Donald Trump announces plan to change elections
Summary
Donald Trump announced plans to reform U.S. elections, including mandating paper ballots, same-day voting, voter ID, and proof of citizenship, while eliminating mail-in voting.
Trump criticized California’s ban on requiring voter ID, calling for a nationwide overhaul. Though mail-in and early voting surged during the pandemic, Trump has long opposed these methods, claiming fraud, despite evidence showing fraud rates are extremely low.
Critics argue his proposals could disproportionately affect rural, disabled, and nonwhite voters, potentially disenfranchising key Democratic-leaning groups.
The reforms would mark significant shifts in U.S. election policies.
https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-plans-change-election-process-rules-checks-1996517Open linkView original on lemmy.world376
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This is why he wants to do that.
Thanks for putting that plain text from the top of the post into a jpeg down in the comments.
Not sure if you're being sarcastic, but I couldn't copy the plain text on jerboa, so I had to screen shot.
On Jerboa: Tap the three vertical dots menu in the original post, Copy > Copy post text.
Thank you!
When he declared Nov would be the last election, and winning it meant they wouldn't have to worry about elections again, he meant it!
He's doing exactly what he said he would do.
Yup. When a fascist tells you they are a fascist, believe them.
Yeah, but something something genocide, so voting is bad actually
Shaming people for having deep moral quandries about voting for a candidate who is actively and directly facilitating genocide is pathetic and pointless and makes you look like a parody of yourself.
Shaming people, who pretend to have moral quandaries but then immediately acting to worsen everything they pretend to care about, however, is the only objectively correct behaviour.
When rural voters overwhelmingly voted for you, making it harder for them to vote seems like a great way to shoot yourself in the foot.
they can also add rules to restrict the number of polling places, resulting in disproportionately long lines in cities where democrats live
Aren't rural people more republican leaning?
Often times yes, but they are in gerrymandered districts with adequate polling locations, plus they love to go out and vote for "their guy"
In some places only slightly. Like 55/45. So it would still affect Democrats.
Edit: I mention this because a lot of folks tend to assume rural areas are almost exclusively Republican and that's very far from the truth even in super red states.
This is it folks. If he is able to transform our election system with his own two hands, we've had our last fair election, I guarantee it. Fraud will be baked in, circumventing any design elements that are ostensibly there to guard against it.
This is the scariest thing I've read since the election.
I'm expecting a third term now with 110% of the vote. NK style.
Like that scene at the end of The Dictator, when he finally holds election.
There are two vote boxes and all the citizens are queuing in front of the box that will vote for his opposition. A tank drives up next to that queue, and everyone leaves the opposition queue, rushing over to join the queue to vote for the dictator.
They weren't quiet about this being the last fair election we would have. I'm also not convinced it was actually a fair election.
But whatever...too late to bitch about the fascists now.
Goodbye democracy. We barely knew thee ...
Yeah, clearly opening the door to discuss further changes to the election process. It's dying, and he doesn't want more people voting, he wants less, if at all
Real "stop testing" energy here.
"If we just stop voting, we'd have very few votes against me"
But.. it's the states that run elections, not the federal government. This doesn't make any sense.
Don’t worry, I’m sure all the small government conservatives will stop this!
scotus would have to literally rewrite the constitution for the feds to have that much control over states' elections.
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I've forgotten what ratio of the house and Senate need to approve amendments. I'm sure they haven't tho, and will pack them both with the number they need.
2/3 then 3/4 of states must ratify
Yeah that's only when it's Democrats trying to change things.
And you'll have to wait 10 hours to vote on a workday because they've limited voting locations to one every million people - like they already do in Georgia.
lmao, democracy tm
"mandating paper ballots... while eliminating mail-in voting."
Does he not know mail in ballots are paper ballots? 🤔
The point is to eliminate voting options, the "justifications" are made up. Anything that moves closer to "not being able to vote" is the goal.
Paper ballots are also easier to falsify, with all the videos of box stuffing in corrupt countries.
That said, Canada uses paper ballots and hand counting, and I'm not aware of any accusations of election fraud related to that ever happening.
We also have a non-partisan federal elections agency. With individual US states in charge of running their own federal elections, there's more room for Republican state-level government to cheat on the federal election
This should come with a national day off for voting, and mandatory voting requirement.
and voting location mandates per capita.
Party that loves the troops want to eliminate way the troops vote.
fuck that, mail in voting has done so much good and it's a prime step in stopping all this. if we had national mail in voting things would get better fast so no wonder they don't want it.
what would this mean for states that already do this
I think we all know what the party of small government and states rights thinks of states doing things they don’t agree with.
A big part of why he lost in
20162020 was greatly expanded mail in voting. No surprise he wants to ban it....Yes. Whoops! Edited.
'Bbbut gaza...' great job guys.
This motherfucker better be in a Popemobile 24/7. I got a bad feeling about this guy's future existence.
