We don't just give them free reign, for the most part the world promotes being selfish.
Damn near everything we ever hear takes no one else into account. Living wage is less and less common, billionaires have all the money in the world and zero accountability, healthcare (Mostly US specific) is an overpriced scam with no guardrails, food costs whatever the fuck the people who control it tell us it costs regardless of production costs, housing costs way too fucking much, fake news is more and more prevalent and conning more and more fools.
Its easy to see why people focus on no one but themselves anymore, its just the way of the world, toxicity is winning.
I've been stuck on a train with a girl wearing headphones and singing along to Savage Garden. We all suffered.
She was even shutting her eyes tight and doing these ones...
If you've ever listened to just the vocals of a song without music, it was that, but also awfully off-key because she, of course, could not hear herself. Obnoxiously, I think she thought she was putting on a performance we were all impressed by. No one was impressed.
Ungh my manager at my last job did that shit all the time. Infuriating, because I wasn’t allowed to have headphones (inbound tech support), and it was really distracting when I was on a call.
And just like, so incredibly rude, who the fuck does that??
That's exactly how it felt. Like her imagination had daydreamed the scene long enough, it was time to put it out to the universe and be approached by all those agents and producers crammed in the commuter carriage of the inner south line.
You just unlocked a repressed childhood memory from when I was 10 and we spent our lunchtimes playing MTG outside the school hall. Every day for months one year a group of girls decided to rehearse a dance they were choreographing to Animals by savage garden so we had to listen to it being constantly played, rewound, played again, stopped, repeated, ad nauseam. It made me hate savage garden for years after with an unrequited fury. I don't think I ever fully recovered.
People around where we live mount Bluetooth speakers to their bicycle and ride around on nature trails sharing their music with everyone because who the hell goes out in nature to experience nature?
Yeah, as a cyclist, this pisses me off. I wear bone conduction headphones so I can listen to something while also hearing what's going on around me, and those idiots with loud music playing interfere with both.
There's a guy in my area that does that... He told me one day that it's to help give people and animals a heads-up that he's coming, which is helpful when overtaking people from behind, or around blind corners.
Sounded like an excuse at first, but it actually did help some of the time when I saw him after that. I have begrudgingly changed my mind about it.
He's still being selfish, Cyclists and mountain bikers yield to hikers, runners, and equestrians, Hikers and runners yield to equestrians. Downhill users yield to uphill users.
Yup. I slow, inform, and then overtake when safe. If they don't seem to respond, I'll wait to overtake. On a bike path, I can usually just overtake with 3' (1m) space.
I mean if he seemed to think that that meant he was allowed to blast past people and they were obligated to move out of his way, then yeah that'd be pretty selfish... But when I've encountered him he's been otherwise reasonably considerate. The music isn't even really that loud, you probably only hear it from like 20-30m away.
That also sounds like a good option. Wouldn't really make sense for this guy cause he's not on a bike, he's on one of those electric unicycle things... But I'm glad it works for you.
That means you're waiting to use the bell until you're right behind people. That's missing the point of the bell entirely. You're just grasping for excuses to have music regardless of how rude it is to other people on the trail.
Meanwhile, Google's like, "We're removing the ability to silently check your notifications using your Pixel Buds. You have to use the voice command now. No, we don't care that you primarily use them in public spaces. And we really don't care that our voice recognition has a 15% success rate."
Someone raised the question of whether Google might have had a security concern. Since you can pick up unpaired headphones and listen to notifications from a locked phone. Though Apple does have a similar feature with AirPods: Announce Notifications.
That's shitty but I fail to see how the course of action there would be to start using the voice commands instead of just, you know, silently pulling out the phone and checking the notifications with your eyes.
I dunno, I didn't have much of a problem with them unless my hands were wet. Occasionally couldn't make the triple-tap work, and maybe some issues with accidentally adjusting the volume. I found the "push and hold to play notifications" function to be super reliable, though.
90% of the time it triggers some random function for me when I am just trying to push it back into my ear (pause, skip forward, some sort of tutorial crap, notifications,...)
A lot of people blame this on people losing their social skills during COVID, but I remember people doing it when I was in high school in the mid-2010s.
i can of course draw no conclusions about the future from the fact that he's been right about everything he's ever said thus far -- he could be wrong about something tomorrow and i'd look like a fool -- but he is a pretty righteous dude
I was in the surgery waiting room for 12 hours while my mom had spinal surgery and some piece of shit Boomer kept watching political commentary videos on his phone and would very aggressively say to people "This isn't bothering you, is it?" And when we let him know it was, he'd just move a few seats away - not far enough to make any real difference. I wanted to beat the asshole to a bloody pulp, but I was equally as mad at the hospital who didn't put an end to it.
Same with fuckers in restaurants watching sports on their phones, or on speakerphone calls, or kids playing their fucking preschool games with their volume turned up. If we can't kill these motherfuckers then we should at least be allowed to smash their phones out of their hands.
I had to listen to someone blast Tiktok and parts of some yelling bro-y podcast in the dentist's office.
