As a person who grew up in American schools post-Columbine, with kids in schools now, and none of us are CEOs, this is probably the take that saddens me most about this whole event. It’s our kids, and the argument used to be about freedom. Soon, we won’t even have that. What was the fucking point? (Rhetorical: profit)
I know we’re all alive at a special time in humanity. We think we’re so civilized. Then I look around, and it’s the same history playing on repeat. When do the monkeys figure out it’s one species? (Rhetorical again: 😬)
On the plus side, maybe this will actually result in some kind of reasonable gun legislation that will trickle down to a reduction of general gun violence. Maybe. Hopefully. Sometimes all it takes is showing the leopard party that their faces are also in danger.
Since the guys who gets rich selling guns want to keep doing that, and the other CEOs want to continue existing without bullets in them.... Would they start hiring hitmen on each other??
People aren't all the same species. People with human bodies come in lots of species on the inside. For example, drag has a pet dragon whose body is human. The world is much more interesting after you realise everyone's different.
Drag doesn't use he/him pronouns, and doesn't identify as a guy. You're allowed to disagree with drag's gender identity and think trans people should only be allowed to identify as genders you approve of, but assigning an entirely new gender onto drag is taking things a bit too far.
It is disturbing to have a body that doesn't align with my species. If you mean my very existence makes you uncomfortable then kindly shut the fuck up and live and let live.
Well you see, drag is a dragon rider, and drag the dragon rider rides a dragon. If you'd like to know more about this kind of relationship, you should read Eragon.
Our election system mathematically guarantees there will be only two useful choices. Any attempt to swap one of those out requires years of transition in which you are actively helping the side who agrees with you even less to win and move you further away from what you want.
Until we have more ubiquitous ranked-choice-esque systems, that will not change.
Yes, but this has to be done in a more local level. Trying to force a new party into existence starting at the federal level is not planning for success
Jill Stein opposed the genocide in Gaza which was supported by the Democrats and Republicans. As a result, she had support in many Arab-American communities. There were a lot of news stories about this, particularly towards the end of the election.
It pretty neatly fits the definition of (individual) terrorism (which doesn't really exist). It was an act of violence, not based on personal grievance with the direct victim, but based on grievance with the system he represented. But, yeah, they probably wouldn't ever pull that when someone gets murdered for racist reasons, which you could also classify as terrorism.
🎶 Because it's about class and not about justice. 🎶
For what it's worth, we do have hate crime laws that are supposed to be used in cases where racism is at play. I'm not saying it's always used, but we do have additional penalties for it.
This is kinda the OG definition of terrorism actually. Back when 19th century anarchists invented this hot new direct action political tactic called terrorism. It was all the rage, for a while, but it backfired and increased public sympathy towards the bourgeoisie and the nobility.
funny how murikans are Super against gun violence all of a sudden when it happened to a rich white male.. but not so much when its a class full of poor kids
Do you actually have a point? Innocent children slain: bad. Evil leech that has a large part in oppressing us - maybe not so bad.
Do you really think the dude being white has anything to do with it? Pretty sure "CEO of health insurance company" is a sufficient descriptor and race has nothing to do with it
Unfortunately, the people doing it are the media
It's a quintessential "man bites dog" story. Normally it's the insurance companies killing civilians. Everyone is going to cover it. The police had a manhunt because it would look ridiculous if they didn't solve such a high-profile case.
It's kind of a symbiotic relationship, the media covers it, the police react harshly, the media covers it more.
You know what looks even more ridiculous? Only taking action on anything when the victims are wealthy. Go read about how ridiculously lax NYC laws against crime are. But some rich dude gets shot and all of the sudden the cops are Columbo, and the court prosecutors are Matlock (yes I'm aware how old those references make me seem).
Who do we charge with terrorism for people being forced to watch their loved ones die from preventable causes that were denied treatment and cures by insurance companies? Asking for some revolutionaries I might or might not know.
Rumor has it, if you say, "deny, defend, depose" in your phone 3 times, you'll get charged with terrorism too. Hopefully you're an American citizen or else it's off to Guantanamo bay for you.
