Spyke
kbin.social

Guy shoots down Elon's brainless submarine rescue idea

Musk: What a pedo guy!

Guy posts actual CP to Twitter (sorry, I'm not gonna call it X)

Musk: This is fine.

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joneskindreply
lemmy.world

sorry, I’m not gonna call it X

I have mixed feelings about this one.

Should I call it X because all that was cool about Twitter is now dead so it would make sense to stop giving that terrible social network any credit from the former one?

Or should I continue to call it Twitter because I know it will infuriate Musk that no one recognise X as his own company?

Or should I use a totally different name that everybody will understand, like say The dead bird, and kill two birds with one stone?

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Nah, Musk has been trying to co-opt the 24th letter of the alphabet for 30 years, he's a wannabe Steve Jobs and he wants his own one letter legacy.

The only thing the rebranding has done is make Twitter an X-platform (pun intended).

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Gorkreply
lemm.ee

The Social Media Site Formerly Known As Twitter

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Indeed.

I had it in mind TBH

But “bird site” doesn’t sound as bad as “dead bird”

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Calling it Twitter is a reminder that the product/site used to be pretty interesting instead of a broken right wing child sex abuse platform

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Do what Elon does with his kid. Dead name it to annoy Elon. Also shame on him for dead naming and misgendering his own child.

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you wouldn't really be killing 2 birds with 1 stone. You'd be beating a dead bird with the stone, though

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lemmy.world

Don't forget Musk roleplays as a baby with multiple sub accounts.

Dude is a creeeeeeeeeep

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Roleplay?... "Sub"-accounts?... And here I thought he only was shitposting on main.

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Syrcreply
lemmy.world

Wait, multiple? I “only” knew about Elon Test, there’s more?

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Pretty sure it’s “wow, that was S3XY! We’ll leave your account open so you can send me some more”.

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someguy3reply
lemmy.world

Little known fact: You can be sorry without being Canadian.

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Ooooooh...

Actually, it could turn out pretty well for the dead bird so I won't

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While the media posted by the influencer has been removed, numerous text interactions with the deleted posts from his followers are still on the platform. Some of those posts mention a child depicted in the photos as young as one and a half years old.

Source

To make matters worse, the image appears to have been on the platform for several days before being removed. Lucre even described the image in detail in a separate tweet, noting that it had been taken from a video. The video in question involved the abuse of three children, one of whom was reportedly strangled to death after the filming.

Source

The CSAM material was left up for FOUR DAYS (July 22-26) before he was even suspended. Then they let him "delete" it...and reinstated him. People commented during those 4 days DESCRIBING THE IMAGES.

What the FUCK please tell me this is worth a visit from the FBI, getting removed from the App Store, some massive GDPR violation, fucking something. How is this story not bigger news?

To put this in perspective, 4 graphic CSAM images that an account with 500,000 followers posted were left up on Twitter for 4 days. The person who posted the images was suspended for less than a day.

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fiat_luxreply
kbin.social

Content warning: I deliberately avoid providing much more detail than "it was clearly CSAM" but I do mention the overall tweet contents and pretext.

I remember this from when it happened and unfortunately did see the text portion and thumbnail from the original tweet.

He did it under the pretext of reporting on the arrest of a person involved in the video and large-scale CSAM production. It started as a standard news-report-style where they list the name, age and arrest details of someone taken into custody. Initially it looked like the normal alt-right tweet about "look at how paedophilia is rampant and the world is sinful!".

The guy describes himself as "chief trumpster" and a "breaker of narratives" and journalist. He claimed the details of the CSAM were provided by the Dutch police. He then described the title and detailed events of a CSAM video in the tweet. Unfortunately for me, the detailed events were below the tweet fold, so I had no idea it was going there until I expanded it.

The tweet image attachment or link unfurl thumb had a frame from the video itself. It was an otherwise-SFW image the adult abuser who was being talked about. Unfortunately I didn't realise until after I had expanded the tweet text contents what the thumbnail was. I actually thought it was an opengraph error at first.

Even in the context of "reporting shocking content" the tweet was way over the line and went from 0 to 100 in a few words. I did not need the info on the CSAM, nobody except the police and courts does. The video title alone was over the line.

