Yeah I remember an anecdote about two Americans on a beach referring to a black British man as something like "African American British" but it was even so long ago that I've forgot what they said exactly.
Just curious: where was that? Since I was a child, "Bimbo" meant a dumb, attractive, woman, and implied promiscuity. I heard it most in (Italian) gangster movies, mostly. From what I can tell, the racial slur meaning is used in Germany.
Funny; I lived in Germany for a couple of years and never heard that version, but then, I didn't hang out with the types that would be inclined to teach it to me. I got standard cuss words and some colloquial Bavarian curses.
I haven't heard it since I left elementary school. I only realized later that there were some really racist kids on that school. Also, it was the 80s. It's shocking to me now that I learnt basically all the racist and antisemitic jokes I know during my time at elementary school.
Yeah, me too. And a vast amount of misogynistic stuff. The latter, I suspect, was just bog-standard puberty and oral lore, most of which was crude. But I still remember many limericks.
In latin america we say "Mi negro, mi flaco, mi gordo, mi pelado" ("My black, my skinny, my fatty, my baldie") and could not care less. Sometimes even to strangers.
Look, there's half a billion of us and I'm not gonna reject the possibility that wherever you're from people say "café negro" for some reason, but yeah, no, it's "café solo" as far as I'm concerned. You might as well call café con leche "café beige".
Look, there’s half a billion of us and I’m not gonna reject the possibility that wherever you’re from people say “café negro” for some reason, but yeah, no,
Go to Google Maps and search for the phrase: "Cafe Negro Mexico"
There are several cafes named that and if you search South America there are some there too.
Here's one in Mexico City:
Most The first majority of Spanish speaking people are Mexican. We ask for café negro. Now, the interesting part is that if you want a café negro in any cafe, and you feel awkward about it, you can ask for a café americano. It's curious how the café negro in this setup is the "American coffee". Then again, we don't think America is America, we understand America as the Americas.
Sure I worded this weirdly. As far as nationalities go, there is no other country in the world with more Spanish speaking people, by far. There. But that wasn't even the point. The point was that >100 million Spanish speaking people would ask for "café negro".
EDIT: Merriam Webster accepts "most" as a synonym for "greatest in quantity, extent or degree", which is not necessarily at least half plus one. Then again, I'm not a native English speaker. I edited the original comment to be clear.
My first time in Spain I asked for café negro and was corrected to say con leche. Not in a 'that's racist' kind of way, but in a 'that is inaccurate, even though we understand' way.
"Café negro" (which I've never heard for black coffee) would be "Café solo" or "Café sin leche" (literally, "coffee by itself", or "coffee without milk"). "Café con leche" would be coffee with milk, which definitely is not black coffee.
Believe it or not, I've met two white people, both from the Southern U.S., who would look around and whisper the word "black" when they used it. When talking about black people, but also in other contexts.
This is dumb, like really really dumb. So dumb it's unrecognizable from conservative propaganda about how the libs are too triggered to even order black coffee.
But Starbucks coffee is also burned, but more because the beans are roasted too hard (which makes sense if you're going to pour one espresso into a pint of milk, but it sucks if you drink it without milk).
The coffee isn't burned (at least if you order espresso), the beans are, but the beans at the place using the percolator is also using cheap, burnt beans AND burning the coffee with a percolator
Neither is close to ideal coffee, but for me one is far worse
That’s an inherent flaw of the classic US percolators, where the coffee drips back down into the boiling water. It’s near impossible to not burn st least some of the coffee. Even basic filter coffee is usually better.
The recirculation of the coffee is not strictly necessary. Sure, it wouldn’t be a classic American percolator but there are other coffee makers that work by very similar principles but without burning your coffee (like drip brew filter coffee machines or my favorite, moka pots). Percolated in general just means "filtered" or "strained".
My in-law makes cowboy coffee in a great big kettle on the stove when all the kids arrive for the holidays and it's actually some of the best coffee I've ever had. What trips me out is that he drinks crappy pod coffee the rest of the year.
