Just FYI, you do wash cast iron, you just don't use detergents on it. One common method is to dump a handful of salt and a tiny splash of water into the pan and start scrubbing. You can use a gentle dish soap, but I'd avoid using the dishwasher, because those detergents will be a lot stronger and will actually ruin the seasoning (as well as linger on the surface and end up in your food, which is also bad).
Modern soaps/detergents don’t contain lye, which is what ruins the seasoning. It’s the humid drying of a dishwasher that causes it to rust. Nothing to with the detergent.
As a mild ph adjuster, you would have to soak your cast iron in Dawn (platinum only) for hours, which would ruin your seasoning no matter the detergent used.
Detergents are basic because that works wonders on greasy stuff. When oil polymerises it won't be susceptible to basic substances anymore but will react to acids. (Unlike acid and oils which don't really react with each other – think vinaigrette separating in the fridge.)
Washing a cast iron pan with detergent will clean it from unpolymerised oil.
Cooking e.g. tomato based sauces in your cast iron pan will strip it of the polymerised coating (might impart flavour too).
Cleaning kitchen tiles near your stove is sometimes easier with acidic cleaning solutions as well. Just be careful with the caulking which will brittle over time from using acids.
We do wash them, I clean mine by boiling water in them, scraping any stubborn bits with a wooden spatula, rinsing it out under running water and wiping them down with a clean towel and heating the pan again to evaporate any remaining water. No microbials will survive being boiled and then heated again, anything stuck to the pan dissolves away in boiling water and a clean towel will wipe away anything else. After that I add a few drops of oil and wipe down the still hot surface with the thinnest possible coating of oil.
Seasoning for cast iron doesn't mean holding onto previous flavors. It definitely shouldn't taste like last night's dinner. Seasoning in the context of cast iron is the build up of thin layers of polymerized oils from heating them up in a clean pan that forms a durable protective finish that is incredibly non-stick.
So more accurately parallel your underwear example how cast iron is cleaned, if you took your underwear, boiled the hell out of them, used something to give them a scrub, rinsed them out well and then heat dried them.
I fully get that modern dishsoap isn't caustic enough to truly strip the seasoning, but I have noticed it does very slightly affect the seasoning.
For 99.9% of the time it's not necessary to use dishsoap and if something is really burnt on, then I'll tend to go with something a bit more abrasive like a green scrubby pad or maybe steel wool or a paste of baking soda and water.
It's the same thing I do for my carbon steel wok too, boil water, rinse well, dry with heat and reapply oil to the reheated surface.
I hate cast iron, but 'seasoning' is just a misnomer that was adopted to refer to the oils polymerizing on the pan. The oil (usually something like canola) is literally bonded to the metal.
Not cleaning a cast iron pan is gross, fats left in the pan will go rancid.
The only soap you can't use is lye based as that will strip the seasoning off.
I just wash it as normal, you just need to re-fry/season it once in in 3-5 months or so. People that don't wash it usually let it become rusted and dirty as well.
I don't really think about looking for special detergent without lye when buying (dunno why people say that dish detergent in general doesn't contain it anymore), re-frying it once in a while makes the surface more smooth.
I haven't had to do that since I switched to a less abrasive sponge. The green Scotch brand ones tended to take off some of the seasoning but the blue ones only take off the food.
The reverence and fear of cast iron cooking pots and pans is stupid on both sides. People have been using cast iron under every condition from the big fire place in a castle's kitchen to a fire pit in a peasant's hovel to open fires outdoors to Michelin Star restaurants in Paris and London. And they cooked EVERYTHING in it because it's what they had and all they had. There is no mystery to seasoning and care of cast iron. Just like there is little to fear from cooking with it.
Those that do worship in the church of cast iron-- just cook in it. There is nothing sacrosanct about it. If your Great Grandmother didn't worry about it, why should you? Any damage you can do it can be repaired quickly and easily. So get over yourselves.
And those that fear cast iron cookery, get over it.......They are often the same ones that are fearful of micro plastics getting ingested and yet have no care or concern while cooking with plastic cutting boards and utensils in plastic coated cookware.
Unless there is a literal hole rusted through it, grab some sand paper and sand the rust off of it. It's just iron. I've done it many times to rescue an old skillet or Dutch Oven.
Short of taking a sledgehammer to it, it's nigh on impossible to destroy cast iron cooking pans.
Teflon also should not go in the dishwasher. Anything with exposed aluminum should not go in the dishwasher. Even stainless steel cookware recommends against dishwasher
You have those prices reversed though. My cast iron collection, as noted further down, cost less in total than my one really good stainless steel pan, and guess where some of that cast iron was purchased? For $10 at Walmart, LOL. And at thrift stores and Target.
First, everyone (not you because you don't like it) should buy their cast iron at the hardware store, should be ~ $30. It'll last pretty much forever so that $30 over a lifetime is not much.
If you don't cook a starch or aromatic in it, just wipe it out and let it get super hot.
If you do cook starch in it, hand wash it with soap, just let it get over 212 degrees on the stove to dry it.
If you want to throw it in the dishwasher, just pull it out at the end of the cycle and throw it on the stove > 212 degrees to dry. A well seasoned pan is generally so easy to clean, this would be a waste of your time, but it won't kill anyone.
If you want to subscribe to the no soap, scrub off the cooked starches with water and a non scratch scouring pad, re-coat in a fine layer of oil and let it smoke off under high heat. I really don't bother and just use whatever it takes to get it clean easily.
If the seasoning polymer you get from burning off oil gets cruddy after 6-8 months, re-season.
If you accidentally get a little rust on it, soak it in vinegar until the rust dissapears, scrub the spot with a 3m pad until the spot is clean and re-season.
You can get a rusty ass pan from a yard sale, soak it in vinegar for a day, scrub it down and re-season it. It'll come out like new.
If over the years, the seasoned surface starts to look super cruddy, soak it in sodium hydroxide until the polymer disolves, then reseason.
Yeah, they're harder than throwing it in the dishwasher, But they're wasteless, cheap, pleasant to cook on and give great results.
I keep a teflon pan and a couple different cast iron around. Even found a glass top lid that fits.
Lol this response proves OP's point. "Bro it's so easy bro just soak in sodium hydroxide and fill your house with smoking oil it's easy dude just measure how much starch is in ur meal dude lol ez"
These are instructions for those who are picky about stuff.
Just cook in it. After cooking, wipe it out. If its bad, when pre-heating I pull it off to put some water and rub with a pad with minimal soap, rinse that off, and back on the hob. Wow 15s of work before cooking. The horror.
The instructions rumba gave were "if you absolutely fuck up, here are easy ways to fix that so you don't have to buy a new one"
Yup I usually just dry scrub with a little chainmail scrubber to get all the bits off with. Then I wipe down with a little veg oil and it's ready for next time.
Tbf the cast iron i'm cooking out of was found as scrap in the woods. I wash with soap regularly, and use normal oil/butter qty's. I just don't dishwasher it, not that i have a dish!asher XD. I've seasoned it one single time which is right after i found it. It's been a year.
Look at Ol' Diamond Jim over there with his $100 skillets!
I got 2 cast iron frying pans, a 6qt dutch oven, a 2 burner flat iron, and one cast iron 2qt kettle. I ain't got $50 into the whole lot of them. Vintage cast iron is cheap because it will last for multiple generations and there is lots of it floating around to be had on the cheap.
And if you ain't got 5 minutes to clean a cast iron frying pan, then no $10 nuclear glow int the dark Walmart special is going to do any better in your care. I highly recommend you find someone to cook for you. Before you give yourself food poisoning.
So much gatekeeping in anything creative. Music, cooking, art…. If you change one little thing it’s no longer the Thing, it’s something else, and it’s not what chef/band/artist/or grandma made, even though it’s a popular variant of the same Thing called the same thing somewhere else. Cast iron falls into the same trap. Such harsh judgement on use and care. It’s a f’n pan, not the last remaining example of a vintage Ferrari. Get over it.
So, this is somewhat of an irksome idea to me. My stainless steel pans would also be just fine buried in dirt for years, and you could just scrub them with heavy steel wool and or toss them in your dishwasher with no problem. Likely the same for ceramic. This isn’t the flex that most cast iron folks think it is. Note that I have a couple very nice cast iron pans that I love, but they certainly are more of a pain to use. I’ve never cracked a steel pan, but I have tried to rinse a cast too quickly and it was gone for good.
I wash my cast iron with normal dish soap and steel wool, and if I'm too lazy, I put it in the dishwasher. I've been doing this for 20 years. I don't "season" it. It's a pan, no more, no less. The main advantage is that you don't need to worry about scratching the shit out of it.
Needs a tiny little bit more fat than a non-stick if you want to make an omelette.
Yeah, soap doesn't hurt a fucking thing, If I just cooked with a seed oil or bacon or something I'd be inclined just to let it burn off, But if I cooked noodles or pasta or garlic or anything fragrant on there, I'd soap and scrub the piss out of it. I just make sure to throw it back on the fire and get it past 212 if it's been wet.
I don't like using it because of the maintenance and manual cleaning, but I do use it because of the iron rich food it makes, and the longevity of the cookware.
Also I heard Teflon is literally freaking poison for you, like one of the worst things to consume. And pots and pans always tend to flake Teflon after a while, from general use. So we got rid of everything Teflon.
I don't know how true it is but it feels good. Doing some manual labor isn't a bad thing either.
I threw my cast iron away about a year ago. Just couldn't get the hang of it, probably a me problem. Moved to a stainless steel, and my goodness, the crust I get on meats is unparalleled.
Carbon steel > cast iron. Lighter, basically the same heat properties, and you don't get peer pressured into unnecessarily babying a lump of solid metal.
Seriously no reason to dote on either of them so much. Only real care you need to take is that they can rust, so don't leave them wet. And don't needlessly scrub them with chain mail or angle grinders, or you might need to take a few minutes fixing them with cooking oil and the oven.
