I get what you are doing here but I think you are misled. The police has a monopoly on violence to protect the state apparatus and the ruling class. Protecting normal citizens is a means to an end of that, it never was the goal. The US police originated in a force that brought back run away slaves. Are we talking about run away slaves? Is there private property at risk? Is the school shooter threatened any organ of the state? So why bother? TLDR ACAB
It was their duty to rush in there and have 4-5 of them get shot to stop it and they valued themselves over civilian lives. Idgaf what the supreme court says their duty is. Fuck 'em.
The why is beyond me. Trying to meet state hours in minimal days to save operating cost? Lunch pulls admin and other staff to monitor instead of doing their other routines, so they try to minimize it maybe?
15 to eat, kick them out to recess so they can clean tables for the next group.
Many don't bother to eat because the lunch line eats up their time, too.
They also yeah combine with recess time so some kids don't eat at all because they just want to energy release and play while others are just slower eaters, either way so unhealthy habit building.
Gotta get them ready for the work world where their employer will try to ignore their required (unpaid) lunch...
Where I am, parents have to pay extra to have their kids stay at school during lunch. Like we're paying a babysitter to watch them during that time. And then if we don't pay the kid isn't even allowed to stay on school grounds at lunch time.
Lunch supervision is an optional service that covers the direct cost of supervisors who set up lunchrooms, supervise students while eating lunch and on the playground, and then clean up following the lunch break. Lunch supervision costs about $1.55 per day.
Families are free to make alternative arrangements consistent with their individual circumstances, e.g., child goes home for lunch.
Lunch supervision is an annual fee that is broken down into monthly installments for ease of payment. Refunds will not be provided for occasional disruption of service due to vacation.
In my country lunch is completely different. We also only have 15 minutes to eat, but we just eat in the classroom with the teacher of the previous hour. So you have to bring your own lunch, in my school you can even buy any food. But at least I am allowed to go into the city during lunch.
The NYPD is also not in constant famine, they’re one of the richest cities on the planet.
Because they're an international trading hub at the central of a global empire.
North Korea is a bombed out backwater with more economic sanctions on it than Cuba, whose people spent the last 70 years gradually rebuilding after the US literally bombed them back to the stone age.
Even then, NYers are getting shot over proximity to fare evasion. Korea's rough, but I've yet to hear of anyone executed for failing to pay for a bus ticket.
Also, bombed out? They were a larger economy than sk at first, Kim IL sung did an OK job.
But the problem with a hereditary monarchy is the fastest sperm is often the dumbest, as evidenced by his 2 moron heirs.
But no, his hereditary dystopian dictatorship where people are reduced to eating grass and anyone who disagrees ends up in camps is still better than NYC, where we know about incidents like this which everyone agreed was horrific because we have freedom of speech.
But please, go to North Korea right now and start talking shit about Lil Un, I'm curious how that will go.
They were a larger economy after decades of domestic rebuilding, while SK was left to languish under a brutal right-wing military dictator. Then the US transitioned the SK economy into a tech manufacturing hub and granted a handful of influential families access to the limitless low-interst credit window of the Federal Reserve. The South became a workhouse for the American retail electronics market, where Korean workers got paid pennies to work long hours in dark warehouses to make low-cost bobbles for their western peers. This allowed these six influential families to go on a construction bonanza using the leverage afforded from foreign export revenues. Cheap steel from China combined with the fossil fuels imported from Russia and the Middle East, allowed the SK economy to soar past its heavily sanctioned NK peer... on paper.
South Korea's prosperity is entirely predicated on its continued access to cheap credit and cheap foreign commodities imports. North Korea's stalled growth is a consequence of its embargo, the continued need to deter a large military presence on its southern border, and its need to build and maintain an economy entirely within one half of a small peninsula.
But please, go to North Korea right now and start talking shit about Lil Un
Please go to your local police department and start screaming obscenities at whomever is on duty.
Shit schools make poverty trapped children, and poverty tapped children are more willing to not care about the legality of trying to survive or gain reputation with their friends/city. And the police love locking away people.
It's a win/win. You lower the cash to schools, increase the cash to police, police catch more "Criminals", and the politicians who sold this can tout the tough on crime to the next election cycle.
Until the criminals learn to bribe police more than what politicians give them, and start buying more and more cops, and puff you are in a dictatorship ran by thugs
Back in my old time, cafeteria food was also shit, so everybody was bringing their lunch (a sandwich, some fruits, a little boxed juice) and we called a day.