I guess I'm not in my right mind then. At home cowboy coffee only, I don't even have a French press or a v60. Although in my country we call it tramp coffee.
Nah, it’s not just murica. Here in Germany for example, if you order a cup of coffee you usually get filter coffee. If you want espresso, you have to order espresso.
In your area, that may be true. Around here, and by experience in a good chunk of southern Europe, asking for a coffee will get you an espresso 100% of the time.
Asking for drip coffee will probably get you scorned and sent off, or if they're nice they may offer to make you instant coffee if they have it.
Scorned? Lol, what a bunch of prudes. Some people just can't let others enjoy things. Espresso used to be considered hoity toity here in Canada, but that was years ago. It's pretty normalized now.
I was under the impression that even if it was the norm, espressos were always referred to as espressos. Neat. I know a good chunk of the world also heavily uses French presses in their coffee making, but the end result is functionally similar to drip coffee.
Edit: I believe I've been misunderstood. Not having drip coffee doesn't make one a prude. Scorning others for their preferred beverage preparation makes one a prude.
Not sure I'd call them prudes, it's just that anywhere that serves coffee - every coffee shop, restaurant, bakery, pub, etc - has a grinder and a "professional" (multiple taps) espresso machine, it's just "standard" - I don't think I've seen a coffee pot other than in niche American-styled dinners, or hotels for tourists. Asking for an Americano is a thing though, but what you get is an espresso in a mug.
The "drip" variety usually tastes either very bland or quite burnt, and doesn't punch the same way, so the common view is that it's "watered down" coffee and not well regarded.
I believe I've been misunderstood. Not having drip coffee doesn't make one a prude. Scorning others for their preferred beverage preparation makes one a prude.
In southern Europe, almost everywhere has an espresso machine. Only fancy hipster coffee shops have filter coffee. They're not prudes, they just dont see the point in having to have a completely separate machine for coffee that only gets used once a week just to accommodate a bunch of annoying ass tourists.
I believe I've been misunderstood. Not having drip coffee doesn't make one a prude. Scorning others for their preferred beverage preparation makes one a prude.
That's just how it is in many European countries, particularly more towards the south. For them food is sacred and traditional and you can explore whatever crazy stuff you want as long as you do it over there in private and don't fuck with the classics. In north America this sentiment is much less present though I've seen it a bit with poutine for example where they'll argue about how thick the fries should be and what kind of gravy and etc, but maybe that's the French heritage at work.
If you want to set off a poutine purist you gotta change the cheese. Trad poutine is exclusively made with cheese curds. Lots of places that sell "poutine", however, use shredded cheese of some kind or other. Some people go nuts over it, lol.
I can definitely understand the heritage part. You can't just throw a bunch of stuff in a bowl and claim it's a dish that it is not. Coffee is way more broad and varied than something like cacio e pepe though. I still think it's pretty stuck-up to scorn someone over how they like to drink it. Coffee has been served many different ways in many different places all over the globe. We don't have to shun one another over it.
In Spain we don’t ask for café negro (but reading the comments now I learned that in other spanish speaking countries do), we just ask for coffee (anything else is a modificator) or to remark that we just coffee without anything else we ask for a solo.
But I cannot speak for the whole country, it varies a lot from region to region the names for ordering coffee, maybe in some parts do in fact say café negro.
We call that "an American" coffee in Mexico, as in un café americano or un americano. It used to trip me up because I expected café negro. Odd regionalisms, I guess.
Americano is usually espresso watered down most everywhere, no? I guess I just assume it’s not what Americans generically call “black coffee” which is drip coffee. If I ordered Americano most places outside the US I’d expect the espresso version, not drip.
You're right, that's what it is, but I think it's a misappropriated loanword. If you go to a diner and order un americano you'll get instant coffee with sugar or cream on the side.
TIL. Haven’t been hit with that yet, but good to know. What country(ies) is the instant Americano popular in? Been plenty of places that have plain black coffee in dispensers that I assumed were drip, concentrate, or similar.