Does cast iron really take babying? I have a 12" cast iron skillet that's pretty much the only pan I use, and I just scrub it with steel wool, get it hot again, then throw in some avocado oil. It takes like 60 seconds of work
No, it doesn't. But people think it does and will get really vocal about it if you, god forbid, get it super gross and need to rinse it out with some soap and water.
That's why I specified that it was peer pressure, not necessity. :)
Ah, true. That one's become so ingrained for cooking in general that I don't really think about it. Putpan on low/medium heat, toss in a bit of oil and let the heat get even then swirl the oil. Adjust heat to desired level and cook.
Oh God, do people do that? Shouldn't do that with any pan.
Toss a cup of water in the pan to deglaze it and scrape any crap up with your cooking tool. Dump the water in the sink and use some paper towels to wipe out any loose stuff.
This might be enough to clean it, but if not once it's cool clean as appropriate. If it's carbon or cast iron, reheat to cook off any water and wipe with a drop of oil you bring to smoking.
Inevitably leave on the stove until you need to use it next instead of putting it away properly.
I end up reseasoning mine every couple of years, inevitably somebody leaves it in the sink for a bit trying to soak off some burnt on stuff. It's really no big deal.
Babying it is pretty new and somewhat cultish behaviour, my grandfather just used it and washed as normal, the only babying it needs is a huge temperature differences can break it. Stainless steel and high carbon steel pans are better.
Carbon steel has the heat storage of cast iron but transfers it fast like aluminum. I thought a cast iron seared steak was great until I used carbon steel and omg is it so much better.
The obsession with cast iron like it is some kind of magic ritual is honestly really weird. After you cook with it, wash it with water and dry it with some paper towels, that's it, no need to make it more complicated than it really is.
If things are sticking to your pan, use more oil in your pan; with enough oil, you can cook on a rock and make it nonstick.
Cooking has been a hobby of mine for decades now. I have gone through a lot of phases in cooking, especially early on.
I have used cast iron, carbon steel, stainless steel, and a dubious flirtation with all aluminum.
16 years on now and this is what I reach for 100% of the time:
Skillet/sautee: cladded stainless. Both standard side and high sided.
Dutch Oven: Enameled cast iron.
Pots Pans: Cladded stainless steel. For smaller 1qt to 2qt I like All Clads D5 for its heat retention. Larger than that I like the D3 for its lighter weight
Grill Pan: cast iron. Hate the excessive weight though
Non-stick: Ceramic coated aluminum. What ever Americas Test Kitchen recommends that year. I consider these disposable items. I stopped using TEFLON a long time ago.
I used cast iron skillets for several years. I found them to be finicky. Heat retention was stupidly high and that's not always a good thing. Excessively heavy and god forbid you attempt any sort of tomato based sauce or anything acidic for that matter. Circumstances forced me to use stainless steel and I just found it matches my needs in a kitchen much better than cast iron. It gets used, it gets cleaned and I put it away. No having to have the vaginal juices of a thousand virgins on hand to make sure it doesn't destroy the next egg I try to cook.
I consider cast iron skillets like safety razors. They had their day, but continue on because of a dedicated set of die hard users. Nothing wrong with that, just not my thing.
The above goes for carbon steel as well, although it usually isn't nearly as heavy.
Ugh. You wanna know the secret to cooking on cast iron/carbon steel? Just cook with it. Put fat in, get it hot, put your food in. It's really that easy. Wipe it out when you're done, rub some oil on it. That's it. You can even cook tomato sauce in it, it'll be ok. People have been using cast iron to cook all kinds of things, acidic and not, for literal centuries. This myth that cast iron/carbon steel pans are these delicate special snowflakes that need constant attention and maintenance needs to die.
I have a side business restoring antique cast iron pans and I use them for most of my cooking. I cook whatever the fuck I want in them, I leave the pan dirty on the stove a couple days sometimes when I'm busy, I use a scotch brite and scrub them clean with dish detergent, it really doesn't matter.
Go get a shitty Walmart pan and complain that CI is too hard to work with, it's ridiculous. My CHF #8 is an amazing piece of hardware
But they do need special maintenance, compared to Teflon pans or ceramic pans, they are the most finicky and hard to work with.
There are a lot of things people have done for centuries. Being old doesn't make something superior.
The problem with the people who prostletyze cast iron, is they usually assume that everyone cooks like them, but the reality is that cast iron is generally a pain in the ass. I mean just the fact that you need to cover the entire pan in oil Every time you put it away should be enough of an indicator.
You definitely don't need to oil it after every use. The main reason for applying oil is to keep it from rusting while it sits. If you just use it at least once a week then that rust isn't a concern. Even if it did rust you can just scrub the rust off before you use it.
There is all sorts of special care you can do to cast iron if you really get into it. But if you really don't care then you can just use it and wash it exactly like any other pan without issue. The whole soap thing is a myth now a days because modern soaps don't contain lye anymore. Soap is entirely unnecessary in cast iron but it won't hurt it. Seasoning is adequately acheived just by actually cooking with it. You really don't need any special process to season it unless you deliberately stripped off all the old seasoning. You can cook acidic foods in it without issue. I do tomato sauce in mine all the time.
Coated pans require way more care. At least I can use proper metal utensils in my cast iron.
You don't and it isn't. I cook exclusively on cast iron, and I oil it only before I put some food that requires oil. I use hot water and a paper towel to wipe it clean. Been using it for years, way less scrubbing than stainless 90 percent of the time.
But I use it exclusively and daily, so ymmv.
Oh hell no. Nonstick pans have to be babied - plastic spatulas, gentle sponges, and they get worse with time. Cast iron you almost cannot destroy, and gets better and better with use. Scrub away with chainmail, scrape with a metal spatula, it doesn't care. Too hot? Doesn't care.
If you treat cast iron with the same care that a non stick pan requires with just a little bit of oil it will be better over time. With those same instructions an average non-stick pan, used daily will degrade in 5 to 10 years. Iron is heavy and inconvenient, but carbon steel pans run 90% of the Michelin rates kitchens you will find. Cast iron can do much of the same work at home and, in the US is much easier to find. A 10 inch Lodge cast iron pan can be found in any X-mart. A 10 inch Matfer Bourgeat is a bit pricier and harder to source. Good luck with pan fried fish in a non stick pan after a month. Same with cooking 40 burgers or omelets a day for a month. 2 of the items I mentioned could do that easily. The average non-stick pan could not.
no. Teflon pans are just the worst. silicone utensils only and never turn the burner over half or your budgie dies. BTW your theory about oil coating is idiocy.
Your "basic chemistry" doesn't match up with the lived experience of the plethora of people that frequently use cast iron/carbon steel. And yes, it doesn't matter what type of pan, including non-stick, if you want your food to taste good you're probably gonna start by heating up some fat. You're only building excess carbon in a cast iron/carbon steel if you leave on bits of burnt food and season over that. If you clean your pan properly (with soap and hot water, because that's totally allowed), that won't happen. Tons of people cook with cast iron/carbon steel every single day and have absolutely no problems with it. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should only cook with cast iron/carbon steel, all I'm saying is using those pans is way less finicky than you're making it out to be.
I don't have a horse in this race but everything is carcinogenic to some degree, burnt toast isn't going to make any real difference. And why would cast iron have a polymer coating? Unless I'm missing something wasn't the whole point to avoid that?
No wok? Also safety razors are great and I'm guessing the only reason cartridges won out is because of marketing, then the following generation forgot there was another option.
I have a carbon steel wok and even have a wok grate for my stove. While I do some Chinese cooking, I've found that on an American stove it doesn't really have any advantages.
I'm sure if I cooked more Chinese cuisine it would be a different story.
I use cast iron for most of my stovetop cooking, but I'm sure it's because my cooking style evolved around them, they were so cheap and absolutely the best pans I could afford. They become nearly nonstick, can go from stove to oven to grill, even fire. So for something like $5-20 each I accumulated a set over time, and I love them. We do wash with soap, dry right away, it doesn't kill the surface. Now I have some money for pans, we do have one gorgeous stainless All-Clad skillet I call the "stick skillet", my kids like it. But in terms of PRICE to quality, cast iron is where it's at. That one All-Clad pan cost almost as much as all my cast iron put together.
I used flax oil to season my dutch oven, and finds it stands up to frequent tomato based pasta sauces for a bout a year, but it does eventually fail, an you know immediately when that happens, iron flavoured bolognese. Did that for a few years and finally got an enamelled set for that. As for the frying pans, mine are really old (1920s) and quite lightweight, nowhere near as heavy as newer Wagner 1898s and Lodges. I find the heat retention just perfect when making a carbonara, i turn the burner off when the pasta is three minutes from done and the heat is just perfect to make the carbonara sauce cook without turning into scrambled eggs. The other use, pan frying steaks, nothing does that better. They're not for everything, I have one 7 inch teflon pan that i use for one purpose only, and that's french omelets. I have zero interest in trying that in a cast pan.
Cast iron is to sear the bajesus out of steak. Nothing else can blacken the steak crust to my satisfaction without inadvertently overcooking the middle.
I hate it for everthing else.
A tiny cheap teflon pan just for 1-2 fried eggs and nothing else.
Then SS all-clad as the go-to for everything else.
Been having good experience with the hexclad teflon pan although handwash only. I believe it is generally disliked because it is marketed as "dishwasher safe" which is absolutely false. When handwashed it holds up very well.
I mean, I think it still does. Like, the word. But the emoji, with the two cheeks clearly sticking out like that, especially with a little peach fuzz, really sells the buttock meaning. 😅
It's pretty hard to ruin good cast iron. A good cast iron pan could spend a year at the bottom of a lake and all it would need is a good scrub and reseason to be good to go again.
About the only thing I've seen that makes them completely irrecoverable is when people use them to melt lead. Also you can crack the cheap ones in half with thermal shock.
In all seriousness I actually have this pumpkin Le Creuset cast iron Dutch oven and it's in fine shape. The pans that I hate are the gross frying pans my SO brought to this relationship which are disgusting. This Dutch oven can go in the dishwasher no problem actually.
Seasoning is a polymer, which is known for its strong resistance. It is unlikely to breakdown just with one dishwasher wash.