Musk phrasing this as another "I was told" decision is just him knowingly deferring responsibility.

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Thanks, it was partly my fault for taking a curiosity tour of Twitter to see whether there was a noticeable right-wing shift from a few months earlier.

Hopefully I can at least prevent someone from having to go try to find the context for themselves and finding the full tweet, because it was awful even as text.

I assumed there would be "they took it out of context!" apologia when it was inevitably reported on, but the actual context didn't improve anything or abdicate anyone from responsibility.

My heart goes out to the human moderators at twitter who had to see more of it and didn't have the choice to bail before learning more. And obviously also to the victims of one of the most heinous acts I've ever heard about.

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visakreply
lemmy.world

Thank for this. Seeing this explained this whole thing makes much more sense. Not in a good way, but I now understand. Edit: fixed typo

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fiat_luxreply
kbin.social

For what it's worth, I had no idea if it was the absolute worst journalistic judgement I have ever seen, or a way for him to find more CSAM, or some bizarre combo. That is something for the FBI to find out. But I do know the decision to unban him is beyond wild, even for someone trying to bankrupt a social media company. Text almost never makes me physically recoil.

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Yeah, even if we give them the benefit of the doubt that it was a bad attempt at journalism, there's no reason to defend them. Also bizarre that Elon would even get involved in it.

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KairuBytereply
lemmy.world

Unfortunately, it’s a term everyone should know. It “replaces” the label child porn, because while it’s universally known as horrible, it’s not “porn.” It’s evidence of child sexual abuse. Hence “child sexual abuse material.”

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You spent half your response "correcting" me for use of the the term porn, which I did not use. Respond to the OP for that. That's all I'm saying.

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Umbrareply
kbin.social

Because it was one image and it wasn't showing anything explicit. That's how I understood it from reading more about this story.

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Umbrareply
kbin.social

Dude, he posted it to highlight how evil it is. Maybe it was a stupid thing to do but that's the extent of it.

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kbin.social

Remember all that nonsense the media was posting about Mastodon being a haven for illegal porn? Almost feels like a smear campaign to defame an up and coming X/Twitter competitor.

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Most online platforms are susceptible to hosting CSAM and Mastodon deserves to be scrutinized and investigated for it as much as the rest. The problem with a million decentralized instances is a million different people in charge of detecting and eliminating CSAM from their platforms, and it’s going to be a challenge as this platform grows.

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sh.itjust.works

Facebook has the most csam of any website, but I hardly ever see the same fear mongering from the media. Odd.

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Facebook is ubiquitous now and is therefore beyond reproach. It exceeds the scope of everything.

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atzanteolreply
sh.itjust.works

You hear about Meta cracking down on csam in the media but not Twitter. Odd.

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b3nsn0wreply
pricefield.org

likely because it's not happening on twitter, as evidenced by the post

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Bingo. Meta, for it's horribleness, at least makes an effort to be less horrible. Elon... Doubles down on the horrible.

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yatareply
sh.itjust.works

No, you see it isn't illegal if you are conservative.

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zabravenreply
lemmy.world

So I looked into this some more, he apparently posted a screenshot from a really infamous child torture video called Daisy's Destruction, it was a screenshot of the toddler actually being tortured on her foot. I had no idea this video even existed online, he claims that he got it/the screenshot from the Dutch Police. He also might have posted a naked picture of Daisy on Peter Scully's lap. He also apparently posted it on Instagram where it is still up but I don't want to check whether that's true. That is insane wtf is wrong with him

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canreply
sh.itjust.works

Well this took me down a Wikipedia rabbit hole I really shouldn't have fallen

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Alivrahreply
lemmy.world

I have morbid curiosity but I won't be touching that. The short description alone is already too much.

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My life is worse off for having read this comment. It's needs a spolier alert or something. I'm just sick.

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kbin.social

Reinstated so that the FBI can investigate I hope ...

Reinstated because it's a Republican account I suspect ...

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Zepporeply
sh.itjust.works

“people who claim to be religious fanatics are pedos” isn’t a new thing.

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jarfilreply
lemmy.world

In a place where a piece of text can incorporate, a drawing has human* rights.