A regular coffee is 1 cream and 1 sugar, so the sentence in the first panel is a command. He's even pointing at the guy while he says it. The nasty racist then backtracks when he notices the barrista's cold dead stare and realizes he is large enough to snap him in half.
I'm just joking around, but really the more I think about that first panel, the more it annoys me.
edit: I wasn't seriously considering this a racist comic, but pointing out a widely used label and grammar will make the first panel hilariously ironic to many people.
Interesting, didn't know that it was like that throughout Canada too. None of those options are available to me in the Midwest US. And agree! Definitely think it's funny to point out, I just was giving more context because I (incorrectly) thought it was only "regular" in a small region.
Where are you that still has Tim Hortons? All of the ones in the Twin Cities are no longer in business. I'm slightly disappointed, but based on what I've heard from Canadians if I get to try it I'll probably still be slightly disappointed.
Now go look in that box of Crayola for the one that's gonna trigger the SJWs to fight against a language because some hillbillies used a word as a slur and now live rent-free in everyone's heads.
Customer: “can I get a coffee, black?”
Robinson: “can’t you see I’m talkin, white?”
Zach and Miri make a porno, right? Knew the bit in the comic was familiar
It is indeed
I'll take an African American coffee.
Come on 🤨
El americano es negro.🤨
You've just offended the Jamaican guy who doesn't have US citizenship.
That's okay, he won't be here for much longer come next year.
Literally no Latin or center American will be offended by the word negro
They didn't imply otherwise?
“Black” just works as a better term. It’s hilarious when people refer to black folks from other countries as “African American.”
I don’t think I’ve ever met anyone offended by being called “black.”
If white is not offensive, why would black be offensive? It makes no sense.
"Black" being considered offensive was a thing in the late 90's, but it didn't last.
Yeah I remember an anecdote about two Americans on a beach referring to a black British man as something like "African American British" but it was even so long ago that I've forgot what they said exactly.
(Rebranded to "Nito" a while back)
Back when I was a kid, "bimbo" was another slur for black people.
Just curious: where was that? Since I was a child, "Bimbo" meant a dumb, attractive, woman, and implied promiscuity. I heard it most in (Italian) gangster movies, mostly. From what I can tell, the racial slur meaning is used in Germany.
Funny; I lived in Germany for a couple of years and never heard that version, but then, I didn't hang out with the types that would be inclined to teach it to me. I got standard cuss words and some colloquial Bavarian curses.
I haven't heard it since I left elementary school. I only realized later that there were some really racist kids on that school. Also, it was the 80s. It's shocking to me now that I learnt basically all the racist and antisemitic jokes I know during my time at elementary school.
Yeah, me too. And a vast amount of misogynistic stuff. The latter, I suspect, was just bog-standard puberty and oral lore, most of which was crude. But I still remember many limericks.
Apparently it is a term that began with WW2. It's highly regional and not many people use it
It's a slur for white blonde women in the U.S.
🤷
Yes, particularly those with augmented aesthetics
I never, like, asked for this
I don't think bolt-ons come naturally much often
With big breasts
That's Germany only. That's a very, very small subset of the Hispanic America population
It's weird that a bag of beans tells you it's black coffee. Like, yeah, of course it is, but I can add milk, cream or olive oil to it if I want.
Olive oil?
Nobody's stopping you.
In latin america we say "Mi negro, mi flaco, mi gordo, mi pelado" ("My black, my skinny, my fatty, my baldie") and could not care less. Sometimes even to strangers.
Wow, I was way off. ☹️ I guessed "My flaccid black penis is named Gordo".
Nice
In French gros/mon gros can be a familiar term of endearment, but it mostly doesn't matter how fat the guy really is.
The most american post I've seen so far
Needs more guns
Needs more white upper class guilt sprinkled with subtle racist tones
Wait, what would the problem be with asking for a café solo?
¿Cómo se dice "black" en español?
I think the Spanish word for black is N
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Not next to the word coffee, is how.