The seasoned surface is hydrophobic and highly attractive to oils and fats used for cooking (oleophilic).
The protective layer itself is not very susceptible to soaps, and many users do briefly use detergents and soaps.[28]
Unless you are dish washing it everyday and refuse to dry/reseason it, you will be fine.
However, cast iron is very prone to rust, and the protective layer may have pinholes, so soaking for long periods is contraindicated as the layer may start to flake off.
This aligns with how I care for mine. Scrub it with a chainmail scrubber, Wash it with soap / watwr, then rinse dry over flame and then drizzle a but of oil and rub with a paper towel.
I have no reverence for my cast iron besides avoiding letting it sit wet for a long time.
The whole cast iron thing is such a cult. Always makes me laugh when someone tries to preach it to me, how it's great, then there's all this stuff you need to do that you normally wouldn't, oh right you can't do this and you need to do this and yes it's heavy as all hell but that's actually a good thing
I'm not a fan boy, I actually resisted getting one for nearly a year before one was gifted to me. There are a couple perks and draw backs I've learned. Pros: heating is pretty even, cleaning is actually way easier (IMO), and I can use metal on it. Cons: needs to be seasoned, takes longer to heat, some people get the ick from seeing rust.
TBH it's pretty much the only pan I use now (cause I find cleaning easier and I'm lazy AF), but people should use whatever suits them.
I personally don't get rust but some people do and they can dislike that. Usually I'll put the stove on low and help it evaporate to avoid rust. Its also really only a concern if (lye free) soap is used because otherwise the seasoning prevents it pretty well
People make this shole "cast iron cult" thing out to be a much bigger thing than it actually is. Cast iron is a durable material and has been used as a tool for cooking in the harshest of conditions for centuries, but to be able to use it in those harsh conditions it needs to be properly taken care of just like any tool.
The reason people seem so neurotic over taking care of cast iron is that cast iron cookware is an investment. Year after year a cast iron pan (and this applies to carbon steel pans too) becomes better and better the more the thin layers of oil polymerization into the seasoning. A fresh off the line Lodge dutch oven doesn't have the years of layer after layer after layer of polymerized oil on it as the same mode Lodge dutch oven my grandmother used when back she was half my age.
Cast iron is easy to take care of, there's nothing special about how to take care of it, but the ways to take care of it are specific because of the nature of the metal used. Hell I spend less time cleaning my cast iron pans and carbon steel wok than I do cleaning any other pan type.
The cast iron "purists" are silly. We just wash ours with soap and water and use it like any other pan. I only know of stuff you can do with cast iron, use metal spatulas, scrub it out with salt, and/or put it in the oven. Not sure what you can't do.
Granted, I don't put any pots and pans in the dishwasher. Maybe y'all have bigger dishwashers than I do, but if one item takes up half the space, what's even the point?
Not that you put the cast iron in the dishwasher (enjoy your rust), but the fact that you can actually fit the pan in your dishwasher. I recently spent $350 on a portable dishwasher and your iron skillet is bigger than that. I bought that thing to NOT have to scrub dishes. Thanks for reminding me that I STILL have to scrub pots and pans!
That's just a dirty pan. Actual cast iron seasoning isn't sticky or dirty because it has no impurities from the food, it's actually polymerized with the cast iron and it should look make the pan look black and glassy. I wash mine with Dawn soap and hand dry it, and it makes Teflon look like a joke. I can heat it without any butter or oil, drop in a glob of egg yolk, and it'll slide like it's skating on Astroglide. You're having a skill issue and you need to get good.
Yeah, I think the big hangup for a lot of people is that detergents used to contain lye which would react with the steel. No longer the case. Folks will seriously refuse to clean their pans which is gross AF.
Cast iron and steel are largely similar materials, cast iron just has the carbon precipitated out of solution instead of trapped in a crystalline structure
cast iron is basically steel, but has it's own name because it's brittle. roughly between half a percent to 3 percent carbon (among other things) is the base of many steels. "cast iron" is about 4 percent carbon and pretty much no ductility
What exactly is your argument here? I use Dawn; it doesn’t appear to affect my cast iron pan. Many people online use it to clean their cast iron with no ill effects.
I mean, they use the stuff to clean off ducks after oil spills. I suspect whatever concentration it has is not high enough to have any caustic effects.
You have problems with cast iron sticking but you like stainless steel? Stainless steel is probably the most non stick material you can use. I can't stand the stuff.
Interesting. Mine doesn't and I only have problems with sticking if I walk away too long. I gave a stainless pan away. To each their own! Thanks for the answer.
It is a myth that you can't use dish detergent on cast iron. If it feels greasy and filthy, it is greasy and filfthy.
The truth behind the "no soap" myth is that we used to use lye-based soap for dishwashing. Lye does, indeed, break down seasoning. But we use surfactant-based detergents now, rather than actual soap. Detergents break down oils which are necessary for rust prevention, but they don't damage seasoning. Just wipe them down with the thinnest layer of high temp oil before storing them, and you're good to go.
Your boomer parents/grandparents couldn't wash their cast iron with dish "soap". You can.
I bought my first carbon steel pan (a wok specifically) last week and I did a bad job at seasoning it for the first time. I had to scrub the shit out of it with steel wool and vinegar to reset. My second season was a little better but it’s still not fully non stick. I hope it will just naturally get better as I keep using it.
I love cast iron for cooking. It's also very forgiving. Depending what I am cooking it gets treated carefully for the seasoning, or scrubbed with dish soap. The beautiful thing is I can take it camping, come home and scrub all the 'seasoning' off, then re-season with 30 min in the oven an a bit of olive oil.
When my SO and I first got together I did his dishes one day, and as I had never seen a cast iron pan I just washed it, fussing the whole time about how filthy it was. My Australian bush lunatic, one pair of underpants owning mother in law had an apoplectic fit. But seriously, these people cook salmon in them one night and pancakes the next with barely a wipe and it's disgusting. Give me stainless steel.
Well that’s just crazy. I wash mine with soap and water after cooking… but then I give it a quick flame dry and re-season on the stove top, which I can definitely admit is more maintenance than most people want to deal with.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I can't cook eggs for shit in ceramic. Give me a stainless steel or teflon pan and I can knock out a perfect french-style omelet, but give me a ceramic pan and suddenly I'm clueless. I genuinely don't understand what could possibly make such a significant difference, but I swear it's true.
Dishwasher detergent is super aggressive, because it has to clean with minimal mechanical force, therefore many materials should not be washed in the dishwasher or they will be damaged.
You can wash Cast Iron all you like, I wouldn't suggest the dishwasher, just don't use soap, scrape with a plastic paint scrapper under hot water, heat until smoking, rub some oil on it, let cool. Easy peasy. After knowing we're all poisoning ourselves with the nonstick coating and have been for decades, the Cast Iron is a great nonstick alternative.
This thread is full of people claiming that dish soap doesn't contain lye, but the most popular dish soap I'm aware of, Dawn, contains lye and that's easily found in a two second Google search.
They key with cast iron is using enough fat, which is generally more than you'd use with other cookware. High heat just burns the fat and/or the food, ruining your meal and making cleanup more difficult.
What cast iron is really good at in terms of heat is retaining it. There's enough mass that you have to preheat the pan for longer, but once it's hot, it stays at a pretty stable temperature when you add your ingredients. It doesn't get hot spots as severly, either, especially if preheated for a good long time at a relatively low heat.
Yeah cast iron, even with a good seasoning, will never match a Teflon coating. It's pretty good, but you will need to cook some bacon in the pan before the eggs to make them not stick.
Teflon itself isn't poison. The entire point of teflon is that it's so chemically unreactive that nothing can even bind to it on a molecular level.
The problem with Teflon is that manufacturing it uses a lot of actually toxic chemicals incidental to making the Teflon bind to the metal of a pan and because it's so non-reactive and very brittle, general use and any disposal of it will result in Teflon molecules just floating around in the environment unable to be broken down by anything.
I just reseasoned my 12” Lodge today! A lot of nasty smells coming out as I took off layers and layers of old seasoning with barkeeper’s friend. But now it has a non sticky, glassy smooth new sunflower oil seasoning. Very slick!
Does anyone know how to avoid having bacon foul up the seasoning? Seems like it always reacts chemically and incorporates proteins into the seasoning which make it nasty and dry and flaky rather than smooth and glassy.
So long as you're not using the lye-based soaps your grandparents used to wash their dishes, you're fine. Dishwashing detergent does not damage seasoning.
That’s what led me to redoing the seasoning today. I washed up the grease with a few drops of Dawn and the pan came out with large areas of brown/white and dry/powdery rather than black and shiny.
I definitely have had the pan have a really strong seasoning that maintains a hard, glossy black finish even after washing with soap before. I’m hoping the current seasoning holds up a bit better.
I think maybe sometimes I burn the seasoning from cooking with too high heat? I really love to put a good sear on a burger or a steak and I love how cast iron is like a deep cycle battery that can store and release a large amount of heat into a piece of food.
If you want it that high, I would suggest using wok seasoning methods instead of cast iron. Basically, you "blue" the pan (develop a black iron oxide layer) by holding it at 550F for an hour or so. You'll burn off the oil every time you use it, but the black oxide layer is relatively non-stick. This will work better with carbon steel than cast iron.
Alternatively, you might consider an even heavier pan, to hold a 400-450F temperature even longer.
The burner will get well over a thousand. Without something cooling it off, a pan can overheat even on low.
Scrub it clean with soap, then put the pan on a burner to heat dry it. At the end, rub a very thin layer of fat on it. I use clarified butter. It's a cumulative process, you won't see all the benefits of nonstick all at once.
Store bought modern bacon is loaded with sugars and that is what is causing the issues. I've found that the older the seasoning the lesser the impact. Still, just scrub off the stuck on bits with a chain mail and some hot water with a mild dish detergent then do a quick post-season on the stove and it's like it never happened.
You can use a wok for just about everything. Not great for baking, but anything else can be done in a wok, but even us chinese cooks (I am white, but learned to cook Chinese food) will look at you weird if you actually try to cook everything in a wok.
