guys no cop is going to fuck with you for a t-shirt like this. Ive hung out in the punk scene for decades and people wear clothing with very, very explicit anarchist and anti cop etc language and no cops are stopping people for fuckin t-shirts.
In the US specifically, there is an association with lynching. Lynching was the preferred method of white towns for dealing with any black person they felt stepped out of line or committed a crime from about 1865-1965. This article provides a good run down.
A lot were hung from the neck to their death, many (maybe most?) victims of lynchings were only "strung up" for display after they were already slowly tortured to death, such as cutting off the victims' fingers and ears, genitals, stabbing them with corkscrews to pull out twitching entrails and chunks of muscle, beaten nearly to death, and thrown on a fire, still writhing, or all of the above, such Luther Holbert in 1904. I don't think I've seen photos of one lynching were the bodies weren't bloodied and battered, if not utterly mutilated.
The association of nooses, of gallows executions, with lynching understates the inhumanity and depravity of it. The public display of such senseless brutality, based solely on race, was the point: it was to keep everyone, white and black, in line, as you put it. White kids took home fingers and teeth as souvenirs; it seems to me that it usually had nothing to do with whatever pretext. The pretexts used to justify the lynchings, such as one US Army private who refused to empty his pockets before shopping, or one free man who addressed a sheriff by the name on his shirt without saying Mister first, are things that were not crimes.
The reasons didn't actually matter to the perpetrators, victims didn't actually have to commit a crime to be singled and murdered. Even when there was a criminal charge, it was usually bogus and the trial was always a sham. I'm not trying to pick on you Maggoty but I like you so I want you to appreciate what you're saying.
You don't like me, I'm Pro Palestinian. You're also talking to someone that grew up in a border state reading all the history books the state told us not to read because they're "embarrassing." I'm keeping it simple for the foreigners. And hanging them, even if it was just the body made the noose an effective icon. So much so the the KKK took to leaving a noose in a nearby tree as a warning, and they still do it. Anyone who wants to be super literal can go look at Emmett Till's face.
That weird shadow looks nothing like a noose to me other than like a vague shape of a straight line meeting a closed shape that isn't really that round or noose-like.
That's extremely vague and wouldn't fit with the rest of the art; everything else looks like what it is, cars, people, so it the shadow was suppose to depict a noose, why doesn't it look like one?
I think it's meant to mean that the CEO looks like just a guy there, but from the shadows he is really actively threatening the life of the guy shooting at him.
Despite initial reporting that the words were "deny," "defend," and "depose," police clarified the following day that it was "delay" and not "defend" written on one of the casings.
I think it just means that there is a missing bullet (maybe never fired).
Obviously a reference to Delay, Deny, Defend, a common practice of insurance companies to maximize profit. The excerise is left to the reader to decide what "Depose" means.
Could be a major clue, perhaps this is someone who sued the company and they deposed him, which can be stressful/intimidating for the inexperienced.
Or this was someone trying to make it seem like it was motivated by claim denial, but botched the phrase.
Or the police might be misreporting this to catch false confessors.
Or pretty much anything else.
I get the feeling that it was very intentional that depose was written in the casing of the cartridge that was fired.
Depose can mean to "remove from office suddenly and forcefully" like when a government is over thrown, the leader is deposed.
In this context, the CEO was deposed by no longer being able to fulfill his role as CEO due to a severe and acute case of death.
The fact that "delay, deny, depose" is the general policy for insurance companies is the motivation for using that specific term over others. "Delay, deny and depose me? I'll depose you." Kind of thing.
I think it makes a very loud and very clear message.
"Three fired cartridge cases alongside three unfired cartridges were found at the scene. The words "delay", "deny", and "depose" were written on the cases. "Depose" was inscribed on a casing from a round fired into Thompson, while "delay" was marked on an unfired cartridge ejected as the shooter racked the pistol, possibly to clear a jam or intentionally discard the live round."
Coming out of left field, if you can't put your money where your mouth is then maybe don't say anything at all. Or say as much as you can, I don't mean that at all. I just can't think about anything else to say today but I still have to do my personal daily protest comment against Reddit. See that Reddit, I won't stop making shit posts, I'm just making sure you don't get them.
As a non-USian I’m intrigued about your police brutality comment… do they all have job health insurance that pays out every time or is it possible that some of them (or family members) have been shafted by insurance? Forgive my ignorance, but I am foreign.
Its free speach the government cant leggaly do shit about it. Well unless they claim its encouraging violence but u would need a court to answer that question.
