressure the voice is too distorted to be intelligible.
You can communicate with a computer that transforms your voice to be intelligible but it is really not a pleasant conversation so you can stay there for weeks without having a conversation except for the bare minimum.
What they mean is they will need to use the amount of energy that you would normally put into air to get it to 31° C, but the helium will only get to 21° C. At no point will the helium actually be 31° C.
“I dub thee Sir Phobos, Knight of Mars, beater of ass.”
Chopper Dave!
Man why did I have to go so far down to find this one? Lol
Eggers, sir
Mustache on or off?
Too bad
If you're lookin for me,
You'd better check under the sea,
Cause that is where you'll find me,
Underneath the seaaaaaa lab,
Underneath the water,
Seaaaaa lab....
Vanguard is now under Martian Law!
Bizzaro I love you bizzaro!
Will it be filled to the brim with billionaires so it can also malfunction and we are on time for the annual billionaire sacrifice to the sea gods?
Researchers are rarely rich, despite deserving it more than others.
Sealab 2025?
Lol, that show is among the stupidest things I've ever loved.
It's not a toy. It makes real cupcakes... with a 40 watt bulb... and there's icing packets. But the secret ingredient is love... Damn it.
Sparks: … would you ever put your brain in a robot body?
Murphy: Why? I like my body. Ha, I love my body.
Well hello, consumer, yes hello consumer bop bop bop bop be da bup bebop cola!
And I say to myself... I need exact change...
Dart in the neck!
I want to be an Adrienne Barbeaubot!
Read headline, music immediately started in my head, "if you're looking for me..."
You better check under the sea!
I love me some Mingus Dew
Only if they inaugurate Vanguard on the day of the Feast of Alvis.
So Bioshock….
Well, it's just scientists, so Sealab 2021.
Eventually, the techbros will make a cheaper version and add the pod to the end though.
as long as they don’t use a logitech controller i’m sure it’ll be fine
The logitech controller was fine, although it was questionable to be using a bluetooth one.
The F710 isn't Bluetooth; it uses its own dongle.
Still.
I now wonder if part of the reason that all happened is because the controller battery died, so they couldn't ascend.
Nah, the shell cracked, pretty much instant death. Dodgy tech works until it doesn't, only the first critical failure matters
Well duh? I've read the reports. I mean that maybe they went too deep because the controller died. Eg, dude holds button that tells controllers to go deeper. Controller dies... Sub just takes last input and keeps going deeper until it hits the catastrophic depth.
Guy was an idiot for sure, I just wonder if the controller played ANY role at all.
It seems unlikely... The vessel wasn't up to the challenge of anywhere near that depth, and they intended to go that deep from the get go.
I mean, it could be, but Bluetooth shouldn't work like that - it's a digital signal with a bunch of failure modes in the spec. You'd have to code it particularly stupidly to have that kind of problem - it's a very time-synched protocol, even a sudden disconnect with no disconnect signal is something a coder would have to confront explicitly if they were using off the shelf components
I'm not one to bet against bad code, but the decompression seemed to be pretty much instant and within the planned trip, it just seems like it doesn't survive oscams razor
The plan was to go to the Titanic, which is on the bottom of the sea. Controller malfunction or not, the hull was the issue.
Pod 6? I hate Pod 6!
Total suck pod.
Would you kindly...
Billionaires first
Titan II: Back for more billionaires
And in 2026, deep divers will be searching for datapads to find out what went wrong.
"So we found these slugs that produce magic stem cells..."
Add in "But harvesting it angered the psychic primordial shark that we worship as a god." And you've got the rough plot for the water planet from Kotor 1.
Maybe the pact holds longer in those silos 😆
Build them as connectable hexagons. Learn from the insects, they've had a half billion years to figure out what shit works and what shit don't.
Sure when in air. Not so much for underwater or really anywhere where they have to deal with a pressure differential, either positive or negative, where large flat sides are detrimental.
The hexagon is only stronger than a circle if you're gridding it.
EDIT (stronger for the TOTAL material used)
Did you mean "truncated icosahedron"? A hexagon is 2d.
Nah if you only build a 2D structure, you won't have to worry about the water pressure because your structure will likely not be able to interact with 3D matter. It's genius engineering IMHO.
About 4 years late, but whatever.
Why do I apparently have the entire theme song still in my brain meats? I only thought the show was ok during its original Adult Swim run, and it wasn't even a brain wormie theme. I apparently need to go back and watch it again to see what's up.
I am probably a minority, but I think it's the funniest of the early Adult Swim originals.
Well I am going to put it to the test and see if it's available anywhere to binge watch. I remember it being perfectly fine and enjoyable, but never one I was intentionally waiting to watch. Time to find out if it holds up or even gets better with age.
The feng shui episode was the best one.
The Feast of Alvis is my favorite.
The best show on Netflix
The jerks in Pod Six made you late, didn't they?