Woks don't have buttons! How the hell do you expect to deep fry things without any buttons!? I've seen into the back of a McDonald's before, their deep fryers have buttons and beep and shit. If a wok ever beeped at me, I wouldn't think "oh, fries are done," I'd think, "am I going insane?"
Unless you're using one as a helmet, in which case it's more of a ding than a beep, but it means it just saved your life and you should tip your blacksmith. You should also probably clean the wok before you use it to sear something and set it aside or bake cookies or anything, though.
A wok is great for searing stuff and then putting some of it aside, so that you can cook several things at once. Nothing else has ever come close to it.
But that's the limit of the wok. It's a fucking amazing device, but it's not the ultimate cooking ninja super appliance that does it all.
Ummmm wow. Wasn't aware that the 7 wok stove that I cooked on daily for a decade was just for searing things and setting them aside. I guess the chicken broth in the center wok, and all the frying of the frying wok should stop existing since a French cook is trying to tell Chinese cooks how to use their own invention.
I feel bad for people who truly can not afford good kitchen stuff, granted most people in my area can. Otherwise yeah, assuming the person were discussing can afford it. There's no going around spending a little money on good kitchenware if decent results are expected. It's not like people have to drop thousands, but a few hundred is kinda normal.
Also tip for anyone who's building up their first kitchen, those gimmicky things that are always on sale are almost always crap. Buying that stuff is worse than gambling, cause at least gambling doesn't leave you with a kitchen full of worthless clutter.
I feel bad for people who truly can not afford good kitchen stuff
Now there's a lot of people who can't.
Because kitchenware is actually hideously expensive. And even here, in France where we have access to the fundamental cooking industry tools - ok maybe slightly less-)
(Ok, I said I was in France, it's cool, feel free to downvote me now)
I find it amusing that as someone that actually spent years learning how to cook, and that I took the took the time to understand the chemistry and logic of cooking, I'm downvoted because:
I'm french (because a fair number of users are idiots, and yet I'm still here to face them)
or they believe they can cook with a microwave (a US affectation)
or maybe it's just a jest across the atlantic, since we made them a country, they hate us for some reason as a joke, haha.
In all fairness by the looks of the carbon buildup on the outside this skillet is due to be reseasoned. I doubt the dishwasher will do much to help; this thing needs a lye bath or electrolysis at this point.
I just stripped my 20+ year-old 10" lodge because the carbon buildup was flaking on the inside. The pan is better than new now as the rough finish has worn considerably (though it isn't glass smooth). I have a lot of fond memories of meals made in this skillet and plan on using it for the rest of my life even though I can afford and own arguably better quality cookware these days.
This thread is full of people claiming that dish soap doesn't contain lye, but the most popular dish soap I'm aware of, Dawn, contains lye and that's easily found in a two second Google search.
You're not special for washing dishes in a less efficient way that's worse for the environment. If you've just never had access to one, ignore me, but Ive definitely known a surprising number of people who have dishwashers in their apartments but refuse to use them. If that's you, you're probably doing life wrong.
Anyway there's nothing that unique about the dishwasher itself, washing cast iron in hot soap and water and then leaving it to air dry will strip the protection of the polymerized oil and then trigger the pan to rust. Nothing to do with dishwashers as a technology except if you wash a pan by hand you're likely scrubbing it less effectively and not willing to spend 1-2 hours spraying it with hot water. If you stick the pan into the washer for 15 mins, immediately rinse, dry, and re season, it's not particularly different from washing by hand.
Ewe 😆
Cute grand stand but I grew up living in spare bedrooms and in a homeless shelter for a bit. Not pretending to be special because we couldn’t afford luxuries like that.
Keep soapboxing in meme posts though, makes you seem important.
That just gets me excited to start a fresh new seasoning. Starting from bare metal is a good feeling
Well that's blatantly what they're doing, isn't it. Must have found a shitty pan or something.
It’s insane to me that people don’t wash them and call it seasoning.
It’s apparently a different story when someone seasons their underwear.
Just FYI, you do wash cast iron, you just don't use detergents on it. One common method is to dump a handful of salt and a tiny splash of water into the pan and start scrubbing. You can use a gentle dish soap, but I'd avoid using the dishwasher, because those detergents will be a lot stronger and will actually ruin the seasoning (as well as linger on the surface and end up in your food, which is also bad).
Modern soaps/detergents don’t contain lye, which is what ruins the seasoning. It’s the humid drying of a dishwasher that causes it to rust. Nothing to with the detergent.
Dawn has lye, that's why it works so well
As a mild ph adjuster, you would have to soak your cast iron in Dawn (platinum only) for hours, which would ruin your seasoning no matter the detergent used.
Someone doesn't know Sodium Hydroxide is Lye
I do, the lye is not to aid in cleaning and it doesn’t have enough to ruin a seasoning.
There’s a difference between knowing something is in it, and why it is in it and what it can do.
Soda has caustic and corrosive ingredients, it doesn’t mean it’s going to dissolve your intestines lmfao.
"The caustic ingredient in a soap is not to aid in cleaning" You, that's you, demonstrating a single digit IQ.
I use a little dawn on mine now and then and it’s still basically like glass. Just put a little oil on it afterwards. Never the dishwasher though omg
Ice in the hot pan also works. Paper towel to wipe out, voila!
Detergents are basic because that works wonders on greasy stuff. When oil polymerises it won't be susceptible to basic substances anymore but will react to acids. (Unlike acid and oils which don't really react with each other – think vinaigrette separating in the fridge.)
Washing a cast iron pan with detergent will clean it from unpolymerised oil.
Cooking e.g. tomato based sauces in your cast iron pan will strip it of the polymerised coating (might impart flavour too).
Cleaning kitchen tiles near your stove is sometimes easier with acidic cleaning solutions as well. Just be careful with the caulking which will brittle over time from using acids.
We do wash them, I clean mine by boiling water in them, scraping any stubborn bits with a wooden spatula, rinsing it out under running water and wiping them down with a clean towel and heating the pan again to evaporate any remaining water. No microbials will survive being boiled and then heated again, anything stuck to the pan dissolves away in boiling water and a clean towel will wipe away anything else. After that I add a few drops of oil and wipe down the still hot surface with the thinnest possible coating of oil.
Seasoning for cast iron doesn't mean holding onto previous flavors. It definitely shouldn't taste like last night's dinner. Seasoning in the context of cast iron is the build up of thin layers of polymerized oils from heating them up in a clean pan that forms a durable protective finish that is incredibly non-stick.
So more accurately parallel your underwear example how cast iron is cleaned, if you took your underwear, boiled the hell out of them, used something to give them a scrub, rinsed them out well and then heat dried them.
Your method sounds great and I'm sure it works well, but I just want to make sure you know that modern dish soap won't damage your seasoning at all.
I fully get that modern dishsoap isn't caustic enough to truly strip the seasoning, but I have noticed it does very slightly affect the seasoning.
For 99.9% of the time it's not necessary to use dishsoap and if something is really burnt on, then I'll tend to go with something a bit more abrasive like a green scrubby pad or maybe steel wool or a paste of baking soda and water.
It's the same thing I do for my carbon steel wok too, boil water, rinse well, dry with heat and reapply oil to the reheated surface.
I hate cast iron, but 'seasoning' is just a misnomer that was adopted to refer to the oils polymerizing on the pan. The oil (usually something like canola) is literally bonded to the metal.
Not cleaning a cast iron pan is gross, fats left in the pan will go rancid.
The only soap you can't use is lye based as that will strip the seasoning off.
I just wash it as normal, you just need to re-fry/season it once in in 3-5 months or so. People that don't wash it usually let it become rusted and dirty as well.
Shouldn't need to reseason it if you are just using dish detergent like Dawn.
I don't really think about looking for special detergent without lye when buying (dunno why people say that dish detergent in general doesn't contain it anymore), re-frying it once in a while makes the surface more smooth.
What do you mean by refrying?
I notice it get smother over time the more I use it.
The process where you wash it as clean as possible then apply oil and put into oven.
So another way of saying reseasoning.
I haven't had to do that since I switched to a less abrasive sponge. The green Scotch brand ones tended to take off some of the seasoning but the blue ones only take off the food.
Whatsa matter? You don’t like your pancakes to taste like last nights steak?
It still gets them to reply, every time.
lol I got seasoned by 101 men at an airbnb and cried
Bukowski
The reverence and fear of cast iron cooking pots and pans is stupid on both sides. People have been using cast iron under every condition from the big fire place in a castle's kitchen to a fire pit in a peasant's hovel to open fires outdoors to Michelin Star restaurants in Paris and London. And they cooked EVERYTHING in it because it's what they had and all they had. There is no mystery to seasoning and care of cast iron. Just like there is little to fear from cooking with it.
Those that do worship in the church of cast iron-- just cook in it. There is nothing sacrosanct about it. If your Great Grandmother didn't worry about it, why should you? Any damage you can do it can be repaired quickly and easily. So get over yourselves.
And those that fear cast iron cookery, get over it.......They are often the same ones that are fearful of micro plastics getting ingested and yet have no care or concern while cooking with plastic cutting boards and utensils in plastic coated cookware.
The mystery is that iron will rust if wet. The care instructions are "don't leave it wet for a long time".
Even if it does rust accidentally, can't you just scrape or buff out the rust and then reseal/reseason it again and it's fine?
Unless there is a literal hole rusted through it, grab some sand paper and sand the rust off of it. It's just iron. I've done it many times to rescue an old skillet or Dutch Oven.
Short of taking a sledgehammer to it, it's nigh on impossible to destroy cast iron cooking pans.
Yeah, but it's a lot faster to dry it after use/cleaning.
Okay but this one time I did exactly that thing I'm not supposed to and exactly what was expected happened so obviously cast iron bad?
Once my colleague's dad threw gasoline on a fire and got 3rd degree burns, so oxygen is bad.
Teflon also should not go in the dishwasher. Anything with exposed aluminum should not go in the dishwasher. Even stainless steel cookware recommends against dishwasher
Only because some Stainless cookware uses Aluminium rivets for attaching the handle.
