Spyke
lemm.ee

Idiocracy/Dont look up/1984/Judge Dredd

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lemmy.world

My bets on Robocop style corporate dictatorship until terminator style annihilation occurs.

Star Trek was never on the cards.

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MinFapperreply
startrek.website

Actually, star trek might be. In their lore, things got a lot worse before they got better.

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swg-empire.de

You better start believing in cyberpunk dystopia, Miss Turner. You're in one!

Not sure which one. But we already pretty much check all the boxes of cyberpunk.

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It's the shittiest form of cyberpunk.

We have cybernetic implants! But they're only for people who need them or are being headed up by a dipshit (Elon's Neuralink)...

We have AI! But it's just a glorified chat bot and it's not even necessarily good at even that...

We keep having gnarly pandemics of new diseases.

The mega corporations are exactly what you expect.

The quality of life is exactly as you expect, except even the best possible quality you could get if you were rich also kinda fucking sucks compared to fiction (can't even live on Mars forever in a Matrix connected blow job machine IRL)...

The dystopia would be more bearable if I could become a cybernetic superman on Mars. Just sayin'.

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You expected to be the main character, but you've just realized you're just one of many NPCs in a cyberpunk reality, just trying yo get by, but getting screwed at every turn by corporations, governments and fate.

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Well said! I’m looking forward to the solarpunk/biopunk future nowadays because of… all that

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I always thought CEOs being greedy mythical dragons that compulsively hoard riches because it's their nature, to be a brilliantly plausible fantasy element.

At this point it almost feels like a rational explanation for their inhuman behavior.

On this track that's probably the only fantasy element we'd get LOL.

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Damnit, I managed to trip into a Shadowrun campaign and I didn't even roll a Dwarf.

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100% its cyberpunk. corpo takeover with having to use technology to get by even when it is bad for you.

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That would be cool...but I tell ya what, we have Ray Bans that you can talk to which require an account and act as a personal body cam to use your every waking moment for spying, registering shadow-accounts for everyone you interact with, and ai training.

How's that sound?

(Man, we're in the stupidest timeline aren't we...)

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LOL! Aerodynamic efficiency is great and all but I'm also already SO tired of every compact and crossover looking like a friggin' jellybean.

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honestly the neon all over like tokyo is one of the more unrelistic aspects to me. same with the private link. all the ads will be straight to the optic nerve and it will be so dreary when looking at it plainly.

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feddit.uk

Idiocracy.

Birth rates are down everywhere and the majority of the people left making lots of babies are not the ones you wish would be having them. Being virtuous and on the "right side of history" means nothing if those values die with you and are not passed to the next generation.

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iiireply
mander.xyz

Being virtuous and on the "right side of history" means nothing if those values die with you and are not passed to the next generation.

Why not?

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feddit.uk

People more or less adopt their values from their parents and the people they grow up with. The christian right and redneck hillbillys are making kids and thus their beliefs will carry over to the next generation but this is much less the case with the liberal left where not having children is much more common. Basically, the more educated you are the less likely you're to have kids. This is true all over the world.

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iiireply
mander.xyz

I understand how it isn't passed on to the next generation. But I don't see how that implies that being virtuous means nothing.

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I’ll admit I was exaggerating a bit. I don’t think it literally means nothing, but I’m sure you get the point I’m trying to make: for a long-term beneficial impact, good ideas need to spread from person to person faster than the bad ones do.

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the majority of the people left making lots of babies are not the ones you wish would be having them

Found the eugenicist

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Grimm665reply
lemm.ee

This is not the first time i've seen sentiments similar to this around here. Just know this is an extremely elitist and racist viewpoint, and is one of the core arguments in favor of eugenics.

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feddit.uk

I don't see what's elitist or racist about it. It's just an observation of how things are. I'm not advocating for anything here.

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Fair enough, apologies, didn't mean to imply you were advocating for the viewpoint of others i have seen making similar statements, that we need to "do something about it", which is generally rooted in white privilege and the belief that declining birth rates are leading to the collapse of civilization.

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rumbareply
lemmy.zip

It depends on an individual's scope of experience.

Black and Latino families are historically much larger than white Anglo families.

But then poor white conservative families also tend to pump more out than centrist or left-leaning families.

But looking purely at the numbers It does put more marks on minority families.

If I recall correctly, White will become the minority in somewhere around 2035. But it'll take a lot longer for the rural whites to be in the minority in their rural areas.

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While I might wish for growing population in those with similar political leanings, we need to move more of the growth toward those who can/will take care of kids. We need more growth in people with good moral character who value education and hard work

The funny thing is

  • conservatives think this is mythological white society from 1950s
  • most of the rest of us talk about the missing middle class
  • realistically this myth was probably based on the best of immigration. Those with the motivation and drive to uproot their lives and move to another country, work hard to take advantage of every opportunity, and build a better future for themselves and their children.

