I remember reading something while ago that did link high temperatures with higher rates of things like violence. Essentially, being hot all the damn time makes everyone's baseline level of irritability higher and so things escalate more often. Seems a bit counter-intuitive though if we all came from Africa so I'm not sure how true it ultimately is.
In Europe the stereotype is definitely that "blood gets warmer" the more south you go. It certainly holds a bit of truth in my experience, the attitudes in Marseille or Rome are much more spicy than in Berlin, Amsterdam etc.
Exactly. Extremely small population and short duration (just one year’s data) means even a small number of murders in a given year will easily bump it up.
Just checked. With a population of 40k people and a rate of 2.6 murders per 100k, that comes out to a whopping 1 murder. Interestingly, their homicide rate went up by 98.55% in 2021. So.. yeah.. 2 people murdered.
The data is provided by Eurostat. An EU organisation, they are not going to fund numbers for a country not in the EU anymore (some other countries might still join for various reasons.)
If they hold that stance, the graph should not use 'Europe' when they essentially mean 'EU member nations', especially if they omit the UK for the reasons you state as the UK is a part of Europe.
Edit: not sure how difficult this is to understand. Europe is a continent, which includes the UK. The chart says Europe, not EU, whilst omitting a country within Europe.
In this case it is the graph makers laziness to not find extra stats on the UK. On the other part I believe the UK has the choice to join again, especially on side project as Eurostat. If a European country doesn't want to join on European initiatives then I'm bit sure if we should treat them specially. The choice is theirs and it was clearly made.
Eurostat (European Statistical Office; DG ESTAT) is a Directorate-General of the European Commission (...). Eurostat's main responsibilities are to provide statistical information to the institutions of the European Union (EU) and to promote the harmonisation of statistical methods across its member states and candidates for accession as well as EFTA countries.
The US does look bad. There is no make involved. The US homocide / gun deaths numbers are en par to some failed states or those with civil or actual war.
The reason the US looks bad is because the US is bad. You don't need to aim very high... I mean, you don't need to aim at all, or put any effort into it. Just let the US be the US and it already does all the looking bad for you.
I used wikipedia's data that is sourced from UNODC and is apparently for 2021. For states the size of the UK it doesn't really matter, fluctuations are small. Any given year the US will have ~6 times the homicide rate of the UK.
Not sure about that. The 51% who voted against membership still voted for the trainwreck of Tory leaderships.
They won't admit that it was a fuck up, because collapsing an economy, killing workers rights, and plunging more people into poverty than the past 30 years is fair game when you're a racist.
Out-dated British imperial ideals. For some reason a sizable portion of the UK believes they're the most important country in the world because of... Legacy?
Except that legacy has made a lot of bad blood around the world, and the rest of Europe was kind of happy to see the UK go, because the UK always wanted an exceptional place in e edy decision and deal with the EU.
I'm European. But yes, do please tell me how I "misunderstood" things, and not simply made an observation about the sheer arrogance and hubris of the UK, as one of your neighbours.
Why not? Are you some sorta coward? I'll say it: yeah, fascists think a whiter population leads to reduced crime rates. That's because fascists are rubes and imbeciles with such a stunted worldview that they're incapable of considering the effects of any other socio-economic factors such as education, distribution of wealth, etc.
I should hope not, but skirting around it that way with euphemisms like "PCM authright" is the sort of shitlord behaviour I would've expected from someone who does hold that view, so I guess it's a good thing we cleared that up.
I bring it up because new Hampshire is specifically mentioned by the alt right with racist motives. Thanks for implying I'm a shitlord and a coward though that's a great way to win over liberals like me.
The leading cause of homicide in the Baltic countries is alcohol. What is interesting is that the victims are usually family members and friends, because you drink at the same table and when you argue, you get angry and it ends badly. It is rare that a person is killed without a connection to the killer, and if it does happen, it makes the national headlines.
During the multiple occupations of the Baltic countries, alcohol was used to control the population. The tsar used it, Stalin used it and now Putin uses it. Alcohol helps to escape from reality and provides comfort. It will take time to overcome the alcoholic generations, measures are being taken to help solve the problem, but you can't change a country where for more than a hundred years alcoholism was the norm.
Maybe you're right. I know very little about the history of the baltics, it never came up even once at school. Also news coverage about it is lackluster at best.
Do you have any specific events/timeperiods I should look into?