You have those prices reversed though. My cast iron collection, as noted further down, cost less in total than my one really good stainless steel pan, and guess where some of that cast iron was purchased? For $10 at Walmart, LOL. And at thrift stores and Target.
First, everyone (not you because you don't like it) should buy their cast iron at the hardware store, should be ~ $30. It'll last pretty much forever so that $30 over a lifetime is not much.
If you don't cook a starch or aromatic in it, just wipe it out and let it get super hot.
If you do cook starch in it, hand wash it with soap, just let it get over 212 degrees on the stove to dry it.
If you want to throw it in the dishwasher, just pull it out at the end of the cycle and throw it on the stove > 212 degrees to dry. A well seasoned pan is generally so easy to clean, this would be a waste of your time, but it won't kill anyone.
If you want to subscribe to the no soap, scrub off the cooked starches with water and a non scratch scouring pad, re-coat in a fine layer of oil and let it smoke off under high heat. I really don't bother and just use whatever it takes to get it clean easily.
If the seasoning polymer you get from burning off oil gets cruddy after 6-8 months, re-season.
If you accidentally get a little rust on it, soak it in vinegar until the rust dissapears, scrub the spot with a 3m pad until the spot is clean and re-season.
You can get a rusty ass pan from a yard sale, soak it in vinegar for a day, scrub it down and re-season it. It'll come out like new.
If over the years, the seasoned surface starts to look super cruddy, soak it in sodium hydroxide until the polymer disolves, then reseason.
Yeah, they're harder than throwing it in the dishwasher, But they're wasteless, cheap, pleasant to cook on and give great results.
I keep a teflon pan and a couple different cast iron around. Even found a glass top lid that fits.
Lol this response proves OP's point. "Bro it's so easy bro just soak in sodium hydroxide and fill your house with smoking oil it's easy dude just measure how much starch is in ur meal dude lol ez"
These are instructions for those who are picky about stuff.
Just cook in it. After cooking, wipe it out. If its bad, when pre-heating I pull it off to put some water and rub with a pad with minimal soap, rinse that off, and back on the hob. Wow 15s of work before cooking. The horror.
The instructions rumba gave were "if you absolutely fuck up, here are easy ways to fix that so you don't have to buy a new one"
Yup I usually just dry scrub with a little chainmail scrubber to get all the bits off with. Then I wipe down with a little veg oil and it's ready for next time.
LOL at cherrypicking something I said to do instead of throwing the pan away
I do nothing to my cast iron, it's rusty and shit, it's fine.
Tbf the cast iron i'm cooking out of was found as scrap in the woods. I wash with soap regularly, and use normal oil/butter qty's. I just don't dishwasher it, not that i have a dish!asher XD. I've seasoned it one single time which is right after i found it. It's been a year.
You might want to check that for lead. People who cast their own bullets have been known to melt lead in cast iron.
Ehhh... I've taken the 100LL avgas shower. At this point, a year of cooking later, the damage is done ig. Ill grab a test kit tho.
Look at Ol' Diamond Jim over there with his $100 skillets!
I got 2 cast iron frying pans, a 6qt dutch oven, a 2 burner flat iron, and one cast iron 2qt kettle. I ain't got $50 into the whole lot of them. Vintage cast iron is cheap because it will last for multiple generations and there is lots of it floating around to be had on the cheap.
And if you ain't got 5 minutes to clean a cast iron frying pan, then no $10 nuclear glow int the dark Walmart special is going to do any better in your care. I highly recommend you find someone to cook for you. Before you give yourself food poisoning.
So much gatekeeping in anything creative. Music, cooking, art…. If you change one little thing it’s no longer the Thing, it’s something else, and it’s not what chef/band/artist/or grandma made, even though it’s a popular variant of the same Thing called the same thing somewhere else. Cast iron falls into the same trap. Such harsh judgement on use and care. It’s a f’n pan, not the last remaining example of a vintage Ferrari. Get over it.
¯\(ツ)/¯ wouldn't kill it. Just scrub any flakes off and re-season. The abuse they can take is almost unreasonable.
You could leave it outside in the dirt for 5 years and still just give it a lye bath then reseason it to work like new
Preach!
So, this is somewhat of an irksome idea to me. My stainless steel pans would also be just fine buried in dirt for years, and you could just scrub them with heavy steel wool and or toss them in your dishwasher with no problem. Likely the same for ceramic. This isn’t the flex that most cast iron folks think it is. Note that I have a couple very nice cast iron pans that I love, but they certainly are more of a pain to use. I’ve never cracked a steel pan, but I have tried to rinse a cast too quickly and it was gone for good.
I've seen a video where someone did just this. Blew my freaking mind.
I wash my cast iron with normal dish soap and steel wool, and if I'm too lazy, I put it in the dishwasher. I've been doing this for 20 years. I don't "season" it. It's a pan, no more, no less. The main advantage is that you don't need to worry about scratching the shit out of it.
Needs a tiny little bit more fat than a non-stick if you want to make an omelette.
Same here, though i don't use steel wool and i do season it every now and then
The pan handles it like a champ
I'm not a troll. But the amount of magical thinking around cast iron amuses me to no end.
"dish soap infused" lol. Tell me, are your kitchen knives "infused" with soap, too?
Yeah he's a panoisseur. I wash mine with soap too lol. But I use the lemon scented shit so my soap infused food is always citrusy fresh.
Yeah, soap doesn't hurt a fucking thing, If I just cooked with a seed oil or bacon or something I'd be inclined just to let it burn off, But if I cooked noodles or pasta or garlic or anything fragrant on there, I'd soap and scrub the piss out of it. I just make sure to throw it back on the fire and get it past 212 if it's been wet.
What are your cutting boards made of?
Unseasonably mad
I am in flavor of this.
You... hate cast iron? Of all things people could hate, cast iron is the choice here. Mmaight.
Maybe a cast iron skillet killed his family.
Cast iron skillets don’t kill people, people kill people.
It's not a cast iron skillet problem, it's a mental health problem.
Cast iron skillets sure do make it easier though.
I don't like using it because of the maintenance and manual cleaning, but I do use it because of the iron rich food it makes, and the longevity of the cookware.
Also I heard Teflon is literally freaking poison for you, like one of the worst things to consume. And pots and pans always tend to flake Teflon after a while, from general use. So we got rid of everything Teflon.
I don't know how true it is but it feels good. Doing some manual labor isn't a bad thing either.
I used to think so, then I just started using them on the reg and it turns out to be super easy.
It's just a pan.
Oh no people like something, better start calling it a cult so can we can get views.
Social media is such shit.
Ugh they're so gross.
I threw my cast iron away about a year ago. Just couldn't get the hang of it, probably a me problem. Moved to a stainless steel, and my goodness, the crust I get on meats is unparalleled.
Girl I'm with you. It feels like they're never really clean!
Exactly. It feels like they just ooze dirty oil no matter how much you wipe them.
I use the washer and then let it sit wet over night to bring out its natural paprika seasoning.
even putting it on the top rack, instead of the bottom where the pots go. Masterfull attention to detail in trolling.
And turning it away from the water jets
Gets angry over the fact that you have a dishwasher
Actually not my photo but I finally have a dishwasher after like 25 years of living with my SO.
Carbon steel > cast iron. Lighter, basically the same heat properties, and you don't get peer pressured into unnecessarily babying a lump of solid metal.
Seriously no reason to dote on either of them so much. Only real care you need to take is that they can rust, so don't leave them wet. And don't needlessly scrub them with chain mail or angle grinders, or you might need to take a few minutes fixing them with cooking oil and the oven.
Does cast iron really take babying? I have a 12" cast iron skillet that's pretty much the only pan I use, and I just scrub it with steel wool, get it hot again, then throw in some avocado oil. It takes like 60 seconds of work
No, it doesn't. But people think it does and will get really vocal about it if you, god forbid, get it super gross and need to rinse it out with some soap and water.
That's why I specified that it was peer pressure, not necessity. :)
No, it doesn't. I don't even bother coating mine with oil, just a scrub with hot water and let it dry.
Also don't temp shock them, they can warp
Ah, true. That one's become so ingrained for cooking in general that I don't really think about it. Putpan on low/medium heat, toss in a bit of oil and let the heat get even then swirl the oil. Adjust heat to desired level and cook.
I also mean when cleaning, don't go from hot to under the sink stream
Oh God, do people do that? Shouldn't do that with any pan.
Toss a cup of water in the pan to deglaze it and scrape any crap up with your cooking tool. Dump the water in the sink and use some paper towels to wipe out any loose stuff.
This might be enough to clean it, but if not once it's cool clean as appropriate. If it's carbon or cast iron, reheat to cook off any water and wipe with a drop of oil you bring to smoking.
Inevitably leave on the stove until you need to use it next instead of putting it away properly.
I end up reseasoning mine every couple of years, inevitably somebody leaves it in the sink for a bit trying to soak off some burnt on stuff. It's really no big deal.
Babying it is pretty new and somewhat cultish behaviour, my grandfather just used it and washed as normal, the only babying it needs is a huge temperature differences can break it. Stainless steel and high carbon steel pans are better.
Carbon steel has the heat storage of cast iron but transfers it fast like aluminum. I thought a cast iron seared steak was great until I used carbon steel and omg is it so much better.
You would probably like cast iron more if you stopped committing war crimes against it.
The obsession with cast iron like it is some kind of magic ritual is honestly really weird. After you cook with it, wash it with water and dry it with some paper towels, that's it, no need to make it more complicated than it really is.
If things are sticking to your pan, use more oil in your pan; with enough oil, you can cook on a rock and make it nonstick.
Just wash it with dish soap like everything else, use a soft scrubber like everything else.
If you have an actual polymer layer, it won't be harmed.
Dry it off, throw it on the burner. Get it hot, give it a touch of oil, and store it.
I mean it's a lump of iron it still won't be harmed you may just need to scrape some rust off and reseason.
Well, yes, but let's not be intentionally obtuse eh?