I am already on edge whenever I go there, but this put me on a different level, as I was ridiculously overstimulated by the time I was in the chair. They almost did not continue because my blood pressure was alarmingly high.
In the US, a lot of dentists use nitrous oxide for pain management and/or sedation. Taking a blood pressure is one of the safety precautions for pretty much any sort of sedation. In Europe we usually use local anaesthetic; it’s less invasive.
There are also certain complications that can arise from a high BP. It can result in more bleeding, which is not ideal especially if the patient is taking medication like blood thinners.
And on a general note: a lot of people don’t know they have a high blood pressure. It’s a good thing to check occasionally if you don’t. High BP can have a wide range of health concerns.
Someone else commented before me and had a very accurate answer!
In short, blood pressure can mess with anesthetic, making it not work or work less effectively. My dentist wants to make sure they are not torturing their patients with unneeded pain.
It is not even that, it is a tiny minority of the public. In fact, come to think of it, that is the problem with a lot of systems that would otherwise work great, a tiny minority of exploitative rich people, a tiny minority of spammers, a tiny minority of people who vandalize public spaces,...
I don't get why anyone who rides public transportation doesn't wear headphones themselves. Big obvious ones are best so people don't talk to you.
I do find that the more righteous I feel about someone's actions the more annoying it becomes to me. Despite how rude it is, and you're absolutely right about that, try to not give a fuck. It really helps to consider their obliviousness as a disorder. They're pathetic.
If nothing else, hopefully it'll keep you from actually pulling the trigger one day.
Huh, I've gotten these attacks periodically over the years, generally associated with drinking beer. I've always chalked it up to a salivary gland reaction/malfunction, but the description is exactly what I experience, like someone is driving a spike through my jaw behind the hinge.
It's pretty occasional, so it's not like I stopped drinking beer or anything insane like that. But good to know.
This isn't associated with anything, unfortunately. I wish it was. It's mostly under control with medication, but flare-ups can happen any time, anywhere.
I looked it up trying to be helpful. Supposedly, bone conductive can overstimulate the nerve clusters - resulting in an attack of sorts. Most likely because they press on and vibrate the temples.
That really blows. I'd rather lose a finger. Sorry to learn of it.
In the spirit of the request, I would suggest beanie headphones. Assuming it's cool enough out, and you can tolerate a beanie, they may fit the bill.
I almost never wear headphones in public. I prefer the situational awareness and being able to hear "This train is skipping union square" announcements.
I'm also a guy so I don't need the "don't talk to me" signal they provide.
Can we have a special level for those who blast conspiracy theory videos? That was my last trip, and even with my headphones, I could still hear them droning on about some ignorant hot take divorced from any semblance of reality.
We old people were raised well, dammit! We had wired earphones! Then Apple cocked up and tried to make expensive wireless earphones fashionable. And look where that lead us. That's right, kids not knowing what earphones even are. Fuck you technobros, you can't do anything right.
(Posted from my HMD Global Nokia 5.4, which does have a headphone jack, thank you very much)
(Sorry if abrasive, mildly drunk)
The lack of noise during covid confirms this...evenings were super quiet. It was amazing. Now if only we can shut the city's power off a night so we can see the starts again.
also, when there's a snowstorm, it gets so quiet... I love it. although I'm sure its because of the lack of cars on the road AND snow piling up that absorbs sound instead of bouncing it around everywhere
90% of the things they named weren't cars but in practice if you actually compare cities with tons of cars vs ones with few you'll find that removing cars removes 90% of the noise.
I live in a quiet neighborhood and it's totally not an issue. Even when I lived in an apartment in a quiet neighborhood, it still was largely a non-issue. Quiet is good, and it encourages landlords and homeowners to install proper sound-proofing to preserve it.
A lot of the things they name aren't inherently city noises, either, though. I don't live near any concert venues or airports, so I don't hear noise from either of those sources. You could live in the middle of nowhere, but if you live above the local bar, it shouldn't come as a surprise that it's loud on Friday and Saturday nights. Dogs and birds aren't exactly uniquely urban phenomena, and the sound of peoples' shoes on the sidewalk being a major source of noise just strikes me as absurd.
Yeah I don't know where they're coming from if they're not used to birds. I just got an impromptu concert by the wren who lives in my azalea and it was lovely.
Cars are far louder than most of the things on the list, only gunshots, airplanes and construction can even remotely exceed the level of noise pollution produced by a busy roadway.
That's just how the brain is. A lot of city noise doesn't register as important (and it isn't), but overhearing half a conversation or random snippets of YouTube is annoying on a pretty deep level.
I don't know how people even live there. Like do they view a flat, open the window, be greeted by a cacophony of engines and sirens and helicopters and go "OH MY GOD THIS IS AMAZING! SARAH COME OVER HERE AND LISTEN TO THIS! I CAN BARELY HEAR MYSELF THINK! I'LL GIVE YOU TWO THOUSAND POUNDS A MONTH FOR IT!"