Idk, maybe the collapse of Yugoslavia? Perhaps the Ottoman rule and aftermath. Different religions tied to different cultures as a deviding factor seem to stand out to me
Edit: I can't read apparently, disregard my comment.
A bit surprising seeing us at the top since I rarely feel uncomfortable walking alone during night even through questionable areas. I usually do not even see anyone else so that might be the reason why nothing significant has happened.
Most of those murders probably are from people you know because usually headlines mention something like ″Some guy kills another guy over a bottle of vodka and argument″. Rarely you see in news incidents where murder seems to have happened to random person.
The only recent thing that shook me quite a bit was meeting a guy with large knife. I still do not know if it was just for his own protection and he was some local guard since I was in an industrial area where you would not expect anyone. He was visibly drunk and spoke Russian which I barely know so I did not spend too much time thinking about it and just run the hell away.
It's also better than it was before. In 90s we had a bit of a gangster period. Source.
It’s not so bad in KC except for the gunfire after a Chiefs game…on Independence Day….NYE….in Westport on the weekends….or driving on the highways….during deer season….Election Day….Easter…MLK Day…National Hot Dog Day…Yom Kippur…Black Friday…and on days when the weather is above 40 degrees. But that’s all.
You’re fine on Tuesday nights when it’s snowing outside. Just watch out for ice on the roads. It’s hard to see.
Accidental or negligent acts can be homicides. A homicide is the death of one human caused by another. That’s all. It doesn’t have to be intentional or aggrevated
Though you aren’t wrong because the chart does say “intentional”. It just doesn’t specify what that really means in this context.
Just want to point out the graph maxes out at 12.5 out of 100,000. That’s 0.01% of 100000. With Louisiana’s population of 4.57million, it comes out to 571 people in 2020. Feels pretty low.
It’s most definitely a difference, it is also important to note this chart broke the US down into its states but did not do the same for the larger European countries. Taking data from statistica, Paris has a 10.2, the rest of the country is just so much more peaceful the overall is brought down. If America is taken at a whole it has a 6.3, which is still higher but not astronomically compared to the other countries.
In relation to countries outside of Europe, 571 does not seem astronomically high anymore, more like a miracle. Nearly every country in South America, Asia, and Africa that has data is much higher than the US average.
Also, if you've looked at the same map as I did, that was Guiana with a 10.2, not Paris. Paris is sub 3. All mainland France is sub 3. It's the islands that are bringing up the average, not Paris.
Also, even taken as a whole, the US isn't that well placed when compared to world average. Map that makes it easy to see.
The colour chart in the top right maxes at 12.5. Not the graph. Louisiana passes the 15 mark by a little bit. So that makes it around 700 people up from 571.
i'ld say thats not really a surprise IF you have a system that helps criminals to thrive while it tries hard to always put innocent to jail instead and prevent real investigations for the truth, thats at least how i see it.
Below are some links to related "last week tonight"s from YT.
Plz tell me if thats just a show full of lies or if that terror is real in poor underdeveloped 3rd world US:
(i might have linked videos not too bad, but i think i was horrified by the outcomes of those linked)
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/'No_Way_to_Prevent_This,'_Says_Only_Nation_Where_This_Regularly_Happens
"We've tried nothing and we're all out of ideas!"
Imagine how bad it would be if Americans didn't have guns to defend themselves.
And if those guns didn't have guns of their own.
The only thing that can stop a bad gun with a gun is a good gun with a gun.
Gun guns. A gun that shoots out guns. Sounds like something from a Borderlands game.
Louisianians be like "Chicago tho amirite"
If you take Chicago and New Orleans out of the mix, the two states are actually fairly even.
There's some bad boujee downindatbayou.
That'd be the French influence
What's the deal with Louisiana?
outside of NO, the region is reletively low on education, poverty ridden and low opportunity. its the trio that makes high homicide rate.
Oh there's plenty of people killing each other in the city too.
You don't say
Corruption, poor education, overpowered oil/gas lobby, for-profit prison system that encourages recidivism
And that's just scratching the surface
I remember reading something while ago that did link high temperatures with higher rates of things like violence. Essentially, being hot all the damn time makes everyone's baseline level of irritability higher and so things escalate more often. Seems a bit counter-intuitive though if we all came from Africa so I'm not sure how true it ultimately is.
In Europe the stereotype is definitely that "blood gets warmer" the more south you go. It certainly holds a bit of truth in my experience, the attitudes in Marseille or Rome are much more spicy than in Berlin, Amsterdam etc.