"Harm" in this case refers to the seasoning (polymer layer), which takes time and effort to repair if it's significantly damaged.
In the same way that scratching a wood floor is harming it (you can just resurface it), or denting your drywall is harm (you can just repair it).
Cooking has been a hobby of mine for decades now. I have gone through a lot of phases in cooking, especially early on.
I have used cast iron, carbon steel, stainless steel, and a dubious flirtation with all aluminum.
16 years on now and this is what I reach for 100% of the time:
Skillet/sautee: cladded stainless. Both standard side and high sided.
Dutch Oven: Enameled cast iron.
Pots Pans: Cladded stainless steel. For smaller 1qt to 2qt I like All Clads D5 for its heat retention. Larger than that I like the D3 for its lighter weight
Grill Pan: cast iron. Hate the excessive weight though
Non-stick: Ceramic coated aluminum. What ever Americas Test Kitchen recommends that year. I consider these disposable items. I stopped using TEFLON a long time ago.
I used cast iron skillets for several years. I found them to be finicky. Heat retention was stupidly high and that's not always a good thing. Excessively heavy and god forbid you attempt any sort of tomato based sauce or anything acidic for that matter. Circumstances forced me to use stainless steel and I just found it matches my needs in a kitchen much better than cast iron. It gets used, it gets cleaned and I put it away. No having to have the vaginal juices of a thousand virgins on hand to make sure it doesn't destroy the next egg I try to cook.
I consider cast iron skillets like safety razors. They had their day, but continue on because of a dedicated set of die hard users. Nothing wrong with that, just not my thing.
The above goes for carbon steel as well, although it usually isn't nearly as heavy.
Ugh. You wanna know the secret to cooking on cast iron/carbon steel? Just cook with it. Put fat in, get it hot, put your food in. It's really that easy. Wipe it out when you're done, rub some oil on it. That's it. You can even cook tomato sauce in it, it'll be ok. People have been using cast iron to cook all kinds of things, acidic and not, for literal centuries. This myth that cast iron/carbon steel pans are these delicate special snowflakes that need constant attention and maintenance needs to die.
I have a side business restoring antique cast iron pans and I use them for most of my cooking. I cook whatever the fuck I want in them, I leave the pan dirty on the stove a couple days sometimes when I'm busy, I use a scotch brite and scrub them clean with dish detergent, it really doesn't matter.
Go get a shitty Walmart pan and complain that CI is too hard to work with, it's ridiculous. My CHF #8 is an amazing piece of hardware
But they do need special maintenance, compared to Teflon pans or ceramic pans, they are the most finicky and hard to work with.
There are a lot of things people have done for centuries. Being old doesn't make something superior.
The problem with the people who prostletyze cast iron, is they usually assume that everyone cooks like them, but the reality is that cast iron is generally a pain in the ass. I mean just the fact that you need to cover the entire pan in oil Every time you put it away should be enough of an indicator.
You definitely don't need to oil it after every use. The main reason for applying oil is to keep it from rusting while it sits. If you just use it at least once a week then that rust isn't a concern. Even if it did rust you can just scrub the rust off before you use it.
There is all sorts of special care you can do to cast iron if you really get into it. But if you really don't care then you can just use it and wash it exactly like any other pan without issue. The whole soap thing is a myth now a days because modern soaps don't contain lye anymore. Soap is entirely unnecessary in cast iron but it won't hurt it. Seasoning is adequately acheived just by actually cooking with it. You really don't need any special process to season it unless you deliberately stripped off all the old seasoning. You can cook acidic foods in it without issue. I do tomato sauce in mine all the time.
Coated pans require way more care. At least I can use proper metal utensils in my cast iron.
I've been cooking with cast iron for years, all I do is scrub it with hot water only and let it dry. No re seasoning, no coating in oil, nothing.
I'm genuinely impressed you've managed to fuck up using cast iron.
You don't and it isn't. I cook exclusively on cast iron, and I oil it only before I put some food that requires oil. I use hot water and a paper towel to wipe it clean. Been using it for years, way less scrubbing than stainless 90 percent of the time.
But I use it exclusively and daily, so ymmv.
Oh hell no. Nonstick pans have to be babied - plastic spatulas, gentle sponges, and they get worse with time. Cast iron you almost cannot destroy, and gets better and better with use. Scrub away with chainmail, scrape with a metal spatula, it doesn't care. Too hot? Doesn't care.
If you treat cast iron with the same care that a non stick pan requires with just a little bit of oil it will be better over time. With those same instructions an average non-stick pan, used daily will degrade in 5 to 10 years. Iron is heavy and inconvenient, but carbon steel pans run 90% of the Michelin rates kitchens you will find. Cast iron can do much of the same work at home and, in the US is much easier to find. A 10 inch Lodge cast iron pan can be found in any X-mart. A 10 inch Matfer Bourgeat is a bit pricier and harder to source. Good luck with pan fried fish in a non stick pan after a month. Same with cooking 40 burgers or omelets a day for a month. 2 of the items I mentioned could do that easily. The average non-stick pan could not.
no. Teflon pans are just the worst. silicone utensils only and never turn the burner over half or your budgie dies. BTW your theory about oil coating is idiocy.
Lol so mad
The polymerized coating on cast iron is stripped almost immediately with anything acidic. It's basic chemistry.
Put some fat in the pan... You mean exactly what I do with my stainless steel?
Also cooking the way you describe builds up carbon, which is carcinogenic.
What needs to die is the emotional attachment people have to a technology that has its place, just not for every day cooking.
My grill Pan and Dutch ovens are cast iron. But they are Enameled making them a lot more useful. ,
Your "basic chemistry" doesn't match up with the lived experience of the plethora of people that frequently use cast iron/carbon steel. And yes, it doesn't matter what type of pan, including non-stick, if you want your food to taste good you're probably gonna start by heating up some fat. You're only building excess carbon in a cast iron/carbon steel if you leave on bits of burnt food and season over that. If you clean your pan properly (with soap and hot water, because that's totally allowed), that won't happen. Tons of people cook with cast iron/carbon steel every single day and have absolutely no problems with it. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying everyone should only cook with cast iron/carbon steel, all I'm saying is using those pans is way less finicky than you're making it out to be.
I don't have a horse in this race but everything is carcinogenic to some degree, burnt toast isn't going to make any real difference. And why would cast iron have a polymer coating? Unless I'm missing something wasn't the whole point to avoid that?
"basic chemistry" linseed oil is acid resistant so stfu.
Lol so mad
No wok? Also safety razors are great and I'm guessing the only reason cartridges won out is because of marketing, then the following generation forgot there was another option.
I have a carbon steel wok and even have a wok grate for my stove. While I do some Chinese cooking, I've found that on an American stove it doesn't really have any advantages.
I'm sure if I cooked more Chinese cuisine it would be a different story.
I use cast iron for most of my stovetop cooking, but I'm sure it's because my cooking style evolved around them, they were so cheap and absolutely the best pans I could afford. They become nearly nonstick, can go from stove to oven to grill, even fire. So for something like $5-20 each I accumulated a set over time, and I love them. We do wash with soap, dry right away, it doesn't kill the surface. Now I have some money for pans, we do have one gorgeous stainless All-Clad skillet I call the "stick skillet", my kids like it. But in terms of PRICE to quality, cast iron is where it's at. That one All-Clad pan cost almost as much as all my cast iron put together.
I used flax oil to season my dutch oven, and finds it stands up to frequent tomato based pasta sauces for a bout a year, but it does eventually fail, an you know immediately when that happens, iron flavoured bolognese. Did that for a few years and finally got an enamelled set for that. As for the frying pans, mine are really old (1920s) and quite lightweight, nowhere near as heavy as newer Wagner 1898s and Lodges. I find the heat retention just perfect when making a carbonara, i turn the burner off when the pasta is three minutes from done and the heat is just perfect to make the carbonara sauce cook without turning into scrambled eggs. The other use, pan frying steaks, nothing does that better. They're not for everything, I have one 7 inch teflon pan that i use for one purpose only, and that's french omelets. I have zero interest in trying that in a cast pan.
Cast iron is to sear the bajesus out of steak. Nothing else can blacken the steak crust to my satisfaction without inadvertently overcooking the middle.
I hate it for everthing else.
A tiny cheap teflon pan just for 1-2 fried eggs and nothing else.
Then SS all-clad as the go-to for everything else.
Been having good experience with the hexclad teflon pan although handwash only. I believe it is generally disliked because it is marketed as "dishwasher safe" which is absolutely false. When handwashed it holds up very well.
Cooking at such temperatures is really bad for you. It will give you literal ass cancer eventually.
It's your expensive quality cookware, if you want to ruin it I can't do anything about it.
Whispers gently to well seasoned dutch oven
Shh, it's okay, the bad man can't hurt you.
A well-seasoned Dutch oven sounds like a fate worse than death.
🍑💨💀
Unrelated: when did peach start signifying ass? It meant pussy when I was a teenager.
Clearly it's a queef Dutch oven.
I mean, I think it still does. Like, the word. But the emoji, with the two cheeks clearly sticking out like that, especially with a little peach fuzz, really sells the buttock meaning. 😅
Peach ass has been a thing forever, I never heard people associating peach to the pussy.
As what do you hear people refer to the pussy?
A box
It's pretty hard to ruin good cast iron. A good cast iron pan could spend a year at the bottom of a lake and all it would need is a good scrub and reseason to be good to go again.
About the only thing I've seen that makes them completely irrecoverable is when people use them to melt lead. Also you can crack the cheap ones in half with thermal shock.
In all seriousness I actually have this pumpkin Le Creuset cast iron Dutch oven and it's in fine shape. The pans that I hate are the gross frying pans my SO brought to this relationship which are disgusting. This Dutch oven can go in the dishwasher no problem actually.
As long as you don't leave it sitting in water you'll be fine.
I wash with soap and add a little oil every cook. Works great.
I leave mine sitting in water all the time. It still works.
As long as you don't scrape off the protective layer and then leave it in water.