It's not taboo in Spanish. It's literally how you say black.
right, but if the dude in the comic gets nervous and has an issue saying black in English
then it would be multiplied if he said it in Spanish
Lol no
Look, there's half a billion of us and I'm not gonna reject the possibility that wherever you're from people say "café negro" for some reason, but yeah, no, it's "café solo" as far as I'm concerned. You might as well call café con leche "café beige".
Nobody outside of Spain calls it like that:
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=%22Cafe%20negro%22,%22Cafe%20solo%22
It's "Café Negro" everywhere else
Hey, you know that it was just a joke, right?
Go to Google Maps and search for the phrase: "Cafe Negro Mexico"
There are several cafes named that and if you search South America there are some there too.
Here's one in Mexico City:
MostThe first majority of Spanish speaking people are Mexican. We ask for café negro. Now, the interesting part is that if you want a café negro in any cafe, and you feel awkward about it, you can ask for a café americano. It's curious how the café negro in this setup is the "American coffee". Then again, we don't think America is America, we understand America as the Americas.Most? Where?
In Mexico, I suppose.
Like, in the world?
We're all on the internet. Why make things up when people (including yourself) can fact check?
Spanish Speakers: Native: 500 million - Total: 600 million
México - population of almost 130 million
Sure I worded this weirdly. As far as nationalities go, there is no other country in the world with more Spanish speaking people, by far. There. But that wasn't even the point. The point was that >100 million Spanish speaking people would ask for "café negro".
EDIT: Merriam Webster accepts "most" as a synonym for "greatest in quantity, extent or degree", which is not necessarily at least half plus one. Then again, I'm not a native English speaker. I edited the original comment to be clear.
My first time in Spain I asked for café negro and was corrected to say con leche. Not in a 'that's racist' kind of way, but in a 'that is inaccurate, even though we understand' way.
"Café negro" (which I've never heard for black coffee) would be "Café solo" or "Café sin leche" (literally, "coffee by itself", or "coffee without milk"). "Café con leche" would be coffee with milk, which definitely is not black coffee.
Ok I remembered wrong. It must have been sin leche that they corrected me with. It was a long time ago and I haven't spoke any Spanish since!
I live in Latin America and order cafe negro al the time. It's not pronounced like negro is in English.
...where's your instrument?
Personally, I’d be like “what the fuck are talking about?”
In Spanish we ask for a café negro or café negrito all the time and guess how many people are offended about it? Zero.
Nobody is offended by it in English, either. This comic is, y'know, a joke.
Believe it or not, I've met two white people, both from the Southern U.S., who would look around and whisper the word "black" when they used it. When talking about black people, but also in other contexts.
I’m guessing you don’t remember a few years back when a YouTuber got upset about a country called “Montenegro”?
Never underestimate the power of Americans to get offended, especially on another’s behalf.
Or ufc fighter John Jones getting offended by skinny negro jeans.
This has nothing to do but Martian man Hunter secret identity is John Jones, and Martian name is J'onn J'onzz LMAO 🤣
I never knew that happened. My god, people have become unhinged with the class guilt
I’m also pretty sure the N word got derived from that general base of “negro = black”.
Because you don't suffer from the White Savior Industrial Complex and its' war on words.
Won't you please think of the poor rich white people who are certain that everybody is weak and offended by everything?
This week in imagined things that don't actually happen.
Literally this
Used to go to a coffee shop where the barista would say, "You want it black, like me?"
did he give you one of these too
This is dumb, like really really dumb. So dumb it's unrecognizable from conservative propaganda about how the libs are too triggered to even order black coffee.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdjEhb-2MFo
...an espresso?
Espresso != A regular black coffee. Espresso is way more concentrated, and is brewed using pressure. Regular black coffee implies the drip method.
Or Perc. Black coffee could mean perc. But that really only happens in places that still think it’s the 50’s.
(No judgement. Those diners are amazing, and better coffee than fartbucks.)
I've never come across a place that uses a perc and doesnt burn their coffee, so honestly I find Starbucks better on that alone
But the shitty espresso I can pull on my mr coffee beats both by miles
But Starbucks coffee is also burned, but more because the beans are roasted too hard (which makes sense if you're going to pour one espresso into a pint of milk, but it sucks if you drink it without milk).