Get killed... Louisiana fast
Wasn’t that where true detective season 1 was based in? Says all you need to know.
Think 15 milly
Must be the Mississipi River. It just gets redder as you go down from Minnesota to Louisiana.
What's up with Liechtenstein? That's five people and a fortune, how are they competing with the US?
Probably true, yes. Death by Hilti!
Exactly. Extremely small population and short duration (just one year’s data) means even a small number of murders in a given year will easily bump it up.
Just checked. With a population of 40k people and a rate of 2.6 murders per 100k, that comes out to a whopping 1 murder. Interestingly, their homicide rate went up by 98.55% in 2021. So.. yeah.. 2 people murdered.
Leichtenshire.
Missouri is actually #1 if you count all the copicides.
Ah yes, the mostly aptly named state, misery.
UK isn't included for some reason, but in 2020 it was 1.00.
Source
I wanted to say "Duh brexit" but as switzerland is also included and some other non-eu states...
Also the title doesn't say EU, it says Europe.
Reading should be a thing, right?
Why do these European charts omit the UK?
We left the EU, not the bloody continent.
The data is provided by Eurostat. An EU organisation, they are not going to fund numbers for a country not in the EU anymore (some other countries might still join for various reasons.)
If they hold that stance, the graph should not use 'Europe' when they essentially mean 'EU member nations', especially if they omit the UK for the reasons you state as the UK is a part of Europe.
Edit: not sure how difficult this is to understand. Europe is a continent, which includes the UK. The chart says Europe, not EU, whilst omitting a country within Europe.
I feel for you. I understand what you're saying. Unfortunately I only have one up vote to counter everyone else.
In this case it is the graph makers laziness to not find extra stats on the UK. On the other part I believe the UK has the choice to join again, especially on side project as Eurostat. If a European country doesn't want to join on European initiatives then I'm bit sure if we should treat them specially. The choice is theirs and it was clearly made.
Switzerland and Norway are not part of the EU either.
We are on there but we had no killings. Just tragic accidents for the greater good.
What's the reason for excluding so many european countries in this graphic?
The UK not being included makes me think that these are only EU member countries? I don't know for sure though.
Switzerland is included though. I'm thinking it's just data availability.
It literally says Eurostat in the bottom right
It looks like their source was the Eurostat Data Browser. Maybe these are just the countries it has data for?
Two countries are being left out. Is two a high number to you?
UK, Switserland, Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Moldavia.
Cyprus is included for some reason.
Which two of the above were you referring to?
The numbers for Russia and Ukraine would be quite bad at the moment, me thinks.
Isn't the aim of the game to make US look bad?
The US does look bad. There is no make involved. The US homocide / gun deaths numbers are en par to some failed states or those with civil or actual war.
Your argument would be illustrated if this post included europe, as the title claimed it would.
Ok, so the US is only much worse than the majority of EU countries.
That better?
Amazing, huh, how comparing the US to other modern civilised countries makes the US look bad?
I wonder what that means...
The reason the US looks bad is because the US is bad. You don't need to aim very high... I mean, you don't need to aim at all, or put any effort into it. Just let the US be the US and it already does all the looking bad for you.
and Bosnia and Herzegovina
The UK left the EU, and since when the hell was Russia part of it!?
Title says Europe, not EU.
seems to be some non-eu countries...
Yet switserland is colored in
hence SOME
As with all EU policy, the purpose is to make the USA look bad. This is the only reason Russia is not even in the EFTA or the EU.
I have insider information that powers are play are trying to engineer a way to kick out Latvia to make the statistics more embarrassing to you.
PS: UK 1.48, Switserland Not a country, Russia 6.8, Belarus 2.32, Ukraine 3.84 pre-war, Moldavia 2.27 USA 6.38
I don't think adding Russia will make the difference you think it will, since it's barely more violent than the US.
The UK would be 1.00 on this chart - source
I used wikipedia's data that is sourced from UNODC and is apparently for 2021. For states the size of the UK it doesn't really matter, fluctuations are small. Any given year the US will have ~6 times the homicide rate of the UK.
Whenever you see a map with data about most European countries but not the UK, it's probably Eurostat. After Brexit they stopped sharing their data.
No data available is what I assumed.
Pretty sure the UK is no longer part of Europe. The greyed out countries aren't part of Europe, so why would they be included?
The UK is part of Europe, it just isn't part of the EU.
I mean, they would certainly like to be again.
Not sure about that. The 51% who voted against membership still voted for the trainwreck of Tory leaderships.