(*not applicable to actual humans)

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jarfilreply
lemmy.world

Your ignorance doesn't excuse your language.

Ask politely and you might learn which country meets what I said.

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That's not really the context. Need to see what that tweet (if it's even real) is responding to.

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kbin.social

QAnon people are posting photos of child sexual assaults “to raise awareness” because they’re too fucking stupid to realize that’s still insanely illegal and you don’t get to rob banks to raise awareness of bank robbers. (Or they’re just pedophiles trying to share images via a loophole that doesn’t exist.)

One prominent conservative guy got flagged by Twitter and had his account suspended. Elon claims only a few employees saw the image but that turned out to be a lie. It was up for 4 days and had something like 8000+ RTs and 1.3 million views. Elon basically intervened and unsuspended the guy’s account.

Also, if you’d like additional context, [insert photo of Musk with Gislaine Maxwell].

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Duder167reply
lemmy.world

Why does yout comment say "Blocked by an instance filter for feddit.de"

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Don't block the whole instance, just the non English communities if you want

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rustyfishreply
lemmy.world

I know when pedophiles tried to normalise pedophilia on Twitter by associating themselves with the LGBT community or by coming up with that nomap bullshit. I would assume they are just that. Pedos.

Also, it is widely known that pedos project like motherfuckers. That teenage billionaire sure threw those accusations around a lot.

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Eldritchreply
lemmy.world

Well to be fair his father is a well-known groomer and pedophile.

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QAnon people are posting photos of child sexual assaults “to raise awareness”

Say sike right now.

Please.

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Or is it because they think they are being clever and think that they can get away with it as long as they are yelling loudly enough about how much it disgusts them.

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Aerreply
lemmy.world

I am scared to ask but at the same time I have a need to substantiate claims... So regretfully. Source?

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If you search "elon musk roleplay son" you can find several screenshots and news sites reporting on it.

Here's one

Note: while OP says "ERP", it's not really erotic (apart from wishing to go to night clubs). Still creepy as F

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CADmonkeyreply
lemmy.world

I had to figure out what ERP meant in this context because I was just picturing some poor kid trying to use SAP.

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lemmy.ca

It's like literally everything he's done is to deliberately tank the company and lose billions of dollars.

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lemmy.world

Maybe after a few too wrong moves, he's trying to tank the company and make people think he's doing it on purpose so he could say that all this time he's been doing it on purpose. On purpose on purpose.

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b3nsn0wreply
pricefield.org

or he's actually just sabotaging one of the largest western social networks through weaponizing his gross incompetence

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lemmy.world

I believe that all of these major players are being controlled at almost gunpoint into destroying their platforms and making horrible business decisions (facebook, twitter, youtube, etc).

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They overextended in an era of easy money. Belts tighten and they still want to hit their growth targets, so they take away some sesame seeds.

I think people are realizing they don't really like the burger as much as they used to.

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"I'm so great, I can bankrupt a multibillion dollar company and lose tens of billions of dollars of my own money!"

Weird flex, but ok

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True, but I don't think one prohibits the other.

I'd also add that a defense of ignorance becomes harder to attribute his moves to when he is surrounded by people who inform him. Choosing not to listen to them seems malicious.

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lemmy.world

At this point they could have but a giant brown bear in charge of twitter. Gave it free reigns to eat whoever it likes and twitter would still be more successful and have a less damaged brand. Like is Elon actively trying to run it into the ground?

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I don't think he is. See, he's lived his entire life in a world without consequences, and he's never actually been a good businessman, and certainly never invented anything. But he's built his own little brand around pretending he's both and not a con man who was scamming carbon credits to boost the stock price of his flagship company.

At some point, he started to believe his own branding. After all, he must be a good businessman if he's the richest man in the world, right?

As a note, Bernie Madoff had a net worth of almost $70 Billion at his peak. He was one of the richest men in the world.

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sh.itjust.works

Given the other typos, this might just be another, but in case it's an error and you might want to use the phrase some other place where it matters:

It's "give it free rein" like a horse you're letting choose its own path and pace, rather than a monarch who would "reign."

You could let a bear reign over all Musk's properties with better results than he's having, but it would be a different sentence.