Seasoning is a polymer, which is known for its strong resistance. It is unlikely to breakdown just with one dishwasher wash.
Unless you are dish washing it everyday and refuse to dry/reseason it, you will be fine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seasoning_(cookware)
This aligns with how I care for mine. Scrub it with a chainmail scrubber, Wash it with soap / watwr, then rinse dry over flame and then drizzle a but of oil and rub with a paper towel.
I have no reverence for my cast iron besides avoiding letting it sit wet for a long time.
What weirdo takes a picture of their dirty dishes and posts it to the Internet? I'm unreasonably angry, mission accomplished.
(it's from the Internet I didn't take it).
You can take care of your pans anyway you want. But it's telling when people treat neglect like it's an ethic.
Lol I like cast iron cookware, but you do whatever with what's yours as long as you leave mine alone.
I mean, as long as it's your cast iron skillet.
The whole cast iron thing is such a cult. Always makes me laugh when someone tries to preach it to me, how it's great, then there's all this stuff you need to do that you normally wouldn't, oh right you can't do this and you need to do this and yes it's heavy as all hell but that's actually a good thing
lol
I'm not a fan boy, I actually resisted getting one for nearly a year before one was gifted to me. There are a couple perks and draw backs I've learned. Pros: heating is pretty even, cleaning is actually way easier (IMO), and I can use metal on it. Cons: needs to be seasoned, takes longer to heat, some people get the ick from seeing rust.
TBH it's pretty much the only pan I use now (cause I find cleaning easier and I'm lazy AF), but people should use whatever suits them.
If you're drying it properly you really shouldn't be getting any rust. I sometimes get a bit on the handle loop but that's it.
I personally don't get rust but some people do and they can dislike that. Usually I'll put the stove on low and help it evaporate to avoid rust. Its also really only a concern if (lye free) soap is used because otherwise the seasoning prevents it pretty well
Yeah I got one for free because a family member saw rust and wanted to throw it out.
Scrub, oil, and we're good to go.
Rust (clean) is actually perfectly safe to eat! And can add extra iron content to your diet if necessary! https://van.physics.illinois.edu/ask/listing/12540
https://www.prevention.com/food-nutrition/healthy-eating/a20457846/is-using-rusty-cookware-really-that-big-of-a-deal/
(Most sources assume tainted rust, or large quantities, but small amounts of "clean" rust are fine, just don't over eat iron quantities)
People make this shole "cast iron cult" thing out to be a much bigger thing than it actually is. Cast iron is a durable material and has been used as a tool for cooking in the harshest of conditions for centuries, but to be able to use it in those harsh conditions it needs to be properly taken care of just like any tool.
The reason people seem so neurotic over taking care of cast iron is that cast iron cookware is an investment. Year after year a cast iron pan (and this applies to carbon steel pans too) becomes better and better the more the thin layers of oil polymerization into the seasoning. A fresh off the line Lodge dutch oven doesn't have the years of layer after layer after layer of polymerized oil on it as the same mode Lodge dutch oven my grandmother used when back she was half my age.
Cast iron is easy to take care of, there's nothing special about how to take care of it, but the ways to take care of it are specific because of the nature of the metal used. Hell I spend less time cleaning my cast iron pans and carbon steel wok than I do cleaning any other pan type.
The cast iron "purists" are silly. We just wash ours with soap and water and use it like any other pan. I only know of stuff you can do with cast iron, use metal spatulas, scrub it out with salt, and/or put it in the oven. Not sure what you can't do.
Granted, I don't put any pots and pans in the dishwasher. Maybe y'all have bigger dishwashers than I do, but if one item takes up half the space, what's even the point?
Tomatoes/tomato sauce seems to be a contentious topic.
That’s just cause of acidity, I’ve made sauces in mine and it’s been fine.
/s I am indeed unreasonably mad.
Not that you put the cast iron in the dishwasher (enjoy your rust), but the fact that you can actually fit the pan in your dishwasher. I recently spent $350 on a portable dishwasher and your iron skillet is bigger than that. I bought that thing to NOT have to scrub dishes. Thanks for reminding me that I STILL have to scrub pots and pans!
You baby your cookware and debate the differences of each type.
I don't even know what type of cookware I have.
We are not the same.
If you don't care why post on a thread to tell people how little you care?
Clearly making a fun joke about my cookware ineptitude. Also I didn't say I didn't care, I said I didn't know.
Why do you hate cast iron?
It feels super greasy and filthy, and everything you cook sticks to it. Give me stainless steel any day.
That's just a dirty pan. Actual cast iron seasoning isn't sticky or dirty because it has no impurities from the food, it's actually polymerized with the cast iron and it should look make the pan look black and glassy. I wash mine with Dawn soap and hand dry it, and it makes Teflon look like a joke. I can heat it without any butter or oil, drop in a glob of egg yolk, and it'll slide like it's skating on Astroglide. You're having a skill issue and you need to get good.
Yeah, I think the big hangup for a lot of people is that detergents used to contain lye which would react with the steel. No longer the case. Folks will seriously refuse to clean their pans which is gross AF.
React with the steel.. in the cast iron? I'm confused
Steel is like 98% iron. Sorry for the mistake.
But cast iron doesn't contain steel, it contains iron and carbon
What do you think carbon steel is made from?
Cast iron and steel are largely similar materials, cast iron just has the carbon precipitated out of solution instead of trapped in a crystalline structure
good lord. steel is iron and carbon, just not so much carbon it becomes brittle and called cast iron
cast iron is basically steel, but has it's own name because it's brittle. roughly between half a percent to 3 percent carbon (among other things) is the base of many steels. "cast iron" is about 4 percent carbon and pretty much no ductility
dawn literally has lye in it
From what I can see, it’s used to balance the pH. So I assume a small amount.
it's fucking lye, doesn't take much
Does this also apply to the caustic and corrosive ingredients in a soda?
It’s phosphoric acid, doesn’t make much, yet it’s safe to drink. See how fucking moronic that argument is you muppet?
What exactly is your argument here? I use Dawn; it doesn’t appear to affect my cast iron pan. Many people online use it to clean their cast iron with no ill effects.
I mean, they use the stuff to clean off ducks after oil spills. I suspect whatever concentration it has is not high enough to have any caustic effects.
So clearly it does take “much.”
You have problems with cast iron sticking but you like stainless steel? Stainless steel is probably the most non stick material you can use. I can't stand the stuff.
Interesting. Mine doesn't and I only have problems with sticking if I walk away too long. I gave a stainless pan away. To each their own! Thanks for the answer.
It is a myth that you can't use dish detergent on cast iron. If it feels greasy and filthy, it is greasy and filfthy.
The truth behind the "no soap" myth is that we used to use lye-based soap for dishwashing. Lye does, indeed, break down seasoning. But we use surfactant-based detergents now, rather than actual soap. Detergents break down oils which are necessary for rust prevention, but they don't damage seasoning. Just wipe them down with the thinnest layer of high temp oil before storing them, and you're good to go.
Your boomer parents/grandparents couldn't wash their cast iron with dish "soap". You can.
I used to love cast iron but carbon steel has stolen my heart
I bought my first carbon steel pan (a wok specifically) last week and I did a bad job at seasoning it for the first time. I had to scrub the shit out of it with steel wool and vinegar to reset. My second season was a little better but it’s still not fully non stick. I hope it will just naturally get better as I keep using it.
Oh it's the absolute best. Frank Prizinsano the chef taught me that.
I love cast iron for cooking. It's also very forgiving. Depending what I am cooking it gets treated carefully for the seasoning, or scrubbed with dish soap. The beautiful thing is I can take it camping, come home and scrub all the 'seasoning' off, then re-season with 30 min in the oven an a bit of olive oil.
When my SO and I first got together I did his dishes one day, and as I had never seen a cast iron pan I just washed it, fussing the whole time about how filthy it was. My Australian bush lunatic, one pair of underpants owning mother in law had an apoplectic fit. But seriously, these people cook salmon in them one night and pancakes the next with barely a wipe and it's disgusting. Give me stainless steel.
Well that’s just crazy. I wash mine with soap and water after cooking… but then I give it a quick flame dry and re-season on the stove top, which I can definitely admit is more maintenance than most people want to deal with.
I see someone has chosen violence today
Meanwhile, I'm like "huh, maybe you should learn how to cook, but you do your stuff, that's your own business".
Wash it all you want, should be fine as long as you hand dry it after.
I put mine in the clothes dryer with a load of socks. Is that wrong?
Depends on how much you like buying dryers.
I'm imagining the sound
For your clothes dryer most definitely. Probably not great for the sheets either.
Setting off the pan nerds should be listed as a war crime by the Geneva Convention.
Ceramic rules.
Ceramic is great for some things.
Like, cooking.
And engines.
And toilet bowls.
Most toilet bowls are made of porcelain, which is different from plain ceramic.
And rollerskate bearings
But apart from that, what have
the romansceramics done for us?the aquaduct?
Cooking some things.
Ceramic is the equivalent of non stick stuff.
Are we talking the same ceramic here? It sticks less than with teflon.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but I can't cook eggs for shit in ceramic. Give me a stainless steel or teflon pan and I can knock out a perfect french-style omelet, but give me a ceramic pan and suddenly I'm clueless. I genuinely don't understand what could possibly make such a significant difference, but I swear it's true.
Well, yes and no. Ceramic is roughly on par with Teflon nowadays.
But for example when your searing meat, inox is usually considered superior (it would be ok for eggs though).
When you're roasting potatoes, ceramic is definitely at the bottom of the list.
Each dish has its appropriate tool.
Also throw in the metal fork you used to scrape your expensive non-stick pan.
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No wash cast iron in dishwasher, bad!
Dishwasher detergent is super aggressive, because it has to clean with minimal mechanical force, therefore many materials should not be washed in the dishwasher or they will be damaged.
Ruins the patina, or something
Yep, can also cause rust
You son of a-
You can wash Cast Iron all you like, I wouldn't suggest the dishwasher, just don't use soap, scrape with a plastic paint scrapper under hot water, heat until smoking, rub some oil on it, let cool. Easy peasy. After knowing we're all poisoning ourselves with the nonstick coating and have been for decades, the Cast Iron is a great nonstick alternative.