This immigration story works for my ancestors a century ago as well as people I currently know following the same pattern in the modern world

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A eugenist pov would defend selecting human individuals based on their genetic makeup, something people have no control over and is effectively a prejudice. Idiocracy shows the degeneracy of society based on societal factors such as disinformation, wealth, etc. and is an accurate prediction of western society's current state (specifically US, but is also valid in part for US-aligned nationstates such as France). My guess as a layman is there is some inverse statistical correlation between political knowledge and babymaking, but as we know, correlation isn't causation, and if there is anyone to blame, it's the bourgeoisie. Cut some heads in time for spring, they'll regrow better

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fedia.io

WALL-E. We just don't have a way to escape yet, but the rest is happening regardless.

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lemmy.dbzer0.com

I’m sure Bezass and Muskpoo got us covered, just most of us can’t afford to leave with them.

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Ah I love Snow Crash.

We're already at the point of bizarre self-parody, cringe-irony, ultra-capitalism, but instead of pizza delivering street-samurai and a fascinating metaverse...

...we got grub/dash/food/rabbit/whatever and..."meta." Ugh.

I hate so much that Idiocracy was so on the mark. Knowledge being lost, culture being 100% based on consumption, corporate warmonger leadership. The entertainment is basically there if you look at YouTube's front page it's like:

"OW! MuH bAwLz! (For $48,000,000?!?!?!) - 2 hrs. ago | 3 million views"

"Slappin buttz n' moar munee - UpGrAyD (ft. GoonOhioSkebedeezyFR) - 1 day ago | 7.5 million views"

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Might as well throw some Terminator and 'The Machine Stops' in there.

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Lots of good suggestions so far, Brave New World and Don't Look Up would be right up there for me. But my #1 is this...

The Machine Stops (PDF) Written in 1909 so out of copyright, this book is so ahead of its time it makes remarkable reading today. The amount of things predicted that describe the modern day is incredible. It's also not that long, so well worth a read.

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100% no doubt The parable of the sower and subsequent book. I read that book - started reading it - in June this year and read it over about a month. It was very creepy to be reading a sci fy book set in the future that is now my present and while it is not as bad right now as Octavia Butler makes it out to be, we are definitely heading there if drastic action is not taken immediately.

Edit: the books in order: (Only two, sadly she died while writing the third but still both worth reading, there isn't a clif hanger at the end) https://www.octaviabutler.com/parableseries

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Absolutely this! Octavia Butler literally wrote a fascist American president with the slogan "Make America Great Again" in 1993.

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Given that we've already had a few suicides caused by (or at least exacerbated by) LLM chatbots, I think we're already there.

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I do believe that a lot of aspects of The Ministry for the Future by K.S. Robinson have chances of becoming true.

The deadly heatwave in south Asia, governments going rogue and playing with geo engineering on their own, climate refugee camps and the general sense of too little too late.

But the book is fairly optimistic, so hopefully, people of the world getting together and accepting a new paradigm will come to be true.

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The Water Knife by Paolo Baccigalupi is pretty on the nose for the near future of the southern US

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It thought that Vegas was an abomination, a testament to the vanity of mankind but that book made me understand that Phoenix has twice as many people, is bigger though sure, is a little wetter on average and should hold that title.

How is this one of the cheapest cities to live in in the US? Why are we moving the micro chip industry there?

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lemm.ee

Parable of the Sower

It was written as near future fiction anyway. In fact the dates mentioned in the book start out in our past. Just the catalyst events haven’t quite happened yet. Add a few years to the dates and I could see us heading towards that kind of societal break down.

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This book is haunting. It made me seriously consider buying a gun. If I could convince my wife to read it, we'd probably have an armory by now.

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Horizon Zero Dawn: Total extinction by the 2060s because some mad, narcissistic Elon Musk guy overestimates himself and fucks it up for the whole world? Doesn't sound too far-fetched to me right now.

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I suppose he was referring to the general "this is fine" attitude.

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lemmy.world

Been reading Corey Doctorow lately and catch myself thinking, "Aw c'mon! That's not how it works!" And then remember, he's writing about the near future.

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Radicalized was pretty damn close to the mark. Sure in this case Luigi was radicalized from back pain and not cancer.

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I'm going to go obscure here and say that the world of 2077 from the television show Continuum

It ran for a few seasons; I enjoyed it for the most part. Not the best, not the worst. But definitely in terms of the premise where Corporations have essentially bought out failing governments, leading to an advanced surveillance state, and anti-corporate terrorists, etc... etc...

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Dune.

Not the cool parts, the Butlerian Jihad.

I'd have gone with WH40Ks war with the men of iron but there's absolutely no chance we reach golden age of technology levels before we fuck ourselves.

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lemmy.world

"Lack of respect, wrong attitude, failure to obey authority. The Farm, immediately. - death sentence in Ellison's book 'A Boy and His Dog'

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Lots of good responses in this thread so far, but I keep thinking of the newest Gibson trilogy with regards to "the jackpot" where the majority of the population dies from a series of "not quite the big one" pandemics and climate issues and society is taken over by the kleptocracy. I love Gibson's books, but I wish he would stop accurately predicting our demise.