The typical offender here is the well-to-do Canadian kid blasting gangsta rap in the back of the bus as though he's hard. He also has that early Justin Bieber accent down to a science. Hailing from the Detroit area myself and having spent nearly a decade in this province, I don't think this kid has ever met a gangsta in his life.
Aight, someone explain their point of view please. What level of volume severity have you commenters experienced? Someone listening to something has never bothered me, but it also has never been loud enough I can't have a conversation with someone. Most restaurants play music louder than I hear from a stranger's speakers. I don't get what is rude about it. Even the Everett True comic below, several of you are that on edge about a person whistling or humming to themself?
I was on a 7-hr bus trip starting from 2:00 am until 9:00 am. A fucking cumsock sitting in front of me kept browsing Indian tiktok loud as shit for more than 30 mins and no one was saying anything. I tried to sleep and just let him be, but I couldn't because it was loud as shit. I then tried to play similar bullshit on my phone loud as shit next to him to tip him off to how awful it is if someone else did that but still nothing and he was giggling watching tiktok on max volume. I had to tap him on the shoulder, and ask him "Do you have a headphone dude? a headphone? or shut that thing off. Thank you." then he said ok, and that was the end of story.
Still I could not believe the level of obviously for a grown man to do this to everyone around. I thought he was mentally challenged at first but no, he was a grownup sober functional cumsock in his 30s. I still wish the bus driver just shot him twice and everyone pissed on him but that's not how it works in real life
I don't mind interacting with others in public, but I very much dislike inconsiderate people who decide to monopolize public spaces at the expense of others being able to enjoy them in their own way. I don't care about someone listening to the radio with their friends at a reasonable volume while they chill and talk. The reality is more often rival clusters of people with massive speakers, each turning their stuff higher because they can't hear their crappy music over the other people doing the same thing up and down the block. Me being unable to sleep at 4AM on a Wednesday because I can hear your terrible choice in Dembow and Rap that you choose to accompany your domino games and hookah sessions from my apartment on the seventh floor isn't us having an interaction, it's you being a nuisance.
I hear you. I agree with you, it's just hard for me to condemn the loud music and domino games because, from my perspective its people practicing their culture.
I understand that it's inconsiderate and a nuisance to most. I just have really good memories of that kind of culture at that volume. I'm bias.
Personally, I hate this line, because I only ever hear it trotted out to excuse bad behavior that people know they shouldn't. Saying that being a loud nuisance in public is people practicing their culture is just as absurd as saying Irish men getting drunk and beating their wives is practicing Irish culture. It might be a negative cultural stereotype some of them actually live up to, be it doesn't mean it should be tolerated.
Even if you want to accept that it's a valid argument, one's right to practice their culture ends where it limits the rights of others to do the same. People don't get carte blanche to make everyone else change their lives to accommodate a culture with no sense of appropriate volume or consideration for others.
Beating your wife? I could not see as a cultural thing.
That's kind of exactly my point, though. I see claiming being loud and inconsiderate to others as people practicing their culture to be just as disingenuous an argument as saying wife-beating is a part of Irish culture that just has to be accepted. It's just brought out to defend bad behavior, often with the implication that if you continue to criticize said behavior, you're automatically in the wrong, having revealed yourself as bigoted against whatever group you're criticizing.
And yeah every September a portion of my country takes up a chunk of a lot of cities for a weekend to get drunk because Germany. Every March they do it because Ireland. Every June because gay. That adds to cultural vibrancy and in its absence communities can become unpleasantly sterile.
People should play their rap, but remember some of their neighbors are sleeping. Community festivals, and night gatherings are beautiful and wonderful expressions of culture. And also I swear to the gods some of us work really early in the morning.
I miss the vibrancy of places that had such things like my college dorms. But I don’t miss trying to sleep through it when people got too loud.
I think it would be fine if it was that one night a year that your local city has their local festival but it is different if every other event has a local copy all year around.
I can sympathize with both sides. On one hand it’s great to have a sense of community in public and it can really add to everyone’s life. But on the other hand having just had a migraine in public and regularly having conversations and thoughts in public I very much understand the desire not to.
I think it comes down to understanding the space you’re taking up with your sound. On public transit, people are stuck with you, so try to be minimally disruptive. On trails and such, we’re all here for nature, let some people enjoy its serenity. On the street, sure enjoy sharing your music but have a decent speaker for it.
It's incredibly rare that I've had positive interactions with random people. Sure there's a "thanks" for opening the door or whatever but I wouldn't count that. I mean prolonged engagement though even short conversations can turn on fight or flight. Especially at night, or at a liquor store gas station. "Hey brother..." "Yeah nope"
I get what he means by its annoying, but really what the fuck is with that wording "you should be shot" when we know you're just talking about being annoyed?? It says so much about a kind of person when they're comfortable saying something this vile. Using extreme violence as a point of emphasis over an every day annoyance. Like holy fuck there's so little people who can say these kind of things publicly without extreme repercussions, it's so extremely privileged.
Yea, sometimes when I'm out in public, I like to listen to music on speakers. Sorry if it's a mild inconvenience you have to HEAR something as we pass by each other. God forbid, yall need to lighten up.