The unconstitutional Patriot Act says they can do that to citizens too, as long as they're suspected of terrorism. That's why everything is "terrorism" these days, because under that accusation they'll strip you of your constitutional rights and do whatever the fuck they want. It's tyranny.
Still, as a person not interested (usually) in agreeing with my counterparts, notice how this is a "good guy with a gun" situation. So maybe militia movement has a point. They just don't know how to use their correctness outside of their one part of society's fabric, but that's up to those who know those other parts. Cooperation and collaboration, all that.
And almost any "good guy with a gun" can be called a terrorist formally. It's an arbitrary separation.
So maybe gun rights really are human rights.
You've probably noticed how in any group the best decisions are made when every opinion is respected, and if it's incomprehensible, made comprehensible with good and kind effort, and where aggression and expulsion are minimized.
Yes, my aunts, uncle and cousin live in a country reproducing "Animal farm" the last 6 years, with the end goal of being occupied and turned into a reservation. That book is more like reality than many would think.
(I just felt I had to add the "dark universe" because here in ours he's comparatively pretty fucking alright when compared to the current leadership of the states. I criticised the US government back in his day as well, but the president isn't a magical dictator and the longer it goes the more I miss him.)
They want to make Luigi an example. "Don't do what he did, he's being quickly processed with terrorism added to the charges. You don't wanna be a terrorist do you?"
... and in other news: Insurance CEOs are some of the best human beings walking on this Earth! Just this morning, one of them gave $50 to a homeless person who lost everything paying a hospital bill. What a golden heart!
It's not that what Dylan Roof did wasn't terrorism, it's that he wasn't in New York state. Same with that case involving Trump and property values, never would have been charged in Montana for that, everyone knows assessed value and real value are two different things.
This is because the Government with Republicans and Neo Liberals are about business interests over the American people. People need to just start sharing their denials from United healthcare every time they right a piece how Luigi is evil. So tired of this bullshit. And here is another thought pro lifers need to start protesting for universal healthcare to be consistent.
They'll make it illegal to share "sensitive information" like healthcare insurance denials, and they'll punish you for releasing your own sensitive information.
And then they'll go after anyone reposting it for violating your rights, they'll charge them on your behalf regardless of whether you protest that you don't want to charge them.
I love how they media seems shocked whenever they find Americans who have been radicalized, when one of their counterparts have been radicalized Americans for the last handful of decades.
That's on purpose - by acting shocked they expect viewers to react the same way. It's essentially telling their audience how to feel about the story without outright saying "you should feel like this".
The same way the laugh track in sitcoms ques the audience to know that something was supposed to be funny. Try watching those shows without the laugh track and see how funny they feel or how often you laugh
Billionaires want to be both political and non-political. They want to be the average person who "worked hard to get where they are without help" and they want to be the special upper class who deserves special protection when one of their own gets shot.
This is very close to them admitting that class warfare is real.
"While the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has maintained that these actions are not terrorism, this article suggests that there is a correspondence between incidents perpetrated between 1982 and 1987 and standards classifications of "limited political" or "subrevolutionary" terrorism. Perhaps the FBI has declined to accept the terrorism definition because of its preoccupation with international events which are seen in terms of administrative or jurisdictional definitions."
That's from 1988.
From 1977 to 1988, an epidemic of antiabortion violence took place in the United States, involving 110 cases of arson, firebombing, or bombing. The epidemic peaked in 1984, when there were 29 attacks. Nearly all sites (98%) were clinics that provided abortions. The FBI still says that those were not acts of terrorism.
Every single year 15,000 people die just because of the claim denials from United healthcare alone. Under the leadership of Thompson, UHC committed five times the death toll of 9/11...each year
1 vs 15,000. Do you attribute more value to the life of a CEO then a working class family?
More and more people are becoming suicidal because of the way that this country is turning into the hopelessness that it drives into their souls.