And this is such a bullshit misnomer. Encouraging violence is covered by the first amendment. Direct threats are not. The government has overstepped and that’s why I want legislators to suffer the same fate as CEOs
I believe the original reporting incorrectly stated it was defend. The saying is "delay, deny, depose" which is standard operating procedure for insurance companies in the US.
It is, but since it leads directly to the legs of the CEO who has no shadow, it looks like it's supposed to resemble something rather than being a simple shadow. It's just not drawn very well.
I was just talking about this earlier, that someone would make merchandise of this event! Absolutely not surprised given the number of people who have been cheering this whole thing on.
It’s clear these words were intended for just this. An inciting, revolutionary logo to be printed and repeated.
Even Live. Laugh. Love. took off everywhere and that was a ridiculously cringy eyeroll piece of decor, bumper sticker, and tattoo. But it was catchy.
This guy is playing off of several “catchy” factors well beyond writing it on his brass. He means it to be emblazoned on everything.
So no, I’m not surprised someone broke out their Cricut and made this. He may have even made his own, given the intentionality here. There’s probably spray paint out there on walls already too.
It’s like he authored a book or video game scene and then carried out the role of the main themselves. I’d be surprised if this guy wasn’t heavy into screens and books escapism, and writing.
What the fuck is up with that grip? It looks like he's delicately holding the bottom half of the pistol grip with his fingertips.
Edit, just to be clear: I thought his grip looked fine in the video. This artist's rendition just looks weird. I might actually buy this if they made him look like a competent shooter.
That shirt does indeed, go hard.
You’ll get arrested for wearing this in public but not denying health insurance claim to 900.000 people
This is too victim complex-y. You can wear tee shirts supporting violence, nobody is going to arrest you.
Hey, Nazis even get protection.
FTFY
By "arrested" they actually mean, "have the shit beat out of you by cops"
guys no cop is going to fuck with you for a t-shirt like this. Ive hung out in the punk scene for decades and people wear clothing with very, very explicit anarchist and anti cop etc language and no cops are stopping people for fuckin t-shirts.
Yeah. The cops that fuck with you were gonna fuck with you anyway
People eat horse meat, I'm sure donkey tastes just fine.
If you can prove in a court of law that you eat ass, you should be protected under the first amendment.
Lol you can lie on a fucking bumper sticker, lying is generally not illegal, itself (it would have to be a component of fraud or other real crimes).
Can you be autistic on a bumper sticker?
Sure. But interestingly, in many jurisdictions, you can't be an ableist prick on a bumper sticker.
You can buy these in the hospital gift shop, I’m sure.
The shirts are only $3949.99 it’s so affordable you can buy six for the price of one ER visit.
Plus 25% after that for the tariffs on all materials
You wot m8, we've been hanging people for millennia
In the US specifically, there is an association with lynching. Lynching was the preferred method of white towns for dealing with any black person they felt stepped out of line or committed a crime from about 1865-1965. This article provides a good run down.
A lot were hung from the neck to their death, many (maybe most?) victims of lynchings were only "strung up" for display after they were already slowly tortured to death, such as cutting off the victims' fingers and ears, genitals, stabbing them with corkscrews to pull out twitching entrails and chunks of muscle, beaten nearly to death, and thrown on a fire, still writhing, or all of the above, such Luther Holbert in 1904. I don't think I've seen photos of one lynching were the bodies weren't bloodied and battered, if not utterly mutilated.
The association of nooses, of gallows executions, with lynching understates the inhumanity and depravity of it. The public display of such senseless brutality, based solely on race, was the point: it was to keep everyone, white and black, in line, as you put it. White kids took home fingers and teeth as souvenirs; it seems to me that it usually had nothing to do with whatever pretext. The pretexts used to justify the lynchings, such as one US Army private who refused to empty his pockets before shopping, or one free man who addressed a sheriff by the name on his shirt without saying Mister first, are things that were not crimes.
The reasons didn't actually matter to the perpetrators, victims didn't actually have to commit a crime to be singled and murdered. Even when there was a criminal charge, it was usually bogus and the trial was always a sham. I'm not trying to pick on you Maggoty but I like you so I want you to appreciate what you're saying.
https://eji.org/wp-content/uploads/2005/11/lynching-in-america-3d-ed-110121.pdf
You don't like me, I'm Pro Palestinian. You're also talking to someone that grew up in a border state reading all the history books the state told us not to read because they're "embarrassing." I'm keeping it simple for the foreigners. And hanging them, even if it was just the body made the noose an effective icon. So much so the the KKK took to leaving a noose in a nearby tree as a warning, and they still do it. Anyone who wants to be super literal can go look at Emmett Till's face.