They won't admit that it was a fuck up, because collapsing an economy, killing workers rights, and plunging more people into poverty than the past 30 years is fair game when you're a racist.
Out-dated British imperial ideals. For some reason a sizable portion of the UK believes they're the most important country in the world because of... Legacy?
Except that legacy has made a lot of bad blood around the world, and the rest of Europe was kind of happy to see the UK go, because the UK always wanted an exceptional place in e edy decision and deal with the EU.
So many things you've said have been so wrong so far.
You completely misunderstand what happen, what is happening, and other peoples reactions.
You should stick with your poorly thought out American politics.
I'm European. But yes, do please tell me how I "misunderstood" things, and not simply made an observation about the sheer arrogance and hubris of the UK, as one of your neighbours.
Alabama: "We aren't Mississippi!"
Guess they can include a few others too.
What’s up with New Hampshire that it’s on par with the EU countries?
Authright (PCM) has an answer but I won't repeat it here
Why not? Are you some sorta coward? I'll say it: yeah, fascists think a whiter population leads to reduced crime rates. That's because fascists are rubes and imbeciles with such a stunted worldview that they're incapable of considering the effects of any other socio-economic factors such as education, distribution of wealth, etc.
Japan has entered the chat. Actually, lots of non-white nations, particularly in Asia have low homicide rates. OP is about homicides specifically, so: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate
Like I said, white supremacists are fucking morons. News at 11.
It's not my view
I should hope not, but skirting around it that way with euphemisms like "PCM authright" is the sort of shitlord behaviour I would've expected from someone who does hold that view, so I guess it's a good thing we cleared that up.
I bring it up because new Hampshire is specifically mentioned by the alt right with racist motives. Thanks for implying I'm a shitlord and a coward though that's a great way to win over liberals like me.
What's up in the baltic?
The leading cause of homicide in the Baltic countries is alcohol. What is interesting is that the victims are usually family members and friends, because you drink at the same table and when you argue, you get angry and it ends badly. It is rare that a person is killed without a connection to the killer, and if it does happen, it makes the national headlines.
During the multiple occupations of the Baltic countries, alcohol was used to control the population. The tsar used it, Stalin used it and now Putin uses it. Alcohol helps to escape from reality and provides comfort. It will take time to overcome the alcoholic generations, measures are being taken to help solve the problem, but you can't change a country where for more than a hundred years alcoholism was the norm.
I'd just like to interject and say we cause our own alcoholism, thank you very much. No help from our "friend" in the east needed.
That and vendetta honor comfort
Really? wildly waves hands at history
You gotta be extremely ignorant of even basic history to not see why.
Maybe you're right. I know very little about the history of the baltics, it never came up even once at school. Also news coverage about it is lackluster at best.
Do you have any specific events/timeperiods I should look into?
Try looking up the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany. Baltic countries were doing great* before that shit.
*Well, pretty good and a place like Riga was flourishing
Idk, maybe the collapse of Yugoslavia? Perhaps the Ottoman rule and aftermath. Different religions tied to different cultures as a deviding factor seem to stand out to meEdit: I can't read apparently, disregard my comment.
The Baltics and Balkan are two different places fyi.
The Baltics have nothing to do with Yugoslavia or the Ottoman Empire. This surprised me too and I have no ready explanation.
Latvia is the Louisiana of Europe
A bit surprising seeing us at the top since I rarely feel uncomfortable walking alone during night even through questionable areas. I usually do not even see anyone else so that might be the reason why nothing significant has happened.
Most of those murders probably are from people you know because usually headlines mention something like ″Some guy kills another guy over a bottle of vodka and argument″. Rarely you see in news incidents where murder seems to have happened to random person.
The only recent thing that shook me quite a bit was meeting a guy with large knife. I still do not know if it was just for his own protection and he was some local guard since I was in an industrial area where you would not expect anyone. He was visibly drunk and spoke Russian which I barely know so I did not spend too much time thinking about it and just run the hell away.
It's also better than it was before. In 90s we had a bit of a gangster period. Source.
“Surely not!” And then with a heavy sigh, I remembered Baltimore.
Same thing happened to me 😔
Homicide rate in German federal states per 100k inhabitants
Hmm Mord means murder though, not homicide, that would be Totschlag. Also there is a note in the sidebox that the graphs include attempted murders.
The German equivalent to Alabama is nearly as bad as the original ;-)
Whoooo Rheinland-Pfalz! Lesgoooo!