Is that piece of bread and rice (rice right?) and the piece of brown chicken we are seeing in the corner (badly cut out of the picture for more dramatic effect) free of charge? If so, what are you complaining about? If not, why don't you bring your god damn sandwich like it has always been?
The food is trash because its supplied by a competitive process that try’s to minimise cost.
Cafeteria competes with other prospective suppliers of cafeterias, but the children have no agency in who supplies that cafeteria. Only the local authority or whoever runs the school gets to choose.
Minimizing cost doesn't work in a competitive environment because everyone will go to the competition that makes better stuff. The children have no agency to pick a different cafeteria.
You're smoking the bad stuff dude. Quit picking sides and start looking at the mechanisms.
then why are companies in all industries reducing cost?
It's to maximise profit, which is the goal of every company, also the consumer of a product is not necesarily the one who pays for it, there are enough catering services that provide high quality food, but the reason the cheapest is chosen is, because in the example of school lunches both, the service provider and customer are trying to minimise cost, the company in order to increase profits and the school/city because they're underfunded
You think you're gonna make a lot of money producing garbage? Who's going to buy it? Maybe communist schools where the people in charge don't have to eat it.
You think you're gonna make a lot of money producing garbage? Who's going to buy it?
As always, the people either given no other choice or no other choice that they can afford. In other words, tens of millions of people.
Maybe communist schools where the people in charge don't have to eat it.
You DO know that school lunches are for the children only, right? And that the ones selecting suppliers aren't actually children? Please tell me that you're able to comprehend that through the fog of neo-McCarthyist delirium..
Yes. You don't choose which school you go to. That's decided by where you live. There is no competition, and you're not paying to go. Funding comes from government and decisions are made by centralized authority. Communism. Everything about it is communism.
Who TF do you think you're fooling? You already know you're wrong and just pushing some bullshit. This isn't a matter of style, but means of funding. Wtf do you even want? Dig your heels in and stack your fallacies as high as the moon and at the end of the day that's all you have.
American school lunches are the perfect metaphor for laissez faire capitalism, actually:
they used to be much better, but due to a combination of deregulation and maximizing for profits over quality of living for the general population, they've gradually declined to the point that it's only due to the heroic efforts of severely overworked and underpaid workers that they're even edible and nonpoisonous.
Oh yes I forgot bidding out contracts to multiple suppliers that are private companies is ... Communism?
It's literally a failing of capitalism (cheapest bidder usually wins the contract) that the lunches aren't better. Be mad about it if you want to, we all should be, there are absolutely problems with school lunches in many districts.
Now you could talk about how there isn't a lot of competition and there are monopolies like Sysco in the food service industry, but still the suppliers for school lunches are privately owned companies in the USA.
Dude ... Yeah the customer is the school and the decision is to go with a lower bidder, usually. It depends on the factors the customer, in this case a school system, wants to prioritize and any rules and regulations around it.
You're just playing at semantics at this point.
Like it or not this is a private market we're talking about. Also, I'd challenge the notion that private schools automatically have better cafeterias than public ones. It very much depends on school funding and what they can budget for.
Most educators would prefer better school lunches but the money has to come from somewhere and the way we find schools in the USA by using mostly property taxes, in most states, really causes a lot of inequality. So there is a give and take, like everything else.
At the end of the day a lot of the guidelines boil down to x calories consisting of something that has XYZ nutrients (vitamins/minerals). Whether that's a slice of nutra-loaf or an actual meal is up to who is implementing the guidelines and the money they have.
"The school" is still the customer. They are staffing the cafeteria and paying it with their money. If they don't achieve expectations they are fired or their contract isn't renewed and "the school" pays someone else to do the job.
The food is trash because the budget was cut down to the bone ("muh taxes") and the cafeteria workers have to bulk purchase out a bunch of prepackaged ingredients made by companies that lobbied the government to reclassify tomatoes as vegetables so they can squeeze out a little more profit. You're right about one thing though; there's no competition. The game was rigged by corporations from the start.
GOOD! If those Cops DIDNT have all that Gear then they would just WAIT OUTSIDE if there was ever a School Shooter MURDERING all the Children inside!