Both reign and rein can be nouns or verbs:

The Fed is trying to "rein in" inflation.

The "reign" of King Charles the Turd has barely begun.

(Sorry, my inner schoolmarm slipping out.)

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Coreidanreply
lemmy.world

You sound insufferable. You went on a multi paragraph rant to correct a strangers spelling on the internet. Wow.

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sh.itjust.works

I think you misread my tone. As I said at the start, "in case.. you want to use the phrase some other place where it matters." That kind of innocent error can impact one's success when at work or in an essay.

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Yes, that's exactly what he's trying to do. The sooner he runs it into the ground, the less money he's going to lose.

tapsideofhead.gif

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lemmy.world

I think any smart run company left Twitter the moment Elon took over (in his own eclectic way carrying a kitchen sink).

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/jul/17/tesla-elon-musk-thailand-diver-pedo

Just one, one drop in a sea of lunacy and megalomania. But that’s Elon. Now if this guy took over a company that directly impacted your profits, what would you do?

The real sad thing is that even if he is the Yahoo to Tumblr, it won’t impact him one iota. He’ll still be rich as all creation and people will still fawn over him and listen to what he has to say.

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Wak90reply

Ehhh I'm reading some very amusing speculation about his finances.

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I swear, I thought it was a joke until I actually saw his tweet on the platform

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lemmy.world

Because Elon musk (as well as everyone in positions of power) are all pedos. Every single one of them. These are the fuckwads that hang out of Epsteins island.

It’s also why nothing is being done about it because everyone that’s in a position to do anything about it is also a pedo and they don’t want to disrupt their pedo experiences.

That’s all the uber wealthy are into. They use their power and influence to get away with it my corrupting everyone around them.

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Saledovilreply
sh.itjust.works

'Pedophiles control the world' sounds just as far-fetched as 'jews control the world'.

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Hitler reading your comment while tweaking would probably make some deductions that he'd like to share in his next meth fueled speech.

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Coreidanreply
lemmy.world

There is no mistake. Elon is a pedophile. In other words he has sex with children. Is that clear enough for you?

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lemmy.world

Did you wake up today, and think, "Hey, these pedophiles are unfairly getting mislabeled. I'm going to go defend their preferred nomenclature on the internet today?"

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lemmy.world

Fucking someone under the age of 18 makes you a pedophile. End of story. You're arguing semantics like fucking a 17 year old isn't that bad, or at least that's how you come off. I appreciate your work but that's just not a distinction anyone cares to make. A pedo is a pedo.

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programming.dev

Do you have the original x link of this post, since I'm having trouble finding it on his account

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sh.itjust.works

I ain't white, but isn't this community name (not the community) kinda racist

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programming.dev

It comes from reddits "black people twitter" "white people twitter" and "bikini bottom twitter", on twitter people call different sub genres of twitter "x people twitter" White people twitter is just kinda bland takes

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Hey, at least you don't have to post a picture of your skin color to post here, like on reddit's BlackPeopleTwitter.

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That's not the actual context. There are screenshots of people who replied to the deleted images...describing the images. I saw those actual replies and friends saw the images and yes, reported them to the FBI.

The account has 500,000 followers and the pics were up for 4 days before he was suspended. I assure you, there were many comments about the images.

Oh look - the comments are still there: https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1682888030552735744

And if that doesn't work, here is OP describing one himself in a reply: https://web.archive.org/web/20230727054139/https://twitter.com/dom_lucre/status/1682888030552735744

The photo on the right is an image from the video that was sent. It is the one year old named Daisy. She was one of the babies that was rescued thankfully.

Edit: More comments reacting to the photos.

https://twitter.com/MojoPiniata/status/1683429250089492480?s=20

https://twitter.com/MikeStuchbery_/status/1684457431298969601?s=20

https://twitter.com/DrFred1957/status/1683832517659435009?s=20

https://twitter.com/jenpop7725/status/1682931082210213890?s=20

https://twitter.com/dirtturd/status/1682906771705217026?s=20

https://twitter.com/KnipLs/status/1683113278753452032?s=20

https://twitter.com/TammieGentry02/status/1683153428338409473?s=20

https://twitter.com/DrFred1957/status/1683832517659435009?s=20

https://twitter.com/jak5ewan/status/1682981192419663873?s=20

https://twitter.com/Chuck92925060/status/1682973678345043969?s=20

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some_guyreply
lemmy.sdf.org

Whole thing is fake news

I can see what kind of media rings true to you. No need to bring that here. You're supporting a conspiracy nutter.