Mark my words, this is just the beginning. Why kill yourself when you can take out someone evil beforehand?
Gun was printed. Do you realize that there is no stopping 3D printed guns now?
I've been in the community for many years, reluctantly due to their right wing tendencies. People are making 50 cal sniper rifles, 38 mm grenade launchers, and fully automatic submachine guns.
My little AR pistol runs at 10 rounds per second. Legally
All at home.
The Glock used by Luigi is an old design. He just made the most reliable one (ignoring the silencer issues)
As a person who grew up in American schools post-Columbine, with kids in schools now, and none of us are CEOs, this is probably the take that saddens me most about this whole event. It’s our kids, and the argument used to be about freedom. Soon, we won’t even have that. What was the fucking point? (Rhetorical: profit)
I know we’re all alive at a special time in humanity. We think we’re so civilized. Then I look around, and it’s the same history playing on repeat. When do the monkeys figure out it’s one species? (Rhetorical again: 😬)
On the plus side, maybe this will actually result in some kind of reasonable gun legislation that will trickle down to a reduction of general gun violence. Maybe. Hopefully. Sometimes all it takes is showing the leopard party that their faces are also in danger.
Soon only CEOs will be allowed to carry guns?
That would actually help a lot ...
Help with inescapable oppression for sure.
Everyone would start a company and name themselves CEO?
Trickle down gun reform? I feel like I’ve heard this before
No. There haven’t been enough rich people dying to override the NRA propaganda so far.
Maybe the CEO's will start to fight each other.
Since the guys who gets rich selling guns want to keep doing that, and the other CEOs want to continue existing without bullets in them.... Would they start hiring hitmen on each other??
Now that's an interesting situation.
People aren't all the same species. People with human bodies come in lots of species on the inside. For example, drag has a pet dragon whose body is human. The world is much more interesting after you realise everyone's different.
looks at username Uh oh...
Ikr jfc
What? Do you have a problem with dragons, or just with love?
Thanks for putting into words why I've always found this user to be icky...
I have a problem with dragons. They're overused to the point of being boring
That's a bit of an ironic thing to say if you're a human.
No it's not. They don't fill the same story niche. And you're human too, regardless of what your calls for calls for attention say.
Yeah? What of it?
Yeah, I'm all for pronouns and shit, but no. You don't.
You have a pet human? Is that like a sex thing?
No, drag doesn't have any pet humans. You must have drag confused for someone else.
Does drag have any pet dragons in a human body? Is that pet dragon a sex thing?
That's a really weird and gross way to talk about drag's fiance.
Ahh, so that's why you are the dragon rider 😉
So you're a vegan, then?
Or do you only think ownership is wrong when it's consented to?
Sorry you're getting dragged for this comment.
Dunno why they downvoted you.
Because this multiple species take has been a basis of slavery in the past.
people aren't realizing this is that crazy guy who thinks he's a dragon and refers to himself in third person.
No one's enslaving anybody. Dreg's just being a based otherkin and living beyond the limitations of human existence.
Drag doesn't use he/him pronouns, and doesn't identify as a guy. You're allowed to disagree with drag's gender identity and think trans people should only be allowed to identify as genders you approve of, but assigning an entirely new gender onto drag is taking things a bit too far.
Maybe they want the world to be boring
Or maybe they're worried that you're collecting humans as pets
Dreg never said anything about humans as pets
They said they have a pet dragon whose body is human. I'm not sure how to parse that, but it could be quite disturbing.
It is disturbing to have a body that doesn't align with my species. If you mean my very existence makes you uncomfortable then kindly shut the fuck up and live and let live.
Drag doesn't use he/him pronouns. But otherwise thank you for the support.
You got it my friend.
They don't have to worry about that, drag doesn't have any human pets.
I'm very confused by your statement that you have a pet dragon whose body is human.
Well you see, drag is a dragon rider, and drag the dragon rider rides a dragon. If you'd like to know more about this kind of relationship, you should read Eragon.
US voters
If only Kamala had won, then the Biden administration wouldn't be doing this
For the ones in the back: the presidential elections aren't the only elections.