I get what you are doing here but I think you are misled. The police has a monopoly on violence to protect the state apparatus and the ruling class. Protecting normal citizens is a means to an end of that, it never was the goal. The US police originated in a force that brought back run away slaves. Are we talking about run away slaves? Is there private property at risk? Is the school shooter threatened any organ of the state? So why bother? TLDR ACAB
Is this sarcasm?
Uvalde.
There were enough cops there to make two companies of troops.
More than enough to restrain all the parents who tried to break in and end the killing
It was their duty to rush in there and have 4-5 of them get shot to stop it and they valued themselves over civilian lives. Idgaf what the supreme court says their duty is. Fuck 'em.
Bruh
And you have 15 minutes to inhale your food before you're kicked out of the cafeteria. Keep up that productivity.
School district here even got rid of passing time to lunch. Your time begins the second class ends
So I'm new to this and couldn't figure out why kids don't finish their lunch. Why are they given like 15 minutes to eat? It's unhealthy.
The why is beyond me. Trying to meet state hours in minimal days to save operating cost? Lunch pulls admin and other staff to monitor instead of doing their other routines, so they try to minimize it maybe?
15 to eat, kick them out to recess so they can clean tables for the next group.
Many don't bother to eat because the lunch line eats up their time, too.
They also yeah combine with recess time so some kids don't eat at all because they just want to energy release and play while others are just slower eaters, either way so unhealthy habit building.
Gotta get them ready for the work world where their employer will try to ignore their required (unpaid) lunch...
Well PDX teachers sure showing the kids how to properly unionize and strike if employers aren't meeting half way. So cheers to that
Where I am, parents have to pay extra to have their kids stay at school during lunch. Like we're paying a babysitter to watch them during that time. And then if we don't pay the kid isn't even allowed to stay on school grounds at lunch time.
Where is this hell?
Alberta, Canada.
Is this Spain? Random guess.
I hope it at least means they get more than 30 minutes
It's in Alberta, Canada. Lunch hour is mostly an hour but 45 minutes in high school.
In my country lunch is completely different. We also only have 15 minutes to eat, but we just eat in the classroom with the teacher of the previous hour. So you have to bring your own lunch, in my school you can even buy any food. But at least I am allowed to go into the city during lunch.
I doubt 15 minutes are enough to go into the city and eat there.
...and if they're shot in the line of duty, that's just their jobs as school students.
How else will Jesus know we love him if we don't have, routine, mass sacrifices, of our children?
Are you guys feeding catfood to kids now?
Its what the cat wouldn't eat.
Does food made from cats count?
you don't like cops, because they take a lot of resources for mostly nothing
I hate cops because I'm an anarchist and think the state shouldn't have a monopoly on violence
we're not the same
Por que no los dos?
what?
Do they speak English in what?
I only speak english and german, no spanish
El Problema es Monolinquiso. O alemanes . Supongo :T
I don’t like cops because I think they are gigantic pussies
I mean, this isn't specific to capitalism. Pretty sure north Korea is similar.
This is just baseline authoritarianism.
The NYPD has a bigger budget than the DPRK. And New York hasn't been under siege by Pennsylvania for the last 80 years.
The NYPD is also not in constant famine, they're one of the richest cities on the planet.
That's like being surprised rent is more expensive in midtown Manhattan than in rural Texas.
Because they're an international trading hub at the central of a global empire.
North Korea is a bombed out backwater with more economic sanctions on it than Cuba, whose people spent the last 70 years gradually rebuilding after the US literally bombed them back to the stone age.
Even then, NYers are getting shot over proximity to fare evasion. Korea's rough, but I've yet to hear of anyone executed for failing to pay for a bus ticket.
I'm not the one who made the comparison.
Also, bombed out? They were a larger economy than sk at first, Kim IL sung did an OK job.
But the problem with a hereditary monarchy is the fastest sperm is often the dumbest, as evidenced by his 2 moron heirs.
But no, his hereditary dystopian dictatorship where people are reduced to eating grass and anyone who disagrees ends up in camps is still better than NYC, where we know about incidents like this which everyone agreed was horrific because we have freedom of speech.
But please, go to North Korea right now and start talking shit about Lil Un, I'm curious how that will go.