Use "soap" if you want. Modern dishwashing liquid doesn't have lye in it. It's the lye from old school rendered soap that damages the seasoning.
Don't use anything with an abrasive more than the rough side of a sponge, and even with that, don't rub super hard or in the same place for too long.
This thread is full of people claiming that dish soap doesn't contain lye, but the most popular dish soap I'm aware of, Dawn, contains lye and that's easily found in a two second Google search.
Interesting. Sodium hydroxide.
Well, while I don't use Dawn, I do use dishwashing liquid, whatever happens to be in the house, and I've never had a bit of trouble with it.
It is non-stick if the seasoning is right, but often it's not smooth enough off the shelf.
Eggs with no oil will stick in a "non-stick" pan, too.
When you're cutting out vegetable oils to lose weight, you're doing it wrong.
Your body needs them.
What it doesn't need is animal fat, and what you can safely reduce to lose weight are simple carbohydrates.
A bit of olive oil in a mister doesn't add enough calories to matter.
That's just an abuse of olive oil. Olive oil is a finishing oil when you want the flavor. Use a neutral oil like avocado.
They key with cast iron is using enough fat, which is generally more than you'd use with other cookware. High heat just burns the fat and/or the food, ruining your meal and making cleanup more difficult.
What cast iron is really good at in terms of heat is retaining it. There's enough mass that you have to preheat the pan for longer, but once it's hot, it stays at a pretty stable temperature when you add your ingredients. It doesn't get hot spots as severly, either, especially if preheated for a good long time at a relatively low heat.
A tiny bit of water unsticks them.
Yeah cast iron, even with a good seasoning, will never match a Teflon coating. It's pretty good, but you will need to cook some bacon in the pan before the eggs to make them not stick.
Teflon itself isn't poison. The entire point of teflon is that it's so chemically unreactive that nothing can even bind to it on a molecular level.
The problem with Teflon is that manufacturing it uses a lot of actually toxic chemicals incidental to making the Teflon bind to the metal of a pan and because it's so non-reactive and very brittle, general use and any disposal of it will result in Teflon molecules just floating around in the environment unable to be broken down by anything.
I just reseasoned my 12” Lodge today! A lot of nasty smells coming out as I took off layers and layers of old seasoning with barkeeper’s friend. But now it has a non sticky, glassy smooth new sunflower oil seasoning. Very slick!
Does anyone know how to avoid having bacon foul up the seasoning? Seems like it always reacts chemically and incorporates proteins into the seasoning which make it nasty and dry and flaky rather than smooth and glassy.
Try washing it.
So long as you're not using the lye-based soaps your grandparents used to wash their dishes, you're fine. Dishwashing detergent does not damage seasoning.
That’s what led me to redoing the seasoning today. I washed up the grease with a few drops of Dawn and the pan came out with large areas of brown/white and dry/powdery rather than black and shiny.
I definitely have had the pan have a really strong seasoning that maintains a hard, glossy black finish even after washing with soap before. I’m hoping the current seasoning holds up a bit better.
I think maybe sometimes I burn the seasoning from cooking with too high heat? I really love to put a good sear on a burger or a steak and I love how cast iron is like a deep cycle battery that can store and release a large amount of heat into a piece of food.
That will happen around 450-500F. One method of stripping seasoning is to run it through an oven self-cleaning cycle.
Ahhh I probably get it over 500 for a big sear. Kinda crazy that my stove’s burner can get there even on medium.
If you want it that high, I would suggest using wok seasoning methods instead of cast iron. Basically, you "blue" the pan (develop a black iron oxide layer) by holding it at 550F for an hour or so. You'll burn off the oil every time you use it, but the black oxide layer is relatively non-stick. This will work better with carbon steel than cast iron.
Alternatively, you might consider an even heavier pan, to hold a 400-450F temperature even longer.
The burner will get well over a thousand. Without something cooling it off, a pan can overheat even on low.
Scrub it clean with soap, then put the pan on a burner to heat dry it. At the end, rub a very thin layer of fat on it. I use clarified butter. It's a cumulative process, you won't see all the benefits of nonstick all at once.
That butter is going rancid on the surface.
Store bought modern bacon is loaded with sugars and that is what is causing the issues. I've found that the older the seasoning the lesser the impact. Still, just scrub off the stuck on bits with a chain mail and some hot water with a mild dish detergent then do a quick post-season on the stove and it's like it never happened.
Fuck you. >:(🖕
I'm loving all the superstition in this thread.
You have to be like at least 50 to get mad over some pan
I just turned 50 last month in fact?
In this thread are people trying to use one tool for everything.
You don't use a screwdriver for everything.
Likewise, in the kitchen, you don't use the same utensil for everything.
And I'm sorry, for the people that have one fork, one knife one knife, one pan. No. Unless you live on shit food, you can't cook with just that.
If you actually want tasty food, you'll need some hardware. There's just no way around it.
Disclaimer, I'm French, and an actual cook (non practising).
Good a non-practising French, thought I could smell you through the screen for a moment.
Ya the smug alert in that one was to high
I was giggling uncontrollably, so I knew that a US guy had to have replied to one of my posts with something hilarious. Of course I wasn't wrong.
You can use a wok for just about everything. Not great for baking, but anything else can be done in a wok, but even us chinese cooks (I am white, but learned to cook Chinese food) will look at you weird if you actually try to cook everything in a wok.
You aren't cooking many things if all you're using is a wok.
A wok is simultaneously a frying pan, a sauce pan, a soup pot, and a deep frier, when not in use. It's Schrodinger's kitchen appliance.
I'm a former chef that was trained in over 10 styles of food prep. I just don't bake much.
Woks don't have buttons! How the hell do you expect to deep fry things without any buttons!? I've seen into the back of a McDonald's before, their deep fryers have buttons and beep and shit. If a wok ever beeped at me, I wouldn't think "oh, fries are done," I'd think, "am I going insane?"
Unless you're using one as a helmet, in which case it's more of a ding than a beep, but it means it just saved your life and you should tip your blacksmith. You should also probably clean the wok before you use it to sear something and set it aside or bake cookies or anything, though.
You just pout oil in it, bring the oil up to temp, and set a timer when you drop the food in. Just like deep frying in a pot at home
A wok is great for searing stuff and then putting some of it aside, so that you can cook several things at once. Nothing else has ever come close to it.
But that's the limit of the wok. It's a fucking amazing device, but it's not the ultimate cooking ninja super appliance that does it all.
Ummmm wow. Wasn't aware that the 7 wok stove that I cooked on daily for a decade was just for searing things and setting them aside. I guess the chicken broth in the center wok, and all the frying of the frying wok should stop existing since a French cook is trying to tell Chinese cooks how to use their own invention.
jokes on you, i am
I feel bad for people who truly can not afford good kitchen stuff, granted most people in my area can. Otherwise yeah, assuming the person were discussing can afford it. There's no going around spending a little money on good kitchenware if decent results are expected. It's not like people have to drop thousands, but a few hundred is kinda normal.
Also tip for anyone who's building up their first kitchen, those gimmicky things that are always on sale are almost always crap. Buying that stuff is worse than gambling, cause at least gambling doesn't leave you with a kitchen full of worthless clutter.
Now there's a lot of people who can't.
Because kitchenware is actually hideously expensive. And even here, in France where we have access to the fundamental cooking industry tools - ok maybe slightly less-)
(Ok, I said I was in France, it's cool, feel free to downvote me now)
Sometimes you have to use some pot as meat tenderizer...
Sure, if it's heavy enough.
I find it amusing that as someone that actually spent years learning how to cook, and that I took the took the time to understand the chemistry and logic of cooking, I'm downvoted because:
Condescending and a pity party. Really a wonder why people aren't flocking to upvote.
Well now you're getting downvoted for complaining about downvotes
I don't really care. Being French here means you're being downvoted.
Just like I'm donwoting US users.
I'm English, don't forget to downvote me!
Lol if you didn't care you wouldn't be constantly complaining about it
Oddly enough when there are fuck the mexicans or fuck the poles posts, people are vaguely interested.
its just a fry pan
In all fairness by the looks of the carbon buildup on the outside this skillet is due to be reseasoned. I doubt the dishwasher will do much to help; this thing needs a lye bath or electrolysis at this point.
I just stripped my 20+ year-old 10" lodge because the carbon buildup was flaking on the inside. The pan is better than new now as the rough finish has worn considerably (though it isn't glass smooth). I have a lot of fond memories of meals made in this skillet and plan on using it for the rest of my life even though I can afford and own arguably better quality cookware these days.
It's going to be a good day.
Everyone acts like enameled cast iron doesn't exist...
The look of that pan somebody needs Go ahead and strip it back down to bare and restart seasoning.
This thread is full of people claiming that dish soap doesn't contain lye, but the most popular dish soap I'm aware of, Dawn, contains lye and that's easily found in a two second Google search.
what the hell is dawn?
https://gprivate.com/6eu29
I bet I’d get this joke if I had ever used a dishwasher in my life
You're not special for washing dishes in a less efficient way that's worse for the environment. If you've just never had access to one, ignore me, but Ive definitely known a surprising number of people who have dishwashers in their apartments but refuse to use them. If that's you, you're probably doing life wrong.
Anyway there's nothing that unique about the dishwasher itself, washing cast iron in hot soap and water and then leaving it to air dry will strip the protection of the polymerized oil and then trigger the pan to rust. Nothing to do with dishwashers as a technology except if you wash a pan by hand you're likely scrubbing it less effectively and not willing to spend 1-2 hours spraying it with hot water. If you stick the pan into the washer for 15 mins, immediately rinse, dry, and re season, it's not particularly different from washing by hand.
Ewe 😆 Cute grand stand but I grew up living in spare bedrooms and in a homeless shelter for a bit. Not pretending to be special because we couldn’t afford luxuries like that. Keep soapboxing in meme posts though, makes you seem important.
As I said if this wasn't a choice you should ignore me.