The coffee isn't burned (at least if you order espresso), the beans are, but the beans at the place using the percolator is also using cheap, burnt beans AND burning the coffee with a percolator
Neither is close to ideal coffee, but for me one is far worse
Espresso doesn't refer to the strength of the coffee, only that it's brewed under pressure.
That’s an inherent flaw of the classic US percolators, where the coffee drips back down into the boiling water. It’s near impossible to not burn st least some of the coffee. Even basic filter coffee is usually better.
Are there other types of percolators? I thought the recirculation and constant heating of the reservoir were required features.
The recirculation of the coffee is not strictly necessary. Sure, it wouldn’t be a classic American percolator but there are other coffee makers that work by very similar principles but without burning your coffee (like drip brew filter coffee machines or my favorite, moka pots). Percolated in general just means "filtered" or "strained".
I think cowboy coffee can also be referred to as just black. But nobody in their right minds drinks that anymore.
Campers sometimes,
My in-law makes cowboy coffee in a great big kettle on the stove when all the kids arrive for the holidays and it's actually some of the best coffee I've ever had. What trips me out is that he drinks crappy pod coffee the rest of the year.
I guess I'm not in my right mind then. At home cowboy coffee only, I don't even have a French press or a v60. Although in my country we call it tramp coffee.
Neat! I've always heard it's super gross. But I guess anything can be done well, and the gross stuff was probably due to lack of care.
for the rest of the world normal is espresso and the thing with drip or wtv doesn't even exist.
Nah, it’s not just murica. Here in Germany for example, if you order a cup of coffee you usually get filter coffee. If you want espresso, you have to order espresso.
in france "un café" is an espresso.
if i was served a "filter coffee" somewhere, i would never go back there. Who serves filter coffee ffs!
Its also not true in the US. At least not anywhere I've lived or traveled to.
That's not true in most of northern, central or eastern europe, and arab coffee drinkers traditionally use neither.
In your area, that may be true. Around here, and by experience in a good chunk of southern Europe, asking for a coffee will get you an espresso 100% of the time.
Asking for drip coffee will probably get you scorned and sent off, or if they're nice they may offer to make you instant coffee if they have it.
Scorned? Lol, what a bunch of prudes. Some people just can't let others enjoy things. Espresso used to be considered hoity toity here in Canada, but that was years ago. It's pretty normalized now.
I was under the impression that even if it was the norm, espressos were always referred to as espressos. Neat. I know a good chunk of the world also heavily uses French presses in their coffee making, but the end result is functionally similar to drip coffee.
Edit: I believe I've been misunderstood. Not having drip coffee doesn't make one a prude. Scorning others for their preferred beverage preparation makes one a prude.
Not sure I'd call them prudes, it's just that anywhere that serves coffee - every coffee shop, restaurant, bakery, pub, etc - has a grinder and a "professional" (multiple taps) espresso machine, it's just "standard" - I don't think I've seen a coffee pot other than in niche American-styled dinners, or hotels for tourists. Asking for an Americano is a thing though, but what you get is an espresso in a mug. The "drip" variety usually tastes either very bland or quite burnt, and doesn't punch the same way, so the common view is that it's "watered down" coffee and not well regarded.
I believe I've been misunderstood. Not having drip coffee doesn't make one a prude. Scorning others for their preferred beverage preparation makes one a prude.
Not sure about mainland Europe, but in the UK at least, lots of places offer filter coffee and/or V60 in addition to the standard espresso
In southern Europe, almost everywhere has an espresso machine. Only fancy hipster coffee shops have filter coffee. They're not prudes, they just dont see the point in having to have a completely separate machine for coffee that only gets used once a week just to accommodate a bunch of annoying ass tourists.
I believe I've been misunderstood. Not having drip coffee doesn't make one a prude. Scorning others for their preferred beverage preparation makes one a prude.