They were a larger economy after decades of domestic rebuilding, while SK was left to languish under a brutal right-wing military dictator. Then the US transitioned the SK economy into a tech manufacturing hub and granted a handful of influential families access to the limitless low-interst credit window of the Federal Reserve. The South became a workhouse for the American retail electronics market, where Korean workers got paid pennies to work long hours in dark warehouses to make low-cost bobbles for their western peers. This allowed these six influential families to go on a construction bonanza using the leverage afforded from foreign export revenues. Cheap steel from China combined with the fossil fuels imported from Russia and the Middle East, allowed the SK economy to soar past its heavily sanctioned NK peer... on paper.
But the real legacy of the Korean economy for its people enormous entrenched personal debts. The South Korean economy is a product of cheap foreign lending. Household indebtedness to gross disposable income ratio in South Korea from 2012 to 2022 has grown from 152% to 203%.
South Korea's prosperity is entirely predicated on its continued access to cheap credit and cheap foreign commodities imports. North Korea's stalled growth is a consequence of its embargo, the continued need to deter a large military presence on its southern border, and its need to build and maintain an economy entirely within one half of a small peninsula.
Please go to your local police department and start screaming obscenities at whomever is on duty.
Pennsylvania, fix that
edit: scratch that, Jersey should join in
I saw a meme that called Plainclothes Officers "Secret Police" and it made me realize how much we're all brainwashed.
Shit schools make poverty trapped children, and poverty tapped children are more willing to not care about the legality of trying to survive or gain reputation with their friends/city. And the police love locking away people.
It's a win/win. You lower the cash to schools, increase the cash to police, police catch more "Criminals", and the politicians who sold this can tout the tough on crime to the next election cycle.
Until the criminals learn to bribe police more than what politicians give them, and start buying more and more cops, and puff you are in a dictatorship ran by thugs
Wait, sorry nothing changes
And the low quality food means there is a bigger pool of low IQ aggressive high school graduates who want to join the police force.
Can't lie tho. My lunches looked like this maybe not as bad but I loved em. The lunch lady was nice too and would give me extra sometimes
That's the saddest thing I've ever heard
Oliver Twist energy. I wonder if he ever had to pay off school lunch debt to graduate.
Nah I paid it off in freshman year then our state started doing free lunches
Everything goes to the lowest bidder. I'm certain the samples looked a lot better.
Do they look like that though?
My school lunch was pretty good. Plus I got free lunches at that. Thanks Ma, for being poor.
City officials be like: Bring BACK THE BLUE food tray.
I think you misspelled fascist.
I had better food even during the fall of USSR
Or is it the other way around?
You mean without the strong police, there would be an upcoming rebellion by the schoolkids?
I mean that police will be deployed to any demonstrations trying to improve the school lunches. Or any other standard of living.
We wouldn't be the most powerful nation on earth of it were any other way.
Maybe being the most powerful is overrated
I don't understand here.
Back in my old time, cafeteria food was also shit, so everybody was bringing their lunch (a sandwich, some fruits, a little boxed juice) and we called a day.
Is that piece of bread and rice (rice right?) and the piece of brown chicken we are seeing in the corner (badly cut out of the picture for more dramatic effect) free of charge? If so, what are you complaining about? If not, why don't you bring your god damn sandwich like it has always been?
I believe their argument was something along the lines of: 1. Over-funded police. 2. Underfunded child care.
Your argument seems to be, and correct me if I'm wrong: It's always been shit, and you [sic] can bring your own lunch.
I was thinking that seemed pretty decent as far as school food goes. Still, the point still stands.
Tbh, the way schools run is more akin to communism than capitalism. That food is trash because the school cafeteria isn't competing with anyone else.
The food is trash because its supplied by a competitive process that try’s to minimise cost.
Cafeteria competes with other prospective suppliers of cafeterias, but the children have no agency in who supplies that cafeteria. Only the local authority or whoever runs the school gets to choose.
Minimizing cost doesn't work in a competitive environment because everyone will go to the competition that makes better stuff. The children have no agency to pick a different cafeteria.
You're smoking the bad stuff dude. Quit picking sides and start looking at the mechanisms.
then why are companies in all industries reducing cost?
It's to maximise profit, which is the goal of every company, also the consumer of a product is not necesarily the one who pays for it, there are enough catering services that provide high quality food, but the reason the cheapest is chosen is, because in the example of school lunches both, the service provider and customer are trying to minimise cost, the company in order to increase profits and the school/city because they're underfunded
You think you're gonna make a lot of money producing garbage? Who's going to buy it? Maybe communist schools where the people in charge don't have to eat it.
no, actually underfunded capitalist schools, that are lead like a company and not like an educational institution
remember, the less money the city has to spend on school lunches the more they can overfund their police
You're mislabeling. Public schools are government funded and centrally administrated. That's communism, boi.