Nah I can disagree and still like you. You're smart and kind, I can tell.
I'll remember that the next time we meet over Israel.
Yeah, pirates come to mind when I think about the noose.
I kinda feel like what they're going for is a "shoot the rope" thing with that shadow.
Agreed. It reads as the "shooter" killing a mass murderer whose noose/shadow kills all those it touches.
Associated with black people... and centuries of executions prior that had nothing to do with color.
A noose over a tree I could see being more racial - kkk killings etc - but hanging is more of a "common persons execution" historically
The shadow of the noose is cast by the rich asshole, not over him... makes sense to me
There were quite a few pro British folks who were hanged by revolutionaries, also scalped but lets ignore the Minutemen.
It is a normal shadow for this scene. The light source is a street light directly above the shooter.
Yeah, it's not associated with black people outside the US. It's how serfs or common criminals are dealt with historically.
Class warfare is worldwide
Is this shirt intended for an audience outside of the US?
Didn’t know Saddam was black
He’s normally a type of reddish/orange when I see him lying down in all those memes.
That weird shadow looks nothing like a noose to me other than like a vague shape of a straight line meeting a closed shape that isn't really that round or noose-like.
That's extremely vague and wouldn't fit with the rest of the art; everything else looks like what it is, cars, people, so it the shadow was suppose to depict a noose, why doesn't it look like one?
It looks like a guitar to me
I think it's meant to mean that the CEO looks like just a guy there, but from the shadows he is really actively threatening the life of the guy shooting at him.
The grip of oppression is tight as a noose, but when they kick out the chair, heads will hang.
I just figured it was a reference to the CEO being a murderer.
Either that, or the knot are his massive balls
probably
I think it's meant to be a top-down shadow of his arms + gun, but just ends up looking like a noose
Genuinely might get this on hoodie
Only $19.95 at your friendly Walmart!
I think it just means that there is a missing bullet (maybe never fired).
Obviously a reference to Delay, Deny, Defend, a common practice of insurance companies to maximize profit. The excerise is left to the reader to decide what "Depose" means.
Could be a major clue, perhaps this is someone who sued the company and they deposed him, which can be stressful/intimidating for the inexperienced.
Or this was someone trying to make it seem like it was motivated by claim denial, but botched the phrase.
Or the police might be misreporting this to catch false confessors.
Or pretty much anything else.
I get the feeling that it was very intentional that depose was written in the casing of the cartridge that was fired.
Depose can mean to "remove from office suddenly and forcefully" like when a government is over thrown, the leader is deposed.
In this context, the CEO was deposed by no longer being able to fulfill his role as CEO due to a severe and acute case of death.
The fact that "delay, deny, depose" is the general policy for insurance companies is the motivation for using that specific term over others. "Delay, deny and depose me? I'll depose you." Kind of thing.
I think it makes a very loud and very clear message.
"Three fired cartridge cases alongside three unfired cartridges were found at the scene. The words "delay", "deny", and "depose" were written on the cases. "Depose" was inscribed on a casing from a round fired into Thompson, while "delay" was marked on an unfired cartridge ejected as the shooter racked the pistol, possibly to clear a jam or intentionally discard the live round."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Brian_Thompson
Where buy?
https://www.punkwithacamera.com/ is a small screen printer selling them.
I like this one too https://www.punkwithacamera.com/products/you-dont-need-to-be-a-wizard-to-cast-a-fireball-diablo-macabre
Damn I just went on a shopping spree
Just in case anyone is wondering, I actually bought 70 bucks worth of merch and it hasn't even shipped...not sure if I'll get anything.
Corpo gig means I can't wear most of the shit there but I'm glad someone supports them. They're a cool shop
I've never hit buy so fast in my life!
I may not have the guts to wear this, but I would absolutely buy it and have it framed in the entrance to my house or somewhere visible.
Prove it.
Not American, so I'm assuming this would be an expensive product for me. Especially considering I might have to import it as well.
Thus, I likely can't afford to prove it.
wouldn't actually do it
🙄
Coming out of left field, if you can't put your money where your mouth is then maybe don't say anything at all. Or say as much as you can, I don't mean that at all. I just can't think about anything else to say today but I still have to do my personal daily protest comment against Reddit. See that Reddit, I won't stop making shit posts, I'm just making sure you don't get them.
You don't have to do anything to 'prove it'
I see you, even if Reddit doesn't. Keep up the good work.