Even one of his own tried to kill him
Weren't they both registered Republicans?
Both? What did I miss?
I only know about the one who shot his ear this summer
There was a guy who hid in the bushes of a golf course for like half a day. He didn't get any shots off, but was pretty close to before someone spotted the barrel poking out of the bush.
They were.
Yeah but then we get Incel-In-Chief JD Vance as president which is honestly MUCH scarier.
Just means they're next in line.
Something something constitution
https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/artI-S4-C1-2/ALDE_00013577/
What was that about States rights?
Oh, yeah, they only matter when they do what you want.
Oregon has entirely mail-in voting, since the 1990s. Good luck getting us to give it up.
And that's going to go really well.
Yeah, but primaries aren't controlled by the states.
Which is why waaay back in 2024, the DNC and Biden were able to take all of NH primary delegates away...
That's not voting, though. That's what the party decides.
But, yeah, the DNC highjacked the ability of people to choose the nominee for their party. Again.
And (totally as a hypothetical) if pro corporate interests decided to interfere with primaries by donati g insane amount of money to pro-corporate candidates to ensure corps always win regardless of what letter is by the President's name.....
Would you describe that as the illusion of choice when after decades those peo corporate interests controlled the parties and then (totally legally) directly influence the primary and ensure the corpo candidates always "wins"?
And I'm not trying to be a dick here, but unless we fix primaries, we'll never really "win" in the general, even when the Democratic candidate wins.
Your point is completely legit.
Everything we believe about choice is an illusion. Propaganda. The dream is fiction.
The public believe only 2 options exist. Because, no viable other options exist. At the moment. Any third party is either a spoiler by design, or so limited in scope as to be useless to most.
Maybe now is the time to start another. A serious effort to form a citizen controlled, truly democratic, accountable, party. With its own primaries and rules. For the people.
Not next election cycle.
The DNC and RNC are irredeemably rotten because of the very concerns you've mentioned.
Can't repair rotted wood. You can cut out the decay and try to patch it up but you're left with an unstable structure.
You need to replace it.
The difficulty is when the money realizes it could interfere and run propaganda to de-legitimize.
Honest people who can own their faults, who are not afraid of their skeletons, who cannot be blackmailed, are needed.
An impossible task to be sure.
But, a lot of things have been impossible.
If qanon and the tea party can take over a party in a few years...
Does anything other than tradition prevent a candidate from running in the primaries of both the R and D conventions? Could the same person end up as the candidate for both parties?
2028 might provide an answer the way things are going...
I don't know the answer but I would assume party rules would prevent that somehow.
But, if someone ran for and won the R nomination and the D didn't do a primary to officially nominate anyone, and that person crossed the aisle... I have no idea what would happen. Maybe it is possible.
Still following putin I see. Wait until he tries to change Presidential term limits.
Wouldn’t he basically need a constitutional amendment to do this. Which would be almost impossible these days.
Hard to say. voting is up to states for methodology but like we did have restrictions on state due to discrimation till recently that would not allow them to change their rules or purge voters like they do again nowadays.
The VRA was an extension of the fourteenth amendment. And the federal government never said the racist states had to do X. They said the states had to submit changes to the federal government to make sure they weren't racist and thus unconstitutional.
Trump's stuff doesn't have any of that grounding.
Well if all the red and swing states do it, they will still win.
Yup. He can try for a reverse VRA but it's going to be a pretty big fight if he does.
how hard can it be when you hold the Senate, Congress, and the supreme court?
Too bad for him the constitution clearly states "the states shall decide" - which is why we have the hodgepodge patchwork bullshit we have now. So he may want to change it, but unless he actually does light the Constitution on fire, this is unlikely to go anywhere.
omm... the Republicans have the supreme court and are in the process of lighting the constitution on fire as we speak?
The constitution doesn't protect the people from the government. The constitution protects a government from the people.
When the government lights the constitution on fire, "We The People" are no longer restrained by its restrictions. We are free to establish a new constitution, with blackjack and hookers, and burn down the government established by the old, flaming constitution.
There goes his voters.
If he really wants to standardize voting at the national level, I think this might actually backfire on the GOP in the long run. Mail-in voting and early voting is extremely popular across the political spectrum, while lazy ignorant old people, the life blood of the GOP for over fifty years, often don't carry ID or even know where theirs is.
Shutting down polling stations in democratic areas has been part of the disenfranchisement strategy to-date. I’m sure this policy is one step of a few to try and permanently take power…
'"f I win, you'll never have to vote again!"
-shitler
Ignorant, yes, by definition. But voter turnout among registered Republicans has historically been pretty high - often higher than Democrats. There's a few breakdowns of this but I found this older analysis quite interesting: https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2023/07/12/voter-turnout-2018-2022/
And there's evidence that higher turnout benefited Republicans this year: https://apnews.com/article/election-2024-voter-turnout-republicans-trump-harris-7ef18c115c8e1e76210820e0146bc3a5
But... I thought he said we wouldn't have to vote ever again?