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I've gotta go with Mad Max here. Between the words oil obsession, rising aggression and dumbing down of society I can't see it going any other way.

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lemmy.ml

If we don't dodge that bullet, Years and Years. Or Neuromancer.

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Neuromancer would be an improvement at this point. Gibson underestimated just how bad corporations could get.

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Can we choose? I'll pick the Matrix. Yes we are slaves to the machines, but at least they give us happy dreams

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Penultimate Truth. Predicted containing the cattle using fear of something that doesn't even exist in reality.

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How far ahead do you want to go? The Borg are a more likely future phase of humanity than Star Trek's Federation, though without FTL travel, we're gonna be stuck crawling from rock to rock in our own neighbourhood for a very long time.

There's also a bit in old kid's TV show The Girl From Tomorrow where, at one point, something mucks up the timeline so badly that the future she comes from ceases to exist and all of the Earth's land ends up an uninhabitable desert, devoid of life. That seems pretty likely too.

These two things are not mutually exclusive either.

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As bland and forgettable as it was, the film adaptation of "Tomorrowland."

The premise (or at least my takeaway) basically being that, we might have been headed toward a techno-utopia of optimistic and bright developments, but greed and cynicism took over the spirit of invention, and everyone collectively became cynical and pessimistic about the future as a result.

Technology and those who claimed to wield it became enemies of the people.

Many of our most popular "near future" stories and entertainment are about societal collapse, disaster, the worst of humanity turning on themselves, and technology being used for its worst purposes. We almost enjoy morbidly indulging in forecasting our own bad ending, over and over and over. Warnings became franchises co-opted by the bad powers they warned against.

Partially, we'll get a crappy future because we've all been conditioned and used to the idea that it's inevitable and there's nothing we can do about it. This reduces our will to fight it, and instead we settle for merely enduring it.

If we had hope and fire and a taste of something better, we'd stop giving in to doomerism and just accepting it when it keeps getting worse.

This is why I really like the emergence of Solar Punk. It's a hopeful and bright rebellion against endless neon acid rain tumbling down towering corporate fortresses, rusting everybody's work-leased cyber-limbs as they gig-work 24/7 to afford neural software updates.

Instead, it's about embracing communitarianism, careful stewardship of natural resources, sustainable existence in tandem with nature instead of against it, open and free knowledge to all, endless invention with human thriving in mind.

If people actually believed, not merely that's how it should be, but that it could be ...we could make some real progress.

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I think that it'd have to be one of those countless near-future works that are set in what basically amounts to being the present-day world.

I think that if you're looking for something other than that, something more in a far-out setting, you'd need to ask something like "what futuristic work do you think society will most resemble in 200 years" or something like that. That forces things down the road a bit, and makes one pick among different predictions about how society will change in the future.

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I don't know about closest, but definitely most likely, Tank Girl. Basically, water and power will be extreme scarcities for the majority and a corporation that bottles up the water to keep it from becoming free through rain and owns all of central power grid will be the effective government. It will take a few more decades for the water to get bottled up by Nestlé, et al., and the water infrastructure to fail in more cities. And then the fossil fuel industry to run out of resources and collapse and thus leave only the few nuclear reactors as the only major power sources, without renewables investment, which can be grabbed by the water owners by saying they need the power to collect the water bottles and they need to "secure" the dangerous reactors with the military hardware they collected to protect "their" water sources from protesters and poor people over the years.

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lemmy.world

People are talking about really wonderful interesting things, but I can't even choose between those I'm thinking about.

Star Wars EU - because that's what I see around. Lots of stupidity, evil and decay, but in the end there's the sky and the life with all its beauty. The old part of it, which mostly was happening after Empire's institution while the rebels were not something close to victory in anyone's opinion.

Vacuum Flowers - that's the "worse is better" evolutionary optimism. That it will all become only worse, there's no good defeating evil, we will all die, but - life finds a way, humanity finds a way, and so on. It will go on.

Heinlein's Door into Summer - some parts are too much like our reality.

Actually I think all 3 have the same general idea, I just can't quite catch it.

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Lemming421reply
lemmy.world

Funny, I’d have said we’re closer to the new Star Wars cinematic trilogy than the EU.

You think you’ve won, then a few years later, oh look, fascism is back and it’s killing people in job lots again.

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"Wow, I can't believe it, after all that sacrifice, we've won against the fascist empire!"

"Somehow Putrumpatine returned. :("

Honestly though, I think we're seeing a lot of the prequel trilogy ring true, especially since it has a lot of similarities to historical empire corruption and collapse.

Except the bad guys in government are ridiculously, cartoonishly obvious and don't even need to hide anymore.

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programming.dev

Contagion and Children of Men - while they didn't look far into the future and dealt with existing problems, it's still horrifyingly accurate.

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