If only the American people weren't addicted to republicans and democrats. This might not happen.
if only American politics wasn't so organically intertwined with billionaires...
Our election system mathematically guarantees there will be only two useful choices. Any attempt to swap one of those out requires years of transition in which you are actively helping the side who agrees with you even less to win and move you further away from what you want.
Until we have more ubiquitous ranked-choice-esque systems, that will not change.
Step 1 is voting for people who want to change the system - and they do exist
Yes, but this has to be done in a more local level. Trying to force a new party into existence starting at the federal level is not planning for success
Exactly, from the bottom up. Local candidates are probably the only ones you have a real chance of meeting and engaging with more often.
Oof! Ha ha
PD: How do I ban people who post hard truths?
I voted for Jill Stein, don’t blame me
Please tell me this is a joke.
Has to be.
...
Right?
Yeah, why would somebody with Arabic characters in their username vote for Jill Stein? Truly a mystery.
Why would I make assumptions about a person's intelligence based on their race or cultural background?
Jill Stein opposed the genocide in Gaza which was supported by the Democrats and Republicans. As a result, she had support in many Arab-American communities. There were a lot of news stories about this, particularly towards the end of the election.
Sure thing.
how did you not hand the US to amerikkkan oligarchy?
How to trigger an american?
Tell them you voted third party. Yes, the two party system is perfectly ok.
Do you have brain damage? Fucking nobody thinks the two party system is ok, we just aren't delusional.
By voting for Jill Stein.
The left keeps voting for Democrats, and the country keeps getting more and more fascist. But sure, it's the Green Party that's the problem!
The White Christian Demopublican oligarchy is guilty of genocide so I voted for the nice Jewish Lady who promised to stop it.
The only real choice tbh.
It pretty neatly fits the definition of (individual) terrorism (which doesn't really exist). It was an act of violence, not based on personal grievance with the direct victim, but based on grievance with the system he represented. But, yeah, they probably wouldn't ever pull that when someone gets murdered for racist reasons, which you could also classify as terrorism.
🎶 Because it's about class and not about justice. 🎶
For what it's worth, we do have hate crime laws that are supposed to be used in cases where racism is at play. I'm not saying it's always used, but we do have additional penalties for it.
This is kinda the OG definition of terrorism actually. Back when 19th century anarchists invented this hot new direct action political tactic called terrorism. It was all the rage, for a while, but it backfired and increased public sympathy towards the bourgeoisie and the nobility.
They are terrified. He did terrorize their class. So maybe just maybe being a terrorist isn’t bad, it depends on who you terrorize?
funny how murikans are Super against gun violence all of a sudden when it happened to a rich white male.. but not so much when its a class full of poor kids
Seems like most Americans are pro Luigi, but the government isn’t
The government and their bosses
The kids were already born, they don't give a shit about them after that
Do you actually have a point? Innocent children slain: bad. Evil leech that has a large part in oppressing us - maybe not so bad.
Do you really think the dude being white has anything to do with it? Pretty sure "CEO of health insurance company" is a sufficient descriptor and race has nothing to do with it
Spot on
Congratulations on the stupidest take in the entire comment section.
Unfortunately, the people doing it are the media It's a quintessential "man bites dog" story. Normally it's the insurance companies killing civilians. Everyone is going to cover it. The police had a manhunt because it would look ridiculous if they didn't solve such a high-profile case.
It's kind of a symbiotic relationship, the media covers it, the police react harshly, the media covers it more.
You know what looks even more ridiculous? Only taking action on anything when the victims are wealthy. Go read about how ridiculously lax NYC laws against crime are. But some rich dude gets shot and all of the sudden the cops are Columbo, and the court prosecutors are Matlock (yes I'm aware how old those references make me seem).
As a fellow old, I appreciate these nearly Paleolithic references for context.
One of my eyes fossilized just by reading this
Who do we charge with terrorism for people being forced to watch their loved ones die from preventable causes that were denied treatment and cures by insurance companies? Asking for some revolutionaries I might or might not know.