I get being aggravated about people blasting music on a bose speaker in a bus or train (I used public transit in L.A. for years). But just enjoying my day sitting somewhere or going on a walk I might put it on a speaker, eat my ass if that annoys you.
So I'm curious; why no headphones? When I listen to music from a speaker in open space, half of the sound is basically gone. My headphones are ~10x (not exaggerating) better than anything played at 'mild inconvenience' levels in public. I can also play it at an ear-safe volume because of ANC. Yes, they can start to hurt due to the arms on my glasses but that's after 5-7 hours in a day.
If more people acted like Everett True, we'd live in a much nicer world. We've given assholes far too much free reign.
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Um.
Does Ev have an Iron Cross on his hand?
Edit: questions bad?
Its the x mark from where he back handed the guy, the dotted line shows that
Everett true began in the early 1900s as in 1900-1909.
Nobody had decided to co-opt it for their shitty ideals yet.
The iron cross is still used by modern German armed forces
The cross pattée has many heraldic uses, but this is more like an "x marks the spot" like on a treasure map.
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We don't just give them free reign, for the most part the world promotes being selfish.
Damn near everything we ever hear takes no one else into account. Living wage is less and less common, billionaires have all the money in the world and zero accountability, healthcare (Mostly US specific) is an overpriced scam with no guardrails, food costs whatever the fuck the people who control it tell us it costs regardless of production costs, housing costs way too fucking much, fake news is more and more prevalent and conning more and more fools.
Its easy to see why people focus on no one but themselves anymore, its just the way of the world, toxicity is winning.
Being massive assholes to people you feel are being assholes. No contradictions there.
The paradox of tolerance shows us that, indeed, there is no contradiction.
I've been stuck on a train with a girl wearing headphones and singing along to Savage Garden. We all suffered.
She was even shutting her eyes tight and doing these ones...
If you've ever listened to just the vocals of a song without music, it was that, but also awfully off-key because she, of course, could not hear herself. Obnoxiously, I think she thought she was putting on a performance we were all impressed by. No one was impressed.
I wanna stand with you on a mountain
I wanna bathe with you in the brie
I wanna slay like this forever
Ungh my manager at my last job did that shit all the time. Infuriating, because I wasn’t allowed to have headphones (inbound tech support), and it was really distracting when I was on a call.
And just like, so incredibly rude, who the fuck does that??
She's just trying to get discovered
That's exactly how it felt. Like her imagination had daydreamed the scene long enough, it was time to put it out to the universe and be approached by all those agents and producers crammed in the commuter carriage of the inner south line.
You just unlocked a repressed childhood memory from when I was 10 and we spent our lunchtimes playing MTG outside the school hall. Every day for months one year a group of girls decided to rehearse a dance they were choreographing to Animals by savage garden so we had to listen to it being constantly played, rewound, played again, stopped, repeated, ad nauseam. It made me hate savage garden for years after with an unrequited fury. I don't think I ever fully recovered.
That's horrible. Think of all the blood someone else has to clean. For that reason I suggest strangle.
"You haven't thought about the smell, you bitch!" vibes.
(from always sunny)
Automotive Keel-hauling is better, keeps the mess outside and feeds carnivorous wildlife.
I don't think urinating on people in public transport is a good idea. But otherwise, spot on.
When else are you supposed to urinate on people?
In the privacy of your home? Like a civilized person.
;)
Ourinal
What about furious masturbation? Because that happens whether it's a good idea or not.
People around where we live mount Bluetooth speakers to their bicycle and ride around on nature trails sharing their music with everyone because who the hell goes out in nature to experience nature?
I'm a cyclist and I've noticed an uptick in this shit lately. At least with a cyclist doing it they're past you pretty quickly, I suppose.
Yeah, as a cyclist, this pisses me off. I wear bone conduction headphones so I can listen to something while also hearing what's going on around me, and those idiots with loud music playing interfere with both.
There's a guy in my area that does that... He told me one day that it's to help give people and animals a heads-up that he's coming, which is helpful when overtaking people from behind, or around blind corners.
Sounded like an excuse at first, but it actually did help some of the time when I saw him after that. I have begrudgingly changed my mind about it.
He's still being selfish, Cyclists and mountain bikers yield to hikers, runners, and equestrians, Hikers and runners yield to equestrians. Downhill users yield to uphill users.
https://usacycling.org/article/trail-etiquette-for-mountain-bikers
Yup. I slow, inform, and then overtake when safe. If they don't seem to respond, I'll wait to overtake. On a bike path, I can usually just overtake with 3' (1m) space.
I mean if he seemed to think that that meant he was allowed to blast past people and they were obligated to move out of his way, then yeah that'd be pretty selfish... But when I've encountered him he's been otherwise reasonably considerate. The music isn't even really that loud, you probably only hear it from like 20-30m away.
I've got a bell on my handlebars for that.
That also sounds like a good option. Wouldn't really make sense for this guy cause he's not on a bike, he's on one of those electric unicycle things... But I'm glad it works for you.