@[email protected] posted sources disproving your narrative. People should ctl-f / cmd-f to get those links.

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Not even supporting him, I heard about him for the first time today. So reading what other people say it seems he added a thumbnail which is sfw but from a very nasty video in his "news posting".

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loutrreply
sh.itjust.works

I don't want to spend any more time looking up this sickening shit but it seems the tweet he screenshotted was not the one he was banned for (surprise!). He also posted screencaps of a CP video related to the case. Fuck this asshole, his followers and twitter as a whole.

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Yeah, the screencaps are the problem here. They were not explicit although their context would still cause upset.

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feddit.ch

the "CP" was a news article, but well...

edit: ok, I stopped at "but well" but I didn't know it'd get this much hate, my bad. All I wanted to say is that the guy shared a news article about an incident in the Philippines. In his replies, he also posted photos from a video related to the article. I don't like it when I see Twitter screenshots in which the user changes the words to fit their claims. The post was subject to CSAM concerns along with the photos. So, it's not explicitly "CP", but it still violates the platform's rules, and the guy should have remained suspended.

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kn0wmad1creply
programming.dev

Think for a second. Why would he be specifically mentioning "those photos" if it was a news article?

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Kalkalinereply
lemmy.one

Even if it was a news article, any half brained editor is going to know you don't post CP because it's illegal and you get the FBI breaking down your door and throwing you in a federal prison.

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yea ik and I agree, he should've stayed suspended, he could've just wrote about it instead of sharing whatever he found. I just don't like when the words changes from post to post or contexts are omitted when sharing.

i realized my original comment is also missing a lot about what i wanted to say, but i got burned real quick lol.

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renoureply
feddit.ch

no I'm not denying it, just gave abit more context. Apparently it was a news article the post itself was also subject of the suspension and then there was the CSAM photos, not cp, but still worth getting banned for

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kbin.social

then there was the CSAM photos, not cp

Those are the same thing. Child sexual abuse material is just a newer/better term for child porn as calling it porn is problematic.

You aren't adding any context, you're (hopefully unintentionally) defending cp.

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Oh sorry, I'm maybe cofusing CSAM with something else, also I thought CP is when the act of sexual assault is explicitly shown in the said material, not just when the victim is shown in the crime location, like for example a photo that police or reporter might have taken from the crime scene and the victim

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renoureply
feddit.ch

but if it's the same thing how am i defending it, I don't quite get it

idk, if i call murder a homicide, am i defending murder?

i'm not a native English speaker so I'd glad to know about these English synonyms

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kbin.social

Murder and homocide are not the same thing where the terminology was changed from one to the other. Murder is only one type of homicide, there are others. CSAM is CP, literally the same thing.

Pretending they aren't and continuing to argue about it is defending it. Feel free to stop any time.

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Thanks for the clarification. It would've been also good if you could leave it at the explanation and not accusing me of more things. I genuinely didn't know. But I guess it's social media after all, internet points worth more.

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MadMenacereply
kbin.social

Those are just quotation marks. Air quotes are when you use your fingers to form quotation marks in the air.

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lemmy.world

Lol obviously, brainfart on my behalf. Is there a word for those kinds of sarcastic (for lack of a better word) quotes where it's not just quoted, but implied to cast doubt on the original text/quote?

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enkersreply
sh.itjust.works

I mean, no, you were right. That's where in spoken conversation you would use air quotes, so it seems correct to use the term this way online too. Maybe writing "virtual air quotes" would help people who don't understand that this is a text conversation, not literal speech?

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i mean it's still correct, i got what he meant lol

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renoureply
feddit.ch

lol, I'm not doing that to defend anyone. It's just to not accept every word comes out from that braindead bird app. correct word for what happened is CSAM not CP

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hmm, like how? I don't know the guy, It's just what I gathered from both sides, those who cheered for the suspension and those who were against the suspension.

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