Not to brag but at least Illinois isn't the worst. That, as usual, goes to the Worst State in the Union in over 90% of all categories, Louisiana.
Lousy Ana
I didn't expect my state to be in 2nd place. I guess I should keep staying away from st Louis and KC. And Jeff city. And probably springfield.
It’s not so bad in KC except for the gunfire after a Chiefs game…on Independence Day….NYE….in Westport on the weekends….or driving on the highways….during deer season….Election Day….Easter…MLK Day…National Hot Dog Day…Yom Kippur…Black Friday…and on days when the weather is above 40 degrees. But that’s all.
You’re fine on Tuesday nights when it’s snowing outside. Just watch out for ice on the roads. It’s hard to see.
None of those are homicides
Accidental or negligent acts can be homicides. A homicide is the death of one human caused by another. That’s all. It doesn’t have to be intentional or aggrevated
Though you aren’t wrong because the chart does say “intentional”. It just doesn’t specify what that really means in this context.
Okay, my bad
All good. Your point is still valid in context of the data provided. You’re not entirely wrong!
What's a homicide then? I saw this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_Kansas_City_parade_shooting
Hmm. Pennsylvania. I'm going to go out on a limb and say Philly.
Look at "them there" red states. Life is cheap south of the Mason Dixon Line.
It's just another part of the wide range of fantastic options for post-natal abortions, from the fourth trimester onward!
No lives matter (except the rich)
Damn, Latvia
Why is Mississipi not first on this list too? Louisiana seems off the charts. Any explanation for that?
If you can make it here you ca…. Oh someone killed you…
If I can make it here I ca…
Hey he may have died but at least Candlejack didn't get him. OH NO! Now he's gonna get m-
Just want to point out the graph maxes out at 12.5 out of 100,000. That’s 0.01% of 100000. With Louisiana’s population of 4.57million, it comes out to 571 people in 2020. Feels pretty low.
Denmark, with a population of 5.8 million in 2020, had 42 (0.72 per 100000). 571 seems absolutely astronomical.
It’s most definitely a difference, it is also important to note this chart broke the US down into its states but did not do the same for the larger European countries. Taking data from statistica, Paris has a 10.2, the rest of the country is just so much more peaceful the overall is brought down. If America is taken at a whole it has a 6.3, which is still higher but not astronomically compared to the other countries.
In relation to countries outside of Europe, 571 does not seem astronomically high anymore, more like a miracle. Nearly every country in South America, Asia, and Africa that has data is much higher than the US average.
Also, if you've looked at the same map as I did, that was Guiana with a 10.2, not Paris. Paris is sub 3. All mainland France is sub 3. It's the islands that are bringing up the average, not Paris.
Also, even taken as a whole, the US isn't that well placed when compared to world average. Map that makes it easy to see.
Valid points
The colour chart in the top right maxes at 12.5. Not the graph. Louisiana passes the 15 mark by a little bit. So that makes it around 700 people up from 571.
Im a bit suprised where New Hampshire is on the list. They are the little texas of new england and you can not tell anyone from that state what to do.
Whoo!! Better than Latvia!
There are some surprises among the best us states, or maybe I’m just not as familiar with them as I expected
Europe sits further north than the US does.
The homicide rate seems to go down as you move north.
I am willing to bet if you take the most populous cities in each state they'd fall in a similar organization.
So we can reasonably conclude that hot summers make you want to murder a motherfucker.
Obviously. Nothing else could cause this. Nothing.
Clearly thoughts and prayers aren't helping. So it must be the weather.
We need a National crash funding program for air conditioning. That’ll solve it. /s
USA is such a great country
i'ld say thats not really a surprise IF you have a system that helps criminals to thrive while it tries hard to always put innocent to jail instead and prevent real investigations for the truth, thats at least how i see it.
Below are some links to related "last week tonight"s from YT.
Plz tell me if thats just a show full of lies or if that terror is real in poor underdeveloped 3rd world US: (i might have linked videos not too bad, but i think i was horrified by the outcomes of those linked)
Prosecutors https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ET_b78GSBUs
Wrongful convictions https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kpYYdCzTpps
Migrant crime https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=axsgzg3RyF0
Crime Reporting https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kCOnGjvYKI0
School police https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KgwqQGvYt0g
Police interrogations https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=obCNQ0xksZ4
death investogations https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=hnoMsftQPY8
forensic science https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ScmJvmzDcG0
update: fixed broken link, added titles
...But muh second amendment right!
/S