That's just how it is in many European countries, particularly more towards the south. For them food is sacred and traditional and you can explore whatever crazy stuff you want as long as you do it over there in private and don't fuck with the classics. In north America this sentiment is much less present though I've seen it a bit with poutine for example where they'll argue about how thick the fries should be and what kind of gravy and etc, but maybe that's the French heritage at work.
If you want to set off a poutine purist you gotta change the cheese. Trad poutine is exclusively made with cheese curds. Lots of places that sell "poutine", however, use shredded cheese of some kind or other. Some people go nuts over it, lol.
I can definitely understand the heritage part. You can't just throw a bunch of stuff in a bowl and claim it's a dish that it is not. Coffee is way more broad and varied than something like cacio e pepe though. I still think it's pretty stuck-up to scorn someone over how they like to drink it. Coffee has been served many different ways in many different places all over the globe. We don't have to shun one another over it.
should've gotten tea
White, please.
Negro, please
skinny flat white, like my women
So what does BLM stand for again?
Bacon, Lettuce, Momato?
Bacon, Lettuce, Mayo
Buddy Likes Mochas
Bureau of Land Management
Bartin Luther Ming
It's bartin time
Booty loving men
Beans, lightly macerated
"Never mind, I'll just have a white
guilttea."In Spain we don’t ask for café negro (but reading the comments now I learned that in other spanish speaking countries do), we just ask for coffee (anything else is a modificator) or to remark that we just coffee without anything else we ask for a solo.
But I cannot speak for the whole country, it varies a lot from region to region the names for ordering coffee, maybe in some parts do in fact say café negro.
Pretty much just “coffee” or the specific name for the type…I’ve never even thought to order it “black”. Just con leche, cafecito, etc.
We call that "an American" coffee in Mexico, as in un café americano or un americano. It used to trip me up because I expected café negro. Odd regionalisms, I guess.
Americano is usually espresso watered down most everywhere, no? I guess I just assume it’s not what Americans generically call “black coffee” which is drip coffee. If I ordered Americano most places outside the US I’d expect the espresso version, not drip.
You're right, that's what it is, but I think it's a misappropriated loanword. If you go to a diner and order un americano you'll get instant coffee with sugar or cream on the side.
TIL. Haven’t been hit with that yet, but good to know. What country(ies) is the instant Americano popular in? Been plenty of places that have plain black coffee in dispensers that I assumed were drip, concentrate, or similar.
How is saying black bad?
A regular coffee is 1 cream and 1 sugar, so the sentence in the first panel is a command. He's even pointing at the guy while he says it. The nasty racist then backtracks when he notices the barrista's cold dead stare and realizes he is large enough to snap him in half.
I'm just joking around, but really the more I think about that first panel, the more it annoys me.
edit: I wasn't seriously considering this a racist comic, but pointing out a widely used label and grammar will make the first panel hilariously ironic to many people.
"Regular" being the size.
The term regular size coffee implies the existence of irregular size coffee
"Large" and "Small" being considered "irregular" sizes of coffee.
I was going for weird numbers, π/2 sizes but yeah
I think that's regional, maybe to east coast US (or just NYC)? Anywhere else I've been in the US "regular coffee" referred to black coffee.
I'm in Western Canada. As an example, Tim Horton's calls a regular coffee 1 cream and 1 sugar nationally.
But, I was only pointing this out because it's funny considering the point the comic is trying to make.
Interesting, didn't know that it was like that throughout Canada too. None of those options are available to me in the Midwest US. And agree! Definitely think it's funny to point out, I just was giving more context because I (incorrectly) thought it was only "regular" in a small region.
Where are you that still has Tim Hortons? All of the ones in the Twin Cities are no longer in business. I'm slightly disappointed, but based on what I've heard from Canadians if I get to try it I'll probably still be slightly disappointed.
There are still quite a few around Ohio. I haven't been in years though, because yea, it's disappointing now.
Now go look in that box of Crayola for the one that's gonna trigger the SJWs to fight against a language because some hillbillies used a word as a slur and now live rent-free in everyone's heads.
I appreciate your takes on these things. It always gives me a huge boost of self confidence.
Wait what