I have scared people with my bike bell before. They almost ended up more in my path. Speakers seem like a better solution to me.
That means you're waiting to use the bell until you're right behind people. That's missing the point of the bell entirely. You're just grasping for excuses to have music regardless of how rude it is to other people on the trail.
I don't have a speaker when I bike, only seen it with others.
This is why the removal of 3.5mm jacks is bullshit.
I can't just forcibly attach headphones to someone's phone and silence them anymore.
But you could shove the phone gently up their rectum.
Something to ponder.
Meanwhile, Google's like, "We're removing the ability to silently check your notifications using your Pixel Buds. You have to use the voice command now. No, we don't care that you primarily use them in public spaces. And we really don't care that our voice recognition has a 15% success rate."
Wow bummed for you on that
Someone raised the question of whether Google might have had a security concern. Since you can pick up
unpairedheadphones and listen to notifications from a locked phone. Though Apple does have a similar feature with AirPods: Announce Notifications.Edit: not “unpaired”
I feel like I'd rather give hackers free access to all my devices than jump through all the security hurdles that are put in place to stop them.
I might not go that far but I feel that sentiment.
Ooh they could announce 2FA/MFA codes… maybe that could be toggleable
That's shitty but I fail to see how the course of action there would be to start using the voice commands instead of just, you know, silently pulling out the phone and checking the notifications with your eyes.
To be fair touching them also has about a 15% success rate to do what I intended it to do.
I dunno, I didn't have much of a problem with them unless my hands were wet. Occasionally couldn't make the triple-tap work, and maybe some issues with accidentally adjusting the volume. I found the "push and hold to play notifications" function to be super reliable, though.
90% of the time it triggers some random function for me when I am just trying to push it back into my ear (pause, skip forward, some sort of tutorial crap, notifications,...)
Shooting them is a kindness. They could be reported to the RIAA for violating public performance copyright.
I think most people are opposed to torture on moral grounds.
Seconded.
A lot of people blame this on people losing their social skills during COVID, but I remember people doing it when I was in high school in the mid-2010s.
There was a whole scene in Star Trek 4 with the same premise and I think that released in 86.
i love how cory doctorow is consistently right about literally everything
i imagine he'd be first to warn you that is insane thinking
i can of course draw no conclusions about the future from the fact that he's been right about everything he's ever said thus far -- he could be wrong about something tomorrow and i'd look like a fool -- but he is a pretty righteous dude
He spends his entire life curating information sources. Selecting the absolute best and burning the rest with holy fire.
He's a living spam filter.
Basically you take what's left after the bullshit filter and you end up with a lot of his writing.
It's truly a gift.
I was in the surgery waiting room for 12 hours while my mom had spinal surgery and some piece of shit Boomer kept watching political commentary videos on his phone and would very aggressively say to people "This isn't bothering you, is it?" And when we let him know it was, he'd just move a few seats away - not far enough to make any real difference. I wanted to beat the asshole to a bloody pulp, but I was equally as mad at the hospital who didn't put an end to it.
Same with fuckers in restaurants watching sports on their phones, or on speakerphone calls, or kids playing their fucking preschool games with their volume turned up. If we can't kill these motherfuckers then we should at least be allowed to smash their phones out of their hands.
I just tell people to please use headphones or turn their whatever to silent. I've only once had a guy react not so nicely to that.
I was once on a Greyhound bus where a guy was loudly talking on his phone, but not on speaker. The issue was he was just repeatedly saying:
"Listen....... Listen..... Listen.... Listen... Lemme tell you.... Listen... Listen .... Listen lemme.... Lemme tell you .. listen"
For half an hour.
Finally a hero yelled out: "Listen! Lemme tell you to shut the fuck up!"
He said "lemme call you back later" hung up and shrunk down on his seat as the whole bus clapped.
Was his name "Navi" and he looked like a small glowing light?
“and everybody clapped”
It's true, I was the phone
i actually believe this one though
It feels a bit exaggerated imo
https://youtu.be/Zf5iwGZNY_Q?feature=shared
I'm so old I remember when you'd get thrown out of restaurant if you used a cellphone
Back in the day when cellphones could only take calls.
Abso-friggin-lutely. Shoot them twice to be sure.
It’s such an annoying, disrespectful thing to do in public. If you do it, you’re either a giant asshat or too dumb to keep around.
I had to listen to someone blast Tiktok and parts of some yelling bro-y podcast in the dentist's office.
I am already on edge whenever I go there, but this put me on a different level, as I was ridiculously overstimulated by the time I was in the chair. They almost did not continue because my blood pressure was alarmingly high.
What kind of dentist measures blood pressure?
There’s a few reasons why that can be relevant.
In the US, a lot of dentists use nitrous oxide for pain management and/or sedation. Taking a blood pressure is one of the safety precautions for pretty much any sort of sedation. In Europe we usually use local anaesthetic; it’s less invasive.
There are also certain complications that can arise from a high BP. It can result in more bleeding, which is not ideal especially if the patient is taking medication like blood thinners.