He also said we'd never hear from him again if he lost in 2020.
It's because you'll be standing in line waiting to vote instead.
Anyone else get those Republican mailers that said to be sure to get your mail-in ballot early? (I mean, like, a bunch of them.)
It's hilarious to me that people in "non political" spaces like sportsball are now doing the donvict jerkoff dance.
Jesus fuck. If this asshole gets rid of mail-in voting in Colorado...our voting system here is FANTASTIC.
The qons ruin every thing. They plan on making everyone miserable and breaking everything.
I am forced to file taxes every year and being a US citizen fucks my ability to invest in the retirement plans here because they all end up being PFICs which the IRS heavily penalizes. Fuck you, you're not taking my rights away. Forcing me to travel to not only the US, but to the state where I'm registered is not OK as that is thousands of dollars and days to accomplish.
Maybe it's just me, but it feels like a bad idea to do something that disenfranchises people at the moment.
No, no, by all means push more people to their breaking point. They've long done the "fuck around" part and I would love to be around to witness the "and find out" part.
Yeah it’s pretty funny cause these ghouls know only how to do one thing.
I feel like the next four years will have the energy of:
“The austerity will continue until moral and ceo shootings improve”.
Good luck with that.
Except that some people walk around with a security detail that everyone else paid for.
Eliminate the Electoral College. None of this other crap.
Paper ballots are good
Who doesn't have paper ballots? The states that use a touch screen (e.g. Dominion) still has paper ballots. You just make your choices on the screen and print the ballot. You check that everything is accurate and insert the paper ballot in the counting machine.
Most local polling places around me have touch screens you put a small card into, but you never see a paper ballot, I’ve honestly never seen a paper ballot for presidential elections in person other than mail ins
We have the same screens with a card. Here you print out the paper ballot and put it in the counter. Never seen them without a paper ballot.
We just hand it to a poll worker and they do whatever they do with it
Ok, well, just change it to whatever we have here then. It's not a big deal and not everything is a conspiracy.
In elections where there needs to be a single winner so proportional representation does not work, how about this (already works in several EU countries):
Round 1: Anyone can participate if they have enough signatures. If anyone gets the majority vote, they automatically win and there is no round 2.
Round 2, 1 or 2 weeks later: Top 2 candidates from Round 1. No votes are carried over. Popular vote wins.
RCV doesn't need 2 rounds for this. Neither does approval voting.
This is not a problem with voting that needs new ideas to address.
Lmao good luck with that constitutional amendment, Donnie.
This half-baked nonsense is dead at conception because once again Republicans prove they don't understand government.
It's a shame that, despite not understanding government, they're about to have unfettered control of it.
The saving grace is that our federal government relies HEAVILY on state workers and agencies.
A lot of states can simply say no, or "yeah, we'll get around to it."
So tell me why Dems are playing the same game like one hand tied behind their back? Why don't they do the same shit when they're in power?
Well the election laws primarily come from the election clause of the constitution. So that couldn't be changed without an amendment requiring a super majority, which neither party will get. What I assume he is trying to do though, is while having state leaders being majority Republican, have the states update their election laws, because that's who controls the elections. (Unless the supreme Court blocks it, as we saw with Colorado). Also held by the Republicans.
I assume his attempts are to lock all the states currently red, red. Is it possible, doubtful. As states also may require super majoritys to update their election processes, but that may vary drastically by state. Shit one state was discussing getting rid of popular vote all together and just allowing their representatives to vote leading up to the election.
The country we knew as the U.S. is broken. Only threads to hold it together now
Conservatives didn't start it now, it's a long game they're playing for decades, it just became obvious now when it's in final stage.
Their goal always was to break checks and balances for them but only for them, and they are able to because they broke enough already. Id Dems will try to do a fraction of what Cons are doing, they will be politically and judicially murdered, partially because of that, and partially because breaking shit is easy and fixing it requires abiding by the letter of law, and that's hard when the law was deliberately destroyed
Because they don't want to. The corporate Democrats work for their sponsors, not the people. The few genuine progressives are kept around mainly for show.
It's partly because Democrats often tend towards being honest and good people that actually care about good governance.
The qons don't and they can just hold things hostage - they basically grab all kinds of things (like balancing budgets) and hold a gun to its head, knowing their dumbass supporters are too stupid to realize that government does do good things - too many of the idiots in the base buy into a whole lot of Libertarian-style anarchy when it comes to "limited government".
I thought Putin's Sock Puppet and his neo-Nazi supporters want to increase state rights. Getting rid of the Electoral College should be the first step.
Not those states rights.
So not cancelling voting just yet.
Testing the waters.
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I mean yes, good point, we've had rough times before. But this also sounds like a setup for a "hold my beer" meme.
Yeah right. ConOLD has no intention of allowing more elections.
Testing, testing...