Yeah. People can just say "I love the idea of this but i wouldnt actually do it. Lol".
It's all about the internet clout though.
It was today top question on r/legal. Is it legal to wear it? It is but YK
I’m British, there’s a decent chance some bootlicker might slap me, but I could wear this all day.
In the South of the US if you try to slap someone for wearing this shirt you’re gonna get shot
lol. I’m just speaking for myself…
As a non-USian I’m intrigued about your police brutality comment… do they all have job health insurance that pays out every time or is it possible that some of them (or family members) have been shafted by insurance? Forgive my ignorance, but I am foreign.
Most of them have job provided healthcare, and any injury from work is covered
But the kinds of people who become cops are small dick assholes who want any excuse to flex their false sense of authority
Its free speach the government cant leggaly do shit about it. Well unless they claim its encouraging violence but u would need a court to answer that question.
Only the rich, who do not rely on stable employment for food and shelter, have true freedom of speech.
And this is such a bullshit misnomer. Encouraging violence is covered by the first amendment. Direct threats are not. The government has overstepped and that’s why I want legislators to suffer the same fate as CEOs
Really didnt know that. Ive been institutionalised by the aussie nanny state and have forgotten what real freedom is.
Wasn't "delay" instead of "defend"? Been finding both versions all the time.
I believe the original reporting incorrectly stated it was defend. The saying is "delay, deny, depose" which is standard operating procedure for insurance companies in the US.
In this case, the CEO was deposed.
Delay, Deny, Defend
I stand corrected. Thank you.
The shadow looks like it's supposed to resemble something, but I guess it's just oddly drawn.
Isn't it a noose?
Hmm, maybe, although the rope is unusually thick at the bottom.
I think the shadow is from a streetlight just behind and above the shooter.
The fact that the CEO doesn't have one makes it look particularly odd.
That's because you can only have a shadow if you have a soul.
It is, but since it leads directly to the legs of the CEO who has no shadow, it looks like it's supposed to resemble something rather than being a simple shadow. It's just not drawn very well.
You could just buy it and send it random big companies....
Or wear it to your claim rejection review meeting maybe?
Ding ding ding, we have a winner!
Looks like a KMFDM album cover.
I'd buy the album just based on this being the cover.
I also enjoy kmfdm in general....
I feel like Lemmy would appreciate this one
More life Operation Ivy I think .
I was just talking about this earlier, that someone would make merchandise of this event! Absolutely not surprised given the number of people who have been cheering this whole thing on.
It’s clear these words were intended for just this. An inciting, revolutionary logo to be printed and repeated.
Even Live. Laugh. Love. took off everywhere and that was a ridiculously cringy eyeroll piece of decor, bumper sticker, and tattoo. But it was catchy.
This guy is playing off of several “catchy” factors well beyond writing it on his brass. He means it to be emblazoned on everything.
So no, I’m not surprised someone broke out their Cricut and made this. He may have even made his own, given the intentionality here. There’s probably spray paint out there on walls already too.
It’s like he authored a book or video game scene and then carried out the role of the main themselves. I’d be surprised if this guy wasn’t heavy into screens and books escapism, and writing.
Unrelated note, does anyone have access to a copy of UHC Sans and UHC serif font files? The only place i can find them is corporat-only
Made one that matches very closely if anyone is interested
What the fuck is up with that grip? It looks like he's delicately holding the bottom half of the pistol grip with his fingertips.
Edit, just to be clear: I thought his grip looked fine in the video. This artist's rendition just looks weird. I might actually buy this if they made him look like a competent shooter.
What makes you think cops are competent?
Cops?
Anyone have a link to the proper video that isn't cut short by a news agency?
Honestly surprisingly hard to find even though I saw the uncut video day after without too much work.
Here's a link I found but the website is called deepgoretube Lmao so maybe don't browse much more than that video unless you have a gore thing
And this copy of the video is from someone recording a screen with a camera so not the best, I don't care enough to find a better version though
Fuckyeah, thanks broski!
i need the link NOW.
Is this generated? So many things just look...weird
Extremely tasteless
You are supposed to wear it, not eat it. Dummy.
You weren't supposed to lick it.
Don't say this to a geologist
It might be bad taste, but it’s certainly not senseless… It has a scratch-and-sniff feature that smells of cordite.
Bad bait
I'll take five.
In the absence of justice, people will settle for vengeance. We are well past morality determining outcomes.
I know, nice to see that someone did something in response to the tasteless denial of healthcare for a change.