And on a general note: a lot of people don’t know they have a high blood pressure. It’s a good thing to check occasionally if you don’t. High BP can have a wide range of health concerns.
Someone else commented before me and had a very accurate answer!
In short, blood pressure can mess with anesthetic, making it not work or work less effectively. My dentist wants to make sure they are not torturing their patients with unneeded pain.
The problem with public transit isn't the transit, it's the public.
It is not even that, it is a tiny minority of the public. In fact, come to think of it, that is the problem with a lot of systems that would otherwise work great, a tiny minority of exploitative rich people, a tiny minority of spammers, a tiny minority of people who vandalize public spaces,...
We're all in that tiny minority at least sometimes. And that's why I avoid people. Not just for me, but also for them.
It's also sometimes transit, but that's mostly because the public does not fund and prioritize transit as they should.
I don't get why anyone who rides public transportation doesn't wear headphones themselves. Big obvious ones are best so people don't talk to you.
I do find that the more righteous I feel about someone's actions the more annoying it becomes to me. Despite how rude it is, and you're absolutely right about that, try to not give a fuck. It really helps to consider their obliviousness as a disorder. They're pathetic.
If nothing else, hopefully it'll keep you from actually pulling the trigger one day.
Not everyone can wear headphones all the time.
Me, for example. I can wear headphones for maybe 45 minutes before the pain gets too intense and I need to take a 10 minute break.
Not who you replied to but I'm sure you don't blast music or other audio on transit when you need the break.
I don't. But I have to listen to others doing it.
I misread, I thought they said anyone listening while on transit not just anyone period. Makes more sense now.
Huh, I've gotten these attacks periodically over the years, generally associated with drinking beer. I've always chalked it up to a salivary gland reaction/malfunction, but the description is exactly what I experience, like someone is driving a spike through my jaw behind the hinge.
It's pretty occasional, so it's not like I stopped drinking beer or anything insane like that. But good to know.
This isn't associated with anything, unfortunately. I wish it was. It's mostly under control with medication, but flare-ups can happen any time, anywhere.
There are bone headphones. You don't need to insert them.
Let me know which bones which aren't affected by the trigeminal nerve being near them that I can put those headphones on.
I looked it up trying to be helpful. Supposedly, bone conductive can overstimulate the nerve clusters - resulting in an attack of sorts. Most likely because they press on and vibrate the temples.
That really blows. I'd rather lose a finger. Sorry to learn of it.
In the spirit of the request, I would suggest beanie headphones. Assuming it's cool enough out, and you can tolerate a beanie, they may fit the bill.
Thankfully it's not an issue these days, but I'd be willing to try it if it becomes one again. Thanks.
Oh. This fucker is also goes to teeth? Then no idea.
I almost never wear headphones in public. I prefer the situational awareness and being able to hear "This train is skipping union square" announcements.
I'm also a guy so I don't need the "don't talk to me" signal they provide.
I wear bone conduction headphones, so I get the best of both worlds, though background noise can get a little annoying.
Righteous anger is one of the main things keeping drag from pulling the trigger.
Can we have a special level for those who blast conspiracy theory videos? That was my last trip, and even with my headphones, I could still hear them droning on about some ignorant hot take divorced from any semblance of reality.
Let's not shoot them. I prefer public censure.
What if it's quiet piano music so my infant won't cry? (he is scared of buses)
I'll take piano music over a crying child any day of the week
Put headphones on the infant?
If it's just piano then it's basically Muzak. The bus itself may even be playing some imperceptibly which you can harmonize with.
I've tried headphones with babies before and it's hit or miss. One would howl instantly if you put them on him while another loved them.
Seems like you found the least intrusive way to keep your kid calm, which I think most people will appreciate.
I like to loudly say to my children: "Isn't it sad that some people can't afford headphones"
Just yesterday, I had to endure some mf with headphones loud enough to be heard by everyone around him on the bus
I mean, that's fucked up. I'm just glad it wasn't on full blast out of the device speaker, or heavens forbid, a Bluetooth speaker!
All of which are disgusting.
Seems reasonable.
We old people were raised well, dammit! We had wired earphones! Then Apple cocked up and tried to make expensive wireless earphones fashionable. And look where that lead us. That's right, kids not knowing what earphones even are. Fuck you technobros, you can't do anything right.
(Posted from my HMD Global Nokia 5.4, which does have a headphone jack, thank you very much) (Sorry if abrasive, mildly drunk)
This person should text-to-speech this tweet on public transport
This man is incapable of having a bad take.
Cities aren't neccesarily loud. Cars are loud. 90% of the background noise would dissappear without cars.
The lack of noise during covid confirms this...evenings were super quiet. It was amazing. Now if only we can shut the city's power off a night so we can see the starts again.
also, when there's a snowstorm, it gets so quiet... I love it. although I'm sure its because of the lack of cars on the road AND snow piling up that absorbs sound instead of bouncing it around everywhere
You might feel differently in the middle of winter.
Most of the things they named weren't caused by cars.