The private schools in the other hand, are doing very well. It's just a shame that not everyone can afford them.
Police are definitely over funded. I'm not arguing about that. It's just that literally nothing our government does is actually capitalism.
Nope, that's one of the most basic functions of any form of government.
Not anarcho-capitalism ≠ communism.
YOU are the one mislabeling, to the point of absurdity.
As always, the people either given no other choice or no other choice that they can afford. In other words, tens of millions of people.
You DO know that school lunches are for the children only, right? And that the ones selecting suppliers aren't actually children? Please tell me that you're able to comprehend that through the fog of neo-McCarthyist delirium..
Did you get what I said backwards?
Nope, you're the one getting it backwards, thinking that a classic symptom of under-regulated capitalism is in fact communism.
You think you can do better?
Not only can I do better, but I literally have done better with the men's shelter on Gest St in Cincinnati.
Edit: This isn't relevant anyhow. We're talking about economic systems.
Schools in America are.. Checks notes.. communist?
Yes. You don't choose which school you go to. That's decided by where you live. There is no competition, and you're not paying to go. Funding comes from government and decisions are made by centralized authority. Communism. Everything about it is communism.
Show me you have no idea what communism nor public schools are in a paragraph! Mission failed successfully!
Who TF do you think you're fooling? You already know you're wrong and just pushing some bullshit. This isn't a matter of style, but means of funding. Wtf do you even want? Dig your heels in and stack your fallacies as high as the moon and at the end of the day that's all you have.
Show me you are a disrespectful fool in a paragraph! Mission failed successfully!
American school lunches are the perfect metaphor for laissez faire capitalism, actually:
they used to be much better, but due to a combination of deregulation and maximizing for profits over quality of living for the general population, they've gradually declined to the point that it's only due to the heroic efforts of severely overworked and underpaid workers that they're even edible and nonpoisonous.
What does that mean?
You're going to have to be 100% more specific.
Laissez faire capitalism.
Oh yes I forgot bidding out contracts to multiple suppliers that are private companies is ... Communism?
It's literally a failing of capitalism (cheapest bidder usually wins the contract) that the lunches aren't better. Be mad about it if you want to, we all should be, there are absolutely problems with school lunches in many districts.
Now you could talk about how there isn't a lot of competition and there are monopolies like Sysco in the food service industry, but still the suppliers for school lunches are privately owned companies in the USA.
When the bidding process is "whoever goes lower", there's no customer decision making. That's not capitalism. That's a simple rule.
Dude ... Yeah the customer is the school and the decision is to go with a lower bidder, usually. It depends on the factors the customer, in this case a school system, wants to prioritize and any rules and regulations around it.
You're just playing at semantics at this point.
Like it or not this is a private market we're talking about. Also, I'd challenge the notion that private schools automatically have better cafeterias than public ones. It very much depends on school funding and what they can budget for.
Most educators would prefer better school lunches but the money has to come from somewhere and the way we find schools in the USA by using mostly property taxes, in most states, really causes a lot of inequality. So there is a give and take, like everything else.
At the end of the day a lot of the guidelines boil down to x calories consisting of something that has XYZ nutrients (vitamins/minerals). Whether that's a slice of nutra-loaf or an actual meal is up to who is implementing the guidelines and the money they have.
"the school" isn't eating the food.
Alright well now you're just trolling or maybe you were all along. Or you're honestly that dumb.
"The school" is still the customer. They are staffing the cafeteria and paying it with their money. If they don't achieve expectations they are fired or their contract isn't renewed and "the school" pays someone else to do the job.
Like it or not. This is still capitalism.
"The school" is deciding for the children. Authority choosing for me is communism.
The food is trash because the budget was cut down to the bone ("muh taxes") and the cafeteria workers have to bulk purchase out a bunch of prepackaged ingredients made by companies that lobbied the government to reclassify tomatoes as vegetables so they can squeeze out a little more profit. You're right about one thing though; there's no competition. The game was rigged by corporations from the start.
Real competition is the core of capitalism. There needs to be direct customer choice, and prices that aren't just fixed.