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Yeah, trying to upcharge this from murder to "terrorism" is going to backfire spectacularly in the prosecutor's face.
Let's hope. But as we all know truth is financially dictated in our "justice" system, so it is a gamble.
Rumor has it, if you say, "deny, defend, depose" in your phone 3 times, you'll get charged with terrorism too. Hopefully you're an American citizen or else it's off to Guantanamo bay for you.
The unconstitutional Patriot Act says they can do that to citizens too, as long as they're suspected of terrorism. That's why everything is "terrorism" these days, because under that accusation they'll strip you of your constitutional rights and do whatever the fuck they want. It's tyranny.
Still, as a person not interested (usually) in agreeing with my counterparts, notice how this is a "good guy with a gun" situation. So maybe militia movement has a point. They just don't know how to use their correctness outside of their one part of society's fabric, but that's up to those who know those other parts. Cooperation and collaboration, all that.
And almost any "good guy with a gun" can be called a terrorist formally. It's an arbitrary separation.
So maybe gun rights really are human rights.
You've probably noticed how in any group the best decisions are made when every opinion is respected, and if it's incomprehensible, made comprehensible with good and kind effort, and where aggression and expulsion are minimized.
It's the same in politics.
Lefty here, yes, that is what we, including George Orwell, have been saying for years.
Yes, my aunts, uncle and cousin live in a country reproducing "Animal farm" the last 6 years, with the end goal of being occupied and turned into a reservation. That book is more like reality than many would think.
Among the greatest books ever written
If you say "Gitmo Bay" three times in the mirror, a dark universe Obama appears and snatches you.
Does the dark universe do "enhanced interrogation" too, or the opposite?
They just call it "interrogation."
(I just felt I had to add the "dark universe" because here in ours he's comparatively pretty fucking alright when compared to the current leadership of the states. I criticised the US government back in his day as well, but the president isn't a magical dictator and the longer it goes the more I miss him.)
They want to make Luigi an example. "Don't do what he did, he's being quickly processed with terrorism added to the charges. You don't wanna be a terrorist do you?"
... and in other news: Insurance CEOs are some of the best human beings walking on this Earth! Just this morning, one of them gave $50 to a homeless person who lost everything paying a hospital bill. What a golden heart!
I misread that as golem heart.
The complete lack of understanding someone who is pushed into a corner and has nothing to lose. Someone who expects the worst anyway.
It's not that what Dylan Roof did wasn't terrorism, it's that he wasn't in New York state. Same with that case involving Trump and property values, never would have been charged in Montana for that, everyone knows assessed value and real value are two different things.
Lol so mad
This is because the Government with Republicans and Neo Liberals are about business interests over the American people. People need to just start sharing their denials from United healthcare every time they right a piece how Luigi is evil. So tired of this bullshit. And here is another thought pro lifers need to start protesting for universal healthcare to be consistent.
They'll make it illegal to share "sensitive information" like healthcare insurance denials, and they'll punish you for releasing your own sensitive information.
And then they'll go after anyone reposting it for violating your rights, they'll charge them on your behalf regardless of whether you protest that you don't want to charge them.
They'll violate you in weird ways.
False! Corporations are people in the eyes of the law, and the only "people" who matter to the institutions.
These charges are being brought up in a state controlled by Democrats.
I love how they media seems shocked whenever they find Americans who have been radicalized, when one of their counterparts have been radicalized Americans for the last handful of decades.
That's on purpose - by acting shocked they expect viewers to react the same way. It's essentially telling their audience how to feel about the story without outright saying "you should feel like this".
The same way the laugh track in sitcoms ques the audience to know that something was supposed to be funny. Try watching those shows without the laugh track and see how funny they feel or how often you laugh
Who exactly is terrified here?
Shareholders.
Translation: majority shareholders
Translation: the obscenely wealthy that run the country
Billionaires want to be both political and non-political. They want to be the average person who "worked hard to get where they are without help" and they want to be the special upper class who deserves special protection when one of their own gets shot.