90% of the things they named weren't cars but in practice if you actually compare cities with tons of cars vs ones with few you'll find that removing cars removes 90% of the noise.
Though It may be that not being bombarded with car noise makes people quieter as well (like how being in a loud crowd makes you want to speak up as well).
If a city was too quiet I'd go from being annoyed at all the noise to being paranoid that I'll be the one being too loud.
And that's why people do less yelling when there aren't cars around. That's why removing cars makes the other stuff quieter.
I live in a quiet neighborhood and it's totally not an issue. Even when I lived in an apartment in a quiet neighborhood, it still was largely a non-issue. Quiet is good, and it encourages landlords and homeowners to install proper sound-proofing to preserve it.
I live in a quiet neighborhood and it’s an issue for me.
Until my neighbors dogs start barking and then I’m annoyed again.
I do not like proximity to humans.
A lot of the things they name aren't inherently city noises, either, though. I don't live near any concert venues or airports, so I don't hear noise from either of those sources. You could live in the middle of nowhere, but if you live above the local bar, it shouldn't come as a surprise that it's loud on Friday and Saturday nights. Dogs and birds aren't exactly uniquely urban phenomena, and the sound of peoples' shoes on the sidewalk being a major source of noise just strikes me as absurd.
Yeah I don't know where they're coming from if they're not used to birds. I just got an impromptu concert by the wren who lives in my azalea and it was lovely.
Cars are far louder than most of the things on the list, only gunshots, airplanes and construction can even remotely exceed the level of noise pollution produced by a busy roadway.
It also turns out that a lot of the construction is due to cars in one way or another:
If you remove the cars and build with density in mind, a lot of that goes away.
Some of the non car things have to be louder because of cars. People yell louder when they have hearing damage from cars. Sirens need to be louder.
Not all noise is the same. White noise is easy to ignore but hearing half a conversation will stress out almost anyone.
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/hearing-just-one-half-of-a-conversation-is-really-really-annoying-2657804/
That's just how the brain is. A lot of city noise doesn't register as important (and it isn't), but overhearing half a conversation or random snippets of YouTube is annoying on a pretty deep level.
I don't know how people even live there. Like do they view a flat, open the window, be greeted by a cacophony of engines and sirens and helicopters and go "OH MY GOD THIS IS AMAZING! SARAH COME OVER HERE AND LISTEN TO THIS! I CAN BARELY HEAR MYSELF THINK! I'LL GIVE YOU TWO THOUSAND POUNDS A MONTH FOR IT!"
Mostly because it's not like whatever nonsense you just imagined.
But you do get the ability to walk everywhere you need and incredible amounts of culture. Food, music, art, history, social gatherings.
Marchetti's constant People spent on average 1 hour traveling to and from work.
We close the window.
I don't know how anyone could live in the countryside, having to own a car and still having no infrastructure near you would be a hard no from me.
More merciful than I would be if I got to pick the punishment.
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The typical offender here is the well-to-do Canadian kid blasting gangsta rap in the back of the bus as though he's hard. He also has that early Justin Bieber accent down to a science. Hailing from the Detroit area myself and having spent nearly a decade in this province, I don't think this kid has ever met a gangsta in his life.
It feels like this is getting worse every year. If you're going to do this, at least get a quality boombox with good music like Radio Raheem.
Aight, someone explain their point of view please. What level of volume severity have you commenters experienced? Someone listening to something has never bothered me, but it also has never been loud enough I can't have a conversation with someone. Most restaurants play music louder than I hear from a stranger's speakers. I don't get what is rude about it. Even the Everett True comic below, several of you are that on edge about a person whistling or humming to themself?
I was on a 7-hr bus trip starting from 2:00 am until 9:00 am. A fucking cumsock sitting in front of me kept browsing Indian tiktok loud as shit for more than 30 mins and no one was saying anything. I tried to sleep and just let him be, but I couldn't because it was loud as shit. I then tried to play similar bullshit on my phone loud as shit next to him to tip him off to how awful it is if someone else did that but still nothing and he was giggling watching tiktok on max volume. I had to tap him on the shoulder, and ask him "Do you have a headphone dude? a headphone? or shut that thing off. Thank you." then he said ok, and that was the end of story.
Still I could not believe the level of obviously for a grown man to do this to everyone around. I thought he was mentally challenged at first but no, he was a grownup sober functional cumsock in his 30s. I still wish the bus driver just shot him twice and everyone pissed on him but that's not how it works in real life
Thank you for sharing; yeah, that would be really irritating. Maybe I'm just lucky I've never experienced the same intensity.
like on the bus or metro and someones watching an already very loud tiktok video right next to you at full volume, thats really unfun for most people
Ok, I do get that, but what about if it is below conversational volume? Does it still bother you the same?
i mean thats fine i guess??? if it's below cpnversational volume thats pretty much on mute for everyone except the watcher
I loved the film Do The Right Thing as a kid. It was one of my favorite Spike Lee joints.
Radio Raheem was an icon to me. The sound of hip hop in the street. It makes me sad how many people no longer want to interact with others in public.