Very interesting to read, but sounds so astronomically expensive and reliant on zero mistakes in every single aspect of manufacturing every single thing going into the pods, that no one will sustain paying for this shit beyond angel investors.
Yep I own a hardcover of it; fucking fantastic book, and excellent film adaptation.
Ooh. Dunno about the adaptation side of things. I will say that I read the damned thing all in one night. Had to stay home from classes after doing so. Good book, to say the least.
Many people said the same things about the ISS, I'm sure.
Sure, but space habitats are far far more useful than underwater ones
There is definitively no shortage of challenges in orbit
What government is interested in this project. Please name one.
Well, they gotta get those angels somehow...
high pressures are scary as shit.
apart from that, there's no sunlight down there. it's basically like living in antarctica.
Good thing that doesn't cause any pr-
https://www.livescience.com/52467-why-antarctica-fuels-excess-drinking.html
https://theweek.com/crime/antarctica-sexual-harassment
Oh.
Will there be penguins?
The episode where he tells Jonathan Brandis about condoms remains to this day the cringiest thing I have ever seen on a TV show. By far.
Wow, that's way more detail than I ever want to remember.
I wish I could forget.
If anything goes slightly wrong I die instantly you say? I need to sign up NOW
Yeah, wouldn't mind that for the next 4 years or so, possibly longer.
So basically Rapture
I was thinking more like PATHOS-II.
Space is hard to get to, no gravity, and there's radiation.
Underwater has high pressure, corrosion, and no natural lighting.
When you get an air leak in space, you find the hole and patch it. When you get a leak underwater, you don't have to worry about it at all because it takes care of things in microseconds.
Just like with space you can build in redundancies though. You don't have to be all Titan about it.
What happened to biodomes? Did the Pauly Shore movie ruin the concept?
https://youtu.be/96HP_waLWPw
We never got them working properly here on earth, which isn't great news for a self sustainable moon or Mars colony.
Wasn't that mostly due to mismanagement rather than any technological hurdle?
Kinda both. It was a useful experiment, but bacterial contamination doomed the thing from day one.
Also the trees got too weak with no wind or something
He made too much trouble in that bubble
One step closer to SOMA
I've been playing lots of Oxygen not Included, so... Yeah good luck, what could go wrong?
I have an idea. Let's stick all of the world's billionaires into a submarine and see if lightning strikes twice.
This is for the oil and gas industry.
Ain't nobody paying for an underwater habitat for researchers when all researchers do at depth is take photos and samples, which can be done by an ROV.
Oil and Gas OTOH need deep see divers to do welding and other maintenance all the time.
Watch our oceans die before your very eyes!
Ocean is tough. Tougher than floating cities. Which are more realistic as real habitable environment.
I vote for Stanford torus stations in various L points.
Or, naturally, Mars.
Before that, of course, there are plenty of locations on Earth hard to live in, but not as hard as underwater domes. They should try that.
The trouble with all these schemes is that it's totally contrary to poweful real world trends. The surface of the Earth has an overwhelming abundance of rural land that is incredibly hospitable to life. And these places are depopulating because people prefer living in cities. How are you gonna get people to move to the bottom of the sea, or Mars, if they don't even want to move to West Virginia?
The trouble with these commenters is that they don't read the articles. This one isn't at all about getting people to move underwater, it's very specifically about habitats for ocean researchers to live in, rather than spending enormous amounts of time decompressing after relatively short dives.
People don't really want to live in the cities they just want to live where they can get a job. Largely rural communities don't really have an overabundance of employment opportunities, tend to have crap internet, and most of the properties are already owned by rich people who want a second home, so house prices are completely insane.
Which part of the article mentions any of that?
West Virginia is the very opposite of barren, just poverty stricken. Nevada would be a better example.
Subnautica vibes.
A friend of mine has just broken the record of 100 days living under water. He is aiming for 120 days.
My mate Paul...
Rudiger actually.
i legit thought this was some wacky futurist article from 10 years ago that someone posted for fun
Ocean horizons 2.0 I hope.
Elon is probably the only superhero who could actually go there an show them all! Definitely not just any rich guy could do it.
I guess the people in charge haven’t read the rifters trilogy. I don’t trust any of ‘em, but at least we already have a pandemic; they probably can’t make it worse.
https://www.goodreads.com/series/43561-rifters
What happens in the abyss stays in the abyss.
i did that in vashj'ir in wow in 2010
That's a face
There are plenty faces if you look for them!
Why would anyone choose to live confined in space? Idk, but the ISS still exists.
If only they explained their reasoning somewhere... all these headlines are so inconsiderate.
What part of the opening rationale was incomprehensible?
Humans are the ones tooling and retooling these units for specific purposes, which can be done far more efficiently in situ in an underwater habitation. Along with any other human activities that will be occurring, such as immediate study in a dedicated lab facility.