This is very close to them admitting that class warfare is real.
I mean, terrorism is just politically motivated violence.
This country was founded by terrorists.
Is everyone just now learning terrorism means political violence?
Then why doesnt the FBI consider people who blow up or set fire to abortion clinics terrorism?
They often do.
https://www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/abortion-clinic-violence-terrorism
"While the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) has maintained that these actions are not terrorism, this article suggests that there is a correspondence between incidents perpetrated between 1982 and 1987 and standards classifications of "limited political" or "subrevolutionary" terrorism. Perhaps the FBI has declined to accept the terrorism definition because of its preoccupation with international events which are seen in terms of administrative or jurisdictional definitions."
That's from 1988.
From 1977 to 1988, an epidemic of antiabortion violence took place in the United States, involving 110 cases of arson, firebombing, or bombing. The epidemic peaked in 1984, when there were 29 attacks. Nearly all sites (98%) were clinics that provided abortions. The FBI still says that those were not acts of terrorism.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/1957842/
well, you sure showed me what went on....40 years ago
You're right. It's not like history is important or anything. Silly me.
Not really proving the point you think you are.
Lol so mad
Lol so mad
Lol so mad
That might be a good thing, because making a terrorism charge stick
is going to beshould in a just world be really really difficult.Is it a separate charge?
He can still be convicted for 1st degree.
I thought you could just mutter terrorism under your breath and then say 9/11 and stick them in a cell forever.
Because all the dainty little devils are terrified
Keep highlighting the issue.
What a shocking surprise. Why stop there? Why not charge him with genocide? Bring him to The Hague and charge him with war crimes?
Billionaires are reading this post and thoughtfully taking notes.
Both are awful. There's too many guns in this country.
That's a sick and disgusting attitude. Blocking you.
Too many guns, too many people willing to shoot those guns, not enough politicians prioritizing mental health
Too many CEOs, not enough universal healthcare. Guns are a red herring here.
One can be pro-gun and for regulation at the same time.
Disarm the violent, arm the nonviolent. For life.
If you so much as strike another person in anger, instantly banned for life.
Luigi was a non-violent person, he didn't do what he did to watch a man's head explode. He did what he had to do
He never had to kill anyone. He chose to murder someone.
I wonder how long it's going to take for you people to join the right side of the class war.
You are not one of them. The second your child gets sick you will understand
There's no "war". Stop glorifying cold blooded murder.
You are right, wars are not one-sided.
Every single year 15,000 people die just because of the claim denials from United healthcare alone. Under the leadership of Thompson, UHC committed five times the death toll of 9/11...each year
1 vs 15,000. Do you attribute more value to the life of a CEO then a working class family?
More and more people are becoming suicidal because of the way that this country is turning into the hopelessness that it drives into their souls.
Mark my words, this is just the beginning. Why kill yourself when you can take out someone evil beforehand?
Mental illness like forcing your employees back into the office when they did the job remotely just fine for two years
Gun was printed. Do you realize that there is no stopping 3D printed guns now?
I've been in the community for many years, reluctantly due to their right wing tendencies. People are making 50 cal sniper rifles, 38 mm grenade launchers, and fully automatic submachine guns.
My little AR pistol runs at 10 rounds per second. Legally
All at home.
The Glock used by Luigi is an old design. He just made the most reliable one (ignoring the silencer issues)
You know that the gun was printed right? You could ban all guns and you would never stop someone from making a homemade gun.
There are people in European countries where it's completely illegal to even own ammunition, they are perfectly able to make fully automatic rifles.
I don't say any of this as a bad thing btw
Unless there is a plan to strip violent people of firearms, I'm going to continue to make my own and train twice as much as they do.
ARM THE LEFT
Fine then all guns AND all ammunition should be gone.
Dude there's an entire community of people reloading their own cartridges. You will not legislate your way out of this.
There are people creating 50 cal rail guns that use only electricity. No explosions, infinitely reusable
BOtH SiDeS