I don't mind interacting with others in public, but I very much dislike inconsiderate people who decide to monopolize public spaces at the expense of others being able to enjoy them in their own way. I don't care about someone listening to the radio with their friends at a reasonable volume while they chill and talk. The reality is more often rival clusters of people with massive speakers, each turning their stuff higher because they can't hear their crappy music over the other people doing the same thing up and down the block. Me being unable to sleep at 4AM on a Wednesday because I can hear your terrible choice in Dembow and Rap that you choose to accompany your domino games and hookah sessions from my apartment on the seventh floor isn't us having an interaction, it's you being a nuisance.
I hear you. I agree with you, it's just hard for me to condemn the loud music and domino games because, from my perspective its people practicing their culture.
I understand that it's inconsiderate and a nuisance to most. I just have really good memories of that kind of culture at that volume. I'm bias.
Personally, I hate this line, because I only ever hear it trotted out to excuse bad behavior that people know they shouldn't. Saying that being a loud nuisance in public is people practicing their culture is just as absurd as saying Irish men getting drunk and beating their wives is practicing Irish culture. It might be a negative cultural stereotype some of them actually live up to, be it doesn't mean it should be tolerated.
Even if you want to accept that it's a valid argument, one's right to practice their culture ends where it limits the rights of others to do the same. People don't get carte blanche to make everyone else change their lives to accommodate a culture with no sense of appropriate volume or consideration for others.
Sure, I guess more social friction will solve the issue.
I'd say getting drunk could also be a cultural thing.
Beating your wife? I could not see as a cultural thing.
That's kind of exactly my point, though. I see claiming being loud and inconsiderate to others as people practicing their culture to be just as disingenuous an argument as saying wife-beating is a part of Irish culture that just has to be accepted. It's just brought out to defend bad behavior, often with the implication that if you continue to criticize said behavior, you're automatically in the wrong, having revealed yourself as bigoted against whatever group you're criticizing.
And yeah every September a portion of my country takes up a chunk of a lot of cities for a weekend to get drunk because Germany. Every March they do it because Ireland. Every June because gay. That adds to cultural vibrancy and in its absence communities can become unpleasantly sterile.
People should play their rap, but remember some of their neighbors are sleeping. Community festivals, and night gatherings are beautiful and wonderful expressions of culture. And also I swear to the gods some of us work really early in the morning.
I miss the vibrancy of places that had such things like my college dorms. But I don’t miss trying to sleep through it when people got too loud.
I think it would be fine if it was that one night a year that your local city has their local festival but it is different if every other event has a local copy all year around.
Considering half the time it's Taylor Swift or some shit, you must mean white culture.
I guess, I don't get the opportunity to ride the bus as often as I would like.
I can sympathize with both sides. On one hand it’s great to have a sense of community in public and it can really add to everyone’s life. But on the other hand having just had a migraine in public and regularly having conversations and thoughts in public I very much understand the desire not to.
I think it comes down to understanding the space you’re taking up with your sound. On public transit, people are stuck with you, so try to be minimally disruptive. On trails and such, we’re all here for nature, let some people enjoy its serenity. On the street, sure enjoy sharing your music but have a decent speaker for it.
On the street you can walk away if you're not into it. Being a captive audience makes it suck
It's incredibly rare that I've had positive interactions with random people. Sure there's a "thanks" for opening the door or whatever but I wouldn't count that. I mean prolonged engagement though even short conversations can turn on fight or flight. Especially at night, or at a liquor store gas station. "Hey brother..." "Yeah nope"
Have you ever heard of autism?
thats racist.
"Explain the logic underlying that conclusion, please."
-Monty Python's The Cheese Shop
I get what he means by its annoying, but really what the fuck is with that wording "you should be shot" when we know you're just talking about being annoyed?? It says so much about a kind of person when they're comfortable saying something this vile. Using extreme violence as a point of emphasis over an every day annoyance. Like holy fuck there's so little people who can say these kind of things publicly without extreme repercussions, it's so extremely privileged.
Yea, sometimes when I'm out in public, I like to listen to music on speakers. Sorry if it's a mild inconvenience you have to HEAR something as we pass by each other. God forbid, yall need to lighten up.
I get being aggravated about people blasting music on a bose speaker in a bus or train (I used public transit in L.A. for years). But just enjoying my day sitting somewhere or going on a walk I might put it on a speaker, eat my ass if that annoys you.
Why not use headphones/IEMs like a normal person? You'll get far superior sound quality without annoying others.
And people will be less likely to annoy you. It's a win-win.
I will not mourn when someone harms you for your anti social actions.
Literally eat my ass you coddled turd.
At least you acknowledge you're being a dickhead, but don't get so buttmad that it upsets people 😂
So I'm curious; why no headphones? When I listen to music from a speaker in open space, half of the sound is basically gone. My headphones are ~10x (not exaggerating) better than anything played at 'mild inconvenience' levels in public. I can also play it at an ear-safe volume because of ANC. Yes, they can start to hurt due to the arms on my glasses but that's after 5-7 hours in a day.